(MAYTAG) = The very best stirrer upper.

(MAYTAG) = The very best stirrer upper.



Most Any Yellow Truck Aggravates me Greatly = Duke

Sorry Duke. I couldn't help myself. ;)

HAHAHHAHHAH good one Scott

Most Any Yellow Truck Aggravates me Greatly = Duke

Sorry Duke. I couldn't help myself. ;)

Still having bad dreams over that one! You all out did your selves for sure.

Yes we set the bar quite high.
BUT! We have another plan in the works!
Code X (currently un-named) is in the pre-organization mode.
Don't worry Duke. It may (or may not) include you as a target or maybe a participant.;)
Probably not, I don't know. It depends on Keith and Mel.
But don't ask them about it... they'll claim they don't know anything about it... you know, like last time.:)




Now, where is that spoon.... Hmmmm.
It must be around here somewhere!

Hey I seen a Guy lurking his name was A RAY is he still arround... Maybe he can do the Dubble Header Weekend...

Most Any Yellow Truck Aggravates me Greatly = Duke

Sorry Duke. I couldn't help myself. ;)

beautiful Scott that was good

Trying to get back up for the 10th. I had a blast!
But it looks as though it will be the Sunday race at the Cellar. Trying to figure how to pull of Sat too! If I could just get my wife into rc carpet racing or any rc racing for that matter.

Scott, any suggestions?

Trying to get back up for the 10th. I had a blast!
But it looks as though it will be the Sunday race at the Cellar. Trying to figure how to pull of Sat too! If I could just get my wife into rc carpet racing or any rc racing for that matter.

Scott, any suggestions?

It's absolutely imperative and furthermore a requirement that you make BOTH races! You can sleep on my couch. I'll buy your breakfast. Keith will work on your car. Deano will let you use his back-up car when you forget to bring yours. Mel will be the only one with a yellow body. I promise to give you a 36 hour notice on any special SST setup secrets. :thumbsup:


Well, here's what I did for racing at the Cellar last Saturday.


This timeline starts on the Tuesday before a race;

1. Invited Max and Hannah (niece and nephew) up for the weekend to go RC racing.
2. Wife loves Max and Hannah and would do anything for them. (i.e. my golden ticket. :))
3. Mentioned to wife that I had invited the kids up for the weekend because Hannah and Max said they wanted to go racing with uncle Scott.
4. Wife says, "What will I do on Saturday"?
5 I say, "Here's the VISA, Bay City has lots of places to buy clothes and shoes" and "We should do what we can to stimulate the area economy even if it means I have to absorb high credit card interest rates". (It's worth it to go racing to me).
6. Wife gets up at 6:30 am to get ready to take me and the kids to BC racing.
7. Wife dumps us off at the track.
8. Wife spends more on clothes in one day than I spent on racing all year. Not really, but pretty darn close!
9 Wife shows up at track just in time to see me win an A main for the first time this year.
10. Scott doesn't care how much she spent on clothes because he just won his first A main of the year. Who am I kidding, that was my first A main win since the 13.5 4 cell days.
11. Scott takes everyone out for dinner [celebrating A main victory] after stopping at the Midland mall so wife can find "Just the right pair of shoes".
a. Didn't find the right pair of shoes. Had to go back to the mall to return them.
12. WIN WIN for all involved.
13. Still working on getting the wife to actually race. Maybe by next season it is possible.

Feel free to make adjustments to my plan if required.
Be sure to have a Credit Card with zero balance before trying this yourself. It's for your own protection.:)

It's absolutely imperative and furthermore a requirement that you make BOTH races! You can sleep on my couch. I'll buy your breakfast. Keith will work on your car. Deano will let you use his back-up car when you forget to bring yours. Mel will be the only one with a yellow body. I promise to give you a 36 hour notice on any special SST setup secrets. :thumbsup:


Well, here's what I did for racing at the Cellar last Saturday.


