It's official. William Shatner is a raving jerk:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1193938/Star-Trek-actor-William-Shatner-turns-nightmare-guest-U-S-chatshow-makes-series-rude-hand-gestures.html

wow...there is not an emoticon that works well with this one......

The actual video (Courtesy of Hulu.com) tells the story much better:

http://celebrity.rightpundits.com/?p=6146

It just shows the power of the written word in terms of reading the article. They take something fairly simple and funny and turn it into outrageous behavior. Typical....

Bryan

did ya watch it?

very funny...conan played right along...everyone loved it...and no-one got hurt

actually Conan played the bigger fool, as he does so well...and the show was a big hit.

Saw the clip on CNN, thought it was hilarious.

So Shatner can't do the Vulcan salute? Knew that since TSFS, when they (apparently) had to tie his fingers together with dental floss. Knows how to flip the bird though ;)

Face it, the guy's an entertainer and everyone got a big laugh out of it.

That was a fun clip. The way he and Conan play off each other has always made him a great Conan guest.

Watched it. Laughed my butt off. I thought they were both having a great time. Daily Mail misses what's going on.

John O.

Amazing, that after all these years, some people still don't get Shatner's schtick. He's done Conan's shows for years, all this is nothing new. I guess it's just because Conan has graduated to the Tonight Show that this is getting some kind of notice. Funny stuff, and Conan played it up to perfection! :thumbsup:

Of all the people to have taken over the Tonite Sow, That Conan O'Brien DOOF would have been my absolute last choice.......well....wait, Last would have been Letterman, THEN O'Brien.

Steve

Thought it was great stuff. Typical Shatner and Conan stuff. It was all in good fun.

At least no one came up with hiring that idiot Dennis Miller to fill Leno's spot.

I dunno......Dennis Miller......Conan O'Brien........tough call.

Wow. The difference between the article and the actual video of the interview is startling. Shat and Conan were just having some fun at each others' expense. No harm, no foul.

Still....no appropriate emoticon available......

At least no one came up with hiring that idiot Dennis Miller to fill Leno's spot.

Hey!
What's wrong with Dennis Miller?

Love his weekly HBO show back in the day.

I loved Miller's HBO show as well, never missed it, but since then.....he rarely has raised a chuckle out of me.

Yeah, gotta say Dennis Miller's great.

Still....no appropriate emoticon available......

I like: :freak:

This is kinda like the New Trek/old trek argument! lol

We have diehard fans who just will never accept Conan.
And those that never truelly got Shatner.
and thats okay.
I still don't get "Naploeon Dynamite"??? the absolute worse piece of trash film I have ever seen!

I think the bottom line here is, the immediate media report made Shatner out to be an irritant or trouble maker on Conan's show the other night and thats NOT what happened.
Regardless of whether you like Conan or Shatner, the event was nothing more than two pranksters playing off each other and taking Shatners odd story off in a crazy direction.

Shatner did NOT attack Conan, and Conan did NOT leave the stage or "retaliate" against Shatner!

and yes...it took me 30 years...but I finally DO "GET" Shatner.
I now think this guy is a freakin' genius and master showman.
If you don't "get it", you will have no idea what I am talking about.

He might not be one of the "world's greatest actors" but he knows how to take control of the notoriety and importance his life and career has impacted our culture.
I will vote for Shatner to lead the Federation!

Gotta loooooove the Shat!

The writer of the article is smoking something funny. You can clearly see both O'Brien and Shatner were having fun during the entire schtick. Idiots....

On the "flip" side, we now have a new, more Vulcan way of flipping off people :D

. . . We have diehard fans who just will never accept Conan.Shoot, I'm a diehard Johnny Carson fan who never really accepted Jay Leno!

IMHO, Leno was a mediocre comedian and a wimpy butt-kisser.

YMMV.

I like: :freak:
Even that did not do my thoughts justice. Though I got the joke, I just do not see it as that great of a schtick. Didn't get the article being so stupid about either, so, overall....still no emoticon. That one comes close though. BTW...when Shat's in the proper role, he is really good. Saw him do a comedy club hosting job wayyyyy back. He read the phone book and was hilarious.

I thought the interview was hilarious! Shatner's self-deprecating and silly humor has made him more appealing to me in terms personality-wise in the last twenty years than he was for a long time before that.

Shoot, I'm a diehard Johnny Carson fan who never really accepted Jay Leno!

IMHO, Leno was a mediocre comedian and a wimpy butt-kisser.

YMMV.

Same here. I've given Leno any number of shots, and have never seen him show the slightest interest in actually conversing with any of his guests - if he listens at all it's merely for opportunities to springboard a weak joke.

I'd have preferred Letterman. His sense of humor may not be for all tastes, and he can be quixotic, but he has the sincerity Leno lacks.

Dennis Miller? His one great asset is a remarkable facility with the English language, making his quips appear highly intelligent whether he's put any actual thought into them or not. On the down side - and it's a steep down at that - is his infuriating arrogance and undying ego. Lest anyone suspect I'm only appalled at his politics: he used to be on my side of the fence and I thought he was an insufferable blowhard then as well.

Dennis Miller? His one great asset is a remarkable facility with the English language, making his quips appear highly intelligent whether he's put any actual thought into them or not. On the down side - and it's a steep down at that - is his infuriating arrogance and undying ego. Lest anyone suspect I'm only appalled at his politics: he used to be on my side of the fence and I thought he was an insufferable blowhard then as well.


See, that is one of the things I loved about Miller.
His arrogance and ego.
Even if I was completely opposed to whatever viewpoint he was spewing, I still enjoyed his vehemence and no-holds-barred attacs.
It was so utterly refreshing. Especially given the time period his show rand on HBO. During the height of the political-correctness movement.

