I know there has been several questions about COT wings. It now appears that Protoform is also going to offer a OEM wing for sale. Now both COT body Mfg will be offering a replacement wing.

With this being the case the TOUR rules will be changed in the COT class, only allowing OEM wings.

Thanks for your question and comments, it helped resolve this matter.

Allan A

good job tour guys

This is a big help. Thanks to Dale and Gary for stepping up and making these wings. Thanks to Allan, Steve and the rest of TOUR for making this happen.

i like the new decision because it takes some of the tech out of it. but my guess is that if you crash hard enough to rip a wing off so badly, that the body is probly pretty hurt also? :) but its great to have a replacement just in case your in a bind and cant get a body painted quick enough! way to keep on top of things guys!

funny but i never would have thought a wing rule or lack of would be the hot topic..

Whats even more funny is people on here are whining about a cot wing for a car slightly slower than 21.5, and nobody wants a wing in the 21.5/lipo class. Ya know the worst part about why oval racing isn't as big as it once was is because all the people on this forum complaining about this and that. I think this new set of rules is way over due but all the racers have to stop complaining and just run the new rules.

Whats even more funny is people on here are whining about a cot wing for a car slightly slower than 21.5, and nobody wants a wing in the 21.5/lipo class. Ya know the worst part about why oval racing isn't as big as it once was is because all the people on this forum complaining about this and that. I think this new set of rules is way over due but all the racers have to stop complaining and just run the new rules.

FYI...

13.5 1C is about 3 to 5 laps slower than 21.5. It also has was way less "RIP", so it is much more stable. 21.5 should have a wing, it is a lot of "RIP" and is harder to control. I have run 21.5 without a wing, and it was fine for me, but I am an above average driver. For most the wing added stability, and made it better.

Now back to the real thread....
Good job guys on the COT rule.

TOUR is trying to get classes standardized. The COT/TCC body is new to a National level racing class. Myself I do not like to work in gray areas or bend rules. Now is the time to discuss the wing mounting and replacement for a smooth start for the new organization. I think it is great that there is only small items that need some tweeking.

I am sure that Steve, Allan and the body manufactures will have this worlked out

I would like to add my 2 cents. The problem is that most people thing thats its actually a wing like we used to run in the past few years. If u look at the body u can't run a spoiler on the car and i have not seen any class in the past 20 years run without a wing or spoiler so this makes this wing topic even more important. and if your not planning on running this class anyways find a different place to waste your time and let Steve and Alan figure this out. So far they have done a great job so lets give them time to make this right. Before you kill it on the internet.... Just my 2 cents.... Sorry for the misspelling Ha HA

Keep up the good work guys.

Not revelant to the thread sorry.

Jake

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On the protoform COT Body there are graduated lines on the back of the wing. Is there a specific line you must cut to or is that a tuning aid on the wing itself. Also, what's the rule on position of the wing, it appears to be able to be adjusted forward or backward. It sits pretty far back on the body as it is.

BTW I love the body so far and can't wait to run it... the 13.5 COT class is ROCKS!!!!

Bill

On the protoform COT Body there are graduated lines on the back of the wing. Is there a specific line you must cut to or is that a tuning aid on the wing itself. Also, what's the rule on position of the wing, it appears to be able to be adjusted forward or backward. It sits pretty far back on the body as it is.

BTW I love the body so far and can't wait to run it... the 13.5 COT class is ROCKS!!!!

Bill
I do not think the wing mounting will be an issue I have seen them mounted back, forward cut all the way down, full, sides ,no sides I would think you should be able to do what ever you want with them as long as they are factory.


Jake

I do not think the wing mounting will be an issue I have seen them mounted back, forward cut all the way down, full, sides ,no sides I would think you should be able to do what ever you want with them .


Jake

I think with this class the rules are trying to establish and even playing field on the body. I know that TOUR rules are specific in certain areas but there are some variances that should be included. In fact I wonder what difference the car would be without the wing and if that would give an advantage.

I also know that with different manufacturers specifics can be bit difficult. We'll see how this all works out with the Oval Masters, I know that Allan and Russell will be on it. :thumbsup:

Bill

i kinda hope the rule is that we cut on the body line, we cut using the front wheel outlines to the best of our abilitys, we use the wing and cut it out fairly close to the line. and yes there are more then 1 cot out. and they all will most likely have body lines and wing lines on them. so why not use them! its nice not getting to a track with a brand new painted body and finding out that the new fast way to mount it is slammed in the front and high in the rear. makes you feel that you might of wasted some money. COT should be great in that aspect i think!

i kinda hope the rule is that we cut on the body line, we cut using the front wheel outlines to the best of our abilitys, we use the wing and cut it out fairly close to the line. and yes there are more then 1 cot out. and they all will most likely have body lines and wing lines on them. so why not use them! its nice not getting to a track with a brand new painted body and finding out that the new fast way to mount it is slammed in the front and high in the rear. makes you feel that you might of wasted some money. COT should be great in that aspect i think!

