So going to be getting back into racing and looking at all the choices for cars. Looks like the top 5 in popularity are KSG g3, McPappy Dart, leading edge, RIP and HyperDrive. Also heard good things about the Stryker car. Also the new R10L5 is out now as well.

What cars are working well for you and why? Will be racing short carpet ovals. Planning on two cars, one 13.5 1Cell lipo and a 21.5.

yes, I have searched and it seems everyone goes faster with the new car and they are all great. So which car would you not buy and which ones would you buy again? Thoughts on two cars, do two the same or two different brands?

John

So going to be getting back into racing and looking at all the choices for cars. Looks like the top 5 in popularity are KSG g3, McPappy Dart, leading edge, RIP and HyperDrive. Also heard good things about the Stryker car. Also the new R10L5 is out now as well.

What cars are working well for you and why? Will be racing short carpet ovals. Planning on two cars, one 13.5 1Cell lipo and a 21.5.

yes, I have searched and it seems everyone goes faster with the new car and they are all great. So which car would you not buy and which ones would you buy again? Thoughts on two cars, do two the same or two different brands?

John

John,

I own 2 IRS Shockwave's now and will be adding another after the first of the month. Take a look for your self. http://www.teamirsrc.com/shockwave.html

Buy one at Windtunnel for $365.00 http://www.windtunnelracingproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1188&osCsid=b727c0272c91ad4fb709d66b6e00a352 or Lefthander for #375.00 http://www.lefthander-rc.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1379

When I first bought I had questions about add ons, etc. With this car there are none, everything is included. The owner, Dave Irrgang, will answer any questions and any of the drivers. Driver setup sheets are available from any driver.

There are 6 - 8 drivers going to the 21.5 Pro Shootout@RT281 Concrete Superspeedway, PA. http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=256335.

Also http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=207443

If you want to talk with Dave his phone number is (609)476-2371. If you have more questions, PM me.

The First One You Listed Is The One You Need To Go With...

The Gen3 Is Untouchable.. Imo...

Since I Have Had Mine I Went From A Top 3 B-main Drivers To Probably Atleast Some Where In The Middle Of The Pack In The A-main...

The Ksg Gen 3 Is Easy To Work On And It Doesn't Have A Ton Of Adjustment That You Dont Need That Usually Just Confuses People That By Those Other Kind Of Cars...

Remember Kiss

K Keep
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S Stupid..

It Worked For Me...

Your going to get 800 different answers to this one from 749 different people. Your best bet is to go to the local track and see what most people are running, and talk with them about their likes and dislikes with each car. Everyone has a preference, and in my opinion, one car is no better than the other. I have taken the same setup and put it on an RIP, KSG, McPappy, Hyperdrive Pro3 and Pro4, and even a 1999 ADX slider anw have seen all those cars go fast and / or win races. it's 90% driver and setup.

Now, honestly if you want to use Doughboys KISS method, you might want to look at the new CRC Battleaxe. It will be released in a week or two (being held up by one part). It is a monoball car (no T plate). With this setup, you don't have to worry about what combination to run on the rear pod because there is only 1 spot for it. you can adjust the rear steer without having to change the rear pod plates, and the front end has the most adjustability of any car out there. I've run the Pro4 back to back with this car and my lap times were no different with either car.

There you go, yet another recommendation... lol

Again, like I said, just go to the local track and see what everyone else is running. That is going to be your best bet.

My opinion is try to find out what most of the other racers (preferably the top few racers) are running. 99% of racers will help with set-up if you're running the same car. Also if you're running the same car and break a part chances are someone can help you out. I've ran about every brand out there, and all the newer cars are great cars. Parts availability is another consideration. You are going to get a 100 different answers on here and everyone has there prefered manufacture. Just my opinion. Terry

Yep, go to your local track and see what everyone has. Talk to the guys, and see who is willing to help and go for the type of car they have. Every car can be made to go fast on any surface. It is all about local support. At Rosewood in NC there are reps from just about all makes Hyperdrive, AE, KSG, Silva, LE etc. So if you race there it would be personal pref, but at other tracks I know it may not be quite as diverse.

You can't go wrong with any that you said above. Just make sure the hobby shop has parts, and you can get help locally from one of the fast guys.

Joel White

I have an old Black Widow and the thing is untouchable (Mostly). Any car really wouldnt be a bad choise. its all about the set-up. I like the Hyperdrive HK-7300T. I would run this car but i dont have the funds or time to dial in the car. But this question is more of a ford or chevy question too. everyone has their own opinion. nomatter what car you decide to get its not going to be a bad choise.

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thats all this guy wants is diffferent opinion's about the different car's can't fault him for asking!!! weather it be 100 opinion's or 1000

It's the same question asked how many times.There is no answer-I have an IRS car(well 4 of them) and love it.People with KSG,HD all love their cars.Go to local track,see what they are running and go with that.You will have help with set up and it will make it easier to get up to speed.

I was looking to see if anyone had an experiance with a car, say that was fast but the setups only worked over a narrow range on condition.

To compare to slot cars which I have been doing for several year, one of the chassis is fast, but not at all forgiving. if you start to drive it to hard it immediately goes from fast to crash. Other chassis are slightly slower but more forgiving, so if you miss a mark on one lap, it wont bite you. So it may be that the slower chassis is faster over a race due to being slightly more forgiving. There the cost of a car is low, so I have one of each and pick depending on track conditions.
I realize almost all of these cars are the same, AE front end, T bar with shocks on the rear. The difference is in the details. The KSG and Mcpappy do offer a different rear pivot height which could be an advantage or it might not. From what I hear of the stryker is seems to be more forgiving of the setup, so its quicker to go fast. Then looking at the Mcpappy it looks like it could have a lot of the right stuff, but could easily get lost in all the tuning options.
One of the tracks is all RC10L4's so dont want to go that route.

John

I was looking to see if anyone had an experiance with a car, say that was fast but the setups only worked over a narrow range on condition.

To compare to slot cars which I have been doing for several year, one of the chassis is fast, but not at all forgiving. if you start to drive it to hard it immediately goes from fast to crash. Other chassis are slightly slower but more forgiving, so if you miss a mark on one lap, it wont bite you. So it may be that the slower chassis is faster over a race due to being slightly more forgiving. There the cost of a car is low, so I have one of each and pick depending on track conditions.
I realize almost all of these cars are the same, AE front end, T bar with shocks on the rear. The difference is in the details. The KSG and Mcpappy do offer a different rear pivot height which could be an advantage or it might not. From what I hear of the stryker is seems to be more forgiving of the setup, so its quicker to go fast. Then looking at the Mcpappy it looks like it could have a lot of the right stuff, but could easily get lost in all the tuning options.
One of the tracks is all RC10L4's so dont want to go that route.

John


I have tried a McPappy Dart on a short flat carpet track and it was a little to brittle for me. It broke something almost every time I would hit something. Now I know you're not supposed to hit things, but that happens in racing. I went back to a Darkside Tornado and put the McPappy on the shelf. I may dig it back out this winter if I make it to Omaha.
I am still working on a set up for the tornado will update you when i can.:thumbsup:

Go to your local track and see what people are running!!!!! Trust me on this!! All the cars mentioned above are good. What it comes down to is help at the track with set up and parts.

I have owned several cars:freak:my faves any thing form( RIP or KSG)with that being said if I were new and wanted a car that I did not need to buy extra pars for or pay a arm and leg the new R10L5 would be the car around 300 for a good car with all parts to build it.And you probely wont need to worrie about not being able to get parts for it.

I am with Casper60 they all can go fast.All though I hate having the same car as anyone at the track. :thumbsup:

Jake

I am with Casper60 they all can go fast.All though I hate having the same car as anyone at the track. :thumbsup:

Jake

That's why I love the Battleaxe... Nobody else has a monoball car!

gen3 is a proven stud on the rug if you use the birds as a barometer

the new pro4 is also a stud in franks hands

the new r50 is a animal in g honey or seans hands

those 3 cars were on point at the birds and the brl races

the other brands are good cars and some companies just can't afford to have 10 top of the line team drivers...all the other brands win each week on the local level and could be a contender at the birds...

if you choose the top 3 on the list you can't go wrong...UNLESS at your local track no one uses them or stocks parts for them...in that case go with what wins at your track and something you can get help with at the track....

we all think our car is the best.....what is best for you is what you can get a steady diet of parts for and help at the track on race day....

thanks for the help on this, have narrowed it down to 3, HD pro 4, 10R5 or the BA 2.0. Will have to see which one is available in a couple of weeks when I get back to the states. Tempted not go with the AE, just because I hate driving the same thing that everyone else has. I know it helps with the setup, but I have always been more of a bleeding edge guy than the status quo.
Back in the RC10 days I think I had almost every transmission known to man in my car at one point in time, 6 gear stock,old MIP, newer MIP, chain drive, chain drive two speed. Not sure any of them made it any faster, but was fun to see if you could find some more speed in there somewhere. Also had a couple of cool JRX2 one off builds, a copy of Jr's car with the carbon braces, wish I had kept that one and a hand built sprinter with 5 link and aluminum arms for the suspension.

John

The First One You Listed Is The One You Need To Go With...

The Gen3 Is Untouchable.. Imo...

Since I Have Had Mine I Went From A Top 3 B-main Drivers To Probably Atleast Some Where In The Middle Of The Pack In The A-main...

The Ksg Gen 3 Is Easy To Work On And It Doesn't Have A Ton Of Adjustment That You Dont Need That Usually Just Confuses People That By Those Other Kind Of Cars...

Remember Kiss

K Keep
I It
S Simple
S Stupid..

It Worked For Me...

i agree with this...

Rip cars are real fast too. Ask Alan Behler 2 wins and a second at the Birds!

YEA WHAT HE SAID RIP CARS ALL THE WAY AND WAIT TO THE SEASON 2010 Under taker will take many more win's

Any modern oval car can be made fast and forgiving. What you need to learn is what makes it work - geometry, spring rates, damping, ride height and in my opinion after 20 years of RC - TIRES!!! Just like NASCAR or your own local race track, those are the only thing in contact with the carpet, dirt or pavement. Like you, I started with slot cars - 47 years ago.

Most of all, have fun - the guys that don't quit.

"Most of all, have fun - the guys that don't quit."

Wow, ain't that the truth. That has to be one of the best quotes I have read in a long time.:thumbsup::thumbsup: