Does the TOUR have a website? Hate wading through 17+ pages to find the current rules. Seems like the rules change quicker than I change underware.:wave: Would like to get back into the hobby, but need to know the rules!!

The rules are on the first page.

Does the TOUR have a website? Hate wading through 17+ pages to find the current rules. Seems like the rules change quicker than I change underware.:wave: Would like to get back into the hobby, but need to know the rules!!
rules are pretty simple!!! today was my first race in sst class, everything just sounds worse than it is, trust me, pretty simple hands on! i was all worried also, untill today at mt pleasant oval!!!! lot of great guys!!!! you go, they will help!!!:thumbsup:

Does the TOUR have a website? Hate wading through 17+ pages to find the current rules. Seems like the rules change quicker than I change underware.:wave: Would like to get back into the hobby, but need to know the rules!!

Hey Butch it would be great to have you a J B back in the hobby. TOUR rules are on the first post of this thread. Come see us sometime.

Just a minor update to the rules. When the initial 7.5 motor list was established we had a motor listed as the following:

Trinity new 7.5 (Name TBD)TRI10514Trinity__________ 7.5 Turn Brushless Motor

Now that we some time has passed, the motor has been named and the part number split into 2 part numbers to signify two different rotor options. It is now listed as follows:

Trinity NemesisTRI10555 / TRI10557Trinity Nemisis 7.5 Turn Brushless Motor (The 2 part numbers refer to the 2 rotor options available)

• World GT Tires were selected as the spec tire for this class for several reasons:
o They are readily available due to their wide acceptance in the on-road racing community and have proven to be a very well regulated, cost effective, solution.
o These tires are NOT available to team drivers through sponsorships. All sales of these tires go through hobby shops.
o All 4 tires are all made of the same, very durable compound and are priced below standard tires.
o World GT Tires are to meet the following specifications:
• Tire and wheel must meet 10th scale specifications
• Tire compound to be Japanese R4 compound, 38 shore
• Tire must have an identifier ring of purple colored foam in the center of the tire


o There is no “approval process” for World GT tires. Any tire meeting the above criteria will be considered legal.

Just to be sure, according to what is stated above, the Jaco World GT Tires are not legal for TOUR sportsman truck. For they don't have a purple foam in center of tire. Correct?

billb60-

That is what we have been told. I am sure Allan will get on here and confirm, but that is what we were told.
Thanks
Joel White

Just to be sure, according to what is stated above, the Jaco World GT Tires are not legal for TOUR sportsman truck. For they don't have a purple foam in center of tire. Correct?

Bill, Only world GT Tires with the purple ring are legal for the TOUR spotsman truck. We have attempeted to get in touch with all known mfg of World GT Tires. TM Tires are in the process of making them with the purple ring also.
Thanks for your question.

Allan A

Bill, Only world GT Tires with the purple ring are legal for the TOUR spotsman truck. We have attempeted to get in touch with all known mfg of World GT Tires. TM Tires are in the process of making them with the purple ring also.
Thanks for your question.

Allan A


Thanks, I'm just getting my shopping list together. I got a used roller that was raced outdoors and I will be racing indoors. Being that I'm new, I only what to buy stuff one time for the first go around.

Question! Are the products on the approval list that are not available to the general public legal at the Ovalmasters?

Jimmy I answered your PM.

Can the purple rings on the Novak motors be removed?

Larry. Per the Greeneville website they can be removed. I have taken mine off already. They are extra weight. Not so much heat, as these shouldn't get that hot, but every little bit helps.

everybody but Larry, he has to run two!!!!! lol

Wanted to double check on body rules with TOUR.

Does a body have to be approved by ROAR to be legal for TOUR racing?

Wanted to double check on body rules with TOUR.

Does a body have to be approved by ROAR to be legal for TOUR racing?

Per the rules on page 1:

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showpost.php?p=2939151&postcount=1


Body Rules:

Sportsman 17.5 – NASTRUCK bodies only
• 2" spoiler max (no side dams attached)
• Tailgate/rear bumper needs to be left in

COT 13.5 – COT bodies as approved by the TOUR.

