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What do you guys think about the 2010 FORD MUSTANG NATIONWIDE SERIES COT?

IROC cars??? :confused:

I don't like the look of the Mustang front end but I do like the idea of differentiating the Nationwide cars from the Sprint Cup cars.

I am also glad they are moving to the spoiler instead of the wing. I am hearing that SC will be doing the same, likely next year.

--Cory

It's a crappy deal for the Ford teams because they have been developing a completely different car up to this point. So now Chevy, Dodge and Toyota have a huge advantage because they have a load of data on the cars they are going to run while all the Ford team have to start from scratch. Kind of moronic to make the change this late in the process.

I don't like the look of the Mustang front end but I do like the idea of differentiating the Nationwide cars from the Sprint Cup cars.

I am also glad they are moving to the spoiler instead of the wing. I am hearing that SC will be doing the same, likely next year.

--Cory

Cory, where did hear that the SPRINT CUP cars are going to change from the wing to the spoiler?

Cory, where did hear that the SPRINT CUP cars are going to change from the wing to the spoiler?

I know several people within the SC ranks that I talk to regularly and my good friend works for Joe Gibbs Racing.

I originally heard something about it on Sirius NASCAR radio that there had been discussions (and some testing) done. Supposedly Greg Biffle was the actual driver that tested the spoiler on the COT cars earlier this year.

After I heard about it there, I asked my buddy about it. He said it was in development and might make it for the 2010 season but was not a sure thing yet.

--Cory

It's a crappy deal for the Ford teams because they have been developing a completely different car up to this point. So now Chevy, Dodge and Toyota have a huge advantage because they have a load of data on the cars they are going to run while all the Ford team have to start from scratch. Kind of moronic to make the change this late in the process.

Figures,Ford is also suppose to release their new engine (finally)the DB9.
Personally,I'm not liking the 'stang nose.Not sure why they just don't leave the bodies alone for now,and see how the spoiler works on some different tracks to start.

I heard today that Chevy is planning on continuing the Impala and bringing it over to Nationwide series. Also heard Toyota will likely do the same with the Camry. Supposedly, both will look rather different than their Sprint Cup counterpart, but will carry the same badge.

I really hope that Chevy will bring in the Camaro, but as of now, doesn't look like that will happen.

--Cory

I heard today that Chevy is planning on continuing the Impala and bringing it over to Nationwide series. Also heard Toyota will likely do the same with the Camry. Supposedly, both will look rather different than their Sprint Cup counterpart, but will carry the same badge.

I really hope that Chevy will bring in the Camaro, but as of now, doesn't look like that will happen.

--Cory


Here's the thing... the teams have been testing these cars for over a year now... No "planning" it's already done and the cars are on track. The fact Ford decided to switch bodies justs puts them behind the 8 ball. The Camaro is being raced, but you will never see it in NASCAR... While it is currently being used in the Koni Series, chances are you may see it in the rolex series next year now that Pontiac has pulled the plug on it's program.

The Dodge

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0085/2764/nationwide_cot_feature.jpg

The Toyota

http://www.jayski.com/nationwide/2008/images/090808-cot-toyota.jpg


The Ford they were testing

http://www.jayski.com/nationwide/2008/images/090808-cot-ford.jpg


The Chevy

http://amadeo.blog.com/repository/86674/3488567.jpg

The Koni series Riley-Camaro

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj114/powertvmedia/SEMA%2008/Camaro/GS/IMG_2728.jpg

With the WIN ON SUNDAY thinking, IMHO since FORD is going MUSTANG - it would make sense for DODGE to go Challenger and GM to go CAMARO -- BRING on the AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR against the 'YODA~

With the WIN ON SUNDAY thinking, IMHO since FORD is going MUSTANG - it would make sense for DODGE to go Challenger and GM to go CAMARO -- BRING on the AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR against the 'YODA~

ok ok i know I just do not even watch it anymore, but i thought it was always susposed to be a sedan style american car?

ok ok i know I just do not even watch it anymore, but i thought it was always susposed to be a sedan style american car?

it's called nasCrap for a reason... the cars and the racing is crap. the truck series is the only thing interesting anymore... Want some good racing? Turn on a Grand-Am race... the last 4 races have been decided by less than a second at the line.

The "CUP" has always been that...but the Nationwide/Busch series IMHO should have it's OWN identity.

Why have 2 series that LOOK and FEEL the same? It's kind of confusing for those who are casual watchers.

One of the criticisms I hear about NASCAR a lot (From non-enthusiasts) is WHY they are watching FAMILY CARS instead of PERFORMANCE Cars.

