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I read the reviews at AICN, people are going absolutely ape over this film.

all they nay sayers will be eating serious crow it looks like :)

Jafo,

There's no crow on my menu. I have read all of the reviews posted thus far, and all it does is confirm my worst fears. Call me a hater if you feel so inclined, but I will not accept this movie as "Star Trek" - PERIOD.

Everyone who is looking forward to this, please enjoy.

Larry

:cry:

Everyone who is looking forward to this, please enjoy.

Larry

:cry:

First Trek movie I've had any interest in in 15 years. I suspect I will.

I think I understand both points of view.
I'ts hard to see something you truly love to be modified for a potential audience that has no memory or love for the original.

But, How bad can it be if it fires up a love for the series as a whole?

I've found great artists by liking a song and then going back through their whole cataloge. Maybe this will do that for folks.

Steve

It sounds interesting, I'll see it when it gets cheap...

WHAT??? The audience wasn't persuaded by the arguments presented by people who hated the movie sight unseen?? You mean people weren't repulsed by the abortion of a ship??

Way to go JJ. I hope this film lives up to the positive reviews.

Wish I could have been there at the moment Leonard Nimoy walked on stage. That would have been great!!

I think I've read every online reaction and haven't found a single negative review, even from the few professional outlets there. Nevertheless, this movie WILL always stink to those who made up their minds about it a year ago...as Spock might say: "Fascinating. A completely parochial attitude!"

Wish I could have been there at the moment Leonard Nimoy walked on stage. That would have been great!!

I wish I could have been there, too! Well, this is the next best thing:

http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/07/video-and-photos-from-surprise-star-trek-showing-in-austin-tx/

I"Fascinating. A completely parochial attitude!"

"Stone him... he is not of the body!"

No doubt the occasional negative review will eventually pop up, but overall I expect the critical response to be pretty positive. As I've been saying for the last few months, Trek XI is a good movie. Not great, but good, and in any case closer in tone and spirit to TOS than any other Trek incarnation I've seen since... well, since TOS.

I'll post a more detailed review within the next couple of days.

I think I understand both points of view.
I'ts hard to see something you truly love to be modified for a potential audience that has no memory or love for the original.

That's a very good way of putting it!

I think that minds, in particular the negative ones, were made long before the film was threaded into the projector (or the camera for that matter). If you went in hating it, you're gonna stick to your guns despite the fact that opinions from those who have now SEEN it-no more speculation, no more guessing-have been overwhelmingly positive. I think it's sad, but that is their right.

I wasnt pointing at anyone in particular. however, I find it amusing that sci fi fans who are normally the most open minded people will not accept this movie as "star trek" just beacuse it doesnt fit "their" vision of what was, though it is, in fact star trek. Maybe I should have said, some and not all.

People have seen it and are enthusiastic. Good for them! No hard feelings on my part. I'm not screaming in a closet over the news.

However, there's been a lot of feldercarb type movies out there that lots of folks have liked that I didn't care for. I'm of a "wait-and-see" attitude and very unenthusiastic due solely to the last couple of Trek movies that were absolutely awful (except for some of the cool hardware, I must admit).

If it wins me over, I'll be sure to let you know. I may be dragged to see it by friends despite my trepidations based on the promotional information released so far.

I really want to hear what folks here think about it after they've seen it. Then I may perk up my ears some. :wave:

What's very cool about this screening is that all the 1950's era valves and pipes, each w/ their little string-tied cardboard tags identifying what-is-what, in the engineering room is now public info. Nevermind the ship's redesign, out of everything, those little string-tied name tags are really the only thing that have pissed me off about the film.

But the garbage disposal gag ain't a winner. Nor one character's LGM-friend. (Why do Kirk and Pike get green women, but this guy gets an LGM? Maybe the Tribble makes up for it.) Can't say as I was impressed with, or that, Pine's open-mouthed, wide-eyed, suffocating-fish routine was all that Kirk-like. And what was up with the 'cowboy' dudes? Should Spock be getting a quicky mind-meld like that? I thought that was supposed to be deeply personal? Ah well, in another time, another universe perhaps it was. I'm hoping the phasers' pea-shooter-fling-mechanism got erased? It wasn't good. There's more...

But ya know, anytime you name the universe-ending almighty bad guy after a Roman emperor (but most especially Nero of them all), you're in some kind of creatively-starved trouble. ( I guess 'Tiberius ' was already taken! lol) Perhaps these and many other reasons are why this is only a good film and not a great one as Carson mentioned.

I can't wait 'til it's all over. To not have yet-another raving post about a leaked detail show up -yet again, will be bliss!

As a life-long trekker, the fact is every trek film or episode of any series can be savaged and w/ terribly good reason by someone somewhere, especially a level-headed fan that can poke fun at the object of affection and still enjoy it despite it's inanity.

Let's face it, even if this is the absolutely best trek film ever, that actually says very little given the playing field.

Well, if I enjoy the story, I too will let y'all know. It was the look of the film and the fuglification of the ship that I hated. I'm wide open to a good story. But I'll still hate what they did to the ship. ;)

I'm still gonna wait for the DVD release, though.

Oh wait - I just rememebered have some free theater passes! I can see it without wasting a cent! Hmm...

I'm still gonna wait for the DVD release, though...

Trust me John, if you don't see Trek XI on the big screen you'll end up wishing you had.

People have seen it and are enthusiastic. Good for them! No hard feelings on my part. I'm not screaming in a closet over the news.

However, there's been a lot of feldercarb type movies out there that lots of folks have liked that I didn't care for. I'm of a "wait-and-see" attitude and very unenthusiastic due solely to the last couple of Trek movies that were absolutely awful (except for some of the cool hardware, I must admit).

If it wins me over, I'll be sure to let you know. I may be dragged to see it by friends despite my trepidations based on the promotional information released so far.

I really want to hear what folks here think about it after they've seen it. Then I may perk up my ears some. :wave:

Last couple of Trek movies absolutely awful? That's an understatement. Here's what I'd like to say to Rick Berman:

Hello.
My name is Inigo Montoya.
You killed Captain Kirk. And Commander Data. And Trip.
Prepare to die.

Fuglification? I like it. :p

Trust me John, if you don't see Trek XI on the big screen you'll end up wishing you had.

I have a lovely 32" Sony in my nice private living room. ;)

Trumped by the somewhat bigger screen at the local Mega-plex.;)

Huzz

While I did not like the look of the ship, I reserved passing any judgement on the film until I could see a trailer or two.
The trailers did nothing for me. And I am one of the few people who loved Nemesis!
Seems to be geared toward the "texting" youngsters, too bad.:cry:

Well, if I enjoy the story, I too will let y'all know. It was the look of the film and the fuglification of the ship that I hated. I'm wide open to a good story. But I'll still hate what they did to the ship.

A great, exciting story is all that is left to look forward to, IMHO. Unless they do some impossibly neato things with the hardware and ships, I doubt there'll be a coolness factor for me there.

We'll have to wait and see about the movie's story. I won't start complimenting the movie ahead of time unless I'm paid to do so.:p

Unless they do some impossibly neato things with the hardware and ships, I doubt there'll be a coolness factor for me there.

Oh Ye of Little Faith... :)

There's been so much talk about the Enterprise, but come May 5 I suspect a lot of spaceship geeks will be itching for a (preferably articulated) model kit version of Spock's (i.e. Nimoy's) ship. Glimpsed fleetingly in the trailers, it's one of the coolest and most visually dynamic spaceships to hit the screen in some time.

As for the story, I initially found some of the plot elements (time travel, revenge-seeking villain) to be overly familiar. Thing is, the more I think about it, the aforementioned familiarity often works in the story's favor in that it obviates the need for exposition thereby creating breathing room for character development. In that regard Trek XI is rather old fashioned (in a TOS kinda way); the characters, i.e. Kirk and Spock, are the stars of the show, and the action revolves around them, as opposed to the other way around.

^^If the drawings of the Jellyfish in the countdown comic are accurate, then I heartily agree with your sentiments

Hi Folks,
I normally hang out on the Slot Forum, but I rome now and then. Anyway, I like the Star Trek TV series, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise and the movies.
My question is this, What's the plot of the new Star Trek movie? I heard somewhere it was pre James T Kirk and crew. Is it?
Thanks in advance, Randy.

Hi Folks,
I normally hang out on the Slot Forum, but I rome now and then. Anyway, I like the Star Trek TV series, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise and the movies.
My question is this, What's the plot of the new Star Trek movie? I heard somewhere it was pre James T Kirk and crew. Is it?
Thanks in advance, Randy.


Yes. I don't have a link myself but google the topic or even search for it on these fora and you'll have information ad nauseam.

Oh Ye of Little Faith... :)

There's been so much talk about the Enterprise, but come May 5 I suspect a lot of spaceship geeks will be itching for a (preferably articulated) model kit version of Spock's (i.e. Nimoy's) ship. Glimpsed fleetingly in the trailers, it's one of the coolest and most visually dynamic spaceships to hit the screen in some time.

As for the story, I initially found some of the plot elements (time travel, revenge-seeking villain) to be overly familiar. Thing is, the more I think about it, the aforementioned familiarity often works in the story's favor in that it obviates the need for exposition thereby creating breathing room for character development. In that regard Trek XI is rather old fashioned (in a TOS kinda way); the characters, i.e. Kirk and Spock, are the stars of the show, and the action revolves around them, as opposed to the other way around.

Rob, I really want you to be right about this. For now, however, it's "bah, humbug!" The whole Nero-Romulan aspect scares me into thinking this movie is going to be Where Nemesis Has Gone Before. :eek:

Rob, I really want you to be right about this. For now, however, it's "bah, humbug!" The whole Nero-Romulan aspect scares me into thinking this movie is going to be Where Nemesis Has Gone Before. :eek:
If you read the comic book/graphic novel, "Star Trek: Countdown," you'll see that the storyline for Star Trek XI actually starts after "Nemesis" and includes several elements of ST:TNG. It certainly sets up the story, shows Nero's motivation and why he and Spock are there in the new movie.

I'm also getting the impression that reading "Countdown" is not a requirement to understand the movie.

Jim

If you read the comic book/graphic novel, "Star Trek: Countdown," you'll see that the storyline for Star Trek XI actually starts after "Nemesis" and includes several elements of ST:TNG. It certainly sets up the story, shows Nero's motivation and why he and Spock are there in the new movie.

I'm also getting the impression that reading "Countdown" is not a requirement to understand the movie.

Jim

Ah! I see! It was intentional.:freak:

Did the writers not realize just how awful Nemesis was?:confused:

Did the writers not realize just how awful Nemesis was?:confused:

While I would agree that "Nemesis" was really bad (but not as bad as "Insurrection" or ST5), "Countdown" starts many years after "Nemesis" and has no relationship to that story other than it has Romulans, Remans and a resurrected Data/B4.

Trust me, "Countdown" has a good standalone storyline.

Jim

At the risk of sounding like a cliche'd tv ad, here's my humble advice to those who have announced that they are not going to see this one in the theartre.

Go anyway. If you don't like it, you are out like what, ten bucks and a couple of hours of your time? But if you find that you do like it, in spite of your views in the ship, well - that's a priceless experience.

Huzz

Ah! I see! It was intentional.:freak:

Did the writers not realize just how awful Nemesis was?:confused:

The Countdown Story doesn't really have much to do with Nemesis.

The only throwbacks to Nemesis that I remember are:
Captain Data of the Enterprise-E actually being B-4
and
Reman ships showing up the Enterprise fending them off

Other than that, it is its own story, and a pretty good one at that IMHO.

Like Carson, I've also seen it.

And like alot of you, I'm also a long time Treker who was outraged by the creative license taken. Last year, when I started seeing what it would look like I remember literally ranting when I realized how little design continuity there was with TOS....

...but what I didn't realize until I saw the finished film was how much I've missed that old time, red blooded, two fisted Trek. You know that thing that happens on a hot summer day when you think "I'm just a little thirsty, I need a sip of something cold" and start drinking, only to down the entire 20 oz Gatorade in one swallow?

That's what seeing this film was like for me. I had no idea how much I've missed that old non-Berman style of characterizing and action until now. I really liked the TOS movies, but let's face it, our heroes were already in their fifties for the most part. This film has a....I don't know....verility(?) that hasn't been seen in Trek since....well, the sixties.

Yes, Pine isn't Shatner. Skylar isn't Nimoy. But what I now realize is that these characters are like Bond or Zoro. They're so well designed and entertaining that multiple guys can play them. Yes, Bill and Leonard will always have the Connery "I did it first" slot, but I now know that this "thing" that Roddenberry created can and possibly will survive the passing of the torch.

It's not a "great film". It's a very entertaining, "good movie".

Woof.

This film has a....I don't know....verility(?) that hasn't been seen in Trek since....well, the sixties.

I believe "virility" is the word you're looking for. Unless you're looking for "vitality." In either case it's an apt description.

I admit I hadn't really thought about it in those terms, but now that you mention it Trek XI has cajones (if you'll pardon the expression), a quality it shares with TOS. And while I agree it falls short of being a great film, it definitely comes to life to an extent few Trek incarnations have.

While I would agree that "Nemesis" was really bad (but not as bad as "Insurrection" or ST5), "Countdown" starts many years after "Nemesis" and has no relationship to that story other than it has Romulans, Remans and a resurrected Data/B4.

Trust me, "Countdown" has a good standalone storyline.

Jim

You've actually made a distinction between the awfulness of Nemesis, Insurrection, and STV? :D

I'll trust you on "Countdown," but I still have to be convinced on STXI.

You've actually made a distinction between the awfulness of Nemesis, Insurrection, and STV? :D

There is. The first felt like a retread of TWOK, though I'm one of the few people who liked it. The second just felt like a two-part episode, not worthy of a feature film, though again I'm one of the few who liked it. STV, for all of its flaws, had its heart in the right place when it came to the interactions of the Big Three, but the storyline and production values, were subpar.

Trumped by the somewhat bigger screen at the local Mega-plex.;)

Huzz

Trumped by the 20-minute drive, difficult parking, all the idiots milling about as the movie starts, babies crying, cell phone conversations, teenagers cracking wise, youngsters running in thru aisles, missing 5 minutes to pee in the middle....

Yes, I'm an official gurmudgeon.

^^Yeah, I agree about the superiority of home viewing--I can get close to my big screen HDTV without hurting my neck. Visually, it's the same thing as watching it in a movie theatre.

Yes, I'm an official gurmudgeon.

Is that because you Guuuuurrrrrr at people when they do things you don't like? :D

... and here I always thought that John was a curmudgeon.... :freak:


:p

Well, if we're going to start correcting the spelling of words, it's cojones

Well, if we're going to start correcting the spelling of words, it's cojones

Yeah, Trek XI is admittedly short on furniture drawers and wooden box drums.

:)

Yeah, Trek XI is admittedly short on furniture drawers and wooden box drums.

:)

Haven't seen too many shots of the sets, but from the looks of them, you couldn't fit too many of those with all those lights everywhere. :tongue:

There is. The first felt like a retread of TWOK, though I'm one of the few people who liked it. The second just felt like a two-part episode, not worthy of a feature film, though again I'm one of the few who liked it. STV, for all of its flaws, had its heart in the right place when it came to the interactions of the Big Three, but the storyline and production values, were subpar.

I thought Insurrection was a great piece of science fiction storytelling. In describing it as a two-part episode, WHAT IS BAD ABOUT THAT? Were the episodes not what we all tuned in to every week and loved so much? First Contact, to me, was far too much about the action and very weak on story (oh boy... time travel... again.) Insurrection had some good visuals, but it was funny, charming, and told about the quest for eternal youth and beauty and those who covet it.

Nemesis was cool, but weak on story. I still liked it. I thought it would have had far more impact with two changes: Let Data be DEAD. Have the nerve to kill him off and mean it. Two, SHOW US THE TITAN. I mean, you tease us with it all movie, but where is it? Okay, I'll add a third... I would have liked to see the Betazed wedding ceremony done very seriously. Majel Barrett deserved one more turn as Lwaxana.

The look of the new ship, the new actors, NONE OF THESE THINGS BOTHER ME. I rather like the new designs. But ANOTHER TIME-LINE STORY??? Please, leave time travel to the experts from Gallifrey.

Trumped by the 20-minute drive, difficult parking, all the idiots milling about as the movie starts, babies crying, cell phone conversations, teenagers cracking wise, youngsters running in thru aisles, missing 5 minutes to pee in the middle....

Yes, I'm an official gurmudgeon.

Jump on the plane and come to my town (direct flights here from NY in May I think). The plex is only ten minutes away. None of your listed items will be a problem. And if you don't drink a gallon of soda before the film I won't have to take you to the can half way through the movie. I just about have my 6 year old trained not to guzzle his drink, you should be no problem. :lol:And I'll even treat for fish and chips at Bridie Molloys - best munchies you'll ever eat - just ask Griff!

Huzz

Hey, I don't even wanna drive to Paramus and pay theater admission to see this, I sure ain't gonna pay for an airline ticket and spend three hours on a plane! :lol:

I have some free theater passes, I'll probably see it for free on my week off in May.

Jafo,

There's no crow on my menu. I have read all of the reviews posted thus far, and all it does is confirm my worst fears. Call me a hater if you feel so inclined, but I will not accept this movie as "Star Trek" - PERIOD.

Everyone who is looking forward to this, please enjoy.

Larry

:cry:
Ditto.

Hey, I don't even wanna drive to Paramus and pay theater admission to see this, I sure ain't gonna pay for an airline ticket and spend three hours on a plane! :lol:

I have some free theater passes, I'll probably see it for free on my week off in May.

No arguing that! And I thought my immense charm and appeal would be an irresistible offer! :lol: Consider it a standing invite! If you ever come in late May or June, there should be lots of icebergs drifting by, just outside the harbor. Heck, a local brewery even makes a fine local beer from thousands of years old iceberg water. Now there's incentive!

http://www.icebergfinder.com/

Huzz