The limitation of the 13.5 Single Cell class to a COT body was due to the demand from the racers to have a class that features this new body. Also, it was a goal of our organization to have each class distinguishable body, as much as possible.

(Note: The TOUR will follow a bi-annual approval process such that any COT body submitted before September 1st can be approved by October 1st. The next approval period is April 1st for a May 1st approval. This effectively puts a “lock” on COT bodies for the carpet season, and another one for the outdoor season.)

• Currently approved bodies are as follows:
o Protoform COT (part #: 1230-30)
o McAllister Charger COT (part #261)
o McAllister Fusion COT (part #254)
o McAllister Impala COT (part #249)
o McAllister 190 COT (part #265)
• Minimum roof height of 4 3/8th inches
• Minimum height at the center of hood @ the centerline of the front axle – 2 ½ inches
• Rear of body only trimmed as high as the trim line. No air relief holes above the trim lines in the rear. (i.e. leave rear of body in)
• Body must be centered (front to back) in alignment with the mold lines for the front wheel wells.
• Wing must be the OEM COT wing for your body
• On a Protoform body, the wing must be screwed to the body’s 2 molded-in wing struts. No raising or lowering of wing.
• On McAllister bodies, the wing mounts are molded into the wings. This OEM wing must only be used on a McAllister body. This wing must be mounted directly to the body.
• No additional wings or spoilers.
• Wing dimensions for Protoform wings:
o Tolerance: plus or minus 1/8”
o Width: 6-1/2” including the outer spill plates
o Spill plate height: 1-1/4”
o Spill plates length: 1-1/2” on bottom; 1” on top
o Kick-up can be cut or bent no lower than the bottom of the lowest mold line. Minimum of ½” of kick-up.
o Chord max: 1-3/8” (measured from leading edge of the wing to the trailing edge)
• Wing dimensions for McAllister wings:
o Tolerance: plus or minus 1/8”
o Width: 6-3/4” including the outer spill plates
o Spill plate height: 1”
o Spill plates length: 1-1/2” on bottom; 1” on top
o Kick-up can be cut or bent no lower than the bottom of the lowest mold line. Minimum of ½” of kick-up.
o Chord max: 1-3/8” (measured from leading edge of the wing to the trailing edge)
• There must be a minimum of 1/8” blunt edge of the “splitter” remaining on the body. This is to prevent raking the body and for the safety on corner marshals.
• (INTENT of the Rule: Cut the body on the body line and don’t rake or slam the body.)



All other classes – Stock car bodies only (no COT bodies)
• THD, Charger, Monte Carlo, etc.
• Back of car bodies can be cut out
• 1.5" spoiler max (no side dams attached)
• All bodies must be available to public
• Wings legal as per the following guidelines:
o Max width: 8"
o Side-dam max height: 2"
o Side-dam max length: 3.75"
o Chord max: 3"

makes me wonder on the cot body rules now.the class is faster than they thought when the rule was made now with the new speedos on the horizon this body rule just dont work now.we are running 10.5 speeds. maybe a change in the body rules will be in the near future.i have to admit i hve seen alot of people struggling this year and alot of people you never thought ever could. but we still keep fixing whats not broken.

Even with the "new" speeds the COT body still works fine.

The body is the only thing the tour has rules on. Everything else is open basically
O wait the car has to be 36oz....lol

tire wear is a major issue with the cot body in this area i can imagine it getting worse in the 10.5 speeds of the new speedos

Pinks and Purple, may not be such an issue then.

We ran the cot bodies with the new esc 2 week ago, tire wear was great, this was on old Snowbird carpet.

We ran the cot bodies with the new esc 2 week ago, tire wear was great, this was on old Snowbird carpet.

It appears that this is coming from the Mamba, A/E speed control being used on 13.5 class is tracks with a short run line. With the rip these things have, I am sure they are harder on tires on this type of track.

It also seems real easy for people to set back a complain after all the work has been done.

I think the TOUR class suggestion have helped racing a lot this year.

One thing the TOUR leaders might do for next year is to employ a psychic so they will know in advance what will happen. That way they can make rules to prevent it.

makes me wonder on the cot body rules now.the class is faster than they thought when the rule was made now with the new speedos on the horizon this body rule just dont work now.we are running 10.5 speeds. maybe a change in the body rules will be in the near future.i have to admit i hve seen alot of people struggling this year and alot of people you never thought ever could. but we still keep fixing whats not broken.


I seen no problems with the mamba speed in COT at the minnreg/Tampa race. Body worked great, If your struggling its not the body.

I seen no problems with the mamba speed in COT at the minnreg/Tampa race. Body worked great, If your struggling its not the body.
so actuall we could have ran the cot body in 10.5 all this time too? not struggling at all but like %60 of the people i know are. and i know for a fact that the same exact car i am running now i would get 4 weeks on the same tires.all i change is the body and now 1 set a week and a completly diff setup.tire wear getting better but no where near as good as the thd or fmd body did

Exactly, you're not going 13.5 speeds anymore, you're going 10.5 speeds. Of course tire wear is up. How is it compared to 21.5 wear you've had in the past?

COT class = COT body.

I would think thats the whole point of the class?!?!?!?

Exactly, you're not going 13.5 speeds anymore, you're going 10.5 speeds. Of course tire wear is up. How is it compared to 21.5 wear you've had in the past?

They have allways ran a open back body with a wing its not going to campare with our back in the body and spoiler(tire ware)

We ate up tires in the supper soft foams,flexy chassis,heavy 2 cell 21.5 class we had been running.

Tire ware is way better than what we were use to but it has to be down for them they probley ran pinks purples and now need white blacks.

It would be sweet a$$ to run a THD or CHD with the back cut out and a spoiler in the 13.5 class.:wave:

As a side note I have never wore out a inside front left like I am now with the COT body.

Jake

As a side note I have never wore out a inside front left like I am now with the COT body.

Jake

thats a great thing to have going on

you mean that the chassis is actuallly working when you get LF wear?

It would be sweet a$$ to run a THD or CHD with the back cut out and a spoiler in the 13.5 class.:wave:

Jake

If you're thinking of doing this at your local track, you're dreaming.....:beatdeadhorse:

next years classes?

17.5 trucks with spec battery body and a limited speedo rule

17.5 street stock (60's and 70's bodies like vta runs Mcallister has some) open everything else

13.5 COT

10.5

7.5 mod (big event only class)

next years classes?

17.5 trucks with spec battery body and a limited speedo rule

17.5 street stock (60's and 70's bodies like vta runs Mcallister has some) open everything else

13.5 COT

10.5

7.5 mod (big event only class)

Brian, I like your thinking on the street stock class.

I would say open the speed control and battery on the trucks as you can get 5000 mah 40C cells for the same price as the 25C SMC packs. For me it is counter productive to have to buy a 25C pack for one class when they dont cost less. Same goes for the speed control, the Mamba is one of the cheapest speed controls out there and updatable. If the speeds are too fast, just go down to a 21.5 turn motor.

Would make more sense to me to have a racer buy a good speed control and 50C battery once, then when they are ready to move up to the faster classes just buy a new body and motor instead of having to buy a motor, battery, speed control, and body.

John

I think you might see a realignment of classes for next year to compensate for the difference in speedo's.

The truck class was created for the guys who thought 13.5 was too fast, now you throw the new speedo into the mix and your back to the old 13.5 speeds. One step forward, 3 steps back

Trucks, Open speedo, 21.5
COT, open speedo, 17.5
Pro stock, open speedo, 13.5
Expert, open speedo, 10.5
Mod... open speedo, 7.5

I think you might see a realignment of classes for next year to compensate for the difference in speedo's.