IMHO Running the Performance type cars on the OVALS could get them a little bigger piece of the marketing Pie.

This article seems to show that Ford and NASCAR might actually be serious about going this direction. This would naturally bring in the Camaro and Challenger body styles – or at least some insanely corrupted versions like this nasty Mustang image. (....who did NASCAR say was doing meth?)
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/28/ford-mustang-is-officially-nascar-bound-in-the-nationwide-seri/

John Forces Mustangs look more believable than that thing. The fact that a funny car needs to be stable and “hooked up” at 330mph at least make the whole “body distortion thing” understandable for the average fan. But this Nationwide Mustang only leaves you feeling like they (NASCAR & FORD) think we’re all just plain stupid, and that we’ll enjoy watching virtually anything race, as long as it makes racecar noises. It’s just more of their “one fit’s all” philosophy to make tech inspections easier for themselves and “aero equality” less of an issue. Pretty sad in my opinion.
http://www.0-60mag.com/online/?p=5912

I hate sounding like a negative person - because I'm not. It's just that they (NASCAR, IRL, Grand Am etc) are giving us so little to get excited about. Just more kit cars.

Dale - Protoform

Atleast Grand-Am has cars that look like their production counterparts. You'd think the manufacturers would put more stock into that series, because you can atleast tell what the car is.

Wouldn't it save like a bazillion dollars to go back to the old days?
Send all the teams to the local showroom right before 1st practice every week and buy one off the lot.
They'd stimulate the local economy to boot!

That's racin!

Wouldn't it save like a bazillion dollars to go back to the old days?
Send all the teams to the local showroom right before 1st practice every week and buy one off the lot.
They'd stimulate the local economy to boot!

That's racin!

Not real safe though...LOL:thumbsup:

I know, and it would kinda be like watching paint dry.

I know, and it would kinda be like watching paint dry.

Almost no different than trying to watch a race the way things are...

Thank God for R/C carpet oval racing!

I like te idea of show room cars then the junk that the car makers have put out would run better and last longer the nascar cars now are all made for racing like a saturday night late model

I like te idea of show room cars then the junk that the car makers have put out would run better and last longer the nascar cars now are all made for racing like a saturday night late model


I don't know what you drive, but having worked in a GM Dealership Garage for 10 years, I have to say "MOTOR WISE" we had VERY FEW failures due to Mechanical DEFECT.

Yeah, there were a few!! But quite frankly, it was very common to see cars go well over 200,000 miles with only minor high dollar repairs. (Mostly Transmission and/or FUEL system issues.)

Not that they are used as RACE Cars, but I have a 1995 F O R D Escort wagon that I use to haul my gear to the races. Bought it NEW in Feb 1995, it's got 230,000 miles on it, and STILL runs strong and STILL gets 32 MPG @ 75 Mph "LOADED" w/ all my racing and race directing equipment...

My Original 1985 Escort went 300,000+ before I sold it, and the only thing EVER done to it was replacing the original TIMING BELT @ 70,000, and changing the OIL ever 3500 miles.

I don't know what you drive, but having worked in a GM Dealership Garage for 10 years, I have to say "MOTOR WISE" we had VERY FEW failures due to Mechanical DEFECT.

Yeah, there were a few!! But quite frankly, it was very common to see cars go well over 200,000 miles with only minor high dollar repairs. (Mostly Transmission and/or FUEL system issues.)

Not that they are used as RACE Cars, but I have a 1995 F O R D Escort wagon that I use to haul my gear to the races. Bought it NEW in Feb 1995, it's got 230,000 miles on it, and STILL runs strong and STILL gets 32 MPG @ 75 Mph "LOADED" w/ all my racing and race directing equipment...

My Original 1985 Escort went 300,000+ before I sold it, and the only thing EVER done to it was replacing the original TIMING BELT @ 70,000, and changing the OIL ever 3500 miles.

Just goes to show what can happen if you take care of your car. To many people these days don't want to do the maintenance and then complain if it doesn't last very long.
I am still driving my 97 Escort with 130,000 miles on it and still get 35 mpg.
Did the timing belt at 100,000 and replaced the alternator last week. Great car with lots of room for the RC stuff.:thumbsup:

1993 Ford Explorer 260,000 miles and still running. 2007 Sold to a friend and still going strong. Yes I took care of it. Only once left me on the side of the road. The emergency fuel pump switch opened up on my way to the Snowbirds. Got 21 mpg highway.

1994 GMC Safari only 249,000 miles on it.Bought it from Irrgang(he bought it new)about 3 years ago with 225,000.Just change the oil and rotate the tires and it keeps on going.Shortly after I bought it he was on his way to a race(I was there and had to take him home-offered to let him drive it) and his new van broke down.I offered to sell it back to him for just a small profit.

