Anyone Have Any Comments About Using Motor Freezers Or Freezer Can Sprays===maybe It Adds Condensation Inside Motor & Will Harm Motor????

We were freezing the crap out of them at the snowbirds and i didnt see any problems there.

Anyone Have Any Comments About Using Motor Freezers Or Freezer Can Sprays===maybe It Adds Condensation Inside Motor & Will Harm Motor????

ICE IS NICE!!!:thumbsup:

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ICE IS NICE!!!:thumbsup:

Ross seeing ice in your pits is like seeing ice in hell!!! sorry brother couldn't resist

Dave ,ross Went To Doc. Other Day Pain In His Left Shoulder ==doc Said Put Some Ice On It ==ross Replied Doc Can I Put Some Heat On It ====dom

Anyone Have Any Comments About Using Motor Freezers Or Freezer Can Sprays===maybe It Adds Condensation Inside Motor & Will Harm Motor????

Waste of time and money. Not great for the motors, does nothing for performance. The reason you see people doing it is racers are lemmings.

Put a rotor on a Zubi meter and test it. Freeze the same rotor with some canned air and test it again. Decide for yourself who the lemmings are and who the fools are.

Sorry races arent won or lost on the Zubi meter, but the track. The frozen motors don't perform better. I always thought so based on observation during actual racing and I've confirmed it on the dyno.

frozen motors are good for fast laps... maybe the first 30 seconds of a race. after that it's all down hill.

I only used a freezer at the velodrome it helped keep the ESC from thermalling.

Thanks Guys I Got The Idea ==i Feel The Same Way ===domacuda

I can say we've seen motors that were "Chilled" come off the VELO on a 110+ day roughly 20 degrees cooler than a NON "Chilled" motor.

PERFORMANCE? can't say yes or not - with a difinitive answer...but the cooler motors DID set the faster time (in the same car)

Sorry races arent won or lost on the Zubi meter, but the track. The frozen motors don't perform better. I always thought so based on observation during actual racing and I've confirmed it on the dyno.

races arent won or lost on the dyno either pat.....
i think freezing your motor can make it a second maybe a little more faster
i have seen it.

you can lose the main by over freezing though:rolleyes:

Which would be why I referenced on track performance first Allan.

Every time I have tried it the motor was the same or flat. At 07 paved nats it was about 102 degrees outside. One heat I finally broke down and let someone freeze my motor and guess what? Motor runs flat, like every other time I have ever tried it.

I put less stock in the dyno than just about anyone else, but BL motors do dyno very consistently and if you change a parameter you get different results. If the freezing was doing anything it ought to show up as some sort of change. It doesn't.

I have tried it with multiple motors and multiple amounts of freeze spray. In all cases numbers were the same or slightly worse. I figured maybe it was just my technique, so I tried to setup a "best case scenario". I took motors and put them in vaccuum seal bags in the freezer for 3 hours. This is obviously going to get them cold throughout far better than freeze spray ever would. Anyway, I took them out and dynoed them right away. Once again all numbers were the same or very slightly worse.

Freezing is a leftover antique from the brushed stock days, which is why you just primarily see former brushed stock racers doing it.

Yes, in my experience, it definitely worked better on brushed motors.

if you think it doesnt work then dont do it ... But if I remember correctly , I never see top dawgs go out for the mains with the motor not frozen .... Its all in what you like to do and beleive in .... My personal opion is I am in favor of frezzing for racing ... faster laps up front and the motor comes off 20 degrees colder at the end of 4 minutes ... Just one aholes opinion


ROCKET

We were freezing the crap out of them at the snowbirds and i didnt see any problems there.

What about when that one blew up in Frankies face???

all i know is that whenever i see someone set a track record, they have had their motors at about -30 plus degrees...

What about when that one blew up in Frankies face???

that again was because of a spark while freezing the motor and has nothing to do with this topic

.. The reason you see people doing it is racers are lemmings.

Hi Pat... :wave:

that again was because of a spark while freezing the motor

Hi alan.. (small enough?)

What about when that one blew up in Frankies face???
Lets see most that freeze thier motors use either chewing gum remover or spray duster and I know the chewing gum freeze consist of Ethanol and liquified petrolium gas (basicly propane) add a spark and poooof. It was the gas from the spray and the spark caused by the capacitor discharging when the connectors where plugged together. The flash fire had nothing to do with the motor at all.
I freeze before a run and use a motor cooler between rounds always have and always will.

ohh yeah Hi Alan and Dan.:wave:

OK, I'll ask what is too cold?

OK, I'll ask what is too cold?

When it's a solid chunk of Ice. Freeze em :thumbsup:

ive seen -50 so far...

OK, I'll ask what is too cold?

a blond walks into a bar and orders a bv on the rocks, takes one sip and yells to the bartender

"hey - the ice is too cold ! ! ! !"

I hope she was walking funny FRED

Waste of time and money. Not great for the motors, does nothing for performance. The reason you see people doing it is racers are lemmings.
Not being familiar as to what a lemming was I had to find out.
Here are my results.

Lemming

Not being familiar as to what a lemming was I had to find out.
Here are my results.

Generally, lemmings, today at least, refers to large groups that follow one...
(and usually off the end of a cliff to their early demise... )

(good luck tonight... :thumbsup:)

Thanks Dan. I miss racing with you. Racers such as yourself are hard to come by.

Dont Forget Guys Its Illegal To Freeze Motors At The Snowbirds. Lol

ok whats the best product to use for this

i'll be making holsters for the cans for the west coast folks,lol.it does make a diffrence especially drome racin

Ross seeing ice in your pits is like seeing ice in hell!!! sorry brother couldn't resist


L..... Lol

Which would be why I referenced on track performance first Allan.

Every time I have tried it the motor was the same or flat. At 07 paved nats it was about 102 degrees outside. One heat I finally broke down and let someone freeze my motor and guess what? Motor runs flat, like every other time I have ever tried it.

I put less stock in the dyno than just about anyone else, but BL motors do dyno very consistently and if you change a parameter you get different results. If the freezing was doing anything it ought to show up as some sort of change. It doesn't.

I have tried it with multiple motors and multiple amounts of freeze spray. In all cases numbers were the same or slightly worse. I figured maybe it was just my technique, so I tried to setup a "best case scenario". I took motors and put them in vaccuum seal bags in the freezer for 3 hours. This is obviously going to get them cold throughout far better than freeze spray ever would. Anyway, I took them out and dynoed them right away. Once again all numbers were the same or very slightly worse.

Freezing is a leftover antique from the brushed stock days, which is why you just primarily see former brushed stock racers doing it.

Pat,

What if you tried the same test the other way around? Take a motor at normal temperature, make a dyno run, then heat it 10 degrees, run on the dyno, then 10 more degrees, dyno, then 10 more degrees... You can see the trend. I'd be curious to see how much (if any) degradation in performance as temperature rises. If you can observe a difference, then the real gain of freezing the motor is to make the motor average temp over a run cooler, and may amount to better on-track performance. Now how much of a gain is open to debate.

Martin Paradis

I have a very accurate chassis dyno that test axles RPM. Amps, watts and all the testing I have done shows more than a 100 rpm gain at the axle and a decrease of 1.5 amps with a good freeze testing is done at a track race load
and with with a telemetry device in the car shows the same thing and the lap times improved by one 10th up front and much less falloff thou out the run
think about it more rpm and less amp draw = faster and lass amp draw = even less heat
less heat = faster. and we 5 min races so it show even more
we are running 17.5 1 cell on a 163 foot carpet track 5 min 73 5:01 av 4.06 lap times fast times is 3.88
if your not spraying your not in the A
I do wish that it was not aloud though we would still all be on the same page if no one sprayed and let's be honest that stuff is toxic over time

For tech the battery and motor must be within +/-10deg of ambiant temperature. Must go from tech to track. If you go back to the pits your out for that session.

For tech the battery and motor must be within +/-10deg of ambiant temperature.

Not everywhere!! Check your local track/club rules!!

All the local tracks here run these rules. Might be fine out west but not here and not on dirt.

We sprayed our 17.5 cars this past weekend in our 125 lap main event,motor temp was 121*right after the main. In our qualifiers we were ending up at 131-133 after 5 minute heat. track temp was in the 130's thruout the day ambient temp hit low to mid 90's.

Did it make a difference... yep started with 4.6's ended up last lap 4.8.. 195ft. track prepped flat asphalt..

I was on the fence whether or not freezing helped, I thought it hurt sometimes actually, until the Jeff Sears Memorial race up here. I prepared a car for a friend that had not raced for a year or so. He was about 1.5 seconds faster all day than me in qualifying. Every time he came by my pit to pick up the car, he would freeze and every time I raced he would say "Dude, you aren't going to freeze!?" and I would say "That shit don't help!". He qual 4th out of 38 cars, I was 8th. I froze for the main, no other changes, and was a lot faster. The week after, the track banned freezing because some people were getting sick. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

we don't need this stuff to race
I won't use it any more, we need to make a new rule
there are people dying from this stuff and that's on record to be true
I feel bad, I feel shaky, I just feel a little off all day when im in the room filled with this stuff

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easy with the "shaky" blaser.some of us live that way normally.lmao

yep,outlaw the shit.. asap.. is joe allowing the freeze spray?

So Blaser is proposing a "FREEZE" Ban - banning ANY Motor Cooling by any means.

So then should that include Electronic Motor Coolers, Cooling Fins (Heat Sinks) as well as inverted cans of SPRAY Chemicals?

A HEAT SINK is expensive - as is an electronic cooler, and some guys want to make the issue about MONEY.

For others it's about the CHEMICAL or CHEMICALS being used to cool a motor.

Well, I can personally tell you I have CHEMICAL issues...and they are NOT from the Motor Cooling Spray.

Atomized ALCOHOL (smelled like rubbing alcohol) got in my eyes at at least ONE Carpet Race this year, and I had to go into the restroom to flush my eyes. At that last SWT race in Taft, it was atomized MOTOR SPRAY - which caused my eyes to severely burn for over 30 minutes.

Even the ODORLESS Tire Sauce irritates my eyes - almost more than the stuff we've used previously. (at least it doesn't have the SMELL)

On a normal race day at an indoor track - I fight to see because my eyes burn so bad. I have really sensitive eyes anyway which have caused me a lot of issues over the past 4 years....but it's even WORSE at any outdoor event, because my eyes have also become VERY light sensitive.

So, for my own PERSONAL health concerns I'd like to ban the use of ALL chemicals at INDOOR events...as well as INDOOR Tire Truing. The ODOR and Irritation to ME personally from the smoke from some of the tire truers is nearly as bad as the chemicals - and I have NO DOUBT worse than ALL the motor freeze spray sprayed in the rooms.

So, for my own PERSONAL health concerns I'd like to ban the use of ALL chemicals at INDOOR events...as well as INDOOR Tire Truing. The ODOR and Irritation to ME personally from the smoke from some of the tire truers is nearly as bad as the chemicals - and I have NO DOUBT worse than ALL the motor freeze spray sprayed in the rooms.

IMO, all motor cooling (as well as battery heating) should be illegal. That is simply personal opinion. The health concerns of using cooling spray should be enough to make people want to stop it.

As for electronic coolers, again, they should be banned as well. Just another cost to the average racer because if 2-3 are doing, everyone feels like they have to. If you want to go back to your pit area and stick a little portable fan up against the pod, go ahead. But, cooling devices (made specifically for the art of cooling) and cooling sprays should certainly be tossed.

Is there an advantage to doing it? Yes, I do believe there is. Is the advantage worth the potential health risks or added costs for racers.....I don't think so.

--Cory

Blaser,

Are the chemicals you use for pools any better for your health??? Just asking bro....

I don't use any gas that is heaver that Oxygen well no gas at all, and it's all out doors
and you never hear of a pool man getting sick LOL I have not mist a day in 10 years not even a headache. You work hard 4 days a week 6 hours a day someone has to do it