the reason why i ask this question is because this past weekend at our local track the track prep was done by a fellow driver and through out the day that person was being called out for only preping his groove... i didn't see it to be this way but thats what the guy was being accused of.... the track was sprayed really thick in one thick line in the corners and the rest of the corners where real inconsistant and almost none at all in the straights.. i would like some insight to see what others out there think... owe yeah the guy that prepped the track tq'd and won..... i am asking if you are familiar with this situation please dont start dropping names the last thing we need is any more drama.... i was just wondering if this is normal around the country or if a person that is not racing should normally prep the track so there is less of a chance for some one to get called out for prepping it just for the way they drive or just for there rdive line....

I guess those complaining should have gone out to help so it was done to their satisfaction :rolleyes:

Well Said HANK!

Truth, as a guy who prepares the local track...I know I aim to prep the track for MY groove, but not just MY groove...but the 'FAST GROOVE'

Somebody yesterday yelled out from the PITS -- "HEY, Don't just do YOUR GROOVE" and my reply was... "Hey, there's more ROOTBEER over there, GRAB A BOTTLE and spray along the WALLS so you're groove is covered too" (This was in gest, but nobody helped spray the track...and I would have LOVED some assistance)

Right on Hank, if you are not willing to put in the effort, then shout up and drive.

I Think I Know What Track This Is And I Am Pretty Sure I Know Who They Are Talking About.. The Track Was Not That Bad It Wasn't Perfect But It Was Good Enough If This Is Who Or Where I Am Thinking Of. This Was The Guys First Time Prepping The Track So I Dont Think One Line Was Prepped Better Than Another I Just Think He Did What He Thought Was Right And Maybe Some Others Didn't Like It The Way He Did It...

there is only one groove if you think there is a second that is where the problem lies...lol

Like Hank said volunteer or be quiet! right on Hank!

Unless the track owner does not want it, usually volunteering to participate in vacuuming, setting up, and tearing down the track is welcomed, obviously. I think the issue of letting a racer spray the track is definitely something that has to be agreed upon by the track owner and other racers. Spraying a track should not be taken lightly as it can really affect many things.

I guess those complaining should have gone out to help so it was done to their satisfaction :rolleyes:

Hank, you have a PM.

Steve.

That's why NO track should be sprayed. Then it would be the same for everyone. Spraying the track is for sissies.

Dave Irrgang

That's why NO track should be sprayed. Then it would be the same for everyone. Spraying the track is for sissies.

Dave Irrgang


DAVE I HAVE NEVER MET YOU BUT I SURE LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK...

ALTHOUGH I THINK SOME WOULD HAVE TO PUT A LOT MORE WORK INTO YOUR CAR BUT I THINK IF YOU COULD GET IT RIGHT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LOT FASTER.....

Dave, nice...

Everybody has to race on the same track. If one line is faster for whatever reason... run that one and quit whining!

lol I just saw this thread

Truth, here is some truth for you.

I steped up to the plate and took time out of my day to prep the track for you guys to race. Yes I can drive my car in the groove, there were a few that needed a a groove in the grandstands.. lol.

I sprayred four bottles of grape soda on the track after walking 3 laps blowing it, I even showed up 2 1/2 hours earler then I would have on a normal race day to do this. All those guys did was beat me up for it. So next time DO IT YOURSELF! The guys who had the proplems are the guys that wouldn't know a smooth, nice track if it bit them in the you know...

What "truth" failed to mention is that I do hold the track record there in both 21.5 and 17.5 There have been 3 guys I know that have sprayed the track, I went fast on all three days... If you tools spent half the time working on your cars as you do finding excuses for your cars well...

the fast are going to be fast, it doesn't matter who sparys or blows the track!

Dpreston,
No good deed goes unpunished.

Dave

amen Deacon Dave

What if everyone races????? no track prep????

It's still the same for everybody.

Well Said DPreston !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back in the mid 90's I owned a carpet track in Richmond, VA. I wanted to give the racers a place to race almost two years after the closing of the local track. One Firday night I was not able to be there and my wife watched the store for me. Fridays, I always vacumned the the out side of the track to get up loose stuff...never the grove. My wife, trying to help, vacumned the entire track. Saturday morning I caught "Holly Crackerjacks" from the racers. Yes....their setups had to change some that night, But some racers liked it (made for a different race night) and others did not. AS for my wife she never used the vacumn there again. I tried to keep an even playing field, unfornately dwindling racer counts and to much overhead lead to the close.

lol, looks like you should have ran his line!!! ;)

i prep a 240' runline outdoor asphalt track for our monthly series (year round)every month for the last 4 years.also help or helped do 2 other tracks in that time span,and also race.i have one other racer help with cleanup and prep.the oval shares pit tables with a dirt track that usually has an average of 130 racers every week.i got to say,these dirt guys are absolute pigs when it comes to cleaning up after themselves(thai food resturant on the premisis),so finding rice spread all over the tables and soy sauce everywhere is not out of the ordinary.preping the track takes more time cleaning up after these folks then you would believe.this weekend for me was the real marathon.went to las vegas early saturday morning(4:00)for nhra drag racing qualifying.got home at 1:oo am sunday morning,up at 4:30,at the track at 6:00 to blow and prep it so ea could race sunday.the guy who helps was in vegas the same weekend and couldent do any prep.had another friend come down from bakersfield spend 6 hours on it saturday,i spent 2 sunday morning.no help from anyone.had to listen to "make sure you prep my line" about 10 times.MY standerd answer-[edited - improper language]

I would much rather have a "fast guy" prep the track than someone that either doesn't know what he's doing or could care less about racing at all.

Luckily, up here in Carpet Oval Land, we don't generally have that issue. If you wanna help set-up the track, you'll be gettin' atta boys from everyone! Again, as long as you know what your doing. LOL!

It's no wonder track owners are so frustrated!

Current Poll Results -
80% for driver help
20% no driver help

i think its more a trust thing. if u see something going wroung go out and stop him>

I'll bet it wasn't the guys who TQ'd 21.5/spec was it farroutracing? Thats 2 bad, I didn't think there was any problems with the track on Sat. That fellow racer you are refering to has gotten pretty fast in the last couple of months and has either kicked his car chief in the butt to build him a good car or the old-timer shakes have gone away(sorry fellowracer). Anyways I don't think the track should be sprayed if we were racing on a weekly basis but nobody has been on the track in about 2-3weeks and I think it was only done to help bring the traction up.

I'll bet it wasn't the guys who TQ'd 21.5/spec was it farroutracing? Thats 2 bad, I didn't think there was any problems with the track on Sat. That fellow racer you are refering to has gotten pretty fast in the last couple of months and has either kicked his car chief in the butt to build him a good car or the old-timer shakes have gone away(sorry fellowracer). Anyways I don't think the track should be sprayed if we were racing on a weekly basis but nobody has been on the track in about 2-3weeks and I think it was only done to help bring the traction up.

cheater i didnt TQ if ur talking to me about TQing

In Oval racing, you are always looking for the extra 0.01. So what if a follow competor took time to prep, and did the track to his liking. I probly would have done the same.

farroutracing, I know you didn't tq, this track prep thing has happened quite a bit this year, its nothing new and doesn't give one guy an advantage over another, the fellow racer you are talking about has had his stuff together for the last couple of months

For those that did the griping.

I would bet that these guys sit on their butts the whole time someone is "working" on the track.

They should quit complaining and thank thier lucky stars they have somewhere to race. Oh and one other thing, they should get off thier duffs and help out.

Here is a pic of the under side of my yota body. I ran 4 packs with out cleaning the tire dust off the body, here is the proof the track was ok IF you didn't ride the outside pipe in the turns! I had to get out of the groove a few times to miss wrecks and I was fine, but then again i rolled back on the gas until I had the car under me again.

Here is a pic of the under side of my yota body. I ran 4 packs with out cleaning the tire dust off the body, here is the proof the track was ok IF you didn't ride the outside pipe in the turns! I had to get out of the groove a few times to miss wrecks and I was fine, but then again i rolled back on the gas until I had the car under me again.

"ALL" that foam costed you aleast .3 second each lap :p

A track was prepped by the track owner, director or another racer or not prepped at all....does it really matter? The race conditions was the same for all the racers...

Here is a pic of the under side of my yota body. I ran 4 packs with out cleaning the tire dust off the body, here is the proof the track was ok IF you didn't ride the outside pipe in the turns! I had to get out of the groove a few times to miss wrecks and I was fine, but then again i rolled back on the gas until I had the car under me again.

Looks like you were burning the RR off to me...lol Guess you didn't spray enough.:tongue: This thread is crazy...I should have thought about it earlier. You were fast and you sprayed your line. Everyone should have run your line and they would have been fine. You going to make the "A" next week in Daytona?:wave:

Looks like you were burning the RR off to me...lol Guess you didn't spray enough.:tongue: This thread is crazy...I should have thought about it earlier. You were fast and you sprayed your line. Everyone should have run your line and they would have been fine. You going to make the "A" next week in Daytona?:wave:

You think Bean is going to have him prep the track:dude:

Crying??? Are you crying??? There is NO CRYING in RACING!!!!

Crying??? Are you crying??? There is NO CRYING in RACING!!!!


It just gets the track wet and then you need a rain delay to reprep:tongue:

Crying??? Are you crying??? There is NO CRYING in RACING!!!!

There not cryin there whiiiiiniiinng.

In racing theres Racers and Whiners, in my book DPrestons always been a Racer.

For those that did the griping.

They should quit complaining and thank thier lucky stars they have somewhere to race.

You have a point there

I never realized tracks were so "multi-grooved" to where the guy who prepped the track would have an advantage...:confused:
Maybe the reason he won was because he was in THE groove? :thumbsup:

this all reminds me of NASCAR.... Can't race....track is slightly wet. Can't race track has some fast dry on it. Can't race, the track was not blown off. Can't race, there are hot dog wrappers in the breeze. I am starting to think those that are complaining just can't race. While those that realized the change in the track conditions good or worse adjusted thier car and went back to racing.

Face it, the groove changes. Last spring I was racing outdoors in Texas. The pollen would coat the track green. The race director would always drop 5lbs of powered sugar mixed with water on the track after blowing it off. I didn't like it, but I was going to race I had to adjust to it. Sure, pressure washing and soda would have been better, but since I was not the race director I kept quiet. By the middle of the quals, the groove would set in awesome becuase it was now clean rubber coated asphalt. The groove jent ment that you could not be more than a car width off at the apex or your car would be sliding into the now pollen dusted cushion. For the most part, it made me a better driver by driving the lines of the faster guys and how to adjust my car.

hats off to the guy who prepped the track and congrats on the track records...

hats off to the guy who prepped the track and congrats on the track records...
:thumbsup:

Is this horse dead yet?

Nawww not yet. Wait till someone posts that horse with his hoofs up in the air and the guy beatin on him. Then its DEAD :tongue:
Is this horse dead yet?

:beatdeadhorse: seriously is that all it takes?

....but WAIT - there's MORE!

It doesn't matter if a racer preps or the race director preps,the track will be the same for everyone, so get over it. One way or the other the fast guys will be fast and the slow guys will be slow,I know I'm one of the slow guys:)

It doesn't matter if a racer preps or the race director preps,the track will be the same for everyone, so get over it. One way or the other the fast guys will be fast and the slow guys will be slow,I know I'm one of the slow guys:)

Best reply yet.

Nawww not yet. Wait till someone posts that horse with his hoofs up in the air and the guy beatin on him. Then its DEAD :tongue:


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This one is even better

:beatdeadhorse: playing guns and roses "dead horse"

How does he prep a track.........with a shop vac.....lol