Landing gear wells and cockpit seats. What else? What size?

Something little bit bigger than the PL J2 and options to build it with both decks. YES I know some rescaling will have to take place here, but it can be done in an asthectically pleasing and believable way. Afterall all the set scales of the J2 and exterior made no sense when trying to put them all together so what is wrong with a version that makes sense but has an accurate interior with both decks.(minus the enging room shown in 1 third season eps of course.;) A good place to start would be Earl Hooks Jr. "Jupiter 2 Propulsion Specification. Some great artwork there and he fits both decks in very well, with just some minimal changes to the cockpit walls, which need to be extended a bit. So its VERY doable.

Other options of course is to be able to build it as a prop model which some here have wanted. Which would require that scrim piece behind John and Don and optional parts for the gear wells. In fact the gear wells can be used with a two deck ineriored J2 as well. I have seen some nice PL models where they were put in with the lower deck installed.

Hopefully Moebius can provide somethng like that. If we got a J2 like that I would buy at least 3 of them, without a second thought.

I'd pass on the lower deck. Really would like a great upper deck though.

This has been covered in other threads, but I still want an 18" J2. What other features it has I would be happy with anything. I also agree on above quote. Lower deck is not a priority.

^^^Yeah I had a thread like it last year.:) http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=206437


I'd pass on the lower deck. Really would like a great upper deck though.


Yeah I know some people dont want it but it would be really cool. Many do want it to have a complete Jupiter two. Again the upper deck would not have to be modified very much. In fact if it only has one deck some of the interior may look to big as opposed tot the exterior of the ship. A rescaled interior will give the overall ship a more balanced and realistic feel. Again the show never had a consistant ship throughout so Moebius can interpret a complete ship with most of what it should have. Just a thought.

Again there no reason you cant build the ship with only one deck, but also have the option for two.:thumbsup: If they go with one deck option Im not so sure I would get one.

Properly shaped hull pieces with no gaps!!!! Give me an upper hull that fits down over the lower just a mm to get a sharp edge. Two piece hull, top and bottom, no lift off center section. Oh, and at least 16 inches in diameter.

More detailed upper and lower decks
Option to have the lower deck control station port open
Pod bay, with mini pod
Retractable landing gear
Lighting kit included
BIG!!! 28" to 36"

FIGURES AND SOME CORRECT, WELL RESEARCHED PAINT INSTRUCTIONS TOO! I am thankful for Tom Lowe providing us with what we have though! It's still a good kit!

You can't have everything - because it simply doesn't fit inside the hull.
There is no room for one upper and TWO lower decks WITH landing gear wells and the Pod Bay and the chariot bay ...
Once you fit the main deck AS SEEN IN THE TV SHOW into the ship the rest of the stuff doesn't fit.

I hate to tell you guys this, but the design is DONE the mock-up and the tooling plan have been approved, and we're ready to start cutting tooling.

There is no way that the kit will be 28-36 inches -the cost to produce something like that is prohibitive. More like 18 inches as I hinted when we had the Jupiter 2 discussion here before...

No retractable landing gear - Making something like that actually work is also prohibitively expensive and would result in landing gear that is too fragile to support the model.

Due to cost constraints there are no figures included in the kit - I'm sure that the aftermarket will take care of that for you.

Yes it has a two piece hull. And yes the two pieces will fit together properly

Yes the kit is designed so that adding some lighting will be fairly simple and straightforward

I believe that the kit that will result will be an accurate representation of the Jupiter 2 that was seen every week on TV.. I'm sure we'll be able to show and tell more before too long..

I think That I've told you everything that I can.
I won't be answering every question posed - You're going to have to be patient and wait for an official announcement if you think you need more details..


Dave

You can't have everything - because it simply doesn't fit inside the hull.
There is no room for one upper and TWO lower decks WITH landing gear wells and the Pod Bay and the chariot bay ...
Once you fit the main deck AS SEEN IN THE TV SHOW into the ship the rest of the stuff doesn't fit.

I hate to tell you guys this, but the design is DONE the mock-up and the tooling plan have been approved, and we're ready to start cutting tooling.

There is no way that the kit will be 28-36 inches -the cost to produce something like that is prohibitive. More like 18 inches as I hinted when we had the Jupiter 2 discussion here before...

No retractable landing gear - Making something like that actually work is also prohibitively expensive and would result in landing gear that is too fragile to support the model.

Due to cost constraints there are no figures included in the kit - I'm sure that the aftermarket will take care of that for you.

Yes it has a two piece hull. And yes the two pieces will fit together properly

Yes the kit is designed so that adding some lighting will be fairly simple and straightforward

I believe that the kit that will result will be an accurate representation of the Jupiter 2 that was seen every week on TV.. I'm sure we'll be able to show and tell more before too long..