Funny, my nephew's 2005 Explorer that has been maintained by the book just had 2 radiators, a power steering pump and front hub go out in the past year. Think I'll keep my Honda (made in Ohio) :)

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That "Mustang" is one of the ugliest "race cars" I've ever seen. The roof is too tall/wide for a "Mustang". The 3/4 window is all wrong. It just doesn't appeal to me. "Pony cars" do not belong in NASCAR's top two series. Camaros, Challengers, and Mustangs? Nah. It's not for me.

This is what they should look like....

http://www.mustangblogger.com/files/images/caddell.img_assist_custom.jpg

I don't know what you drive, but having worked in a GM Dealership Garage for 10 years, I have to say "MOTOR WISE" we had VERY FEW failures due to Mechanical DEFECT.

Yeah, there were a few!! But quite frankly, it was very common to see cars go well over 200,000 miles with only minor high dollar repairs. (Mostly Transmission and/or FUEL system issues.)

Not that they are used as RACE Cars, but I have a 1995 F O R D Escort wagon that I use to haul my gear to the races. Bought it NEW in Feb 1995, it's got 230,000 miles on it, and STILL runs strong and STILL gets 32 MPG @ 75 Mph "LOADED" w/ all my racing and race directing equipment...

My Original 1985 Escort went 300,000+ before I sold it, and the only thing EVER done to it was replacing the original TIMING BELT @ 70,000, and changing the OIL ever 3500 miles.

IF GM so great why do you drive a escort I work at a used car lot and we are fixing the newer stuff from the big three all with less than 50,000 on them not drive train stuff safty things like front end wheel bearing if the and now we are off the topic if cars had to run stock in nascar they would look and run a lot differant

IF GM so great why do you drive a escort I work at a used car lot and we are fixing the newer stuff from the big three all with less than 50,000 on them not drive train stuff safty things like front end wheel bearing if the and now we are off the topic if cars had to run stock in nascar they would look and run a lot differant

two bottles of excedrin and my head still aches

sbrady,

I DRIVE a FORD, because I liked the cars...

I have owned GM, FORD, Suzuki and HONDA

My FORDS include

1955 Fairlane - MODED 390 - Tri Power - C6 - Narrow 9" rear End - 4 wheel Disc Brakes - that was my High School HOT ROD!

Currently I still have my *Suzuki (GEO) Metro and my ESCORT (Bought both in 94/94)

My GMC Van got Totalled - (I'd love to have another)

we also have a 1985 CHEVY 2wd C10 (Silverado) with a Early 90's 350 Crate Motor - Fuel Injection and Rebuilt pretty much from the ground up. (The now belongs to my 17 yr old son)


(IT Looks good - but the gas mileage SUCKS) but it tows the drivers stand to the local races once a month!! )

Wife has a 2008 HONDA Accord

As far as WHY a FORD when I worked on GM's....

WELL - the story I told was - I DRIVE A FORD...cause I spend ALL DAY WORKING on GM Cars. (But as I said, we didn't have much catastrophic failures....read ENGINES!!)

The Wheel Bearings, and other smaller stuff - YEAH! Fail But 99% of that stuff was warranty and it was covered!

in so far as the SUBJECT AT HAND "2010 NATIONWIDE COT's" -- does anyone really care?

The drivers will drive ANYTHING they get paid to DRIVE

If the cars / rules are decent, and they have a decent TIRE - the racing will be GOOD regardless of HOW Nice or UGLY the cars look.

I always enjoy these trends of 1. As if one person's own experience defines the quality of the other 1 million items sold.

No matter how many miles a handful of people manage to squeeze out of a mid 90s Escort it doesn't by any means make it a good car. Whether it's an engine or wheel bearing when it's broken the car still isn't getting from point A to B.

I liked the look of the cars posted on page 1. That being said I've never really understood why the look of the cars affects people's experience watching the races. Who cares what they look like. The reality is the racing sucks and in general I think more and more people are losing interest.

PLEASE let the cars have some technology. Less weight, more horsepower, better handling and technological differences between the brands. Then it might become interesting. Who knows maybe then GM, Ford, Chrysler could actually learn something from racing that they could apply to their street cars as the European manufacturers do.

LOL Pat,

As a GM Mechanic for 10 years, and over 10 years in LARGE Fleets, my "trend of 1" would go way beyond MY personal experience with any car...however I didn't realize I'd need to put a disclaimer

Results may not be typical, your results may vary. Check with other people to see what their results may or maynot have been with similar vehicles, news at 11:00.

