What are guy's finding out with the dynamic frontend vs the R5,good,bad,advantage,disadvantage,problems,curren t conversions,etc...

the new r5 front end is money!

The new R5 front-end in one word :

AWESOME!

Get use to it.
It will soon be on every 10th,12th scale pan car.
Some people find the lower arms to be a bit on the flimsy side.

I like it!

from the outside it looks much the same. how about details. too bad the chinese influence made it metric.

from the outside it looks much the same. how about details. too bad the chinese influence made it metric.

At first look the front-end looks the same to the eye but the roll center is lower on the new R5 front-end.

What does this mean?
There is less camber change on the new front-end.:thumbsup:

I Like it, but the same car with the old front end was just as fast and handled just as good.

I Like it, but the same car with the old front end was just as fast and handled just as good.

I think you will notice a bigger difference on tighter flat tracks.
Less body roll.
Just my 2 cents.

kevin they took every trick that has ever been done to a old school front end by all the top racers and came up with what is now the new front end...i think it takes longer now to screw it together than it does working on it to make it smooth...yes i have seen the lower arms break at the pivot ball...

can you count the money that has been thrown at the old front end..castor block..bump stops..pins...clips..king pins...now it's all there and so easy to make changes on it...most parts are 3.00 or less

rumor has it....A&E have stopped supporting the old front end....if you liked it..i would buy up what i find

I beleive kat is correct about the old fronts. We are in the process of machining Delrin Lower Arms. Just a FYI.

I beleive kat is correct about the old fronts. We are in the process of machining Delrin Lower Arms. Just a FYI.

For which front end?

For which front end?
R5 frontend

:thumbsup:For which front end?

yes Delrin lower R5 arms.

Scott Call me

:thumbsup:

yes Delrin lower R5 arms.

Scott Call me

Not bashing here, but what advantage does your machined delrin lower arms have over the $3.00 Associated part? The Asc part has good tolerances and it's flex is just right to have the assembly work well.

Not bashing here, but what advantage does your machined delrin lower arms have over the $3.00 Associated part? The Asc part has good tolerances and it's flex is just right to have the assembly work well.

We are making them for our team guys, Our Black Mamba front end come with the AE lower arms, just doing it to to make a stronger piece and to control the tolerances better!

Anyone gona make a castor block to fit the R5 front with the 3 hole adjustments?

Jake

I drew up new RIP plates that accept the old castor blocks and upper A-Arms with the R5 Lower A-Arms. Just an option for the guys who prefer different castor blocks. Not sure when they will be available.

I drew up new RIP plates that accept the old castor blocks and upper A-Arms with the R5 Lower A-Arms. Just an option for the guys who prefer different castor blocks. Not sure when they will be available.

Can you guys make just a block with the 0,5,10 and the 3 hole adjust?

Jake

Anyone gona make a castor block to fit the R5 front with the 3 hole adjustments?

Jake

Check out the T2Cool Black Mamba front end, it is very nice with 3 hole castor blocks and the ability to lead or trail the castor block.

Check out the T2Cool Black Mamba front end, it is very nice with 3 hole castor blocks and the ability to lead or trail the castor block.

Got it covered.

Jake

Can you guys make just a block with the 0,5,10 and the 3 hole adjust?

Jake

If you put 3 holes, the geometry is completely thrown off when you run 5 or 10 degrees of reactive castor. You can either make a multi-hole castor block or one with 0-5-10 degrees of reactive. The combination of both won't work correctly.

If you put 3 holes, the geometry is completely thrown off when you run 5 or 10 degrees of reactive castor. You can either make a multi-hole castor block or one with 0-5-10 degrees of reactive. The combination of both won't work correctly.

Can you explain what you mean by "thrown off"?

Has anyone else found the pivot balls to fit real tight???

Can you explain what you mean by "thrown off"?

If I get some time at work today, I will draw an example.:thumbsup:

Lets say that you start out with 0 degrees of reactive caster, and 4 degrees of caster. When you roll the block forward (5 or 10 degrees of reactive caster), you loose some caster. If it where a three holed block, as you move the arm up to flatten it out, you loose even more caster because of the block being angled forward. I hope that makes sense, and I think that's what Frank is talking about.

The ones in the shock ends were a Booger-Bear !!
My pivot ball tool was too big in diameter to fit them.
Has anyone else found the pivot balls to fit real tight???

we check them all first we do find some that are tight, so we throw those arms away. we have about 200 sets of R5 arms that we go through to get it right.

Lets say that you start out with 0 degrees of reactive caster, and 4 degrees of caster. When you roll the block forward (5 or 10 degrees of reactive caster), you loose some caster. If it where a three holed block, as you move the arm up to flatten it out, you loose even more caster because of the block being angled forward. I hope that makes sense, and I think that's what Frank is talking about.

Yes, that is what I was getting at. I explain better with drawings...lol. Thanks!

Well that makes sense but I just do not see that as making the geometry "Completely thrown off." Given that the LF starts with less static caster and also travels much less than the RF I do not see this as much of an issue. Of course thats my opinion fwiw. LOL. I ran the T2C Mamba front end this past weekend with the LF in the top hole and in the 10 deg position and it seemed to work fine. Thanks for the explanation. Bob

The ones in the shock ends were a Booger-Bear !!


Once the pivot balls are in the plastic shock ends, they'll need a small squeeze with pliers to make them move freely.

The same pivots are used in the R5 t-plate sockets and all that I have tried worked great.

I haven't had any issues with the R5 lower arms and the stock AE pivot balls. Fit nice and work well.

Has anyone else found the pivot balls to fit real tight???

Yep one is great one is tight as hell.Bottom arms .

Jake

Once the pivot balls are in the plastic shock ends, they'll need a small squeeze with pliers to make them move freely.

The same pivots are used in the R5 t-plate sockets and all that I have tried worked great.

I haven't had any issues with the R5 lower arms and the stock AE pivot balls. Fit nice and work well.

This helped but did not cure it for me I will give it another try.

What all would you need to change over to the new r5 front end, the whole thing, or just upper and lower arms.
dave

on a chassie other than a R5,upper and lower arms,RIP or Hyperdrive bottom alum mount,the nuts to hold the lower arms on,r5 castor block.

Jake

T2Cool has a R5 style front end that is manufactured to fit the Dynamic front end holes.

A pic of the RIP conversion.Sorry the pics kinda suck.

Jake

Thanks for the help guys
dave

T2Cool has a R5 style front end that is manufactured to fit the Dynamic front end holes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylJUcJE562E

rumor has it....A&E have stopped supporting the old front end....if you liked it..i would buy up what i find

That's not true. From the horses mouth, Today, Associated will still continue to support the old front end and produce parts for it.

-E

Both front-ends work great.

The new front-end has all the tricks built in.
The old front-end can work good but takes more work to get it right.

This is why I like the new front-end.:thumbsup:

do they make a black mamba front end for the new chassis like the pro 4 and rc10r5

the t2c front end will fit only the old style front holes,not the r5,but does'nt the pro 4
come with the r5 front end

The Pro 4 Slider does.

the Black Mamba Caster Blocks work onthe R5 metric bolt pattern coverting them to basically the R5 then you can use the delrin arms

tey are available either here as an option
http://www.two2cool.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BM1000&CartID=0

or from Left Hander RC.

since they use the lower control arm t nuts as a mounting position you can basically convert any R5 Style coversion or factory R50 to these caster blocks! you can also see from the video that the Geometry is working in all levels.

Thanks for the support!