Dave

Dave, you've made me a very happy man.....:thumbsup: All that you stated is a dream come true for me. I just what a nice top floor, don't need retractable landing gears, tight fit on the hull halfs and 18"........ I think I'm
about too cry.........;) Yep, I'm tearing up right now......

You can't have everything - because it simply doesn't fit inside the hull.
There is no room for one upper and TWO lower decks WITH landing gear wells and the Pod Bay and the chariot bay ...
Once you fit the main deck AS SEEN IN THE TV SHOW into the ship the rest of the stuff doesn't fit.

I hate to tell you guys this, but the design is DONE the mock-up and the tooling plan have been approved, and we're ready to start cutting tooling.

There is no way that the kit will be 28-36 inches -the cost to produce something like that is prohibitive. More like 18 inches as I hinted when we had the Jupiter 2 discussion here before...

No retractable landing gear - Making something like that actually work is also prohibitively expensive and would result in landing gear that is too fragile to support the model.

Due to cost constraints there are no figures included in the kit - I'm sure that the aftermarket will take care of that for you.

Yes it has a two piece hull. And yes the two pieces will fit together properly

Yes the kit is designed so that adding some lighting will be fairly simple and straightforward

I believe that the kit that will result will be an accurate representation of the Jupiter 2 that was seen every week on TV.. I'm sure we'll be able to show and tell more before too long..

I think That I've told you everything that I can.
I won't be answering every question posed - You're going to have to be patient and wait for an official announcement if you think you need more details..


Dave

Dave please, no one asked you to tell us anything. It's a discussion and nothing else. I give up.

You can't have everything - because it simply doesn't fit inside the hull.
There is no room for one upper and TWO lower decks WITH landing gear wells and the Pod Bay and the chariot bay ...
Once you fit the main deck AS SEEN IN THE TV SHOW into the ship the rest of the stuff doesn't fit.

Dave


Fair enough. Though you couldnt even get an accurate representaton of the Main deck in as seen on the tv as well. Since the interior used staright vertical walls(pod bay, weapons locker interor etc. As oppsed to angled walls. plus Im sure the scale would still be screwed up as opposed to the exterior of the model since the set exterior was different than the model exterior. I was hopiong for a two deck ship(NOT THREE since the engine bay was since only for a few minutes in one ep. and made no sense at all) that made sense in an asthetically pleasing way, some rescaling and liberties taken but a nice facismile representation of the ship. Oh well.

I'm sorry that you don't want to know what can and can't happen in you discussion.
Seems to me that your opening post was framed as a QUESTION. the post ends with a question mark!
SO I gave you answers!

You cant get banned for asking that question. Though this thread might get closed.:lol: If you reread through the J2 thread Dave was telling us some cool stuff about the J2 but I think he misinterpreted it as a question thread on the actual product rather than a wishlist question thread. No one even knew that it has already been tooled. No big deal. Just a misunderstanding I think.

Well, in the due course of time, all of our questions will be answered; my unasked one was in regards to the exterior hatch and air lock door, but I will be patient while working and enjoying the kits I already have on the bench.
Peace.

You cant get banned for asking that question. Though this thread might get closed.:lol: If you reread through the J2 thread Dave was telling us some cool stuff about the J2 but I think he misinterpreted it as a question thread on the actual product rather than a wishlist question thread. No one even knew that it has already been tooled. No big deal. Just a misunderstanding I think.

It was a general question not directed at anyone in particular. But if the tooling is done then the question is moot anyway. What was the diameter of the PL J-2. I don't remember.

In the CultTVman Newsletter sent today (Wed)-
=========================================
First, Moebius Models is working on a Jupiter 2 kit and CultTVman has a few details to pass along. Dave Metzner has posted that "the design is DONE the mock-up and the tooling plan have been approved, and we're ready to start cutting tooling." He further says it will be around 18 inches in size with at two piece hull. Frank Winspur, owner of Moebius posted "You guys know we can't pass up a J2. With everthing else we have done IA, it is inevitable. Just give us a little time yet, and I promise you'll get new announcements soon." There is no word on when this kit will be available.

It was a general question not directed at anyone in particular. But if the tooling is done then the question is moot anyway. What was the diameter of the PL J-2. I don't remember.

18". Im a little bummed it will be only a one deck though.:( Im not sure yet if I will purchase more than one.

12" - I obviously remember it well.
Ron G.

The story was broken here first. Good news travels fast.

12" - I obviously remember it well.
Ron G.

opps I thought he was asking about the new Moebius. Correct the PL was 12" you should know of course.:thumbsup:

12" - I obviously remember it well.
Ron G.