This timeline starts on the Tuesday before a race;

1. Invited Max and Hannah (niece and nephew) up for the weekend to go RC racing.
2. Wife loves Max and Hannah and would do anything for them. (i.e. my golden ticket. :))
3. Mentioned to wife that I had invited the kids up for the weekend because Hannah and Max said they wanted to go racing with uncle Scott.
4. Wife says, "What will I do on Saturday"?
5 I say, "Here's the VISA, Bay City has lots of places to buy clothes and shoes" and "We should do what we can to stimulate the area economy even if it means I have to absorb high credit card interest rates". (It's worth it to go racing to me).
6. Wife gets up at 6:30 am to get ready to take me and the kids to BC racing.
7. Wife dumps us off at the track.
8. Wife spends more on clothes in one day than I spent on racing all year. Not really, but pretty darn close!
9 Wife shows up at track just in time to see me win an A main for the first time this year.
10. Scott doesn't care how much she spent on clothes because he just won his first A main of the year. Who am I kidding, that was my first A main win since the 13.5 4 cell days.
11. Scott takes everyone out for dinner [celebrating A main victory] after stopping at the Midland mall so wife can find "Just the right pair of shoes".
a. Didn't find the right pair of shoes. Had to go back to the mall to return them.
12. WIN WIN for all involved.
13. Still working on getting the wife to actually race. Maybe by next season it is possible.

Feel free to make adjustments to my plan if required.
Be sure to have a Credit Card with zero balance before trying this yourself. It's for your own protection.:)

WOW! That was awesome and you didn't have to re-mortgage your home? Your the king Scott.
That sounds just like something Keith would do or is doing right now.

I learned it from Keith.
Your right on target!

WOW! That was awesome and you didn't have to re-mortgage your home? Your the king Scott. ...
Don't be so sure. The credit card bill hasn't arrived yet...

Ok one week away the Thriller in the EAST two day's of Racing Let's make it a good one...

I hope I still remember how to do this.

10.5 and SST truck with a wing for me.

I hope I still remember how to do this.

10.5 and SST truck with a wing for me.

Will the rest of the 10.5 guys let you run a truck body with a wing?
Because I know your not planning on running a SST with a wing!


P.S. The spoon master is back from vacation and as we can see... stirring like a mad man!:)
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Since the subject has been brought up:

SST will be undergoing FULL tech at MP.:)

Please bring the appropriate parts.
OR,
bring a 10.5 motor to put in it and race with the Hot Dogs.:)

Just in case you are wondering;

SST CLASS RULES
1. Any standard pancar chassis.
2. SMC 4000 mah 25c single cell battery ONLY!
3. 13.5 NOVAK or OHP 13.5. NO BALLISTICS!
4. Novak, LRP (Sphere, COMP, 07) or Tekin ESC V200 or lower.
5. Protoform or McAllister Truck Body with tailgate intact and manufacturers spoiler. McAllister Truck body part #176, #203, #218, #245. Protoform ORT Truck body part #1227-21.
6. BSR Spec Tires - Green rears, Blue and Silver fronts ONLY. BSR's ONLY!
7. Trucks must have a number on the roof and both doors.
8. Roof Height minimum 4 3/8".
9. 36 oz. minimum.
10. 21.5 Drivers that finished in the top 6 in points at MP are not eligible to race in this class.

We will tech for roof height, motor, battery , tires and anything else that is deemed neccessary.


Additionally for your reading pleasure.

[B]SPEC PAN CAR RULES:(currently unofficial proposal for the 2010-11 season)
1. Any Standard Pancar chassis.
2. SMC 1 cell battery [w/17.5 brushless motor] or 4 cell Spec pack [w/brushed or 13.5 bonded rotor brushless].
3. Novak GTB, older LRP (sphere, COMP 07), Or any brushed motor only ESC.
4. Any 17.5 motor w/1 cell battery. Novak 13.5 bonded rotor with Spec battery. Or Spec brushed motor.
5. Any NASCAR style body - truck or car.
6. Spec tires - any brand.