LOL Pat,

As a GM Mechanic for 10 years, and over 10 years in LARGE Fleets, my "trend of 1" would go way beyond MY personal experience with any car...however I didn't realize I'd need to put a disclaimer

Results may not be typical, your results may vary. Check with other people to see what their results may or maynot have been with similar vehicles, news at 11:00.

Just because my post was under yours doesn't mean it was a response to you! :p Was a response to the "my brand X car has X miles so they are good" posts before. It's not all about you lol!

/...it's ok, I just wanted to put in my invisible disclaimer!

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Real image of the 2010 NATIONWIDE COT MUSTANG.

gggaaaaaarrrrrrbbbaaagggeeeee..

LOL

.....just.... WOW. Or should it be...Why?

Boy - they really put a lot of time and thought into the rear spoiler shape and the way that its mounted. :hat: Nasty stuff.

I think I'll buy stocks in: http://www.pepto-bismol.com/


Dale

The Cup cars are starting to look a lot better now that we see the new Nationwide cars.

Gary Mcallister

.....just.... WOW. Or should it be...Why?

Boy - they really put a lot of time and thought into the rear spoiler shape and the way that its mounted. :hat: Nasty stuff.

I think I'll buy stocks in: http://www.pepto-bismol.com/


Dale

If you tip a pepto bismol bottle on it's side you get a close resemblance to the COT Nationwide car.

That "mating together" of a COT chassis and a Mustang or a Challenger body style kinda reminds me of the series that Conan used to do on his tv show, with his "IF THEY MATED" images. :drunk:

http://www.nbc.com/Late_Night_with_Conan_O'Brien/fan_favorites/iftheymated/

Dale

One of ford's better idear's "NOT"

Until fans stops showing up & supporting.....:rolleyes:

Well, if the racing is better, it'll look beautiful.

maybe i'm old and my eyes are going a bit bad,but i kinda like these.sure do look better then the cot(crap on tires).

Reguardless of what the cars look like someone is not going to like it. The true NASCAR fans will continue to attend and watch the races.

Yea, I'm a true NASCAR fan... I actually liked the racing back in the late 80's Early 90's... The stuff I grew up watching. This crap now is a shell of itself. The double file restarts are the only thing making a race interesting anymore.

The true NASCAR fans will continue to attend and watch the races.No, they won't. I was a "true" RACE fan for years, up until about when the "sport" left the SPORT of racing and it became all about entertainment and $$$. I grew up with a race car in my garage; we ran the local weekly short tracks. Sunday afternoons were for sitting down and relaxing, watching the NASCAR races on TV. Then...NA$CAR decided that "Saturday night races" would be good. The local tracks that were around wherever the NA$CAR boys were running would close for that week, so their local crowds could go and see the big boys run. It hurt the weekly tracks. Then, weekly tracks that weren't even *close* to where the Cup guys were running on a Saturday night would close, because they'd lose money from people staying home to watch the race on TV (ummm, DVR, Tivo, VCR, people...). Then...NA$CAR started telling "their" drivers what they could and couldn't say on TV. They started taking "creative control" away from chassis and body builders ("common template" from about seven or eight years ago?). "Stock cars" got further and further away from "stock" cars. Right about when they brought in the Ford Taurus ('98 season) is when I said I wouldn't watch any more NA$CAR races. Even back then, you couldn't go into a Ford dealership and purchase a V8-powered, two-door, rear-wheel-drive Ford Taurus. Today, you certainly and simply cannot purchase a 2-door, rear-wheel-drive, V8-powered Toyota Camry. Now, with this "Mustang" thing, you might be able to go in to a Ford dealer and buy a V8-powered, rear-wheel-drive 2-door Mustang, but it certainly won't look anything like what's in that picture. "Pony cars" shouldn't be running in NA$CAR. They should still be the mid-sized "family cars" that are recognizable as such. The pony cars like the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger should be either road racing or short track weekly racing.

Oh - and somewhere in that article, I believe, it's said that a Mustang never competed in NA$CAR or something along those lines. I say "Bulls***". Back in the early '70s, NA$CAR didn't have enough cars to fill a Grand National (today's Sprint Cup) field at one of their still many short track races. So they allowed what was called Grand American ("pony cars" such as the Camaro, Mustang, and Javelin) cars to compete along with the regular Grand National cars. Bobby Allison went on to win the race - in a Mustang - and was credited (or not credited, depending on who or what you believe) with a *Grand National* (Sprint Cup) win in that Mustang. Richard Petty was second in his big Dodge, and I ebelive was credited with the *Grand National* win, since he was the first Grand National car to cross the stripe.