I have one but was not by it at the time. Thanks, Ron.

Yeah its cool news.

I will try to explain it to those not in the hobby business.Information about new products are typiaclly released to the Hobby Distributers so they can order the product and solicite sales to their retailers IE:The hobby shops who buy them.Retail shelf space is very hard to come by for the manufacters,and anything that adversly affects there sale IE:product infromation being released thru outside sources,can effect product desisions for the future.I have been in the Hobby Business for 42 years.alex

I bet it will cost as much as the Seaview.What is the scale of an 18 inches Jupiter 2 anyway.I certainly hope that it will have plenty of details inside,as well as transparent parts,decals,a Space Pod,figures and Chariot to scale.:rolleyes:

I bet it will cost as much as the Seaview.What is the scale of an 18 inches Jupiter 2 anyway.I certainly hope that it will have plenty of details inside,as well as transparent parts,decals,a Space Pod,figures and Chariot to scale.:rolleyes:

Actually the closed thread has some of the answers. Dave gave us some info. It will be one deck, no figures or chariot.:lol:

Ok so lets try this again!
You asked - I answered - Sorry that you don't like that...
Now to Make myself understood. I know every feature and every detail of the new kit, I do not have time to answer every question regarding what is and is not included in the new kit. I'm sorry but i do have other things on my plate.
I'm sorry if I somehow "spoiled somebodies fun" So long as I continue to moderate this board I will try to control unreasonable expectations of what may or may not be included in our kits.
If this infringes on your "discussions" I guess that you will have to try to understand that it is more improtant to me that there are no unreasonable expectations being raised concerning our products. This is a simple statement of the way I have acted in the past and will proceed in the future.
If this thread degenerates into a discussion of my moderating style I will close it

Dave

I guess that also means no Chariot to scale to be placed outside the ship as well.At least lets hope that some transparent parts will be included to possibly be lit by the modelers,as well as decals to detail the ship.I guess that some talented dude will be able to make his own solid retracting landing gear and either sell some to us,or even better yet,show us step by step on how to make one.Lot of talented people out there that will be glad to show us their better detailed Jupiter 2.:)

I think this is some of the best news I have heard all day, no, all week! My prayers for a new J2 have been answered. Giddy enthusiasm to follow!

With the announcement of any highly anticipated kit there are going to be all kinds of "wants" but we have to remember that this is a plastic kit mass produced to appeal to the greatest number of modelers. While it would be great to have working landing gear and lights included and figures, and ...... I don't want to spend $200 on a kit. If it's bigger and looks better than the PL kit, I'm satisfied!

Stunts,
If you have a retail store we can put you in touch with a wholesale distributor that will be able to supply you wiith kits.
I'll check to see where too send you if you actually have a store.
Most wholesale distributors will require that you have a brick and mortar store location. It's usually difficult if not impossible to buy wholesale if you dont have an actual store.

Dave

yes,you could.

Here are the J-2 threads in one place.

I'm fortunate to know a couple of the fellows who have toiled to bring this particular labor of love to life, and based on what I've seen and heard I can state pretty confidently that the new J2 kit will be every bit as impressive as the Moebius Flying Sub, if not more so. Given that I consider the Moebius Flying Sub to be the most successfully realized injection-molded sci-fi kit to ever hit the shelves, this is high praise indeed.

That said, let's give Dave a break. He's given us a lot of info, and we'll be hearing a lot more very soon. Being a Mod on this particular forum is a difficult and thankless task, and I for one think Dave does a swell job.

Be patient, guys... the wait is almost over.

Rob,
Thank You!!!

Dave

By the way Ron Gross (if you're out there) I still the think the original PL J2 rocks. All things considered, and given the circumstances under which that kit came together, you fellows hit that one out of the park.

I'm fortunate to know a couple of the fellows who have toiled to bring this particular labor of love to life, and based on what I've seen and heard I can state pretty confidently that the new J2 kit will be every bit as impressive as the Moebius Flying Sub, if not more so. Given that I consider the Moebius Flying Sub to be the most successfully realized injection-molded sci-fi kit to ever hit the shelves, this is high praise indeed.

That said, let's give Dave a break. He's given us a lot of info, and we'll be hearing a lot more very soon. Being a Mod on this particular forum is a difficult and thankless task, and I for one think Dave does a swell job.

Be patient, guys... the wait is almost over.



Agreed on all fronts. The Flying Sub is one of the coolest Moebius has made. Probably the most screen accurate when it comes to the interior of any model scifi spacecraft I have seen. Cant say enough about it. If the J2 two is as half as good Im sure I will be pleased. Lower level or not I decided Im still getting it.:thumbsup:

By the way Ron Gross (if you're out there) I still the think the original PL J2 rocks. All things considered, and given the circumstances under which that kit came together, you fellows hit that one out of the park.