Now, the only talk-show host that I like is Craig Ferguson

Well, one thing I have noticed in following Miller for over 20 years is that he has mellowed quite a bit. I think it's the usual progression from the 30's to the 50's. I've always liked him, but he seems more self-deprecating than ever these days.

The highs for me in listening to his show are the Hollywood insider bits. Being at Kirk Douglas's 90th birthday party. Very cool.

See, that is one of the things I loved about Miller.
His arrogance and ego.Those can be great attributes in a humorist/satirist. They're deadly in a talk-show host.

The great talk-show hosts -- Carson, Paar, Cavett -- weren't just witty and engaging personalities. They knew the art of conversation. They knew when and how to draw something out of a guest and when to shut up and let the guest talk. Dennis Miller can be as sharp as a tack when it comes to satire, but he just comes across as too damn smug and in love with his own words to be effective at conversing with guests.

Miller's intelligent wordsmithing was a great asset when he was in the booth during football games, wasn't it? :freak: I doubt there was a person in the audience who understood him. "Git dat collige boy offa dere!" :D

I was in college the same time Miller was starting his standup in Pittsburgh. He used to do the warm-up for the "Pittsburgh Today" afternoon show, so you know he wasn't doing what you would call "hard edge" stuff. he would play the dining hall at the dorms.

He once wrote a letter to the Point Park College School paper because they had missquoted one of his punchlines.

My impression of him at the time was that he was insisting he be treated as the next George Carlin (at his peak) eventho he was just starting out.

There was a time where he was funny. His SNL Weekend updates were pretty good. There were a couple of movies where he had some pretty good bit parts. I liked him in Joe Dirt, so kill me.

But then he turned political and angry because he looked around and saw that was what "sold" and his career has been the worse off because of it.

I loved Miller's HBO show as well, never missed it, but since then.....he rarely has raised a chuckle out of me.

I used to love Miller back when he was doing stand-up specials on HBO, he was almost as clever as Carlin with words. Once he drank deeply of the Kool-aid however, I still laughed at the things he said, but not because they were funny.

I used to love Miller back when he was doing stand-up specials on HBO, he was almost as clever as Carlin with words. Once he drank deeply of the Kool-aid however, I still laughed at the things he said, but not because they were funny.

He does seem to be too much of a cheerleading hack sometimes. I'd like to hear some independent thoughts from him occasionally that don't necessarily agree with the other team either.

Hilarious!

And Shatner's Raw Nerve is a very good talk show.

Apropos of nothing, I found that my library has a DVD copy of Incubus. This is the late-Sixties horror film starring Shatner, filmed entirely in Esperanto. Should be interesting.

Dreamer,
Incubus is a lot of fun. It plays like an extended Outer Limits Episode. It has the same production values and was shot by the the legendary Conrad Hall

but use the subtitles

And Shatner's Raw Nerve is a very good talk show.

He's surprisingly insightful, ain't he?

Incubus is a lot of fun. It plays like an extended Outer Limits Episode. It has the same production values and was shot by the the legendary Conrad Hall

but use the subtitlesYes, the subtitles definitely help -- unless you're one of the 152 people in the world who speak Esperanto. That whole artificial international language thing never really caught on, did it?

Incubus was written and directed by Outer Limits co-creator Leslie Stevens (actress Allyson Ames, who plays Kia, was his wife at the time) and used recycled Outer Limits music by Dominic Frontiere. It has much of the look and style of Ingmar Bergman's early films -- except that you don't see a whole lot of Spanish Mission-style churches in Sweden. :p

I'm almost embarrassed to say, but it's been prolly two or three years since I last saw Blade Runner. Wasn't the language that Gaffer or one of the other characters speaking Esperanto?

from imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/trivia):

Translation of entire noodle-bar scene: Upon a seat becoming free at the counter, the Sushi Master (Bob Okazaki) shouts to Deckard (Harrison Ford), "Akimashita, akimashita! Irasshai, irasshai". In Japanese, "Akimashita" is the past tense of "aku", which means 'to become free'; "Irasshai" means "Welcome". So the Sushi Master is pointing at the seat and saying "It's free, it's free. Welcome, welcome". When Deckard approaches the bar, the Master says "Sa dozo", meaning "Come, please", followed by "Nan ni shimasho ka?", meaning, "What'll it be?" When Deckard asks for four, the master replies, "Futatsu de jubun desu yo", meaning "Two is enough" (he repeats this twice). When Gaff (Edward James Olmos) and a uniformed policeman approach Deckard, at first the policeman says, "Hey, idi-wa", Korean for: "Hey, come here". Gaff then says "Monsieur, azonnal kövessen engem bitte". "Monsieur" is French for Sir; "azonnal" is Hungarian for "immediately"; "kövessen" is the Hungarian imperative "to follow"; "engem" means "me"; "bitte" is German for "please". So a translation is "Sir, follow me immediately please". When Deckard tells Gaff that he's got the wrong person, Gaff says "Lófaszt, nehogy már. Te vagy a Blade ... Blade Runner". In Hungarian, "Lófaszt" is a rude expression.[ edited because it made me blush, for the rest follow the link above]

Oooh! Very kewel. So, they call it "Cityspeak", at least in one of the little blurbs a bit below what you quoted above, and was allegedly "designed" by Edward James Olmos.

Thanks for that link. Very informative background info. I'm going to have to re-watch Blade Runner, methinks. :D

Blade Runner the director's remastered cut or whatever it's called plays very well and is worth a viewing. Even in SD the DVD quality is astounding. Details you never saw before come out.