We fully expect to hear some grumbling about the rules. That is actually a good thing. It encourages discussion.
Especially #2 and 3 and they are open for discussion.
That is the main reason for this... discussion.
Any relative and productive comments will be taken into consideration and are fully appreciated.

Rule 2 discussion: When the 17.5/1 cell combination was tried out in the Spec class, the red SMC 25c 4000 mah was the only 1 cell pack available. Now there are several and the performance differences are quite clear to me based on my own testing in SST.

Rule 3 discussion: With the introduction of the new MMP and Tekin w/v203 it is clear that we need to make a decision here. I know all about the MMP only costing $125. That's nice. But you can get GTB's used for under $60. Used LRP's for under $100. And you won't be tempted to make use of the unfair advantage available with the MMP or Tekin. Allowing the MMP and Tekin simply creates another thing to tech and another thing for the drivers in that class thinking it is the "gotta have it to win" part - regardless if someone running a MMP or Tekin is in the "Cheat mode or v203" or not.

The Spec Pan car rules have not really been etched in stone or very "firm" for many years.
And the only reason I posting this is:
1. Because of the introduction of the Mamba ESC's and the Tekin's with v203 and the 1 cell batteries that perform better than the SMC 25c 4000 mah 1 cell pack.
2. Complaints from some drivers in the Spec Class.

The main purpose of the Spec Pan car class is for beginners and budget minded racers. Please don't confuse that last sentence with any relativity to the SST class. While the SST class is budget minded, it is NOT nor ever was, designed for beginners. Beginners are welcome in the SST class nonetheless.

We have ALOT of different combinations running in the Spec Class. And there are definite differences in speed between the 3 types of setups. I do believe with the right setup they could all be the same or alot closer than they appear to be. But, that is subjective to say the least.
I could not begin to tell you who runs what combo. Or who is running [what would be assumed to be] the slowest combo and is still a contender... blah blah blah!
Bottom line - the class lacks parity.

We need to hear from the people that run this class.
We know of a couple people that have quit the class because of one combo being faster than another. This is where I am concerned.

Spec Pan is a very important class. It's where most pancar racers start.
We won't be making changes for this season. No point in that. Maybe we won't change anything.
But, we have had enough "feedback" that would merit a little consideration.

Everyones input/ideas are welcome.:)

I hope I still remember how to do this.

10.5 and SST truck with a wing for me.

the spoon master is back in town:wave:

Yes scott the spec class has got out of hand i have played with the new Mamba esc to find some speed to compete with the 13.5/4cell pack combo. When i run at GR with the 17.5/1s combo with no (MMP or Tekins or 40c and 50c batts) i have a great day of racing everyone over there runs the 17.5/1s combo so there is no problems. But when you run all day with in 2 laps of everyone and then you go to MP the biggest race of the month in my opinion and you want to put in a good showing and you are 2 to 3 laps off the 13.5/4cell cars its upsetting. The 17.5/1s combo needs alittle more to keep up. I will not go back to the 4cell packs its lipo or nothing for me. We need to keep up with the times and move forward with the batts and esc's and stop crying about having to buy new equipment thats part of racing things get better.

Spec Pan Rules "Riley Version"
17.5/1s
Open ESC
Open Motor
Limited Batt (SMC 4000mah 25c if its still around)
Any Body (Backs Cut-Out if you want)
Standard Pan Car Chassi
Wings??? Just though id throw that in for the spoon-man.....lol

Thanks Jayme!

That is the type of input we need!
The SMC battery is going to be around for a while. I spoke with Danny @ SMC directly about it. He said he has NO intention of stopping production of the 25c 4000 mah battery.

Open ESC and One battery rule is gonna be tough for some to swallow. But, let's not get hung up on that yet.

Bring it on guys!

well if your going to allow the 13.5/4cell then there is no choice to allow open esc's for the 17.5/1s people the speed difference is just to big to not allow the esc's. Thats why this all started in the first place because the 17.5/1s is so much slower then the 13.5/4cell.

Scott -

I've run Kaylee's car in the spec class a few times now. For me it is lipo or nothing as well, I will not go back to nimh. I found it is hard to get the rip to compete with the 13.5 gang, one blip of the throttle and you're wanting to jump down and kick the thing to get going again. As for the rules...