Yup. It will be cool to have it side by side with the Moebius.:thumbsup:

Wow Dave, This is great news! I'm looking forward to the new J2! I'm sure it will be fantastic!

Being a Mod on this particular forum is a difficult and thankless task, and I for one think Dave does a swell job.

Just don't ask him about a Moebius Spindrift...

:devil:

I'M KIDDING, DAVE, I'M KIDDING!

(Seriously, don't ask him. One IA ship at a time....) :)

Spindrift? I know Nothiiiiiing!

I'm fortunate to know a couple of the fellows who have toiled to bring this particular labor of love to life, and based on what I've seen and heard I can state pretty confidently that the new J2 kit will be every bit as impressive as the Moebius Flying Sub, if not more so. Given that I consider the Moebius Flying Sub to be the most successfully realized injection-molded sci-fi kit to ever hit the shelves, this is high praise indeed.


Be patient, guys... the wait is almost over.


If it comes close to the Flying Sub I'll be more than happy.

By the way Ron Gross (if you're out there) I still the think the original PL J2 rocks. All things considered, and given the circumstances under which that kit came together, you fellows hit that one out of the park.

The PL J-2 was a dream come true and I'll always thank them and Ron for it. :thumbsup:

I have to agree. I bought two of Ron's kits and feel they are the basis to judge any future J2 kits with! I was very happy with Ron's kit and glad to see the work he put into it. That's why I am just happy the Moebius kit is rumored to be 18" as that is the only difference in Ron's kit I would have liked to see. Both, I expect, will be deemed works of art.

I am not interested in a new J2 kit, since I still have the PL to do. I am happy for everyone else for the news.

The wheels are already turning for rotating lights, sound effects and the like. The midnight oil is already bought and about to be lit. Exciting indeed.

:thumbsup:This will be an exceptional kit, and I'm really looking forward to getting one and to seeing what the talented folks here on the forum do with theirs.

Congrats to Frank and Dave for making this dream of so many sci-fi geeks like me a reality.

And I really appreciate the tactful and personable way our friend Dave has moderated this thread. Sometimes excitement, suggestions, and the general frenzy for more info sounds like b****ing. But it's pure adrenalin and joy. WOO-HOO!:thumbsup:

What a great new era for styrene.

I am not interested in a new J2 kit, since I still have the PL to do. I am happy for everyone else for the news.

You can do both. I still have my PL J2 and have been collecting stuff for it for ten years.:lol: Still havent finished it. Im sure I will be 50 by the time all the aftermarket stuff comes out for the Moebius......now thats a depressing though.:(:(

18" J-2 sounds like a must have kit.

I would much prefer a larger diameter like 30" but would people be willing to pay a higher price? I would.

Personally, I'm very pleased with 18", and "only" having an upper deck, what with the potential for making a "crashsite diorama" larger than my current PL one.
I'm making a "guesstimate" of 1/32 scale for figures, too. :D

You can't have everything - because it simply doesn't fit inside the hull.
There is no room for one upper and TWO lower decks WITH landing gear wells and the Pod Bay and the chariot bay ...
Once you fit the main deck AS SEEN IN THE TV SHOW into the ship the rest of the stuff doesn't fit.

I hate to tell you guys this, but the design is DONE the mock-up and the tooling plan have been approved, and we're ready to start cutting tooling.

There is no way that the kit will be 28-36 inches -the cost to produce something like that is prohibitive. More like 18 inches as I hinted when we had the Jupiter 2 discussion here before...

No retractable landing gear - Making something like that actually work is also prohibitively expensive and would result in landing gear that is too fragile to support the model.

Due to cost constraints there are no figures included in the kit - I'm sure that the aftermarket will take care of that for you.

Yes it has a two piece hull. And yes the two pieces will fit together properly

Yes the kit is designed so that adding some lighting will be fairly simple and straightforward

I believe that the kit that will result will be an accurate representation of the Jupiter 2 that was seen every week on TV.. I'm sure we'll be able to show and tell more before too long..

I think That I've told you everything that I can.
I won't be answering every question posed - You're going to have to be patient and wait for an official announcement if you think you need more details..


DaveI was hoping the J2 would be around 18 inches any way, So this is good news! I was going to add that i hoped the hulls would only just be two halves, But Dave you just answered my question regarding that,Not worried about a lower deck any ways,I didn't use the lower deck in my Polar kit.Yes it was a great idea, But with it installed the hull pieces didn't fit together right any ways there were a lot o gaps.Thanks for the info Dave, And i'm looking forward to this beauty!:):thumbsup: