View Full Version : New Black Beauty..............


falcondesigns
07-23-2009, 01:52 PM
from the movie next summer.................

John P
07-23-2009, 04:13 PM
Woo!

Miniguns!

Zorro
07-23-2009, 04:24 PM
I'm surprised that they would keep the Dean Jeffries design. Does the new movie take place in the Sixties?

falcondesigns
07-23-2009, 04:44 PM
Nobody knows yet.................If Seth Rogan stars in this I wont be seeing it.It would be like putting a Superman costume on Lou Costello!On the Black Beauty....can you be any more unimaginative.....we have the car from the 60's...,it's an Icon.Do something different.

BEBruns
07-23-2009, 04:47 PM
What is the source of this? Considering that the movie hasn't begun filming, they just hired a new director, and Kato hasn't even been cast yet, I find it unlikely that they would even have built the new car, let alone displayed it to the public.

falcondesigns
07-23-2009, 05:02 PM
Well,It's a big black car on display at the San Diego ComiCon going on this weekend.I would think that's offical enough,dont you?This one is by Anthony Taylor of FabGear USA.

falcondesigns
07-23-2009, 07:51 PM
.........

LGFugate
07-23-2009, 08:08 PM
It looks like a Transformer.. (An Autobot, of course!):rolleyes:

Larry

Zorro
07-23-2009, 08:28 PM
.........

Ok. So it's a comedy? I mean, he's got to be a better actor than than Van Williams. And I'm not yet convinced that's the "Official" Black Beauty for the movie just because it was used for promotion at the San Diego ComiCon. Though if the movie is a comedy ....

falcondesigns
07-23-2009, 08:38 PM
Do the words"Next Summer" mean anything to you?

Zorro
07-23-2009, 08:59 PM
Do the words"Next Summer" mean anything to you?

Well yeah, but I don't really have time to get into a philisophical discussion.

Looks like you're right. Just found this:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=153252

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0722/picture.6.500.jpg

falcondesigns
07-23-2009, 09:14 PM
Pimp my Black Beauty......

Zorro
07-23-2009, 09:16 PM
I think we're overdue for an intentionally funny Superhero movie.

iamweasel
07-23-2009, 11:54 PM
I think we're overdue for an intentionally funny Superhero movie.

Hard to believe they were that bad by accident.

falcondesigns
07-24-2009, 02:31 AM
I think we're overdue for an intentionally funny Superhero movie.

That's like saying "lets redo the Bourne Saga with music"

beatlepaul
07-24-2009, 08:43 AM
I think we're overdue for an intentionally funny Superhero movie.



Yeah, But make up a new one if you want to do it that way:confused:

The Green Hornet done right could be another Iron Man/Dark Night.

Of course, not with that slob Seth Rogan in it.

He should just keep doing his Teen/Smut Films.......:cool:

beatlepaul
07-24-2009, 08:47 AM
Ok. So it's a comedy? I mean, he's got to be a better actor than than Van Williams. And I'm not yet convinced that's the "Official" Black Beauty for the movie just because it was used for promotion at the San Diego ComiCon. Though if the movie is a comedy ....

Nonsense.

Van Williams was actually a VERY GOOD Green Hornet.

Seth Rogan a better actor??
Again, perhaps in those Soft core Porn Junk Movies he makes...which isn't saying much.

Zorro
07-24-2009, 09:31 AM
Nonsense.

Van Williams was actually a VERY GOOD Green Hornet.

Seth Rogan a better actor??
Again, perhaps in those Soft core Porn Junk Movies he makes...which isn't saying much.

I've never seen Rogan in anything but there's a reason "The Green Hornet" didn't last more than a season. I wouldn't lay that entirely on Williams' shoulders but he wasn't exactly what you'd call "charismatic". Adam West on the other hand was absolutely brilliant in his comedic take on Batman. If it worked for Batman, it can certainly work here. I'm actually more interested in this film as a comedy than I would be if it were done "straight". And I say that as someone who considers "The Dark Knight" to be a masterpiece of the genre.

beatlepaul
07-24-2009, 10:05 AM
I've never seen Rogan in anything but there's a reason "The Green Hornet" didn't last more than a season. I wouldn't lay that entirely on Williams' shoulders but he wasn't exactly what you'd call "charismatic". Adam West on the other hand was absolutely brilliant in his comedic take on Batman. If it worked for Batman, it can certainly work here. I'm actually more interested in this film as a comedy than I would be if it were done "straight". And I say that as someone who considers "The Dark Knight" to be a masterpiece of the genre.

Apples and Oranges....

The Green Hornet was an Hour long story cramed into a 1/2 time slot..That's the reason it failed.

William's charater of Brit Reed/Green Hornet was actually a tougher role to pull off. He did the best he could.I have seen some of his other work and he was a good actor.
Adam West was Brilliant as Batman and he will always be my Favorite actor in the role.

Again, I say come up with something Original if you want to make a comedy/Superhero Movie...But then again I am not a overpaid Yuppie yes man in Hollwierd:freak:

The-Nightsky
07-24-2009, 10:23 AM
Yes!!!!!

IndyRC_Racer
07-24-2009, 10:33 AM
Internet Movie Database lists Seth Rogan as Britt Reid in the 2010 version of The Green Hornet. Cameron Diaz and Nicolas Cage appear in the cast, but have no character credit. More info here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0990407/)

I should add that there are additional photos of the car on IMDB such as this one (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm219842560/tt0990407)

beatlepaul
07-24-2009, 12:09 PM
BACK ON TOPIC..TO THE THE BLACK BEAUTY...

Personally, I love that they were at least smart enough to use the original design..

Some designs are Timeless..The Seaview, Disney Nautilus, Original Batmobile, Jupiter 2....Design a new car? Rubbish! Sometimes you don't have to reinvent the wheel!!!(Love ya Falcon!!)

Who Cares if it's not set in the 1960's????

The Black Beauty(Black ugly, as Van Williams called it LOL..) Is really the star!

falcondesigns
07-24-2009, 01:02 PM
They've built ten of them for the movie allready....

Carson Dyle
07-24-2009, 01:45 PM
Maybe it's because I liked Michael Keaton as Batman, but I'm inclined not to dismiss Rogan in the Hornet role simply because he's a comedic actor. Guy drops a few pounds he might just pull it off.

As for the Black Beauty, I'm with beatlepaul; the original design is timeless (and appropriately badass) and I'm happy the producers didn't feel compelled to fix something that wasn't busted.

Lou Dalmaso
07-24-2009, 03:17 PM
I'm glad to hear that what they're showing at Comicon IS the finished car.

I remember that the earliest draped teaser for the first Transformers movie was a flat nosed classic semi for Prime. not so for the movie

seaQuest
07-24-2009, 04:41 PM
Remember, this movie was supposed to be made in the late 90's with George Clooney. It was all set to go when Joel Schumacher wanted Clooney for Batman & Robin, and back then it was like "Whatever Schumacher wants, Schumacher gets!" It's gone into turnaround more times than a carnival Tilt-A-Whirl.

I saw some pre-production art a couple days ago, and it looks like they're going to go with the costume design of the 40's serials, with the Green Hornet wearing a lower-face mask instead of a glasses-type variation of a domino mask as Van Williams wore.

On the subject of Van Williams' acting ability, I've always thought he was excellent as the Hornet/ Britt Ried. It's just that after Hornet was cancelled, he decided he wanted to do something that he considered more rewarding. He became a Malibu policeman.

Also, that year (66-67), ABC also cancelled the show on right after Hornet, The Time Tunnel. They were about to cancel Batman when Dozier and Horwitz made the now-famous Batgirl presentation film that sold the network on a third season.

John P
07-24-2009, 05:05 PM
Everything looks better with miniguns. :D

http://inpayne.com/temp/jennifer003.jpg
http://inpayne.com/temp/jennifer022.jpg

iamweasel
07-24-2009, 05:51 PM
Using the styling of the original Black Beauty is probably a good idea, she still looks very good for the job no matter the year or actual type of Green Hornet movie. Unlike, say, using the '66 Batmobile in Burtons Batman movies, which would have seriously looked out of place. (And there was a group of folks who cried pretty loudly because they didn't use it too, when the preview Batmobile photos came out)

Zorro
07-24-2009, 06:29 PM
"Sometimes you have to go a long way to get back to where you started," Rogen told MTV News about the choosing of the car. "We went to a lot of major auto manufacturers who pitched different designs and different futuristic takes on it. To us, it was important that it seem like a guy could actually build this car, that it was something you could use on the streets. We ended up falling back on the original '66 Chrysler Imperial."

Old_McDonald
07-24-2009, 06:48 PM
Well yeah, but I don't really have time to get into a philisophical discussion.

Looks like you're right. Just found this:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=153252

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0722/picture.6.500.jpg


Sad to say that this car reminds me of Superfly's caddy. Once again, a great icon is bastardized.

