I tell you what Josh, I understand that taking time to read the rules before you make your purchase can be frustrating.

But I tell you what I will do. You ship me your one set of TM tires that you just bought and have not run. And I will ship you a set of new legal tires.All it will cost you is shipping both ways.

Allan A
sounds like a deal to me!!!!:thumbsup:

I tell you what Josh, I understand that taking time to read the rules before you make your purchase can be frustrating.

But I tell you what I will do. You ship me your one set of TM tires that you just bought and have not run. And I will ship you a set of new legal tires.All it will cost you is shipping both ways.

Allan A

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Allan,

I did take time to read the rules. Nice shot. Did you look at all of the World GT Tires before you made the rules? Or were you only interested in allowing BSR/CRC tires? Maybe Tony and Jaco should have taken the time to read the rules before they "wasted" time and money on a product that isn't legal.

If Tony decides to make a legal World GT tire, I'll contact him about doing an exchange. But, I'm not sure I want to support the hobby or oval racing anymore.

Thanks for the offer.

Best of luck with this years rules,

Josh Keller

NOW WHAT!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRR.!?:rolleyes:

Josh no shot intended, Your main problem seemed to be that you had bought a set of tires that you could not use. Since you and I had already talked about this, and I thought it was resolved. I felt if I replaced this set of tires it might solve your problem. Just to let you know I was not for World GT Tires but this org does not run on one presons vote or best intrest. It is based on what is felt is best for the oval industry. Will everyone be happy no. Will ever mfg respond to letters and phone calls, NO. Will I try to explain why they didn't, no I won't. The Sportsman class was designed to be as simple a class as possible to be run. Limited motor, battery, body and tire. No mutiple selections of combnations. I support what the TOUR is doing, enough to purchase your tires to resolve your issues. Even thought I didnt belive in the rule I believe in the TOUR. No shot intened, just trying to resoulve your issue.

Josh,

I've had several conversations with Tony this week about getting the material to develop a "legal" World GT tire, and he has been very cooperative. Let me give you a little background on World GT Tires.

They were not designed specifically for oval racing. They were developed for the World GT class for on-road. They’ve been around for almost 2 years now. Since the tires are all the same compound, durable, and not available directly from manufacturers to team drivers, we choose to use this tire. It would support sales through hobby shops (who provide us the tracks we race at). World GT has had success with this platform, so we followed it.

Our first draft of the rules simply said "World GT Tires". As we developed the rules further, we were asked to further define "World GT Tires". What we found was surprising. ROAR mentions these tires but has no spec for them nor has any approval process. It was simply a matter of opinion as to what is a "legal" World GT tires. Apparently CRC, Jaco, and BSR, had a mutual agreement to use R4 30 shore compound and call it World GT. The only other part of this gentlemen's agreement was to not sell these tires to team drivers, in order to help drive business through hobby stores.

As I pursued these manufacturers I found even more descention among the ranks in that there has been an effort to mandate a purple ring as a standard identifier. This was when Tony had contacted us about pursuing this market. He agreed that an identifier ring was necessary but was struggling to find a source for the purple color foam. I told him that a white ring would make this tire ambiguous with his other spec tires. I’ve helped him find a source for purple color foam. Jaco certainly has the ability to do the same.

The primary problem was that the World GT world has no sanctioning body nor any approval process and no rule or design standard. We, as the TOUR had to step up and define it somehow. That’s a tough task. But we did it. I can sure think of a lot of easier things to do. One of those “easier things to do” is to sit behind a keyboard and criticize those who use there spare time to help get this right for the rest of us.

By the way, that reminds me to address these “shots” about the ever changing rules. (This is not directed at you, Josh.) So let’s review….in March we had no national rule guidelines (it had been that way for about 9-10 years)…….by June we had a draft of the TOUR rules……by mid-August we had the classes defined and a rules set published…….since then we’ve “further detailed”, not changed the rules. Now we have a pretty good set of guidelines available for tracks to adopt, if they so choose, called the TOUR rules.

……..And that how Allan and I spent our summer vacation……………we’d love to see what ya’ll came up with???

Steve

well put steve!!!!!!! and thanks for taking the time to make the rules we need to race this year!!!!! ill be racin!!!!! dont care what i need but i will be there!!!!!!! but as a newbie it is frustrating, you were there once..lol, i can see and hope carpet oval goes big in the next couple years!!!!!! guys like this who help new people like me....priceless!!!! mike

Is it time for the Oval Masters yet????? I think if we could just get some racing going all this stuff might fix itself. :woohoo:

Bill

Is it time for the Oval Masters yet????? I think if we could just get some racing going all this stuff might fix itself. :woohoo:

Bill

i agree, people like you could help people like me...lol:wave:, mike

Tony/TM is my tire sponsor & I spoke with him today.