I think you might be giving the body too much credit.You need to make these turn nuthin like the other bodys.

I for one wish we could wedge it ,the BRL rules will be cut on carpet line on sides and down to 1/8 on the spliter if you wish ,factory wings so I have been told.

Jake

The thing is the body is what it is and we all have to run the same thing. Other than the wing itself, there are zero tuning options there. If you need the car to turn, work on the setup. Everyone is in the same boat there.

The thing is the body is what it is and we all have to run the same thing. Other than the wing itself, there are zero tuning options there. If you need the car to turn, work on the setup. Everyone is in the same boat there.

Yea I just think they look better wedged did not mean it as a body tuning trick.

Jake

Yea I just think they look better wedged did not mean it as a body tuning trick.

Jake


ive ran the body in practice many times and raced it so far 2 times. it handles great cut on the lines. is it quite as fast as the other bodies out... maybe not. does that matter since everyone will have the same or very similer bodys?... heck no not anymore. the 95% of the people that look at the body and say "that thing wont handle" just didnt try the body yet. yes it might push a little more and not get in the corner as hard as the other bodies. but saying that they dont work b4 you try it personally a few times and actually change your setup then that isnt factual really.

like casper said we all have to run the same body.. time to work on chassis.

i do agree about the brl rule. its not quite exactly the line but its very very close. nothing like we do with the thd. that seems fair to me.

has many others tried these body's against 5 of 6 guys with the cot? at Marshalls a month or so ago we had a full feild and it really rocked! very close racing and that was sweet. all with in 10ths of eachother it was great

ive ran the body in practice many times and raced it so far 2 times. it handles great cut on the lines. is it quite as fast as the other bodies out... maybe not. does that matter since everyone will have the same or very similer bodys?... heck no not anymore. the 95% of the people that look at the body and say "that thing wont handle" just didnt try the body yet. yes it might push a little more and not get in the corner as hard as the other bodies. but saying that they dont work b4 you try it personally a few times and actually change your setup then that isnt factual really.

like casper said we all have to run the same body.. time to work on chassis.

I have no idea what you are trying to tell me or teach me.I have been running the body for 5 weeks now what I was telling you is wedging it down will probely not change the way it handles just looks and I can get it to turn just fine,I just think you are worring too much about it.

We are all saying the same thing and I will not comment on stuff I have not tried.:rolleyes:

At the track ,we run them as I have described in the BRL rules.I have ran with a guy that wedged his um Bob but I did not see some super advantage like you are thinking.:wave:

As far as the BRL you cut the sides On The line but can cut the spliter down to 1/8 tall.I hope that explanes it better.

Jake

Did he cut the splitter off to rake (wedge) it?

Ok, yea, and? BRL = TOUR rules. So what are we debating again? LOL

Did he cut the splitter off to rake (wedge) it?

It was like 1/8 the spliter was on it when you make the spliter 1/8 and cut the body on the line it steps down after the wheel wells so on the wedged COT with a 1/8 spliter it just made it look a bit better LOL .I am not sure how you guys wedge your bodys but I use a ruler cut the front down then draw aline back to the start of the back wheel wells and cut it in a wedge shape.So cut the spliter at 1/8 and take a ruler and connect the dots its no much of an issue as I see it when you are allready allowed to cut the spliter down to 1/8 in the first place.

Jake

This is the amount you are worried about with the 1/8 spliter rule.

Jake

i agree with others cut the thing on the lines. it is what it is

In reality you could cut the entire lip off it and run the actual splitter only. I'd like the looks of that, problem there is now you have a nice sharp leading edge on the body. Honestly if you cut it down where the rules state, and fit it properly, you still have a small amout of rake in the body.

Ehhh, They grew on me... I couldn't stand them at first and now I like them. Lets just go race!

i agree with others cut the thing on the lines. it is what it is

I could care less wedged or on the line but A on the line spliter is a huge and it is gay looking LOL:tongue:

Jake

I could care less wedged or on the line but A on the line in the spliter is a huge and it is gay looking LOL:tongue:

Jake

LOL I agree, too much lip, but if you cut it down to the legal minimum, it doesn't look all that bad

JDW i wasnt fully replying to you but yes i may of miss understood you at first and you did explain better now. but i was really getting at how many people dont like the body at first b4 they try it. then many times they learn to like it. or they find that its not very difficult to make them work and turn. didnt mean to come off like i know everything. one last thing is that as far as "gay" looking goes i have friends that come over my house once in awhile for a beer. they have nothing to do with rc. when they see my pan car body with a huge wing on it they say "Wow cool car but that big thing on the back is Gay" lol so really its all opinions and what you get use to seeing. to each is own.

I set my body so that the hood at the center of the front tires is 2 1/2" and went from there. If you keep the front tires centered in the wheel wells and stay with that measurement you will keep at least 1/8" on the splitter. There is about 2 - 1/10s difference in my RF body post to the LF post so there is a little rake in it. I agree with Jake, with the nose of that car slamming it isn't going to make much difference.

Here's a pic of mine mounted.

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0529.jpg

Another shot.

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/646/medium/IMG_05251.jpg

Bill

I set my body so that the hood at the center of the front tires is 2 1/2" and went from there. If you keep the front tires centered in the wheel wells and stay with that measurement you will keep at least 1/8" on the splitter. There is about 2 - 1/10s difference in my RF body post to the LF post so there is a little rake in it. I agree with Jake, with the nose of that car slamming it isn't going to make much difference.

Here's a pic of mine mounted.

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0529.jpg

Another shot.

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/646/medium/IMG_05251.jpg

Bill

To me this body looks great and I see no advantage with it.Time will tell I guess.

Jake

JDW i wasnt fully replying to you but yes i may of miss understood you at first and you did explain better now. but i was really getting at how many people dont like the body at first b4 they try it. then many times they learn to like it. or they find that its not very difficult to make them work and turn. didnt mean to come off like i know everything. one last thing is that as far as "gay" looking goes i have friends that come over my house once in awhile for a beer. they have nothing to do with rc. when they see my pan car body with a huge wing on it they say "Wow cool car but that big thing on the back is Gay" lol so really its all opinions and what you get use to seeing. to each is own.

See I told you we were on the same page.As far as the non PC gay comment did not mean gay as in rainbow gay but used more as a street comment so as I hope not to offend anyone..

Jake

JDW i wasnt fully replying to you but yes i may of miss understood you at first and you did explain better now. but i was really getting at how many people dont like the body at first b4 they try it. then many times they learn to like it. or they find that its not very difficult to make them work and turn. didnt mean to come off like i know everything. one last thing is that as far as "gay" looking goes i have friends that come over my house once in awhile for a beer. they have nothing to do with rc. when they see my pan car body with a huge wing on it they say "Wow cool car but that big thing on the back is Gay" lol so really its all opinions and what you get use to seeing. to each is own.

JOe ive seen your wing on your thd and it is GAY!!!!!
i believe the tour rules state body height of 4 3/8" roof and splitter could be cut down to 1/8" blunt edge
so in doing this you will have a slight rake in the body

speaking of gay... where's mike obrien been lately???

:D

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0529.jpg



http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/646/medium/IMG_05251.jpg

Now that's gay!!! :wave: See you soon Bill

JOe ive seen your wing on your thd and it is GAY!!!!!
i believe the tour rules state body height of 4 3/8" roof and splitter could be cut down to 1/8" blunt edge
so in doing this you will have a slight rake in the body


lol good point i didnt think about that but your right my wing is gay. :)

can we cut the wing down?

ok, the official word will be on here very soon.
from what i have heard you cut the wing out by the lines and you can trim the back of the wing down to the bottom line. i recomend folding it down incase you want it back at a later time.

but like i said the rael word will be coming soon with all of the terminology you guys are looking for.:thumbsup:

relax.......

thank you Alan! now when can i come over lol

Now that's gay!!! :wave: See you soon Bill

Seven, you ain't gonna be sayin that when I bust on by ya a couple of times... I got my chit togetha dis year!!!! :woohoo:

Bill

Seven, you ain't gonna be sayin that when I bust on by ya a couple of times... I got my chit togetha dis year!!!! :woohoo:

Bill

We are going to try to go to Greeneville on the 27th. Bring it on!

We are going to try to go to Greeneville on the 27th. Bring it on!

That's a Sunday???? They racing on the 27th? Can't make it but I'll be there for the "masters". I'll see ya soon. :wave:

Bill

We are going to try to go on the 26th. Seven don't know nothin bout nothin!!

The Darkside will be blowing by you like a TORNADO....LOL....More details on that later!

We are going to try to go on the 26th. Seven don't know nothin bout nothin!!

The Darkside will be blowing by you like a TORNADO....LOL....More details on that later!

You guys change chassis like Seven changes underwear... what's up wit dat???

I'll let my 10R5 "G-Honey style" speak for me :woohoo: ... at least if I can keep it in the groove.

Bill

"like Seven changes underwear... what's up wit dat???" Don't believe I would want to go there!!! lol:)

One word, Commando! And yea, what Joel said, the 26th!

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