Zorro
07-24-2009, 07:05 PM
Sad to say that this car reminds me of Superfly's caddy. Once again, a great icon is bastardized.

Great Icon:
http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1966/BlackBeauty/1966ImperialBlackBeauty03.jpg

Bastardized Icon:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0722/picture.3.500.jpg

Yep. They really did a number on it. It's almost as bad as the new Enterprise.

Lou Dalmaso
07-24-2009, 07:28 PM
^^ doesn't look all that different to me (outside of the big guns up top)...but will they still use the flight of the bumblebee music?

falcondesigns
07-24-2009, 07:35 PM
^^ doesn't look all that different to me (outside of the big guns up top)...but will they still use the flight of the bumblebee music?

The first one is a stylized custom by a Master Craftsman,the second one is a bad art car.

Carson Dyle
07-24-2009, 07:43 PM
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0722/picture.3.500.jpg

You know, until just now I thought I'd been looking at pix of the toy version of the movie vehicle.

Krel
07-24-2009, 08:38 PM
Ever since I first read about them trying to do a GH movie back in 86, I have eagerly been waiting for the film. Every thing I am seeing and reading about this production is turning my anticipation into dread. Looks like another one I will wait for it to come on tv to watch.

I agree with Carson Dyle, the new Black Beauty looks like a toy version of a real vehicle. The Black Beauty is suppose to be discreet, classy, not gaudy.

The Imperial is a big car, no, an enormous car. But even it doesn't have enough space in the cavernous engine compartment for mini-guns, not to mention the space for all of the ammo. In the show, the Black Beauty had rocket launchers, both front, and rear firing. Front and rear gas guns. A mortar, and flying probe in the trunk. Oil slick jets, drop-down brushes to eliminate tire tracks, and a laser. The laser was not original equipment, the GH captured it from a villain. She didn't need something as mundane as a machine gun.

The BB in the show had two sets of headlights. Normal ones, and green ones for night vision. The green panel above the steering wheel was for the night vision.

ABC didn't cancel "The Green Hornet", Dozier did. ABC wanted the show, but only as a half-hour program. Dozier, and others found it too hard to do half-hour crime programs, and when the studio, and network wouldn't budge, he canceled it.

Irwin Allen used to say that the network renewed "Time Tunnel", but they couldn't go on as they ran out of historical stock-footage that they could use. :lol:

Van Williams tells a story about the Black Beauty. The car was originally finished with multiple layers of hand applied black lacquer. It was beautiful you could look for miles into that finish, it was that deep. He said it was big and beautiful, just like a hood's car should be. Although the show used a lot of day-for-night filming, the pilot was filmed at night, and there was the problem. They wheeled the car out, and it reflected every light for miles around! It couldn't be filmed, so they wheeled it into the paint shop and painted over that gorgeous finish with flat black paint.

David.

Zorro
07-24-2009, 11:27 PM
^^ doesn't look all that different to me (outside of the big guns up top)

My thoughts exactly.

Looks like the newer version maintains a bit more of the original chrome.

1966 Chrysler Imperial:

http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1966/SpottersGuide/grille.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0722/picture.3.500.jpg
http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1966/Hawkins/66LeBaron/66rear.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0722/picture.7.500.jpg

John P
07-25-2009, 09:26 AM
I showed this to a friend who's a real serious GH fan. He said "It's the wrong model Imperial!"

:lol:

Zorro
07-25-2009, 10:48 AM
I showed this to a friend who's a real serious GH fan. He said "It's the wrong model Imperial!"

:lol:

Well, I definitely ain't no car guy. The above posted photos are of the LeBaron. Jeffries used the Crown Coupe. But the front and back chrome on all three appear to be to be utterly the same.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/1966ChryslerImperial.jpg/200px-1966ChryslerImperial.jpg (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/File:1966ChryslerImperial.jpg) http://www.hobbytalk.com/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/File:1966ChryslerImperial.jpg)
1966 Imperial Crown Coupe


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/1966_Imperial.jpg/200px-1966_Imperial.jpg (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/File:1966_Imperial.jpg) http://www.hobbytalk.com/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/File:1966_Imperial.jpg)
1966 Imperial Crown convertible.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/1966ChryslerImperialRear.jpg/200px-1966ChryslerImperialRear.jpg (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/File:1966ChryslerImperialRear.jpg) http://www.hobbytalk.com/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/File:1966ChryslerImperialRear.jpg)
1966 Imperial LeBaron


1964-1966

In 1961, Chrysler scored a coup by hiring Elwood Engel (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/Elwood_Engel) away from Ford, where he had designed the 1961 Lincoln Continental (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/Lincoln_Continental) (the same type of car in which President Kennedy was assassinated). Engel's design themes at Chrysler were a far cry from the fins of Virgil Exner, and instead featured the more familiar "three-box" design with more rectangular, angular cars with straight-line styling. The 1964 Lincolns and 1964 Imperials bear many of the same design hallmarks. A split grille returned, and the fake spare tire bulge moved from the trunk lid to the rear, incorporating the rear bumper in a very squared-off lump. A large boss in the center of it was actually the fuel filler door, covered with a large Imperial Eagle, with chromed bars going outward that terminated in the taillights. The base Imperial Custom model was now gone; the cars were now available as Imperial Crown or Imperial LeBaron levels of trim in four-door hardtop sedan, two-door hardtop Crown Coupe, or convertible versions. The LeBaron during this period had a formal rear window (http://www.hobbytalk.com/w/index.php?title=Formal_rear_window&action=edit&redlink=1)—reduced in size.
Changes for 1965 were largely confined to the front fascia and to trim. The split grille was gone, replaced by a large chromed cross and surround, and the headlights were inset into the grill behind glass covers (similar to that year's Chrysler 300 (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/Chrysler_300_letter_series#1965_300L) and New Yorker models. 1966 saw a change to an egg-crate grill. Also introduced was the 440 cu in (7.2 L) engine (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/Chrysler_RB_engine#440) instead of the 413 cu in (6.8 L) that was standard from 1960.
Due to its large size and exceptional sturdiness, the Imperial is banned from many demolition derby (http://www.hobbytalk.com/wiki/Demolition_derby) events.


Here's a link on the "making of" the original Black Beauty.

http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1966/BlackBeauty/?http://www.geocities.com/denpeacock9412004/LRGHTimebridge1new.html

Seashark
07-27-2009, 12:14 AM
Well, it's closer to the original than the new Enterprise. I guess they wanted to keep more of the Imperial than was used in the original. It's okay, but Seth Rogen? Really?

I smell another Starsky & Hutch or Dukes of Hazzard, only time will tell.

SteveR
07-27-2009, 11:17 PM
They'd better keep the theme. Or at least do it up right.

Eric K
07-27-2009, 11:23 PM
They'd better keep the theme. Or at least do it up right.

I think a cool hip hop theme re-working "Flight of the Bumble Bee" ala Puff Daddy for Godzilla would work very well.

Jafo
07-28-2009, 11:27 AM
as long as its NOT will ferrell

Zorro
07-28-2009, 01:14 PM
as long as its NOT will ferrell

Well, they haven't cast the bad guy yet. :p

Krel
07-28-2009, 08:10 PM
I read on the Ain't It Cool site that the Green Hornet serials, "The Green Hornet", and "The Green Hornet Strikes Again", have been released on dvd. Been waiting for them to be released.

David.

JeffG
08-01-2009, 11:47 AM
I've no problem with the car. But for me, everything doesn't boil down to hardware, ship designs and 'stuff'. Is the rest of the movie gonna be a train wreck made into a comedy because they can't write a good, serious story i.e. Starsky & Hutch, Wild, Wild West? Typically, I have a wait and see approach and I've always thought an updated Green Hornet would be a cool idea. From the direction I'm seeing so far, I guess I was wrong.

terryr
08-11-2009, 05:21 PM
Didn't see this thread until now. That new grill is horrible. The old one flowed into the car. This one is stuck on top like a kit car add-on.
And what's with Hollywoods fascination with machine guns coming out of the fenders?

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/thegreenhornet/images/photos/blackbeauty4.jpg

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/thegreenhornet/images/photos/blackbeauty3.jpg

Eric K
08-11-2009, 06:46 PM
And what's with Hollywoods fascination with machine guns coming out of the fenders
I would figure that the fender area would be the least congested space to put such gear.

John P
08-11-2009, 10:18 PM
Not machine guns, but Mini Guns! Yeah baby! :D

terryr
08-12-2009, 04:46 PM
And a lazer on its head!!

Seeing some similarities between GH and Batman1989. Comedian as lead character, strange director, pimped out version of car, and Big STONKIN GUNS ON HOOD when original didn't use guns at all.

woof359
08-14-2009, 11:08 PM
I kinda like the Wild Wild West movie with Will Smith. Wood have liked a serious movie better,,,,,if done right, what are the chance they wood have got that right tho. Remember lost in space the movie...........................barf.