The truck class was created for the guys who thought 13.5 was too fast, now you throw the new speedo into the mix and your back to the old 13.5 speeds. One step forward, 3 steps back

Trucks, Open speedo, 21.5
COT, open speedo, 17.5
Pro stock, open speedo, 13.5
Expert, open speedo, 10.5
Mod... open speedo, 7.5

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

I agree, seems very doable for next year. I really enjoy the truck class!:thumbsup:

:cool:Hotrod

I like the above because I like the speed of 13.5 as it is. Yes, we're going 21.5 speed, but in 1 cell it's still a lot more controllable.

Yep...I like the idea too. And if people have a Ballistic it makes it cheap to move around. The sooner we get this idea to the powers that be the better. The more advance notice people have the better as it gives everyone time to swap equipment around.

Love the open speedo part of it!

If you're thinking of doing this at your local track, you're dreaming.....:beatdeadhorse:


LOL we can all deam cant we LOL I think the COT body hates me.

No Chuck I would not want to go by any other rules than the BRL rules.:thumbsup:

Jake

however, if everyone just changes things because we'd like this or that, then we're back to square one.

I'm all for a reset of the winds next year. if it doesn't happen, i'll run what they list as classes. TOUR is a good thing. We should support it. If they don't change this or don't change that, then we should live with it. TOUR is only as good as the support we give it. We all wanted something to unify the rules, so let's stay to that course. If Allan and Steve see the need for the reset of the winds, good deal. If not, good deal.

Yes each track can choose whether to follow TOUR rules or not. Each race director has some freedoms. But if this track decides no COT and that one says no WGT tires and that one says don't cut out the back of a THD, then guess what? We're back to 2008. We're back to ARCOR. We're back to too many classes. We're back to not being able to go to other tracks without another purchase. We're back to travelling to a track and not having a class to run.

Let's let it all settle. we may find out that when all is said and done, it's all good the way it is. We may find out I hit the wall harder at these new speeds. Either way, let's support the TOUR. It's doing what we wanted it to do.

I've been running the same exotics for over a month (2x a week) and have had very little tire wear with the COT. I started at 2.12 and after I finished the main last night they came off at 2.093. I haven't heard anyone else complaining about tire wear locally at either of the 2 carpet tracks.

Its not that I ware out the tire first or more than the others its just now I get ware on it befor it would ware 1/4 as fast as the others.

Jake

i'll tell ya this right now... if the mamba, ae, and any speedo with new updates are allowed next year the class lineup better be changed. otherwise you're gonna see a lot of tracks stray from the tour. 13.5 1-cell mamba is way to fast for a lot of poeple that run it now...

21.5 begginner
17.5 cot
13.5 pro-stock
10.5 mod

it's clearly and easy decision.

hmm i see you can have your own motor made by novak now. so 19.5,15.5,12.5 and 9.5

Now I understand why you are doing so good in the ORL.

Changing the motors to something completly different will not help oval racing, or any tour (or TOUR the org). If we just bump the motors people can swap and trade to get to the class they want.

I ran the Ovalmaster which the first tour race and I had to buy a new motor,body and battery. Now you have to buy a new esc. I ask everyone.....Is helping oval racing. They have more rules for the COT body than motors,batteries,esc. You have a few people on hobbytalk tryng to make decision for the whole country. The ecomony isn't that good for some people, we can't buy new stuff every week just to keep up. thats my .02

i give up...

You think this is bad, try owning a real car where they make rule changes throught the season, then when the season is over, give you new rules telling you you have to run more expensive fuel and your shocks require a sticker issued by the sanctioning body at $10 per sticker for your shock to be legal. Not to mention a change in body rules that makes a body MORE expensive than the $1800 your already spending.

This is all new to everyone involved, and until the technology slows down, there isn't much you can do about it. IF anything changes, it won't be until next year. I'm pretty sure the powers that be are smart enough to realize making rule changes now wouldn't be the wise thing to do. Anything they discuss now is in anticipation of next year.