He is awaiting the arrival of the purple material to use in his World GT tires to meet the TOUR guidelines.If the tires he makes with it is up to his standard...he will make tires that can be used at TOUR races...if not who knows?

When a new rules package of this size & magnitude is initially put in place there is always speed bumps along the way.Tony was making his TM World GT tires well before the TOUR rules came out.The TOUR requires the purple ring...so Tony is trying to do what he can to align his product with the rules ...if it does not interfere with the products integrity.

Tony is following the rules as far as team drivers are concern and I hope the other manufacturers are doing the same.As a team driver I cannot buy the World GT tires from Tony for my buddy,myself,or anyone.The tires should/need to be purchased through a Hobby shop and not direct from any of the manufacturers by anyone.

i agree, people like you could help people like me...lol:wave:, mike

Be glad to, just let me know.

Bill

awful quiet around here... i guess the rules are working so far.

They worked great at Greeneville this past weekend. no nonsense rules was great!! I knew what to expect, and the rules were followed to the "t"

well, just bought a novak 6 cell spread spec, with booster thing...lol. i am now all set to race. but......still need those purple ring tires for the birds, runnin nastruck 17.5. anybody have them????

well, just bought a novak 6 cell spread spec, with booster thing...lol. i am now all set to race. but......still need those purple ring tires for the birds, runnin nastruck 17.5. anybody have them????

do you have a 2.4 ghz radio?

do you have a 2.4 ghz radio?

yes sir!!! i have a spektrum dx3.0, a dx3r and a dx 3s and a 2.0 and 17 receivers that will work for all radios. i hope novak dont let me down again...lol

anybody have the purple ring tires i need?? (bsrf 1033gt & 1034gt)

http://www.lefthander-rc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=1662

http://www.lefthander-rc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=1663

yes sir!!! i have a spektrum dx3.0, a dx3r and a dx 3s and a 2.0 and 17 receivers that will work for all radios. i hope novak dont let me down again...lol

I am not sure if it works or not. I assume it has a lipo cutoff, so you may have to turn that off somehow. I am sure they can help you out on the novak thread if it becomes an issue.

http://www.lefthander-rc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=1662

http://www.lefthander-rc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=1663

i thought the ones for the novice nastruck class where suppose to be cheaper???? they are 4.00 more than any others i can get??????

anybody have the purple ring tires i need?? (bsrf 1033gt & 1034gt)

I hope to have a pair this weekend.......unless John forgets to bring them to the track.

I am not sure if it works or not. I assume it has a lipo cutoff, so you may have to turn that off somehow. I am sure they can help you out on the novak thread if it becomes an issue.

all my radios are 2.4, why would i have to turn off lipo cut-off?????

I hope to have a pair this weekend.......unless John forgets to bring them to the track.
how much are you getting them for??

Dunno yet, John hasn't dropped them off yet. Has to go through the hobby shop, John's old shop. I was there today looking for them and buying a spur gear for VTA.

Dunno yet, John hasn't dropped them off yet. Has to go through the hobby shop, John's old shop. I was there today looking for them and buying a spur gear for VTA.
i was under the intension that they were making the rule for it to be cheaper for the newbies like me, and they are more expensive?????????????????

aparentley, people are taking advantage of that rule!!

Inferno,

They are cheaper than the tires we usually run on the pan cars @ $20+ a set. One thing you have to keep in mind is the intent of the class is to have all things equal and let setup and driving skill be the determining factor. The spec tires you are referring to still come in different compounds, that would take the "all things equal" part out of the equation. No debates on tire compounds or other similar factors with the WGT tires.

im a newbie, but have looked at prices, i can get tires for the cot 13.5 1 cell class cheaper than the novice class, i have over 40 sets of new tires for pancar class, i will gladley sell them to ya for 20+ a set...lol

ok, first off we know your new... you mention that in every post. We get it.

As far as tires go, Lefthander has the WGT's listed @ $16 a set, while the other tires are $18 a set. my LHS sells BSR's for $26 a set

$16 is cheaper than $18, and both are cheaper than $26

If they were 50% more they would still be cheaper than buying a set each of several compounds of tire. No money wasted on compounds that don't work with our driving style or setup.
Now we just buy one compound for that class and then work on hitting our marks, and setup.
We must look at the big picture. I don't own a single foam tire, but that is soon to change.

ok, first off we know your new... you mention that in every post. We get it.