Battery: Kaylee runs the 4900 50C SMC battery. Why? When I switched to SST from COT, I had to get my battery legal. So I took her 25C battery and gave her the 50C. I actually see this as a hurt for her - she has more weight on a car that needs to be lighter. It definitely didn't put the car out front in MP or in GR.

ESC: She has a Tekin (with v200, tech it if you have to) in her car. Why? The McPappy chassis just doesn't fit a GTB very well. Yeah, put the 4-cell plate on and stand it on end and it sort of fits. But this is spec class, hits are hard and on-end escs get knocked out too easily. I tried it, hated it, and spent the money for an ESC (Tekin) that fit nicely and stays stuck in the car.

Glad to hear that someone else has the same view on the batterys

Yeah, and gladd to hear someone else has the same view on the 17.5/1s being the slow boat

Yeah i know what you mean i try a Mamba and a bigger battery and then the rules debate starts if i would have know this was going to happen i would have done it 3 months ago so this would be tested alittle more before the last race.

I say just have 1 class and run everything together. No ESC, battery, tire or body rules. Just a couple of rules...every car must be painted white (since I already have a white car) and Keith and Greg must drive with with their blindfolds on for the whole race...not just part of it as they do now. Have 4 qualifiers....by the end there should be a few cars left to make at least a couple of mains.

Sound good?? :)

RC

Of course I am just kidding ...well except for the part about Keith and Greg

If we do the 1 class idea where can i buy a R/C Tank maybe 1/8th scale or even a 1/10th scale would do....lol!!

One other rule..they have to all be pan cars. Otherwise it just wouldn't be fair:)

well if your going to allow the 13.5/4cell then there is no choice to allow open esc's for the 17.5/1s people the speed difference is just to big to not allow the esc's. I'm not putting myself in the position on what will or won't be allowed. The racers that wish to discuss the situation will determine that. That's why I wanted to start a discussion on it. There may be other options that can be explored.
Thats why this all started in the first place because the 17.5/1s is so much slower then the 13.5/4cell. Agreed, but the 4 cell spec pack has been in place from the beginning. I wish it would go away!:)

And actually 13.5/4cell was the beginning of the issue for Spec.
That is when the class started to get a little blurry around the rules.

Scott -

I've run Kaylee's car in the spec class a few times now. For me it is lipo or nothing as well, I will not go back to nimh. Agreed! I found it is hard to get the rip to compete with the 13.5 gang, one blip of the throttle and you're wanting to jump down and kick the thing to get going again.Don't blip the throttle. As for the rules...

Battery: Kaylee runs the 4900 50C SMC battery. Why? When I switched to SST from COT, I had to get my battery legal.Kudos for your effort! So I took her 25C battery and gave her the 50C. I actually see this as a hurt for her - she has more weight on a car that needs to be lighter. It may not make a difference in a 17.5 car. It definitely makes a difference with a 13.5 SST. It definitely didn't put the car out front in MP or in GR.

ESC: She has a Tekin (with v200, tech it if you have to) in her car. Do I have to?:) Why? The McPappy chassis just doesn't fit a GTB very well. Yeah, put the 4-cell plate on and stand it on end and it sort of fits. But this is spec class, hits are hard and on-end escs get knocked out too easily. I tried it, hated it, and spent the money for an ESC (Tekin) that fit nicely and stays stuck in the car.


Yeah i know what you mean i try a Mamba and a bigger battery and then the rules debate starts if i would have know this was going to happen i would have done it 3 months ago so this would be tested alittle more before the last race. You should have known this would happen.:) And thats okay. A Mamba and a bigger battery certainly should make your 17.5/1cell car faster. Maybe the 13.5/4cell guys will welcome your combo. But now the 17.5/1cell guys have to buy stuff to keep up with you! Have you run it with any 13.5/4 cell cars?

