Look what I got for easter!

I'm pretty sure I will clean up spec class with this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUh5YTcQIgg your sick go run that with your boat.

:devil::devil:I guess it doesnt matter to me i would be fine with it just the way it is and let everything work itself out but i guess thats out of the question. Theres nothing going to be done for this season so i guess i have one race to get some use out of the mamba:devil: I guess we will see how many complian about it! This should be interesting weekend one you dont want to miss....lol:woohoo:

jayme with a mamba pro and 17.5 it will be like running a 13.5,so if you run the mamba you have the same advantage as the 13.5 4cell cars.see me at mt pkeasent and we will set the mamba up right

That is what iam thinking its going to be close but the battery i think is going to be the big factor if i just run the SMC 4000mah 25c it should be vary close but if i run a Thunder Power 40c i think it will be a bit too fast and the crying will start so iam going to try and make the SMC 25c work and try not to go with a bigger batt it will make things alittle more equal. And yeah ill stop over and get a "SSMS" Super Secret Mamba Set-Up from you! With the right settings on the mamba iam sure we can make the SMC 25c work.

That is what iam thinking its going to be close but the battery i think is going to be the big factor if i just run the SMC 4000mah 25c it should be vary close but if i run a Thunder Power 40c i think it will be a bit too fast and the crying will start so iam going to try and make the SMC 25c work and try not to go with a bigger batt it will make things alittle more equal. And yeah ill stop over and get a "SSMS" Super Secret Mamba Set-Up from you! With the right settings on the mamba iam sure we can make the SMC 25c work.


Close! You think it will be close! This will be good!:)

I supose you think that everyone else running the other stuff will be good with that? I wish I could make it to see this race.

I think If you want to go faster you need to step up to the SST or 10.5 classes. The spec class needs to stay an entry level/slower class.:wave:

Some one needs to take the spoon away from Jayme and give it back to Keith!

I just dont see the reason for a limited ESC?? The Mamba's are $125 new and a new GTB is $140 so if you are going to buy a new esc why would you pay more for a outdated model???? If an extra $15 or so for a LEGAL ESC will break someones budget - Race a Legends car. Furthermore, the Havoc ESC alone is only $120 from Tower. That's cheaper than a Mamba! The GTB will soon be gone away with now that the Novaks Kinetic esc is comming out. Then we will be back to this again in one to two years.Not as long as the Havoc's are available... and they are.[/quote]

I just dont get how its speedo of the month you buy a mamba or a tekin and you just update it as they come out. Everyone is the same speed and the speeds will increase yes but not as much as jumping classes i just want to run a second class but dont know if i can handle the speeds of 10.5 but dont want to buy a outdated esc to run a slower class. Just my 2cents Running a second class is fine. Increasing the speed of an entry level class is wrong.

Well we will have to wait and see if the Mambas and Tekins are going to be that much faster if they are they will most defentally be banned from the class but if they are close then what do we do? Let it go or do we make a dramatic rule change and limit everything? If the rules were like SST i could deal with that and run a tekin with 200v or less and be happy because i get to run the newer esc's. If we limit the class everything needs to be limited motors,batt,esc,tires,bodys,weight everything.I think the rules should be like SST. The problem is getting everyone in the Spec class on the same page. That is what we need to work on over the next few months.

the only difference between sst and spec should be the motor and the bodies everything else should be the same. its taken 203 in the tekin to catch up to the mamba which you can't run run in the sst or spec so right there tells me it's faster and shouldn't be allowed in either class. If we new that the MMP was going to force Tekin [and Novak] to update or be left in the dust, we would not have allowed the Tekin's in SST. Fortunately, we have not had many "v203" issues in SST.
yes the mamba is cheaper but as kevin has pointed out the havoc is a good price and it comes with the motor. The Havoc ESC alone is only $120! alot of the spec racers have a brushless setup so they don't need to buy a new speedo. they would only need a motor and battery and if we talk to the local parts suppliers they might work out a deal if you bought both from them in a package. just a idea i haven't talk to any of our suppliers to see if they could cut a deal.:thumbsup:

Close! You think it will be close! This will be good!:)

I supose you think that everyone else running the other stuff will be good with that? I wish I could make it to see this race.

I think If you want to go faster you need to step up to the SST or 10.5 classes. The spec class needs to stay an entry level/slower class.:wave:AGREED! This is a beginner's class or a class for someone that wants to run a second class slower than SST. Making it as fast or nearly as fast as SST will be detrimental to the class. In my opinion.

[quote=Duke Bradshaw;3294068]Some one needs to take the spoon away from Jayme and give it back to Keith!Keith is going to be upset when he goes to work tommorow and finds that he has ALOT more reading to catch up on!

This is all good input guys!

IF it's true that all of the guys in the Spec class A main are running 13.5/4 cell... I have found their names:

Spec Pan A Main drivers at the March MP race.
Tim Briggs
Rick Radabaugh
Brad Sherman
Bob Stone
Steven Walton
Terry Walch

Spec Pan B Main drivers at the March MP race.
Russ Champine
Robert Devantier
Mark Siebert
Rusty Gillette
Ken Hamilton
Kyle Gough

-- Spec Pan Car - Combined Mains --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 1 58 4:02.86 Tim Briggs 32 20.84
2 2 56 4:03.93 Rick Radabaugh 63 20.04
3 2 55 4:01.92 Russ Champine 15 19.84
4 5 54 4:02.01 Brad Sherman 57 19.47
5 3 54 4:02.34 Robert Devantier 54 19.45
6 4 54 4:02.35 Bob Stone 46 19.45
7 6 54 4:04.12 Steven Walton 25 19.30
8 1 53 4:01.25 Mark Siebert 11 19.17
9 4 52 4:01.02 Rusty Gillette 28 18.83
10 5 49 4:02.90 Ken Hamilton 19 17.61
11 3 39 4:03.23 Terry Walch 34 13.99
-- 6 --- DNS --- Kyle Gough 65


So, based on this information... who's running what combo?

Close! You think it will be close! This will be good!:)

I supose you think that everyone else running the other stuff will be good with that? I wish I could make it to see this race.

I think If you want to go faster you need to step up to the SST or 10.5 classes. The spec class needs to stay an entry level/slower class.:wave:

well put Duke :wave:

I do run SST and love the class but i would like to run a second class that is alittle slower then 10.5 and the only thing we have left is Spec so i guess thats what i have to run. And iam not increasing the speed of the spec class iam just trying to keep up with the 13.5/4cell guys, if the rules are gray and iam not doing anything wrong according to the rules posted on the first page of this thread (Spec pancars will run under the same rules that they have for years. Spec motor, spec battery, spec tires. BUT, we will run them with 17.5/1cell cars with spec tires.) why is there any problem what so ever?? I havnt even raced agianst a 13.5/4cell car yet so we have no idea what the times with a mamba or tekin in a spec will be. It could bring both combos within a single tenth, and that would make for some great racing.

Boy it was a great day today. Sunshine all day!

My spoon is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spec Pan B Main drivers at the March MP race.
Robert Devantier

-- Spec Pan Car - Combined Mains --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
5 3 54 4:02.34 Robert Devantier 54 19.45

So, based on this information... who's running what combo?

I was using Kaylee's car. This was a 17.5/1S (4900mah 50C SMC) using a Tekin RS with v200.

Dont worry Racknor i kept it stirring in your absence!!

13.5/4cell
Tim
Ric
Brad
Terry

17.5/1s
Steven
Bob
Russ

Jayme, The Spec rules that you copied from the first post of this thread were written before the MMP and Tekin v203 were available.
So your defense is a little weak on that point.

That being said, I submit the following;
It's possible that Jayme's 17.5/1 cell Mamba combo could bring it up to speed with the 13.5/4cell guys. It's also possible that it could be faster than them. It's also possible that the rest of the 17.5/1 cell guys will get upset because of having to run against a MMP AND the 13.5/4cell guys. Possibly forcing them to buy a Mamba before next season when the equipment they have right now is satisfactory should the 13.5 bonded rotor motor become extinct or illegal.
As far as I know at this time, Jayme is the only one that wants to run a MMP.
For testing purposes, maybe it could be allowed at least for this last race.
But, if it appears as though you will interfere with the points series, you probably will be DQ'd.

I think the best thing to do is to see what the other Spec drivers would like to do based on a majority rule. This can be handled very easily on Saturday morning.

We will see.:)

Jayme, The Spec rules that you copied from the first post of this thread were written before the MMP and Tekin v203 were available.
So your defense is a little weak on that point.

If you made the rules for SST why couldnt that have been added to Spec?? I know it was not thought off then but just saying its not my fault that the rules are gray and that is part of racing. You try too find gray areas and then bend the rules untill it is added to the rules which will proly be next season but we have never made rule changes mid season so why would we now?

13.5/4cell
Tim
Ric
Brad
Terry

17.5/1s
Steven
Bob
Russ

This is interesting sorta.

Steven, RobD and Bob [17.5 cars] ran as many laps as Brad [13.5 car]... 54 laps.
Russ ran 55 laps [17.5 car] only a lap behind Rick [13.5 car] Rick races more than Russ so that could easily translate into a lap or so.

However, it appears as though Tim had everyone covered by 2 laps in the main.

:thumbsup:Jayme, The Spec rules that you copied from the first post of this thread were written before the MMP and Tekin v203 were available.
So your defense is a little weak on that point.

That being said, I submit the following;
It's possible that Jayme's 17.5/1 cell Mamba combo could bring it up to speed with the 13.5/4cell guys. It's also possible that it could be faster than them. It's also possible that the rest of the 17.5/1 cell guys will get upset because of having to run against a MMP AND the 13.5/4cell guys. Possibly forcing them to buy a Mamba before next season when the equipment they have right now is satisfactory should the 13.5 bonded rotor motor become extinct or illegal.
As far as I know at this time, Jayme is the only one that wants to run a MMP.
For testing purposes, maybe it could be allowed at least for this last race.
But, if it appears as though you will interfere with the points series, you probably will be DQ'd.

I think the best thing to do is to see what the other Spec drivers would like to do based on a majority rule. This can be handled very easily on Saturday morning.

We will see.:)i was under the assumption that this was something to look at for next yr. it's to late in the season to change it for this yr. leave it the way it is for now so nobody has to run out and buy something they might not be able to run in the class next yr.

Scott go back and look at a few other race results Tim, Ric and Terry all 13.5/4cell cars always run up front and take the A by at least 2 laps or more against any 17.5/1s car. Granted all three are great drivers and i would never take anything away from them but you cant say that its just driving and setup there is an obvious advantage racing 13.5/4cell

If you made the rules for SST why couldnt that have been added to Spec?? We decided to leave spec alone for the season. Very few guys ran 17.5/1cell last year and it was not known how it would compare to the other Spec combos. I know it was not thought off then but just saying its not my fault that the rules are gray and that is part of racing. You are not wrong for exploring gray areas. It happens in ALL motorsports. You try too find gray areas and then bend the rules untill it is added to the rules which will proly be next season but we have never made rule changes mid season so why would we now? We are not changing rules now. You got one over on us. There is only one race left this season and it's a week away. I don't have a problem with you "testing" your MMP. I doubt that it'll be embraced from the other 17.5 drivers though.


Al, you are correct. This is really about next year.
This discussion is not as much about this weeks race as it is "what can we do to bring some parity to the Spec class".:thumbsup:
I'd rather focus on what the Spec drivers want to do to level the playing field and IF they want to level the playing field.
Another point that was mentioned when we talked about the Spec class before the beginning of the season was to keep it simple. So a beginner didn't have to have a LiPo charger, LiPo battery and a brushless system to go racing. Don't forget, I'm all about having one battery and one motor in a class. But asking a newbie to learn all about charging LiPo's and programming a ESC that they need a computer for could deter them.:)

Scott go back and look at a few other race results Tim, Ric and Terry all 13.5/4cell cars always run up front and take the A by at least 2 laps or more against any 17.5/1s car. Granted all three are great drivers and i would never take anything away from them but you cant say that its just driving and setup there is an obvious advantage racing 13.5/4cell


I'm not disagreeing that 13.5 is faster that 17.5. It seems to be the case.

We need to have a concensus on what [if anything] to do about it.
We need input from more of the guys running this class. Your input is important as is the rest of them.

Well put scott on the newbie not want to get into lipos and advanced timing esc's i felt the same way untill i bought it all and its great!!! Bob Stone will you have a Mamba in your Spec Pan you were talking to me about it after that great spec race in G.R. It would be great to have two Mamba cars out there to get alittle more testing into one weekend.

Racknor you need to bring that spoon with you to MP I think Jayme has earned it

Your input is important as is the rest of them.

Now Scott why would you lie to people like that it really doesnt matter what they want it only matters who pays you the most over the summer to get the rules they want.....Just kidding thought i would share that with everyone...LOL!!!

Now Scott why would you lie to people like that it really doesnt matter what they want it only matters who pays you the most over the summer to get the rules they want.....Just kidding thought i would share that with everyone...LOL!!!

Now we are talkin'!!!:thumbsup:

..........As far as I know at this time, Jayme is the only one that wants to run a MMP.

For testing purposes, maybe it could be allowed at least for this last race. I think this would be a great idea. How else are you going to determine anything unless you test it.


But, if it appears as though you will interfere with the points series, you probably will be DQ'd.

I think the best thing to do is to see what the other Spec drivers would like to do based on a majority rule. This can be handled very easily on Saturday morning.

We will see.:)


C'ya Saturday. I'll be running my new V2 1s mamba.:wave: :thumbsup:

Racknor you need to bring that spoon with you to MP I think Jayme has earned it

I dont think i have earned that big of a trophy i would take a little one tho. I have learned from the best thanks for all the teachings old wise one (AKA Racknor)

Racknor you need to bring that spoon with you to MP I think Jayme has earned it


I'm lovin' every minute of it!:)

I survived the SST debates!:thumbsup:

Racknor loves his spoon. This is all his fault! I owe him a soda and a hug. Well, maybe I'll just buy him a hot dog instead.

This thread hasn't seen this much activity in MONTHS!!!

Hi everybody!!

OvalTrucker, jrsheets+, riley3393, Roadsplat+, toytech, RobD+

Well its off to bed for me dont say anything to good untill iam back on tomorrow. I dont want to miss anything. Spoonman Jr. Out.........LOL thats for you scott one more thing to laugh about before bed.

FYI - Any of the top 4 in points in Spec class could win the class, and 5th place can't catch whoever ends up 4th. So the only way any experimenting could mess things up is if it takes points away from one of the top 4 (Rick, Brad, Terry & Tim).

open speedo in any spec class=demise of said spec class.

ALL:
Looking forward to running the what's now the 10.5 class this year is leaning toward a 13.5 for next season... great idea Keith.... glad you are back from vac by the way.

The 10.5 guys are all on the same page with this...right?
Would like to here from this group on this topic please.

ALL:
Looking forward to running the what's now the 10.5 class this year is leaning toward a 13.5 for next season... great idea Keith.... glad you are back from vac by the way.

The 10.5 guys are all on the same page with this...right?
Would like to here from this group on this topic please.

Are you just changing the motor?
Still running Open Speedo?

ALL:

The 10.5 guys are all on the same page with this...right?

No. There has been some talk of this and I am not in favor of it. I am not against a 13.5 class, but I want to continue running 10.5.

I do want to run 2 classes at MP though. I will say that at BC, 10.5 is becoming a derby. We could just do like the Indiana boys and make a 13.5 class that is the same rules as 10.5 and each racer just enters whatever he or she chooses. When I go to BC, I would prefer to enter 13.5. When I go to MP I would like 10.5 and 13.5. When I go to GR, I want 10.5.

I know this dilutes the classes (it makes 4). but i really don't think it is gonna take away from anything. The 13.5 would pretty much be what COT is, but with the 10.5 body rules. You could then just change the motor to go back and forth between the 2 classes. It would be a step up from SST.

Somebody help!

We need a bigger pot to stir!!!
Too many spoons!!

Dave has used the BOLD feature in his advanced posting window. I think he means it!!:)

WELL HERE GOES, I didn't read all of the last two pages. But I have probably raced spec class more than ANYONE else. Duke beat me almost every time
with 17.5 1cell lipo, Al won plenty of times with 17.5 1cell lipo. MY 13.5
bonded rotor 1600 spec pack is alittle faster starting out but at the end I
think its a little slower . Jamie if your 17.5 with a reg ESC is slower, then
you need to work on your car,not have an ADVANTAGE WITH MAMBA or
TEKIN WITH 203, like your SST. MY 17.5 lipo is within a LAP of my 13.5
bonded 4 cell SPEC . I SURE HOPE I RUFFLE A FEW FEATHERS, not let me
tell you how i really FEEL.

I am sure glad I don't make the rules. I just race. Saturday is gonna be FUN.

I just hope that the rules next year are similar to this year. I am tired of buying different motors and batteries. At this point, the ESC is the cheap part.

LAST MP race, I ran 17.5 LIPO with a GTB, GTB, GTB
Brad ran a SS ESC ,YES a Super sport novak ESC!!!!!!
Terry ran my 13.5 bonded with spec pack
JAMIE LOOK at the results, I ran a 17.5 lipo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO we can go to a mamba, I will run 60 laps
AND I will put a Tekin 203 in a car for Terry so he can get 61

I am sure glad I don't make the rules. I just race. Saturday is gonna be FUN.

I just hope that the rules next year are similar to this year. I am tired of buying different motors and batteries. At this point, the ESC is the cheap part.

Dave, you took the words right outta my mouth!
Wouldn't it be something if we did the same thing for more than one season!
Especially our resident 'hot shoes'.

Rick, thank you for chiming in and struggling to be politically correct!:)
Your input comes with the most experience behind it and is valuable too.
I'm going to try to call you and make sure your okay!:)

Wouldn't it be something if we did the same thing for more than one season!
Especially our resident 'hot shoes'.


I think the biggest change for the 10.5 group will be maybe to a 13.5 motor. :(It's only a $40 (stator) change for most of us. ( keith will have to buy 4 new cars..... again) It would be so nice to have it the same or very similar.

I think the biggest change for the 10.5 group will be maybe to a 13.5 motor. :(It's only a $40 (stator) change for most of us. ( keith will have to buy 4 new cars..... again) It would be so nice to have it the same or very similar.


I say leave everything the same as it is now except get rid of the damn wings!!! :wave::)

So.....if the 10.5 class stays the same....can a guy run a 13.5 insted of the 10.5, I would think that would be ok....right?

I would like to tame the car down a little to get a better handle on the faster speed.

I love the idea of another class.

I say leave everything the same as it is now except get rid of the damn wings!!! :wave::)oh god lets not get started on the wings. just wait till this summer and lets see you fly your airplane without wings and see how far you get. hehehehehehe:confused::confused:;);)

So.....if the 10.5 class stays the same....can a guy run a 13.5 insted of the 10.5, I would think that would be ok....right?

I would like to tame the car down a little to get a better handle on the faster speed.

I love the idea of another class.
I don't see why not. Sparks was talking about doing that. You are never gonna win with a 13.5 motor, but if it makes it easier to drive or the car handles better with less power, I bet you'd get more laps with it.
Seems like it would be easier to back down on the ESC settings.

I really would like to have 2 classes that I could run with the same car (not at the same event though) without gutting it. Just changing the motor would be great. In order to run a different class now, I have to change a lot of stuff. I am not willing to switch from week to week from say a SST to 10.5 with the same car. That's why I am for a 13.5 class. I just don't like the idea of the COT. I want to be able to put a 13.5 motor in my 10.5 car and race it. Northern Indiana has a 13.5 1 cell class with any body. When I was at pete Russels, I saw COT bodies running against "nationwide" bodies with wings. They didn't care. Seems like if we did that too, we might get a few of those guys occasionally.

oh god lets not get started on the wings. just wait till this summer and lets see you fly your airplane without wings and see how far you get. hehehehehehe:confused::confused:;);)

Of course the higher you are the further you get...just depends when you lose the wings. :thumbsup::tongue:

I don't see why not. Sparks was talking about doing that. You are never gonna win with a 13.5 motor, but if it makes it easier to drive or the car handles better with less power, I bet you'd get more laps with it.
Seems like it would be easier to back down on the ESC settings.

I really would like to have 2 classes that I could run with the same car (not at the same event though) without gutting it. Just changing the motor would be great. In order to run a different class now, I have to change a lot of stuff. I am not willing to switch from week to week from say a SST to 10.5 with the same car. That's why I am for a 13.5 class. I just don't like the idea of the COT. I want to be able to put a 13.5 motor in my 10.5 car and race it. Northern Indiana has a 13.5 1 cell class with any body. When I was at pete Russels, I saw COT bodies running against "nationwide" bodies with wings. They didn't care. Seems like if we did that too, we might get a few of those guys occasionally.


I like your idea's here Dave.

Lets add a class and see what happens....especially if we might be able to draw guys from other tracks.


I'm used to having to many classes for the dirt oval seen....the dirt oval guys are crazy when it comes to classes......anything with 4 wheels and they want to run it on the dirt. I agree with being carfull with to many classes, but maybe it's time to try it out.

I would run a SST, 13.5 most of the time and 10.5 some of the time depending on the track size for me. I am gonna run AT LEAST 2 classes till I smartin' up! (my thoughts on the subject anyway)

I would like to hear from all the 10.5 guys in this matter also.

ALL:
Looking forward to running the what's now the 10.5 class this year is leaning toward a 13.5 for next season... great idea Keith.... glad you are back from vac by the way.

The 10.5 guys are all on the same page with this...right?
Would like to here from this group on this topic please.

I really like the 10.5 class just how it is now. Although I have not run 10.5 @ BC yet.. that might be a little tight.

So I propose this:

BC - 13.5
MP - 10.5
GR - 7.5

:)

I really like the 10.5 class just how it is now. Although I have not run 10.5 @ BC yet.. that might be a little tight.

So I propose this:

BC - 13.5
MP - 10.5
GR - 7.5

:)

I think both Mt.P. and Bay City use the 13.5 would be the best ... I have to agree the speed will be there with Better Handling...

I really like the 10.5 class just how it is now. Although I have not run 10.5 @ BC yet.. that might be a little tight.

So I propose this:

BC - 13.5
MP - 10.5
GR - 7.5

:)


Whoosy:wave:...why not 3.5 or 4.5?:thumbsup:



At all tracks.....with no wings:)