Just thought it would be fun to see everyones opinions. We thought the very first BRL at Allen's was the very best race, 100+ guys in one class! Classes we like are;
1 cell 17.5 with a wing
2 cell 21.5 unchanged
1 cell open mod, anything goes

remember these are just opinions, NO RIGHT or WRONG so no bashing!

17.5 1c no wing, or cot from protoform/macallister
21.5 unchanged
1 cell open mod, open

2cents

13.5 1 cell no wing
21.5 2 cell (unchanged)
open mod
and maybe a 17.5 1 cell (rookie class-spec tires)

1 cell 17.5 no wing
1 cell 13.5 COT
2 cell 21.5 with a wing (to replace 2 cell 17.5)

1 cell 17.5 COT, maybe World GT spec tires(they've worked out good at our local track)
1 cell 13.5 COT
2 cell 21.5 with a wing
1 cell mod


IMHO the bottom 2 classes need to have similar body rules and the uppper 2 classes need to have similar rules.

I would actually like to see it down to 3 classes but I dont think it will happen.

I thought the first race at Allen's was all 4300?

your right is was, my fingers got ahead of me LOL

The First Race Was 4300 Only

13.5 1 Cell 21.2 Body Rules That Are In Place Now
21.5 2 Cell Body Rules That Are In Place Now
17.5 2 Cell Body Rules That Are In Place Now

Most Places That We Race At Are Not Big Enough To Handle Eny More Speed Then The 17.5 2 Cell. After That They Just Turn In To The Car That Finished Not The Best Driver Or The Best Car. All It Takes Is The One Mixer That Takes The Hole Feild Out. If You Open It Up To 2 Cell 17.5 And 1 Cell With What Ever Motor Is Equivelent Then You Get What We Had This Year With The Mix Of Cells And Lipo And This Guy And That Guy Not Going To Races Becouse They New That The Guy With The Cells Was Going To Beat Them. So Wy Race For 2nd Or 3rd Im Not Saying That It Isnt Posible To Beat A 10.5 4 Cell With A 17.5 Lipo Just The Thoughts That A Person Would Create For Them Selves Wether It Was True Or Not It. I Personaly Thought That The 10.5 Cells Were Better Then The 17.5 Lipo And Decided Not To Run More Then One Class Becouse Of This. I Had The Option To Go Get Cells Just As Eny One Else But Chose To Just Not Race That Class So This Efected The Car Count And We Always Need More Cars

My 2 Cents

Ben Sackett

My thoughts are close to what everyone else has said.

Replace 17.5 4 cell with 13.5 single cell lipo.

Leave 21.5 2 cell alone, good close racing.

Make the 17.5 - 10.5 a 17.5 lipo only class. There will always be questions as to which is faster, this way no excuses.

I like the body rules as they exist now, but if the new Protoform COT looks good and performs good, maybe on the 13.5 single cell class.

:thumbsup:

I agree with Ben and AJ 1 cell 13.5 (Body ?), 21.5 2 cell (Same rules), 17.5 2 cell (Same rules) It would save alot of re-writing rules, and let the 1 cell vs. 2 cell shake out a little. And some of the BRL races host a non points class this could be a chance to try some other options. Just My $.02 worth. Terry Christy

I, personally, like;
17.5 2c as is, with wings
21.5 2c as is without wings
13.5 1c with the ort body no wing
17.5 1c with the cot body and spec tires
This way there is a clear visual difference in the classes and something for everyone. But, this line-up would kill round cells and I don't know how that would go over.

13.5 1 CELL
21.5 2 CELL, SAME RULES
17.5 2 CELL, SAME RULES

Now to open a new can of worms.
There was talk at the last BRL race about getting new racers into oval. I know some are going to say, make the 13.5 class novice only. Well, 17.5 4-cell last year was the closest to stock brush racing that we've had since brushless came out. There are a lot of guys that want to race at that level because they were stock racers before. I know there are some racers that think the BRL isn't a place for novice racres to be. Well if you're just starting out and running a novice class at your local track, why not have a class where all the new people starting out can come to, to race against other new people from other tracks? Say maybe no points for the class.

1 Cell 13.5...COT Body Replace 4 cell 17.5
2 Cell 21.5...Same Rules No Wing!! This is:beatdeadhorse: topic. The Wing stays OFF! No further disscusion and we continue on with great racing! :wave:

2 Cell 17.5...Same Rules

I do think a 1 Cell 17.5 COT Body, Spec Tires, Same motor, Same Speedo Class would be cool. Let new racers entering the sport, or racers that have Losi RTRs get into pan car racing at a slow speed, with affordable tires & electronics. The class also needs to be policed with who races it. Keep it a true beginners class for those just starting or a years worth of expierence.

my 2 cents..thats probably not worth even that.

We thought the very first BRL at Allen's was the very best race, 100+ guys in one class!

Agreed!

Chuck & Chuck, we need one NON BRL Points race, that is 21.5 Only! The BRL 21.5 Nationals or something. Lets get that 100 car class again. Nothing like having 50+ cars on the same lap! :p

1 Cell 13.5...COT Body Replace 4 cell 17.5
2 Cell 21.5...Same Rules No Wing!! This is:beatdeadhorse: topic. The Wing stays OFF! No further disscusion and we continue on with great racing! :wave:

2 Cell 17.5...Same Rules

I do think a 1 Cell 17.5 COT Body, Spec Tires, Same motor, Same Speedo Class would be cool. Let new racers entering the sport, or racers that have Losi RTRs get into pan car racing at a slow speed, with affordable tires & electronics. The class also needs to be policed with who races it. Keep it a true beginners class for those just starting or a years worth of expierence.

my 2 cents..thats probably not worth even that.

yeah! what he said ,looks good to me :wave:

I agree with AJ & Mark that looks good. Man that horse is takin a beatin!!

Appreciate the input guys. I'm taking it all in and processing......

Mark, I like the idea of a 21.5 only race. As I've told some people, Fastlane probably won't be hosting a BRL tour date; maybe we could hold a 21.5 National.

Appreciate the input guys. I'm taking it all in and processing......

Mark, I like the idea of a 21.5 only race. As I've told some people, Fastlane probably won't be hosting a BRL tour date; maybe we could hold a 21.5 National.that would be an awesome idea to have it at fastlane i love that track!:thumbsup:

the 21.5 class i agree when the rules are pretty much set in stone. 17.5 single cell which is the class my two boys would run, and they are all set up with gtb spedos and have the motors all i would need to do is dump the sub-c packs and pick the lipo. My ? is will i need to get like a spec spedo then as apposed to what they have.

I agree with Mark.:thumbsup:

21.5 Nationals at Fastlane:thumbsup::dude: Im in 4 that and its a great idea. I have a 3 bedroom house how many people want to stay 4 the weekend...Chuck just make it on a weekend when I dont have Dylan...

I'm changing my classes for next year lol.
17.5 1cell<--should be a great class
13.5 1cell
21.5 2 cell
17.5 2 cell
Keep the top 2c classes for 1 more year and see how the 1c shakes out for the faster classes in 2010/2011

Now I have a topic of discussion lol, here is my issue with the class structures right now. It is impossible right now to run the same car in 2 classes like you use to be able to do in stock/19t/mod. The years I went to snowbirds I would always run the same car in stock/19t or 19t/mod, just switch the motor. (maybe not ideal but is a cheap way to get some more racing in)

I have nothing against no wings in 21.5, except for you really cant beat and bang on eachother. Obviously it has worked fine and it really doesnt matter one way or the other to me. BUT The problem I have is that it makes it really expensive to run 2 classes because now you need a whole other car to run a 2nd class. (going between 21.5/17.5)

With the current rules differences between 21.5/17.5 for a 21.5 racer to move up and switch over their existing car to 17.5 they need:
Motor $75-85 (granted they would need this anyway)
5000mah battery $90-$125
Body $20
Wing & mount $30
Total= $215-$260

$215-$260 to go and get 4 laps put on you by frank isn't much incentive for racers to push themselves and try out the faster class. By the same tolken it is even more money for the 17.5 guys to get another car together to run 21.5 as a 2nd class.

I know this would never fly but I would be happy with the spec SMC 3200 in 17.5 or open 3200 since we're not coming anywhere close to using 5000mah, it doesnt make much sense to me to have a different mah battery.(might slow the 17.5 class down a tick as well) That in addition to having the same body rules would allow racers to more easily switch from 21.5-17.5 and vice versa with just a switch of a motor. It is intimidating enough for 21.5 racers to move up let alone having a completely different set of rules, inexperience with a wing and money makes it even harder. I would have liked to run 21.5 more this year but having to spend alot of money to get another car together kind of put it out of the question for me.

It would be nice to see the top 2 classes have a closer rules package and the bottom 2 classes have a close rules package.

Well said Hayzie, at least someone in the family has some intelligence. Where did you get that from??

So no wings in 17.5 and the SMC Spec back for Jr next year :)

Just kidding, there is a concern (at least in my mind) that with the class structure as you presented it (which has been talked about a lot) that you can't easily run two classes. And that if you can't run two classes, it doesn't make it worth somebody's time to travel X many miles to go racing.


I'm thinking a Bar-B-Q, bench racing session, and testing/racing day may be in order for June @ the 'Lane.

I agree with JR 100% I think the top two classes need to be closser together in rules.

Chuck I'm up for a set down next month. See you at Kansas speedway next weekend.

Jason

Oh buy the way I will be running 21.5 next year with or without a wing.:thumbsup:

Our thoughts were keep it as few a classes as possible to keep car counts up as much as possible in each. 1 cell 17.5 3200 leave the back in the car so you could step up to 21.5 if you wanted but run a wing to help the new guy keep the car planted. So all you would have to do is remove the wing, change motors (which you have to do any way) and away you go $20.00 dollar difference in the two classes. 21.5 as is. 1 cell open mod with 3200s (JRs idea) again change motors which you would need any way and a different body and wing combo, $35.00 difference Three classes with full range of speed and min. amount of money to change over.

Mod guys, what kind of winds could you run and still make run time with 3200s?

So no wings in 17.5 and the SMC Spec back for Jr next year :)

Just kidding, there is a concern (at least in my mind) that with the class structure as you presented it (which has been talked about a lot) that you can't easily run two classes. And that if you can't run two classes, it doesn't make it worth somebody's time to travel X many miles to go racing.


I'm thinking a Bar-B-Q, bench racing session, and testing/racing day may be in order for June @ the 'Lane.

3200 Spec pack sounds good to me! I'm sure it would never happen though, but the open battery rule with lipo sucks IMO. I know there are other BRL racers who feel that way too. Not to mention most guys with sponsorships end up running whats faster anyways, wether it is motor, esc or battery I saw a ton of sponsored drivers running something other than their sponsors product this year at all the major races I was at. At the very least if 17.5 lipo is around have it ROAR approved packs.

1cell mod sounds fun to me, but I think getting a class of people that can run it will be difficult.

I hope Kevin doesnt mind but I copied and pasted his post from on one of the other threads, thought it was good and agree.
I'm not convinced that an open mod class, or anything faster than say 2c/17.5 is even needed. As a former modified racer, when we made the switch to 4-cell/brushless mod motors(3.5), MANY of the mod racers felt that the cars were too fast already. That's why 6-cell mod has died out years ago. With the exception of Snowbirds, none of the other "big" races(ovalmaster, carpet/paved oval nats, BRL) even have a solid mod crowd anymore. Usually the top 3-4 guys can actually get around the track, and the rest of the field is 3-5 laps off the pace, and it's a wreckfest because of it.

I know me personally, I'm content to have 2c/17.5 be the fastest class for now, knowing technology is only gonna make it faster and faster in the next couple years. I'm not a big fan of 1c for ALL classes yet, especially in the fastest class, where lower car weights will just make them even harder to drive(6-cell cars were a dream to drive compared to 4-cell cars handling wise!)
My 2 cents!

Well said Hayzie, at least someone in the family has some intelligence. Where did you get that from??

Uhh...Milkman??? :p

My vote for classes:
1c 17.5
2c 21.5 no wings, stock car bodies period. 1" spoiler No body cutting rules
1c Open anything. Stock car bodies.

This way there's enough separation between classes, and 21.5 2 cell will be big.

good luck chuck, I see that you have plenty of input.

let me know if YOU need anything next season. I will wait for class info before any purchases are made.

Wolfman

17.5 1c
21.5 2c
17.5 2c

those are the classes that i would like to see for sure. 13.5 1c would be ok also. I think 4 classes would be the max thought, so we might want to keep it to 3 classes and 1 track class.

Also I have read that some guys would like to see wings on 21.5 2c class. What if you only allowed a 5" wing on the 21.5's and up to a 6.25" wing on the 17.5 2c cars. Just a thought.

1 Cell 13.5...COT Body Replace 4 cell 17.5

Mark, I like the 13.5 1 cell and same rules as last year for the 17.5 4 cell class. I don't like the COT and Spec. tires or Speedo. That may be a good class for the local club class but for the BRL we need a little more tune ability with the tires and bodies. Chuck, PLEASE... DON'T TAKE THEM AWAY.....

My 2 cents
Jack :thumbsup:

Mark, I like the 13.5 1 cell and same rules as last year for the 17.5 4 cell class. I don't like the COT and Spec. tires or Speedo. That may be a good class for the local club class but for the BRL we need a little more tune ability with the tires and bodies. Chuck, PLEASE... DON'T TAKE THEM AWAY.....

My 2 cents
Jack :thumbsup:


Hey Jack,

I like the idea of the COT Body, Spec Tires & Same Speedo etc in a 1 cell 17.5 class for a True Beginner, not the 1 cell 13.5 class. I would leave that the same rules as the 4 cell class from this past season, less the possible COT Body.

Hey Jack,

I like the idea of the COT Body, Spec Tires & Same Speedo etc in a 1 cell 17.5 class for a True Beginner, not the 1 cell 13.5 class. I would leave that the same rules as the 4 cell class from this past season, less the possible COT Body. you might get more of the locals race if they new they were on an even keel. i don't mean people are getting special equipmnent. i'm talking if they didn't have to have a bunch of different tire combos or the latest greatest speedo to be competitive.

I agree with what both Hays and Kevin posted.

leave the 21.5 class the same. great class
second class should be 1cell 17.5...I think the 1cell 13.5 will be to close in speed to the 2cell 21.5 class.
Just my opinion.

There is actually a pretty big difference. 21.5 was 4 laps faster than 13.5/1 cell at Iron Maximus in Maine this weekend. 10.5/1 cell should be real close to 21.5.

If I get to throw my two cents into it...

17.5 / 1C (only to grow racing- rather not see four classes, but...)
13.5 / 1C (popular out east and heading to the midwest)
21.5 Lipo as it is now... (most popular class in the Midwest- if it ain't broke...)
17.5 LiPo as it is now... (seems to work fine)

The only thing I'd ask for is that we cut the backs out. My sole reasoning is with the body intact, IMO it's far easier to punt someone out of your way. Otherwise, I think we need a year of as little change as possible.

I like Todd's classes. I would like to see different bodies in some of the classes like the COT and trucks that was discussed earlier.

I would like to see the Proto COT in the 13.5 class.

I think it would be a real good body for 13.5 too. I'd be interested to see how it was in 21.5.

:freak:1 Cell 13.5...COT Body Replace 4 cell 17.5
2 Cell 21.5...Same Rules No Wing!! This is:beatdeadhorse: topic. The Wing stays OFF! No further disscusion and we continue on with great racing! :wave:

2 Cell 17.5...Same Rules

I do think a 1 Cell 17.5 COT Body, Spec Tires, Same motor, Same Speedo Class would be cool. Let new racers entering the sport, or racers that have Losi RTRs get into pan car racing at a slow speed, with affordable tires & electronics. The class also needs to be policed with who races it. Keep it a true beginners class for those just starting or a years worth of expierence.

my 2 cents..thats probably not worth even that.I need to state my opinion on this one...

The 13.5 Single cell class with a COT body... I'm not to sure if the car is fast enough for the benefits of the design. We had someone try and run this body here at TRi-State and ...in my opinion, The speed didn't carry the car into the corners as well as the old bodies do. However, back then, we didn't race as competitively either. For the combination of the 2 (13.5 Single Cell and The COT body) I think that further testing needs to be done before commiting into the forementioned.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt fellas,

EricL #11

Ya know, as much as I publicly despise the current COT bodies on the market (and the real NA$CAR), the Protoform isn't too darn bad looking! Looks like it'll have decent downforce, too...

Might just be ok afterall...

Although I haven't run any 13.5 1 cell cars yet, I think we should let the 13.5 one cell class run any body that was legal last season in the 17.5 4 cell class. I think the cars will be slow enough without having to many SPEC. items. eg:COT Body.

Mark, sorry buddy, This is my only disagreement with your thinking.:wave:

Jack

How about we get the results from the finals this year then talk about next year:)?

Ouch... Jason... That hurt:wave:


Jack

I know, but I know there are a bunch of people out there that want to see what the results were.