I say just have 1 class and run everything together. No ESC, battery, tire or body rules. Just a couple of rules...every car must be painted white (since I already have a white car) and Keith and Greg must drive with with their blindfolds on for the whole race...not just part of it as they do now. Have 4 qualifiers....by the end there should be a few cars left to make at least a couple of mains.

Sound good?? :)

RC

Of course I am just kidding ...well except for the part about Keith and Greg. I noticed you didn't mention a motor size. I'll assume everyone should be running 7.5's or something ridiculous like that.:) Also, I want to bodies to be yellow. I already have one with only one race day on it. I don't see me running it anytime soon either. Mel - wanna buy a body??

Racknor!!
I'm going to bed. You take over for now. The soup is about to boil!:)

No Scott i have not ran against any 13.5/4cell cars yet but i will see this comming weekend. The last GR race i went too i ran 2 tenths faster then any other car there so i know it was faster but i dont know if its still fast enough for the 13.5/4cell cars we will just have to wait and see what happens. I plan on running the SMC 4000mah 25c batt first and then if iam still off the 13.5/4cell cars then ill go up to the Thunder Power 40c and see where it is from there.

So, I understand the arguement from a couple 17.5 drivers.
We need to hear from some 13.5/4cell drivers too.

I have all of the data from each race- lap times and all.
But, I don't know who drives what combo. So until I can sort it out we have nothing to compare short of the current arguement. Which is "my 17.5 car is slow compared to the 13.5/4 cell cars.

We need more input.:)

So, I understand the arguement from a couple 17.5 drivers.
We need to hear from some 13.5/4cell drivers too.

I have all of the data from each race- lap times and all.
But, I don't know who drives what combo. So until I can sort it out we have nothing to compare short of the current arguement. Which is "my 17.5 car is slow compared to the 13.5/4 cell cars.

We need more input.:) i have run it both ways and at bc and mp the 17.5 is 2 tenths slower than the 13.5 4 cell and about 1 tenth slower than the spec motor 4 cell. the only thing i don't no about is what the defference it is with the tekin as i ran a gtb at the time. for some reason that i'm not sure of i could make the 17.5 faster at gr. i'm sure it's the fact that you don't scrub the speed off in the corners like you do at mp and bc. just my .02 cents on this. it would be great to see the spec class go to 17.5 one cell for everyone. just think guys one batt and one motor for the whole yr. :wave:

Iam still on the same motor from 2 years ago and its still the best motor i have.
17.5/1s is the way to go!!!! But i would like to hear why the 13.5/4cell combo is still used by so many i just dont understand.

... But i would like to hear why the 13.5/4cell combo is still used by so many i just dont understand.
Pretty obvious, really. It's faster and it's legal.

The real question is: should it be legal to run a motor you can't buy anymore? (stir, stir ....) :devil:

Iam still on the same motor from 2 years ago and its still the best motor i have.
17.5/1s is the way to go!!!! But i would like to hear why the 13.5/4cell combo is still used by so many i just dont understand. the reason behind the 13.5 4 cell was at the time jon wasn't sure if he was going to be able to get the spec motors anymore. trinity had talked about doing away with it. the 13.5 bonded rotor was pretty close to being the same speed as the spec motor. also the motors were all real close to being the same speed no motor of the month deal and you don't have to be a motor guru to make one run good. hence this should make it better for a newbie trying to learn setup. now if the class were to change to a 17.5 setup if a person wanted to step up to the sst class all they would need would be a motor (that they might already have) and a truck body very little expense to move to a faster class. again this is just my thought and nothing that has to be done but it sure is something to think about hey?????? HAPPY EASTER TO YOU ALL:wave:

well if your going to allow the 13.5/4cell then there is no choice to allow open esc's for the 17.5/1s people the speed difference is just to big to not allow the esc's. Thats why this all started in the first place because the 17.5/1s is so much slower then the 13.5/4cell.

You will run the risk of the open speedo/lipo to be faster than the 13.5/spec pack then you will have complaining from the other side of the coin.

My vote is up grade the spec class to the kind of rules that we have in the SST then there is NO complaining that the fast guys are running this and I am running that. I believe the class should evolve some and always have the cost to get into it in mind every step of the way! (more than my 2 cents anyway)

If we had rules more like the SST's I would get back into one myself.
I like the "everyone running the same stuff concept".

I vote the same power combos for the 17.5 spec class......that would be the most cost effective for 90% of the guys running that class.

Now......I am sure the guys that are running the 13,5 stuff will not want to go that way ie. the guys at MP with the leg up on the competition....but we all need to keep in mind what is right, the changing technology and a few having the advantage because of the perception of what might happen to the hardware years ago, time to change up a little.

Pretty obvious, really. It's faster and it's legal.

The real question is: should it be legal to run a motor you can't buy anymore? (stir, stir ....) :devil:

Okay just didnt know if there was any other good reasons for it besides its faster. Pretty much anything legal in spec everything is so gray in the rules. Thats why we have this problem but i havnt seen any reason yet to why we need to add more rules to stop this when the 13.5/4cell cars are still winning! I could see if sombody goes out with a Mamba or Tekin and 50c or 40c batt and breaks the track record first time out but we dont know its going to be that much faster then the 13.5/4cell cars i still see it being slower it will be close but i still think the 13.5/4cell will still have the edge.

How many guys run the 13.5 stuff vs. the 17.5 lipo stuff? Majority vote perhaps?
Maybe start a pole. (where you can only vote once of coarse)

Would be nice to hear from the 13.5 guys like Scott said.
I love the class.

My opinion (not worth 2¢ since I don't run the class) is simply to no longer allow the 13.5 bonded rotor motor (stick a sintered rotor in it and put it in your SST). Allow 17.5/1s LiPo and brushed 21T/4-cell NiCad since they seem to be the same speed. Probably should limit the ESC to no timing advance (by brand & model, not software rev/honor system) so it doesn't become an ESC-of-the-month war.

(Note: I sent an email to Trinity/Epic and they said they will make 4-cell Spec packs when you order them, they just don't stock them anymore.)

Iam sure there is proly twice as many running the 13.5/4cell then the 17.5/1s when the entire A-main is all 13.5/4cell cars so theres at least 8-10 13.5/4cell cars and maybe 5 or 6 17.5/1s cars if theres that many.

You will run the risk of the open speedo/lipo to be faster than the 13.5/spec pack then you will have complaining from the other side of the coin.

My vote is up grade the spec class to the kind of rules that we have in the SST then there is NO complaining that the fast guys are running this and I am running that. I believe the class should evolve some and always have the cost to get into it in mind every step of the way! (more than my 2 cents anyway)

If we had rules more like the SST's I would get back into one myself.
I like the "everyone running the same stuff concept".

I vote the same power combos for the 17.5 spec class......that would be the most cost effective for 90% of the guys running that class.

Now......I am sure the guys that are running the 13,5 stuff will not want to go that way ie. the guys at MP with the leg up on the competition....but we all need to keep in mind what is right, the changing technology and a few having the advantage because of the perception of what might happen to the hardware years ago, time to change up a little.I agree with duke on the no open speedo rules keep them the same as the sst is now and it will keep the playing field real close. i think we just need to do away with the spec motor and battery and the 13.5 bonded in the spec class. i no i'll catch alot of flack over this but it would bring the class back to what it use to be when it was just a spec motor and battery very simple with little or no teching needed to be done except for battery voltage. take spec back to what it was very simple one batt and one motor.:thumbsup:

Lipo and brushless only! I agree with Kevin on the speedo of the month deal for this class.

GO SPEC CLASS!!!!!

I just might turn my CEFEX car in to a 17.5 if the rules change happens!!!!!

I just dont see the reason for a limited ESC?? The Mamba's are $125 new and a new GTB is $140 so if you are going to buy a new esc why would you pay more for a outdated model???? The GTB will soon be gone away with now that the Novaks Kinetic esc is comming out. Then we will be back to this again in one to two years.

Iam sure there is proly twice as many running the 13.5/4cell then the 17.5/1s when the entire A-main is all 13.5/4cell cars so theres at least 8-10 13.5/4cell cars and maybe 5 or 6 17.5/1s cars if theres that many.


WOW! I did not know this. I thought it would be the other way around.
Well.........maybe the the guys running 17.5 and lipo should jump up to SST then.........tough call then if the guys don't want to change up some with the times.......nothing wrong with that if it works for them....... it's just that the class will not likely grow in fact it will stay the same or loose some luster.

I just dont see the reason for a limited ESC?? The Mamba's are $125 new and a new GTB is $140 so if you are going to buy a new esc why would you pay more for a outdated model???? The GTB will soon be gone away with now that the Novaks Kinetic esc is now out. Then we will be back to this again in one to two years.


This is true......the fact that you can get GTB's good used for next to nothing and that there is a million of them out there only get's a guy into it cheaper....a little cheaper that is.

The deal (I believe) with the MMP and the Tekin v203 is what happens to the performance of the motor/speed of the car....I don't think that the powers at be in this area (the 1/2 dozen or less wisemen calling the shots with the rules that should be) do not want to make the cars run faster but keep cost as low as possible and competition as high a possible.

I personally have no problem with speedo of the month but also know that in this area and this state perhaps, is not the way to go in every class.....toooooo many people turned off by it.......I understand completly.

I can for see it in the future WHEN the powers at be open it up to any speedo will most likely change the motor spec in the class.....for instance...

10.5 would be 13.5
13.5 SST would be 17.5
17.5 spec would be 21.5





(Keith.....do I get to use your BIG stainless steel spoon here, you have taught me well)

I just dont get how its speedo of the month you buy a mamba or a tekin and you just update it as they come out. Everyone is the same speed and the speeds will increase yes but not as much as jumping classes i just want to run a second class but dont know if i can handle the speeds of 10.5 but dont want to buy a outdated esc to run a slower class. Just my 2cents

I just dont see the reason for a limited ESC?? The Mamba's are $125 new and a new GTB is $140 so if you are going to buy a new esc why would you pay more for a outdated model???? The GTB will soon be gone away with now that the Novaks Kinetic esc is comming out. Then we will be back to this again in one to two years.
The reasons for a limited ESC are:
1-Spec class is supposed to be slower than SST. With the latest ESCs & software versions, a 17.5 could be faster than a 13.5 with a GTB.
2- For $159 a new racer could buy a Havoc 1s with motor.
3-It gives people a place to use their older ESCs (at least the ones Willie hasn't blown up yet :jest:)

Well we will have to wait and see if the Mambas and Tekins are going to be that much faster if they are they will most defentally be banned from the class but if they are close then what do we do? Let it go or do we make a dramatic rule change and limit everything? If the rules were like SST i could deal with that and run a tekin with 200v or less and be happy because i get to run the newer esc's. If we limit the class everything needs to be limited motors,batt,esc,tires,bodys,weight everything.

Well we will have to wait and see if the Mambas and Tekins are going to be that much faster if they are they will most defentally be banned from the class but if they are close then what do we do? Let it go or do we make a dramatic rule change and limit everything? If the rules were like SST i could deal with that and run a tekin with 200v or less and be happy because i get to run the newer esc's. If we limit the class everything needs to be limited motors,batt,esc,tires,bodys,weight everything. the only difference between sst and spec should be the motor and the bodies everything else should be the same. its taken 203 in the tekin to catch up to the mamba which you can't run run in the sst or spec so right there tells me it's faster and shouldn't be allowed in either class. yes the mamba is cheaper but as kevin has pointed out the havoc is a good price and it comes with the motor. alot of the spec racers have a brushless setup so they don't need to buy a new speedo. they would only need a motor and battery and if we talk to the local parts suppliers they might work out a deal if you bought both from them in a package. just a idea i haven't talk to any of our suppliers to see if they could cut a deal.:thumbsup:

Look what I got for easter!

I'm pretty sure I will clean up spec class with this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUh5YTcQIgg