If you have painted bodies move up in class its that simple.Go faster and use the stack of bodies you have Cory Im surprised at your post as the tour is the vbest thing that could have ever happened .SRM

I am tired of the answer "If you don't like the body, move up." Some tracks don't offer the faster class. Or some people's skill level aren't ready for the faster class. It is funny how some of the same people who are saying that, I have seen bitching at drivers in their heats because they were in the way.

:beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse::wooh oo::woohoo::roll::roll:

i wonder if smc just changed the label? did anyone cycle these packs side by side yet? in the long run this could really bite SMC in the ass do to people being really upset. they went from the 25c that was out for a comparably long time. then BAM 40c then Bam 50c? whats up with that. yes it is our fault for buying everything that comes out but in my opinion that is a tad shady. i dunno

and i agree with Alan i wish roar could move there date up a month. would be a help to carpet racers everywhere!

I think this has been brought up before, but I couldn't find it easily. Are you really going to DQ a racer for to hot of a motor? I saw the +/- 5 degree rule. How about the out door race tracks that have indoor and out door pitting (TriClone). Guys who pit inside will have cooler motors and batteries then guys that pit outside. Just one example. I know th eintent but DQing a guy for to cold of a battery and to hot of a motor is just lame. Steph I'll give you a call when I have three hours to talk. Mike

Only 3 hours????.................OK I'll talk fast. LOL

and i agree with Alan i wish roar could move there date up a month. would be a help to carpet racers everywhere!

Maybe we need to work on a plan where ROAR is no longer a factor in the whole equation. Is it out of the realm of possibility for TOUR to no longer follow the ROAR schedule of deadlines?

Why can't TOUR lock batteries at a certain level say 40C max for the year? Since the ROAR deadline is after carpet season starts for some folks, why not do a yearly or mid-season limit on batteries?

I can understand people's frustration with SMC, but I would think NOW is the time that TOUR can really shine and step in with a viable solution that works for all.

--Cory

Isn't too hot of a motor ultimately its own "DQ", or am I missing something? Are you using "hot" to designate winds?

When you consistently overheat a motor, it weakens the magnet, burns through the wire insulation (smoke!) and then (possibly) damages your speed control. Hard to make rules to save racers from themselves.

OMG these rules have been set if you wasted money then you have yourselves to blame!

Mike V. these are carpet only rules not outdoor rules!

Hi Guys,

As most of you can tell from the tone of my posts I am a pretty level headed guy and I don’t get to upset over every issue, but the response from some of you is getting a little out of hand. Give us a little credit for actually THINKING these situations through before making snap decisions. After 20 hours a week on the phone since April, do ya think, just maybe, we actually might have considered the idea that you came up with in 2 minutes of typing!!!! I’ve seen a bunch of posts in the past few days that use language like, “What the TOUR needs to do is…..” or “the TOUR should step up and……”. Let me tell you what the TOUR is. The TOUR is 2 guys, Allan and Steve, who are trying to come up with a simple common platform to OFFER to the racer to use IF you want any amount of consistency from track to track. Nobody has to use these rules, but the Oval Masters, Snowbirds, and BRL ARE using these rules, so the choice is yours.

Why do we need ROAR?? ANSWER: …….because Allan and Steve have day jobs!! And, though I’ve seen a bunch of “Why don’t you….” Posts, I haven’t seen a lot of hands being raised to volunteer to help replace a bunch of the built in functions that ROAR provides such as motor approval processes and battery approval processes with contract specifications for manufacturers to design to.

You see, we don’t get it right all the time, but we do dig pretty deep into these issues. We tend to think beyond the “2 batteries I just bought” and making a rule to protect that purchase. Or the “3 custom bodies I had painted”, so let’s change the body rules. We have to look at the big picture and what’s best for everyone that makes racing happen…racers, hobby shops, and manufacturers. So let me take you through the long process, detail by detail, and then lets see if that helps:


There wouldn’t be racing without racers, true. But there wouldn’t be stuff to race without manufacturers. Manufacturers design, build, and produce things that we need to race with. Most manufacturers serve a much bigger market than just oval. Quite often we represent 3-5% of there market. Therefore, if we, as an oval racing community do not want to FURTHER isolate ourselves from the main stream of this hobby, we might just want to standardize on the stuff the REST OF THE WORLD IS USING WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS!!!
These manufacturers build products for racing, world wide, to specifications that are, in some cases, legally binding. In the United States, ROAR has served for 31 years as the organization that manufacturers respond to, with regard to these equipment specifications. The process can be quite involved, but here it is in a nutshell:
ROAR specifies the design parameters for a product (lets use a 1-cell battery for an example). They set size limits, safety parameters, sometimes (but rarely) capacity limits, sometimes (but rarely) “C” limits, etc.
ROAR sets an approval process in place with fees, testing parameters, and DEADLINES!!
So, when the ground rules are set, and a manufacturer is working to meet a deadline, why should the TOUR, an organizational body change the rules on them with one week to go before the deadline. Here are a few things we considered:


What if Trinity, Reedy and Thunder Power come out with a 50C before October 1st? What if it’s a 45C? What if it’s a 60C, but labeled or advertised as a 40C (in case some groups set some kind of a 40C limit…..imagine that!!)?
What if this 50C SMC pack is really a 40C with a really good marketing program calling it a 50C? Will it still be ROAR approved? Is it going to be ROAR approved?
Can you actually measure the C rating of a cell? Is there a standard for how that number is arrived at? NO!! (Maybe that’s why ROAR doesn’t have a C number as part of there approval process.)
Which runs better, a 50C 5000mAh SMC pack or a 40C 7000mAh Trinity pack? I can’t wait to find out!! I’ll be the first guy in line with one at one of those 40C limit races!! [Better set a mAh limit too….huh]
Of course, ROAR does have a physical size limit on the case. And I’m sure the SMC 50C case has a distinctive feature like a different color case. (Wait….you don’t think someone could take the cells out of a 50C case and put them in a 40C case. Gotta check that.) [Better set a battery weight rule to.]
You see how this gets outta hand. ROAR ain’t perfect, but they have considered all of this and that’s why they don’t overlay all of these other factors into their rules. Every rule you make to fix a problem, creates 10 other problems. Nothing’s perfect, but if we all strive for consistency, we can work through the issues along with the rest of the industry, as opposed to making up our own different rule packages, to address these issues, for each club in the country. I don’t care either way. I intend to race at the same places I’ve always raced at, whatever the rules. But for those who wanted consistency and leadership, I intend to do my best to try and provide that.

And for those who went out and spent good money for a genuine official ROAR approved SMC 4900 battery pack, and feel cheated because a new pack is rumored to be in the works that may or may not be better and may or may not be approved, then I feel your pain. Dam it…you did your research, made your purchase, and look what happened. ………………………………..

Uh…..wait a minute………that 4900mAh 40C SMC pack is ROAR approved……..right. I mean……you didn’t go buy a pack ASSUMING it would be ROAR approved. I mean it’s on the list,….right. You couldn’t be making all of this fuss, and be sitting there holding a non-ROAR approved pack in your hands……………

{Can we make a new rule that says………………}

Hi Guys,

As most of you can tell from the tone of my posts I am a pretty level headed guy and I don’t get to upset over every issue, but the response from some of you is getting a little out of hand. Give us a little credit for actually THINKING these situations through before making snap decisions. After 20 hours a week on the phone since April, do ya think, just maybe, we actually might have considered the idea that you came up with in 2 minutes of typing!!!! I’ve seen a bunch of posts in the past few days that use language like, “What the TOUR needs to do is…..” or “the TOUR should step up and……”. Let me tell you what the TOUR is. The TOUR is 2 guys, Allan and Steve, who are trying to come up with a simple common platform to OFFER to the racer to use IF you want any amount of consistency from track to track. Nobody has to use these rules, but the Oval Masters, Snowbirds, and BRL ARE using these rules, so the choice is yours.

Why do we need ROAR?? ANSWER: …….because Allan and Steve have day jobs!! And, though I’ve seen a bunch of “Why don’t you….” Posts, I haven’t seen a lot of hands being raised to volunteer to help replace a bunch of the built in functions that ROAR provides such as motor approval processes and battery approval processes with contract specifications for manufacturers to design to.

You see, we don’t get it right all the time, but we do dig pretty deep into these issues. We tend to think beyond the “2 batteries I just bought” and making a rule to protect that purchase. Or the “3 custom bodies I had painted”, so let’s change the body rules. We have to look at the big picture and what’s best for everyone that makes racing happen…racers, hobby shops, and manufacturers. So let me take you through the long process, detail by detail, and then lets see if that helps:


There wouldn’t be racing without racers, true. But there wouldn’t be stuff to race without manufacturers. Manufacturers design, build, and produce things that we need to race with. Most manufacturers serve a much bigger market than just oval. Quite often we represent 3-5% of there market. Therefore, if we, as an oval racing community do not want to FURTHER isolate ourselves from the main stream of this hobby, we might just want to standardize on the stuff the REST OF THE WORLD IS USING WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS!!!
These manufacturers build products for racing, world wide, to specifications that are, in some cases, legally binding. In the United States, ROAR has served for 31 years as the organization that manufacturers respond to, with regard to these equipment specifications. The process can be quite involved, but here it is in a nutshell:
ROAR specifies the design parameters for a product (lets use a 1-cell battery for an example). They set size limits, safety parameters, sometimes (but rarely) capacity limits, sometimes (but rarely) “C” limits, etc.
ROAR sets an approval process in place with fees, testing parameters, and DEADLINES!!
So, when the ground rules are set, and a manufacturer is working to meet a deadline, why should the TOUR, an organizational body change the rules on them with one week to go before the deadline. Here are a few things we considered:


What if Trinity, Reedy and Thunder Power come out with a 50C before October 1st? What if it’s a 45C? What if it’s a 60C, but labeled or advertised as a 40C (in case some groups set some kind of a 40C limit…..imagine that!!)?
What if this 50C SMC pack is really a 40C with a really good marketing program calling it a 50C? Will it still be ROAR approved? Is it going to be ROAR approved?
Can you actually measure the C rating of a cell? Is there a standard for how that number is arrived at? NO!! (Maybe that’s why ROAR doesn’t have a C number as part of there approval process.)
Which runs better, a 50C 5000mAh SMC pack or a 40C 7000mAh Trinity pack? I can’t wait to find out!! I’ll be the first guy in line with one at one of those 40C limit races!! [Better set a mAh limit too….huh]
Of course, ROAR does have a physical size limit on the case. And I’m sure the SMC 50C case has a distinctive feature like a different color case. (Wait….you don’t think someone could take the cells out of a 50C case and put them in a 40C case. Gotta check that.) [Better set a battery weight rule to.]
You see how this gets outta hand. ROAR ain’t perfect, but they have considered all of this and that’s why they don’t overlay all of these other factors into their rules. Every rule you make to fix a problem, creates 10 other problems. Nothing’s perfect, but if we all strive for consistency, we can work through the issues along with the rest of the industry, as opposed to making up our own different rule packages, to address these issues, for each club in the country. I don’t care either way. I intend to race at the same places I’ve always raced at, whatever the rules. But for those who wanted consistency and leadership, I intend to do my best to try and provide that.

And for those who went out and spent good money for a genuine official ROAR approved SMC 4900 battery pack, and feel cheated because a new pack is rumored to be in the works that may or may not be better and may or may not be approved, then I feel your pain. Dam it…you did your research, made your purchase, and look what happened. ………………………………..

Uh…..wait a minute………that 4900mAh 40C SMC pack is ROAR approved……..right. I mean……you didn’t go buy a pack ASSUMING it would be ROAR approved. I mean it’s on the list,….right. You couldn’t be making all of this fuss, and be sitting there holding a non-ROAR approved pack in your hands……………

{Can we make a new rule that says………………}
WOW you talk to much LOL

Frank I can see your point ,but the rules have been out for months and guys bitch about having bodies painted last year ...I do see the need for slower classes at bullring tracks like the stand and crc walts,glen falls and so on ,
The TOUR brings the format whatever your track wants to do to bring in the most racers is fine by me ... I will be at Marshalls with most of the A main guys for Snowbirds .... I dont want to watch paint dry which is the speed of the slowest classes ... To each his own and if you spent money ,oh well at least the battery will stil be good for 100 runs in practice . I dont even want to think about how many Nimhs I had over the last few years . The batts I bought last Snowbirds is what Im running still today ...

To blame others who are bringing a complete rules package is not productive for anyone and its easy to be a critic, how about we support the guys who spent their own time and have to deal with the Political BS thats going on ..I got to see the dirty inside of the RC business back in the ADX days and I will never go back to doing that .I love this hobby and want to keep it a hobby for me to enjoy ...

ROCKET

this should be a fun and exciting year... i can't wait till it's over.

Are we having fun yet? :wave:

Steve it just took me 2 hours to read the post! lol damn honesdale schools!

i was walking in the dark tonight and stubbed my toe...i blame tour!

glad florida doesn't have and damn seasons! maybe they should start when roar does the twice a year battery deal? crazy idea i know

blah blah blah

LMAO @ some of this crap. Yes, I would feel like I got my **** stepped on by SMC if I just bought their 40c pack, but c'mon! We all knew more new stuff would come out before the cutoff!

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=261223


caught me way off guard! :rolleyes:

Why didn't the TOUR just use one of the ROAR approval dates instead of both?

Seems it could save a bunch of this ranting. I am a dirt guy trying to put together a carpet program of 4 cars. The only reason I am doing this is because of TOUR. I know I can now go to any of the previously mentioned sanctioned races and know I have a car that is legal and raceable.

With that said THANKS TOUR guys....whomever you are!

good post long live the TOUR

let's crawl before we walk

good post long live the TOUR

Thank you sir

let's crawl before we walk

I am all for that, seeing as I am a carpet newb! I am eager to support the TOUR group. Granted it may be limited....but a warm body to help the cause none the less!

rj i like your style and your posts! you need any help you LMK

rj i like your style and your posts! you need any help you LMK


HAHA! You may regret that offer in January.......but I know where the bars are in O-Town! Worst case scenario there will be a drink in your future @ the Birds!

I am a FL native! Hiding out in D.C.!