For all the crap we, the oval community, give companies about not paying enough attention to us, the motor manufacturers that would have been left out previously have all been very excited at being able to be involved in the 7.5 class.

I think that an open motor policy is beneficial for all involved.

For racers, it gives you the opportunity (if you choose) to try various motors and find what works for you. Some will do this, some will not. The important thing to remember is that THIS IS NOT A MUST. When racers THINK they have to constantly chase the hot new items, they will. I have found out that a motor, no matter how great it may look on the dyno, can never replace a good, dialed-in setup.

For the companies, this obviously opens up new potential for them and if they so choose, they can create a product that fits into that said class. If it is priced right, racers will try it out.

--Cory

I think that an open motor policy is beneficial for all involved.

For racers, it gives you the opportunity (if you choose) to try various motors and find what works for you. Some will do this, some will not. The important thing to remember is that THIS IS NOT A MUST. When racers THINK they have to constantly chase the hot new items, they will. I have found out that a motor, no matter how great it may look on the dyno, can never replace a good, dialed-in setup.

For the companies, this obviously opens up new potential for them and if they so choose, they can create a product that fits into that said class. If it is priced right, racers will try it out.

--Cory

:thumbsup:

Good for you, katfish!

Never allow an opportunity to take a swipe at Novak pass you by.

Comments like yours make sponsoring Oval events ever so appealing to us.

Good thing there are @13 other motor companies to go to for prizes.


damn my rumor central is almost spot on!

diapointed it isn't trinity only though....now a shady orange motor will pop up from time to time.

Good for you, katfish!

Never allow an opportunity to take a swipe at Novak pass you by.

Comments like yours make sponsoring Oval events ever so appealing to us.

Good thing there are @13 other motor companies to go to for prizes.

I have to say that Novak has been very insturmental in helping Steve and I get a handle on the 7.5 class. Bob took the lead on helping us get thru to other mfgs, and saved a lot of time.

We also appreciate Trinity who stepped up and helped us when the class was first thought of.

Speaking for myself I think a lot of people make a tounge in cheek comment without looking at the big picture. I know Novak has been a great sponsor for most of the major races I have held. And I would not be able to do so without theirs and others support . And I greatly appreciate all the support Steve, Bob and Charlie have given us.

Allan Arrington
Greeneville RC Speedway

i am consistent..unlike novak motors and rotors! please try to emulate me next time you ship out a 10.5 that meters like a 7.5........uh oh another swipe....

Well I guess we can all hope Hank reads your comments and bands you for awhile. To be honest I am not sure why your sponsors stay with you. The whole idea is to promote their products not put down other companies. Tell me what your sponsors stuff does, not what you think others do not, or do wrong. Clearly you do not work with electronics for a living, or anything else for that matter. There are variables, and humans involved so stuff happens. I have seen just as many POS Trinity motors, as I have Novak's. The good thing about both companies is they will replace them for you and work with you on making things better.

Kat you are a fun guy, and I enjoy reading your posts (sometimes)...But shut the hell up, and promote the hobby, don't put people or companies down.

Sorry guys (especially Steve and Allan) I am just sick of reading things from katf1sh that kill this site.

I am done...

Just wondering only thing in rules package that I did not see, is min ride height. Or u going to leave it to track rules??

joel, wow...... i had almost the same thing typed and then decided not to post it. thanks for being the first bad guy:hat:

i think ihis is a TOUR thread so it has very little to do with your issues kat.

i would like to thank Novak and Trinity on there continued support of oval racing:thumbsup:

joel, wow...... i had almost the same thing typed and then decided not to post it. thanks for being the first bad guy:hat:

i think ihis is a TOUR thread so it has very little to do with your issues kat.

i would like to thank Novak and Trinity on there continued support of oval racing:thumbsup:

I had a bad day at work, and the post just killed me:rolleyes:

The person before had a good question. Ride Height is going to be a track rule? Probably be the easiest thing I guess.

OK now what is the membership fee?

$0...

damn my rumor central is almost spot on!

diapointed it isn't trinity only though....now a shady orange motor will pop up from time to time.

Dude, I would almost never buy an Epic(Trinity) product simply because of you. I can't figure out why you like to bash other companies so much on this forum.

It is really bad when you actually create a new product support thread for your sponsors product and have to PROMISE that you won't bash other products in it.

Do you think your sponsor is aware that you are actually costing them business instead of earning business for them? Why don't you just promote your stuff and let me decide for myself what sucks and what doesn't?

--Cory

Guys, lets keep this a TOUR thread...if you want to bash kat, or anyone else, take it elsewhere.

Guys, lets keep this a TOUR thread...if you want to bash kat, or anyone else, take it elsewhere.

THANK YOU!!!

Yep, I agree. I am done talking about Kat. I just had to say something, and now its over for me.

I am trying to see if I can make all 4 TOUR races this year. The WI one is the killer. 14 hour+ drive. I guess Florida is the same distance though!

Joel, we can talk about WI. I may not be fast on the track, but I do like to be there.

Planning on the Bird's driving not flying.

I know WI is a ways for you guys, but if you are not familiar with Scotty there is a reason why he is in South Africa, Hungary and wherever else to announce races. I guarantee it'll be a more than worth it race. We have a lot of national champs up this way, they just might not talk about it on HT as much as most, it'll be a great race guaranteed. :)

Well, they're all far but I'm gonna try to make 'em all!

Went to Easley 2 weeks ago, 13 hours...

Snowbirds: 19 Hours
Greeneville: 11 1/2 Hours
BRL Finals: 11 Hours

i am consistent..unlike novak motors and rotors! please try to emulate me next time you ship out a 10.5 that meters like a 7.5........uh oh another swipe....

Enough, you're not helping

-E

im curious, ive done alil reading.....i cant seem to find an answer. im trying to figure out what the battery restriction on the one cell batteries are. can you use 5000mah 40c ???

thanks for your help

im curious, ive done alil reading.....i cant seem to find an answer. im trying to figure out what the battery restriction on the one cell batteries are. can you use 5000mah 40c ???

thanks for your help

It is any battery that is ROAR approved by Oct 1st. Right now, the 25c SMC and the 40c Thunder Power are approved, but there should be more approved before Oct 1st.

so i can use thunder power 5000 40c?

so i can use thunder power 5000 40c?

yep:thumbsup:

is it a roar approved battery?

if it is or isnt i dont know. but they have till October.
i am sure it will be by then

Yes, it is approved. The ROAR site lists the following:


Li - Poly Single
Thunder Power 5000 Pro Race Single Cell
TP5000-1SPR
May 1, 2009

Thanks For Your Help Guys

and that fast smc brings out a 1-cell 50c pack. the 40c was'nt even available for a month was it? unreal...

and that fast smc brings out a 1-cell 50c pack. the 40c was'nt even available for a month was it? unreal...


thats the beauty of the TOUR. after oct.1 if a battery comes out it is not legal! the point is to buy somthing right around the end of sept so you pretty well know that somthing newwer and better wont be coming out :) regardless even if we baught 1 of every legal battery, most of us wouldnt be spending what we spent during the 4cell days. so it should be cheaper

and that fast smc brings out a 1-cell 50c pack. the 40c was'nt even available for a month was it? unreal...


And whats fustrating what about all the ppl that just bought the 4900 40c smc. I would be fustrated at smc for this if I bought the 4900 40c and you can bet that the 50c will be rushed for approval by the cut off date.

i'll have just as much fun running a legend car so do what ya gotta do.

And whats fustrating what about all the ppl that just bought the 4900 40c smc. I would be fustrated at smc for this if I bought the 4900 40c and you can bet that the 50c will be rushed for approval by the cut off date.


my question is... is the tour gonna nip this battery bull in the butt or not????

Talk about being blindsided, I just spent 150.00 bucks for new batts and now they come out with a 50c. This might just be the straw that broke the camels back for me. I'm tired of "ALL" of the manufactors coming out with battery, motor or what ever every week it seems. I'm going to have think hard about it but don't be suprised to see everything for sale next week.

Here is what the tour rule makers need to do stop it at 40c max people already bought stuff for this winter if they dont it will just turn into a big mess. I am so glad we have on battery and thats it in Dirt Oval so much easier.Ill sell all this pan car stuff in a heartbeat if there not going to keep the battery rules under control its crazy.

Daryl the bull is that they just released there 40c ppl bought them thinking that ws it for now and then bam a new pac. I dont care if ppl buy it or not I don't run SMC as amatter of fact this season will be my first time with lipo. I am just viewing it from the standpoint that ppl spent money on a product they like(smc) and then here is more from them. Its just not right.

Talk about wanting to get more ppl into racing but ppl dont care about stuff like this. Just like all the work Allen and Steve did on the TOUR and then bam here comes the ORL back. Just seprating it even more. If the racers want to decide what they want to run then we as racers cant complain when we travel to another area to race and have to spend money to meet the rules.

Maybe I am not new to RC 20+ years but i am still green when it comes to pancar oval and I am tring to get out and go race at other tracks and trying to go to some big events.
But that will get scratched some what if things constantly change.

Hi Guys,

I understand the frustration and concern that everyone is expressing here, but let’s clear a couple of things up. When the TOUR first put out the 1st draft of these rules back in April/May, I was clear about how we would handle the battery situation. I was in search of a solution that would be cost effective for the racers and fair to manufacturers. I had several conversations with ROAR to see how this could be done. Here is what was determined:
· ROAR made their approval process bi-annual, with cut-off dates of September 1st and April 1st.
· This meant they would publish a list of approved batteries twice a year (in October and May) that would effectively “lock” the battery option for 6 months at a time.
· I recommended, to anyone that would listen, that they wait till October 2nd, review the list, make their choice, and THEN purchase what they want once all the cards were on the table. How much simpler can we make it!!

So, if you only want to buy 1 pack for the whole winter season, the plan is still the same as it was in April. Wait till the full ROAR list is published in October, and buy one.

Having said that, I can understand the frustration one might have with a manufacturer producing a new cell, then another new cell 1 month later. Please take this up with the manufacturer, if you feel they misrepresented themselves to you. But in the end, the consumer has the option to research the marketplace, decide what they want and when they want it, and chose what to buy.

I had the same issue. I wanted to do some 1-cell racing this summer. I, like most of you, knew that Thunder Power was releasing a 5000MaH 40C 1-cell pack this summer. I didn’t want to buy the SMC 25C pack because I figured the TP pack might be better. Why spend new money on old technology. Knowing that, I waited till the TP pack was available to make a purchase. I bought 2 packs in early July. They run fine. But I am not so stupid as to think that Trinity, SMC, Associated, TP, etc. aren’t working on something new…..right up to the deadline. But I wanted a couple of packs NOW, so I fully accept the responsibility of the purchase knowing that the ONLY SECURITY I have is in buying a pack AFTER the approval deadline.

So, in fairness to manufacturers, you have a deadline, you have a ROAR specification to design to, you must work within that deadline and spec., you can produce as many “versions” of your product as you feel you should, and no one has to buy anything from you, if they so chose. Manufacturers have to answer to their customers. The TOUR does not intend to create any new rules in the 11th hour to penalize manufacturers after the ground rules have already been laid months in advance. After the deadline, all “new releases” are on hold until May.

In fairness to racers, as we have said since April, you will have a FINAL list of approved batteries soon after October 1st. This list will not change until May 1st. You can buy 1 battery and race it all season if you wish. This will be, by far, the cheapest battery bill you have ever had for a single season of racing, (even if you mess up and buy the wrong pack the first time). However, if you jump the gun and buy batteries before the deadline and before all manufacturers have put all of their products on the table, it is at your own risk.

Hope this helps guys.

Steve

Oct. 1st is too late people start geting ready for winter racing in aug and sept. sorry but Roar is a joke and has no business in any type of oval racing!!! No reason you can lock a battery in for two seasons.

thats a bunch of crap...

so with all that being said, lemme add up all the money the "tour" has wasted out of my pocket..... i was gonna let it go with the hole body rule but now i feel totally screwed over with this battery thing.

1 brand new custom painted intrepid
2 custom painted thd bodies
2 smc 40c packs
1 brand new custom painted (stupid, ugly) cot body

thats pretty expensive and i'm pretty pissed off about it.

casper, i thanked you for your support on the strand thread... then i get on here and read your 25c/40c post.... thats bull and you know it!

so with all that being said, i can't wait to race my quad next weekend!

Why are you buying stuff before the rules are settled? With anything new there are going to be growing pains.

Why are you buying stuff before the rules are settled? With anything new there are going to be growing pains.

Maybe because tracks are starting racing in September and October.

Thats true, but a battery is only 50 bucks, and you can sell it used for 30 I am sure. So you may only be out $20 or so bucks on the battery. The rest of the rules have been set for awhile. I realize this doesn't put money back in Cory's pocket, but I am sure we have waisted a lot more money chasing classes in the past? This is just a bump in the road for something that will make racing for everyone including the Strand.

believe me joel, i can spend money with the best of them but it has to be on something worthwhile.

i have 2 40c packs in their unopened packaging...
i feel like opening the bags, takin a dump in them, and sending them to smc because thats basically what they did to me and everybody else that bought a 40c pack.

so with all that being said, i can't wait to race my quad next weekend!

and i cant wait to pass you again

Yeah, I see your point with that. Like I said to Alan on the other tread I really didn't think about them coming out 2 or 3 weeks apart.

[QUOTE=mr_meat68;2950716]thats a bunch of crap...

so with all that being said, lemme add up all the money the "tour" has wasted out of my pocket..... i was gonna let it go with the hole body rule but now i feel totally screwed over with this battery thing.

1 brand new custom painted intrepid
2 custom painted thd bodies
2 smc 40c packs
1 brand new custom painted (stupid, ugly) cot body

thats pretty expensive and i'm pretty pissed off about it.

are you kidding me?
it is the tours' fault that you have 3 custom paited bodies you cant run?as far as the battery thing ya i dont like what they did. but the rules were stated to follow roars guidelines for approval. i think roar needs to move there date up a few weeks!!!
i thought your cot body looked pretty good.:hat:
cya in a couple weeks

thats a bunch of crap...

so with all that being said, lemme add up all the money the "tour" has wasted out of my pocket..... i was gonna let it go with the hole body rule but now i feel totally screwed over with this battery thing.

1 brand new custom painted intrepid
2 custom painted thd bodies
2 smc 40c packs
1 brand new custom painted (stupid, ugly) cot body

thats pretty expensive and i'm pretty pissed off about it.

casper, i thanked you for your support on the strand thread... then i get on here and read your 25c/40c post.... thats bull and you know it!

so with all that being said, i can't wait to race my quad next weekend!

Common sense FAIL

Here's an idea. If you want to race 1 cell before October 1st why don't you just go on swap and sell and buy one used pack. I have seen plenty listed.

If money is an issue buy a spray can to paint your bodies.

If you don't like the COT then run 10.5.

Gee looks like that would have solved all your problems.

Yes, I agree this was lame on SMC's part, but some of you have to take a little responsibility and have the sense to know better than to run out and buy new packs before the list is out.

But if it really sucks that bad we can go back to NiMH where every new batch (monthly) was a different cell in the same shrink wrap. Then you could buy a minimum of 10 a year at $50 a piece and of course you'll never have ones as good as some of us did. Yeah lets go back to that!

LMAO @ some of this crap. Yes, I would feel like I got my **** stepped on by SMC if I just bought their 40c pack, but c'mon! We all knew more new stuff would come out before the cutoff!

It's really not, and I can show you the printouts from each run to show you.
In all honesty if you don't need the higher load rating, it makes no difference what your battery is. You don't need that high of a c rating for stock, the motors aren't drawing that much.

And what I said on the Strand thread holds true. Every track needs to do what is best for itself. If locking in a battery will keep your drivers coming, you should do it. They are what keeps the place up and running and if you can't keep them you'll have one less track.

at marshalls we saw a difference