This might get struck from this forum since its such a touchy subject but it does pertain to NASCAR at its core.

I'm not a Mayfield fan. Nor for that matter have I been a big NASCAR fan since the Grand National days. I think they should still have to make 625 units to sell to the general public before they can race a particular car. But with thinking like that it would be like Americans having to buy clothes made in the USA before they could wear clothing....There'd be a lot of naked people running around....The NASCAR tracks would be empty as well. I do watch the races and still enjoy them but it don't say much anymore about the manufacturers. With that said I'd like to pose some questions to some of you who may have more insight about the sport than myself as to what the heck is going on with this Mayfield ban.

When I first heard about it I thought "DANG!!! Another idiot that had it made and blew it." But then I got to looking at the big picture. The biggest part of that picture being the drug in question. Ever known a meth head? Ever known a 10 year frequent user meth head? NO! You haven't cause they are all dead! Questions for those who have known a meth head: Have you ever known one that just uses it occasionally? NO! Its pretty much an all consuming past time. Have you ever known a meth head after one year of use? They don't look like Mayfield. Their teeth are rotten, weight loss, sores, shakes, loss of interest in anything other than the next fix. I just don't see that presented in Mayfield.

So the questions I would like to present for discussion are these or anymore you may think of or any other points y'all would like to make:

How could this happen?
Why is NASCAR so adiment about its stand against Mayfield?
Why will NASCAR not look at a second opinion?
Who did Mayfield PO?

PLEASE KEEP THIS CIVIL.

From what i've been reading is: This was dumped on Nascar's lap by a jealous step-mother (Mayfield's father is dead) whom was looking to cash in because she was broke.. This was quoted by Mayfield himself. From what i understand. He was re-instated, only to fail yet another test... So..... could there be some truth to it? His step-mom stated in a written affidavid to Nascar that he smoked meth on numerous occassions and it went back to as far as 2002 while he was with Everham. I've never been as Mayfield fan, and think he's more popular as the person he is than his driving ability. I hate to see this as being the truth, yet another black-eye for Nascar. Randall

I've seen where Mayfield's step mother has made numerous allegations against him. He claims she murdered his dad. Its a weired soap opera. Could she be the hub of the wheel? At the very least he's got a heck of a movie plot.

Does anyone know for sure if the test results for the two drugs he claims to take by script would show up as a false positive when looking for meth?

I hardly doubt it.... Bet when the dust settles, ppl will see that it probably was meth... Thats VERY serious allegations to be making w/o a strong backing.... What i can't figure out is: If he failed 1st test, clean-up, He should have known he was under-radar for more tests to come regardless if it was meth or not. Then to fail a second test for the same thing? Sounds like someone who has an addition to me? Just my .$02 Randall

Since I live in the heart of NASCAR country, about 40 miles due west of Charlotte, its been a pretty high profile subject with the news media around here. WBTV did an interview with Mayfield that was aired a couple days ago in which he came out and directly accused his step mom of hating him and conspiring to kill his dad. Pretty rough allegations indeed. He also said the same day as the first test he had a seperate indipendent drug test done by Lab Corp that came back negative but NASCAR wouldn't consider taking it into account. He's said he's had 15 tests done since the first and the only ones to come back positive for meth are the two done by NASCAR. NASCAR's David Black the drug test administrator says that the tests came back showing high levels of meth consistant with habitual use. NASCAR claims Mayfields independent test won't be considered because he failed to select a qualified lab. Lab Corp is a pretty big drug testing company around here. I'll bet they ain't too happy about NASCAR's statement about them.

The "high levels" and "habitual use" comment are what raises a red flag to me. I just don't see the physical signs in Mayfield other than just a perpetually bad hair cut. The ADD he evidently has would be something I'd consider a problem as far as driving a race car. I'm not a doctor so I don't know that much about ADD but it does seem that being able to keep your mind on what your doing would be a high consideration when behind the wheel of a car running up in the 200 mph range. But THAT isn't the issue NASCAR is addressing. Illegal drug use is and if they are wrong they're guilty of slander.

A comment made on the WBTV forum by someone who knew someone, who knew the step mother, made mention that "it sounds just like her. She will say or do anything to get what she wants." Mayfield says he is going to file a wrongful death suit against her.

I can't say he does or does not use. I just say he don't show it. This drug does leave a visible mark on "habitual" users; and I've never known anyone to use it 10 years and live. Maybe he's the exception.

Jeremy claims the drug adderall caused his positive result. so a friend of mine that has a daughter that takes adderall, and another friend that does drug testing on prison inmates put it to the test. They used a 10 panel urine specimen test, and she showed positive for meth, she is only 10 yrs old. So I still dont know what to think :confused:

Wow! She's one of the "thousand or so" Mayfield spoke of in the WBTV interview. (I spent all afternoon downloading the 20 minute interview. I hate dial up) I thought that was the most farfetched statement of the interview. Suppose not.

If you get a chance to see the interview on wbtv.com its worth watching. It makes me wonder if the "stepmother" might be behind this whole thing. I'm just not clear on the timeline starting from Mayfield's father's death to Mayfield being banned. Were it his stepmom that started this, it makes one wonder how gulable NASCAR is?

From Jayski...

An independent drug test on Jeremy Mayfield was negative for methamphetamines, contradicting the results of a NASCAR test taken 40 minutes earlier, the driver claimed in court documents filed Tuesday. In response to NASCAR's claim that Mayfield again tested positive for methamphetamines on July 6, Mayfield submitted an affidavit to the U.S. District Court that said he traveled to Frye Regional Medical Center in Hickory, N.C., right after NASCAR collected a sample at his Catawba County home. In a room he described as "very sterile," Mayfield said he emptied his pockets, washed his hands and was ushered into a bathroom, where he provided another urine sample. Mayfield said in the court filing he received confirmation from Laboratory Corporation of America in Raleigh, N.C., that his sample was negative on July 10 - the same day NASCAR informed his counsel that its sample was positive. Dr. Harold Schueler of the Broward County (Fla.) Medical Examiner's Office, filed an affidavit on behalf of Mayfield that claimed the levels of methamphetamine in NASCAR's test are "astronomical" and "could not be remotely accurate, unless Mr. Mayfield was deceased or a chronic abuser."


My question is this... would a Dr in the position he is in, stick his neck out like that knowing if he were lying, it could cost him his career? Probably not. I can't stand Jeremy, but I think he's getting the shaft.

I've watched the local news for the last week and there hasn't been a thing said about it. Infact seems the NASCAR shows like on SPEED etc. are going out of their way to avoid issue. I believe he will be vindicated because the accusations and the surrounding circumstances are so absurd. The aftermath will say much more about Mayfield's character when he wins his lawsuit against his "stepmother" and NASCAR. My personal character would dictate if she killed Mayfields dad, beyond reasonable doubt, she is executed. If she set it up? Life! The trigger man would be executed. There wouldn't be any negotiations on this. As far as NASCAR? Where we'd start would be.... Anyone involved with dragging my name through the mud would be fired and banned from ANYTHING to do with racing from cars to snails for life. As far as monitary compensation? I'd have enough to start a new, winning, team. Wheather I wanted to spend it that way would be at my discretion. I'd also be a part of the NASCAR sactioning body for life or as long as I wanted. But then; I'm a vindictive butt.:thumbsup:

The Mayfield Cup Series.....

ClearHooter said "I've watched the local news for the last week and there hasn't been a thing said about it. Infact seems the NASCAR shows like on SPEED etc. are going out of their way to avoid issue."

Doesn't surprise me at all. NASCAR will go to any lengths to "protect" what they think their image is. Remember Tim Richmond?

The Mayfield Cup Series.....

:D:D:D

I don't want to see anything bad...or worse happen in NASCAR than already has. It ain't been "stock car" racing since the "Grand Nationals." I think this is where the sport left its roots. NASCAR no longer proves anything about a manufacturer or marque. That is, so far, the worst thing that has happened to NASCAR as a sport. Now the closest thing to "stock car" racing anymore is Production Racing in the road course series. But NASCAR provides many, many jobs in my immediate area. I'd hate to see the sactioning body of the sport drug down and these jobs lost or jepordised due to some stupid action by someone wanting to make a point or carry out a stupid vendetta against somene who was innocent of the charges filed. I may be totally snookered by Mayfield but I just don't see him guilty of the charges made against him. If he is he's the greatest actor since Ronald Ragan.

ClearHooter said "I've watched the local news for the last week and there hasn't been a thing said about it. Infact seems the NASCAR shows like on SPEED etc. are going out of their way to avoid issue."

Doesn't surprise me at all. NASCAR will go to any lengths to "protect" what they think their image is. Remember Tim Richmond?

i dont remember

Tim Richmond died of AIDS!!!!! Randall

oh . Well thats not good .

A little more on Tim Richmond...... He raced for Rick Hendrick in the mid 80's...
He wasn't around a great while due to complications of bouts with pneumonia and such due to aids and being in and out of hospital. I have no doubts that he would have been a BIG star had his lifestyle not caught up to him... From what i've read about him, his flamboiant, playboy ways caught up with him... I don't think he was at all gay... Just was a ladies man...... He could run hard with the rest of them and gave Earnhardth many runs for his money and beat him a few times....... Anyone like to add anything more????? Fire away!!! Thanks, Randall

The cops arrested Mayfield's stepmom yesterday. Seems she lost it and went to Mayfield's house and caused a ruccuss. Mayfield had her arrested from what I understood. Anyone know any more?

I've known meth heads that have used from the 50's and 60's, mostly biker's some bad and some not....

I'm a NASCAR dude (hence my username) (bad pun :rolleyes:) I've followed Tony Stewart since his dirt track days. I also think Jeremy's a great driver with some major issues, addiction is a wicked thing, I pray he finds a way out of the madness! And stepmom too!

I've known meth heads that have used from the 50's and 60's, mostly biker's some bad and some not....

I'm a NASCAR dude (hence my username) (bad pun :rolleyes:) I've followed Tony Stewart since his dirt track days. I also think Jeremy's a great driver with some major issues, addiction is a wicked thing, I pray he finds a way out of the madness! And stepmom too!

I'm basing my judgment on the methheads I've know as well. Being one of the things I haven't tried I can't make a judgement from experience just observations. He just don't fit myobserved profile so I'm still not convinced he is, unless there is viable information I haven't been privy to.

I am pretty sure however ("repeat pretty sure") his step mom, is a case study for several different doctors.

A little more on Tim Richmond...... He raced for Rick Hendrick in the mid 80's...

Anyone like to add anything more????? Fire away!!! Thanks, Randall

if you go to the international motorsports HoF @ the Talladega track. you'll see a plaque up for Richmond. Pretty sad cause it says something like he died from a virus. I mean they could have said what it was. People near me thought he died from a cold/flu.

Decades ago NASCAR was interesting.
Car body styles had character then and Drivers had individual personalities.
Today everything looks the same so who cares!!!!!
"Did the Red one with Ovaltine written on it win or did the Red one with Office Depot written on it win??

Each car looks the same, Giant stadiums are built "Football League style" to bilk every dollar out of the fans, and everything is hype, hype, hype.

With Meth sweeping the eastern side of the country, perhaps this whole drama was concocted in hopes of attracting that portion of fans who use this illegal and hazardous product.
Remember, these events are not staged for our enjoyment but for their profit.

Heck, I say let em all shoot up before the race and then televise that sucker.
Should make for a very interesting Sunday afternoon of television and some hilarious on the spot interviews.

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Decades ago NASCAR was interesting.
Car body styles had character then and Drivers had individual personalities.
Today everything looks the same so who cares!!!!!
"Did the Red one with Ovaltine written on it win or did the Red one with Office Depot written on it win??

Each car looks the same, Giant stadiums are built "Football League style" to bilk every dollar out of the fans, and everything is hype, hype, hype.

With Meth sweeping the eastern side of the country, perhaps this whole drama was concocted in hopes of attracting that portion of fans who use this illegal and hazardous product.
Remember, these events are not staged for our enjoyment but for their profit.

Heck, I say let em all shoot up before the race and then televise that sucker.
Should make for a very interesting Sunday afternoon of television and some hilarious on the spot interviews.

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Wow Pat...Though not the most sarcastic thing I've ever read from you, the last two paragraphs ARE about the dumbest. You of all people should be able to relate to this question. What business endevor in this capitolist system is not entered into to make money? NASCAR just happens to do it better than most. Its also an event that brings whole families together be it at the track or infront of the TV. I'm sure the sponsors, track owners, towns and cities that hosts these events would love your idea of turning the tracks into meth pools.

Like most old schoolers, like us, we feel NASCAR has taken the wrong direction by losing the stock car. BUT the FWD or AWD design of street cars today doesn't lend itself to NASCAR style racing anymore. Hence the COT. Granted NASCAR no longer proves which manufacturer builds the most reliable vehicle. It is still, usually, a great form of door to door competition. Has the sport progressed? Not in my opinion. But it has adapted to survive and expand.

I've always been more of a road racing fan than NASCAR. If you want stock car racing watch road course racing. But if you want to see the whole event NASCAR is still your best bet. Just don't believe the hype.

Quote from ClearHooter,
"Has the sport progressed? Not in my opinion. "

Heck CH,
I've seen you be extremely naive about a lot but the"sport" of NASCAR has gone the same way as Baseball and Football.
That family gathering you're seeing through rose colored glasses now costs a couple of hundred dollars and offers no real increase in entertainment in ratio to increased prices for attendance, snacks and souveniers.

NASACAR hasn't been scaled up to bring more entertainment to the viewer, it has been scaled up to charge more for TV time and merchandising.
While all this flair and grandeur may have brought some families to attend, it's increased cost has also kept many people away who can no longer afford it.

Remember, you were the one who introduced Crystal Meth into this thread, on several instances in several replies.
I merely took your information on yet another "overpaid celebrity gone HollyWood drug wild" and made a joke out of it.
It is the kids and families you speak of who may have been fans of this MayField who are the true victims here.
I'm sure his sponsors will try and spin this so it appears that he is the Victim.

I was a big fan of NASCAR, at one time, I just no longer am.
Like I said,
"Who won, was it the Red one with Ovaltine on it or the Red one with Office Depot written on it? Daddy, buy me the Office Depot T-Shirt"

CH, what you see as sarcasm I see as realism.
As my old friend Barney Fife would say,"Nip it in the Bud."
Have a good one,

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so, did everyone hear that the Mustang is going Nascar racing? (of course, not really)

so, did everyone hear that the Mustang is going Nascar racing? (of course, not really)

:pGood diversion Alex:thumbsup: Pat and CH were starting to have to much fun there!

But I DID here that they were going to run a Stang decal on the crap car for a few races. Not being a Nascar fan, I had no idea if it was a real story.

I do know that the Pontiac teams running on the Grand Am series will be switching to a 2010 Camaro for next year so I have hopes we eill see a few Stangs over there as well!

I have heard that Ford will try to make the Stang into a NHRA pro stock car for next year. For a ton of reasons, ( the biggest being that the 500 CI limit in P/S does not suite the Fords well at all) no Mustang has ever been successful in the pro Pro Stock class in NHRA. While they romp in the IHRA, so I am hoping to see more and more Stangs in the fight next year in all forms of Motorsports.

yes they are running the mustang in the nationwide series for hole 4 races lol

LOL! Lovin' those Stang Decals!! 4 whole races hu? Glad they did'ent make a big commitment!

Well yea just the nationwide cot races... In 2011 full time!

News Flash! There's not one ticket price that hasn't gone out of the roof. Concerts, sports even movies have gone up. And I'll bet not one has gone up so the promoters can provide better service to the ticket purchaser. Actually from what I've heard on the news many NASCAR tracks are reducing their tickets prices.

Personally I won't go to a NASCAR race unless its local 'cause I don't know if they will have it. BUT TODAY....In the Nationwide Series they actually ran rain tires on a wet track. This may have been a first. It wasn't pretty but they finished the race. This seems more fan oriented than to benifit drivers or owners.

We sat down and watched the race today on TV, ate some burgers, played some music, shot some pool and enjoyed the company of several families. Because the race was on. Cost of the afternoon? About $10.00 per family. Now when they want to charge an extra fee to watch it on TV I'll start having issues with them. If they start racing them in the rain I might even venture as far as Daytona to see a race. Otherwise Charlotte will be 'bout as far as you'll see me travel.

I just asked a question about a news worthy event (in my geographic area) that, given the NASCAR track record was a questionable knee-jerk reaction by their sanctioning body. This issue is by no means decided. I started this thread to hear what others might think about it as well as share additional information with others who might be interested in its outcome. When this started I too felt Mayfield was just some "star" putting himself above the law. After hearing the circumstances as well as the physical observations I have reasonable doubt. Is it innocent until proven guilty? Or the other way around?

Regardless of how he got here, I would say he now simply irrelevant!

And your right, I switched back and forth between the NNS and the ALMS race all afternoon, pretty darn cool! The way racing was meant to run...left, right and in real nature! Was a lot of fun.

I empathize with Jeremy. A few months back I got called in for a random at work, I let them know I was prescribed ritalin 10mg 3 times a day. A couple days later I get a call telling me to report to the head nurses office and bring any meds I'm on. I'm thinking no problem since my ritalin is a script. Imagine my surprise when I was told I tested positive for valium!! I then asked to see the results and told them it wasn't mine. They said of course it was so I asked them why my ritalin hadn't shown up. They couldn't answer that but told me if I didn't have a script for valium I'd have to go into drug treatment!

I got lucky, I had a script from 10 months before for valium, had taken 2 of them, still had 28 in the bottle (see what an addict I am) I brought it in and then all was good and fine. Didn't matter to them that I hadn't taken any valium, didn't matter that my ritalin hadn't shown up (which my doctor assured me it should have made me test positive for amphetamines) No one cared that someone out there was probably trying to explain a test that was showing ritalin when the only drug they were prescribed was valium. All that mattered was they could check the right box on the paper.

So yeah I believe drug tests are often wrong, human error anywhere in the process. I also have known many meth heads and agree Jeremy does not look or act like one. I have to side with him on this one.

I empathize with Jeremy. A few months back I got called in for a random at work, I let them know I was prescribed ritalin 10mg 3 times a day. A couple days later I get a call telling me to report to the head nurses office and bring any meds I'm on. I'm thinking no problem since my ritalin is a script. Imagine my surprise when I was told I tested positive for valium!! I then asked to see the results and told them it wasn't mine. They said of course it was so I asked them why my ritalin hadn't shown up. They couldn't answer that but told me if I didn't have a script for valium I'd have to go into drug treatment!

I got lucky, I had a script from 10 months before for valium, had taken 2 of them, still had 28 in the bottle (see what an addict I am) I brought it in and then all was good and fine. Didn't matter to them that I hadn't taken any valium, didn't matter that my ritalin hadn't shown up (which my doctor assured me it should have made me test positive for amphetamines) No one cared that someone out there was probably trying to explain a test that was showing ritalin when the only drug they were prescribed was valium. All that mattered was they could check the right box on the paper.

So yeah I believe drug tests are often wrong, human error anywhere in the process. I also have known many meth heads and agree Jeremy does not look or act like one. I have to side with him on this one.

Wow, that is some scary stuff right there, Pony. This is clearly not what people had in mind when they started down the work-testing road. Not an ounce of common sense in that company it would seem. Also was stunned by the 10 year old "meth addict"! This genie is out of the bottle and no way can it ever be put back, yet people blindly put so much into these tests. I don't know/care much about the Mayfield situation, but if he has doctors testifying that their drug tests administered right after NASCAR's show no positive results, something ain't right and common sense dictates that NASCAR should question both results thoroughly rather than put total blind faith only in their results. This is really messed up.