As far as tires go, Lefthander has the WGT's listed @ $16 a set, while the other tires are $18 a set. my LHS sells BSR's for $26 a set

$16 is cheaper than $18, and both are cheaper than $26

first just wanted everybody to know MOST people take advantage of new people!!!!!! i can get them for 12.50 a set , and we both know that is cheaper than 26.00, 18.00, and 16.00. no need to be rude dude, just thought that was the reason for the whole rule thing, cheaper to get more new people into it, 2.00 is not going to make it happen..lol

If they were 50% more they would still be cheaper than buying a set each of several compounds of tire. No money wasted on compounds that don't work with our driving style or setup.
Now we just buy one compound for that class and then work on hitting our marks, and setup.
We must look at the big picture. I don't own a single foam tire, but that is soon to change.
well i have lots!!!!!!! what ya lookin for?

well i have lots!!!!!!! what ya lookin for?

I will have to consult my mentor. LOL

I will have to consult my mentor. LOL

lol...lol.... see!!!!!!...lol. i can sell you a cheaper tire for more...lol

Actually the rules were created to organize something that previously had little to no organization on a national level. The class was created to give people the opportunity try pan car racing at a level where competition would be even and everyone would have the same opportunity to race without being in a class that was too fast for them. I can get tires for $8 a set, yet I still have to go out and pay retail for WGT tires for the truck I'm building for my brother to get into racing. If the cost of a tire is the deciding factor to whether your going to race or not, this is the wrong hobby.

As for taking advantage of new people, you'll come to find very few people in pan car racing will do that. I spend alot of my time at the track helping people get their cars in order, and when I'm not at the track, I build and set up cars for other people. 85% of my time is helping other people when it comes to this stuff, and when you actually get to a track and start racing, I think you will see that most people are like that.

you have pm casper60

Back at ya :thumbsup:

....tune in tomorrow same Bat Time same Bat channel.....

First, where are you guys getting tires for 12.50 or 8 dollars a pair?
Second, the World GT spec tires wear like rocks, they'll last you much longer than what you'd be forced to use to be competitive if it were an open tire class.

They worked great at Greeneville this past weekend. no nonsense rules was great!! I knew what to expect, and the rules were followed to the "t"

Yep, the new TOUR package was pretty flawless at Greeneville this past weekend. I think once people get some actual racing under their belt with the new rules, they will see how much better things are.

First, where are you guys getting tires for 12.50 or 8 dollars a pair?
Second, the World GT spec tires wear like rocks, they'll last you much longer than what you'd be forced to use to be competitive if it were an open tire class.

You hit the nail on the head. You can get tires really cheap at some online stores. The fact is though if you buy one set of WGT tires they will last a long time. Every run you can change the tires from side to side to keep the wear even. With the 13.5 and up classes you cant because we run a different compound on each corner.

Like Casper said once you get on the track you will see. Doing all of the research on the net is good, but will not compair to getting on the track.

CBear... I have a tire sponsor, thats why I get them cheap.

A good source for tires is Discount RC Tires... They are a little cheaper than everyone else and shipping is usually pretty quick.

Greeneville RC Speedway also has Tires in stock

CBear... I have a tire sponsor, thats why I get them cheap.

A good source for tires is Discount RC Tires... They are a little cheaper than everyone else and shipping is usually pretty quick.
I figured thats how you were getting yours at $8 ;)

You can buy them at Discount RC Tires if you want. http://discountrctires.com/?mainURL=/store/category/cuiy/BSR.html

My guess would be you need more parts than just tires though. So to save on shipping I would go with lefthander, or your local hobby shop. Or like HitmanIII said Allan over at Greeneville can hook you up with just about anything you need. Plus he has a really cool southern accent!

casper is probably using spec tires, thats why he gets them so cheap... at least it looked like he was using spec tires last weekend...

LOL!!!!

useless post, but somebody had to take a shot :D

If I was going that fast on spec tires you have something to worry about when I come down to the Strand next week with regular tires ;)

LOL... the strand is awesome

Yea, I missed out on it last year for that end of season race. I got sick the day before so I skipped it. I plan on making a few trips down this year. Looking forward to getting my ass handed to me by you guys :p

I've run the World GT tires on my son's truck this summer at Fastlane with Cbear3 and they have plenty of grip and the wear is fantastic. I love the idea that everybody in the class will be running the same tires. I'm not sponsored by a tire company and the cost is ok with the life that you will get. If TM can make a tire with the purple ring, that would be fine. It's just nice to know that everybody has the same tires and one less thing for him to worry about.

The rules for the 17.5 Sportsman class are great.

World GT tires are not supposed to be available to sponsored drivers at their special rate through their sponsors!!!