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Thought it was about time for a new thread for our upcoming 2009 Outdoor season (if not past due :p).

Here are the rule changes for the upcoming season.

For Indoor 4-cell classes, (1/12th and 1/10th scale pan cars), the use of a 1S LiPo and ROAR Approved 13.5 Brushless motor is now allowed.

Mini classes may now use soft-cased LiPo Batteries (7.2V)

Electric classes will now run 10minute A-Mains on the Off Road track

1/8th scale electric vehicles may use any hard cased LiPo Batteries that are NOT ROAR approved.

Slash Spec Class will allow the use of the RPM rear bumper mount (for durability).

Rustler Spec Oval will now allow the use of a ROAR approved LiPo with a maximum capacity of 3200mah and a maximum current rating of 28C.

Rustler Spec Oval will also now allow the use of a ROAR approved Brushless motor (wind TBD with some testing).

Aluminum Shock caps are allowed in Rustler Spec Oval.

BRL and DODC approved motors and batteries are treated as ROAR approved equivilants.

For Indoor racing, 1/10th and 1/12th scale oval classes, Heat seating will be based on Points stadings.

For Indoors, when classes present multiple mains (e.g. A, B etc), the mains will be split up into equal number of racers, with a maximum of 6 drivers in a main (this excludes Offroad, Mini and Road course classes) (odd man makes the higher main) (e.g. if we have 11 entries in pan car - 6 will run in the A, 5 in the B, If we have 10 - 5 will run in the A and 5 will run in the B, if we have 6, then all 6 will be in the A).

Rules clarification of Novak vs. ROAR approved Brushless motors (should be ROAR arrpoved brushless motors, not novak specific motors).



Some Slash Spec Rules for everyone to take a look at and make some comments:


Traxxas Slash SPEC

This class is intended for racers looking to compete in close, cost controlled racing, with realistic looking trucks.

If it’s not mentioned in the following rules, it is illegal.

Base Vehicle: Traxxas 5805, available in Red, Red/Silver, Blue/Silver and Blue, Amsoil and Fabtech Rick Huseman Body.
Chassis/Components: Box Stock. RPM Rear Bumper Mount may be used (RPM 80902 (Black) and 80905 (Blue)) as well as the RPM Gear Cover (RPM 80525 (Blue) and 80522 (Black)), no other modifications or alternate parts are allowed.
Body Clips: Any standard r/c body clip may be used (locking or regular).
Motor: Traxxas 3785 motor only, as per supplied with kit. Comm drops are not permitted.
Batteries: ROAR approved 6 or 7 cell sub c industry approved standard rechargeable battery or a ROAR approved 7.2V LiPo Battery only.
Battery/Motor Connectors: Any allowed, not restricted to stock connectors.
Speed Control: Traxxas 3018X XL-5 speed control only (as supplied with the kit).
Servo: Traxxas 2075 servo only (Stock Servo supplied with the kit)
Suspension: Must remain stock, the only alternate part allowed is the use of aluminum shock caps (Traxxas 2667) and the use of any silicone shock oil. No Modifications or alternate parts allowed otherwise.
Steering: Stock components only, no changes allowed.
Transmission: Stock transmission in box stock configuration only (Only grease may be used in any part of the transmission (including the differential), Silicone is specifically not allowed). Pinion gears are restricted to the 3 sizes (18T, 19T and 23T, 48 pitch – any manufacturer). Spur Gear is limited to the 86T 48 pitch spur gear as supplied with the vehicle (Traxxas 4686) only.
Wheels/Tires: Limited to the tires and rims that come stock with the kit only(Traxxas 5871, 5874 (front rim) 5872 (rear rim)). You may remove the chrome from the rims and dye to desired color and/or paint rims. When racing indoors, electrical tape may be applied to any of the 4 tires to reduce traction.
Bodies: The following list is the list of approved bodes:
Traxxas 5811 SLASH stock replacement
Pro-Line 3284 “Desert-Rat”, Pro-Line 3283 “Hardcore”, J-Concepts 0076 “Illuzion, Parma 1230 “Rattler”, Pro-Line 2393-60 “Desert-Rat Carnage” (Note: Tear-away body panels must be present at beginning of the race.)
Windows are not required to be left clear. Paint scheme is up to the individual. Scale realism is encouraged.
Ball Bearings: Allowed (as per supplied with kit) – no ceramic bearings and/or hybrid bearings allowed – other manufacrturers bearings are permitted.
Air Dams: Not allowed.
Spoiler: Not allowed.
Radio/Receiver: Any ROAR allowed Radio/Receiver Combination is permitted.
Transponder: Personnel Transponders are permitted and can be mounted anywhere on the vehicle that the owner sees fit. Club transponders are also available for use (mounted with a ¼” hole through the body).
LiPo Cut/Off / Warning: The use of a LiPo cut-off / warning alarm is allowed as long as there is no performance gain associated with device.


Please post your comments or email them to me at: Nicwald (at) gmail (dot) com

Slash rules look good to me. Thanks for putting this together Nic.

Thanks for posting this Nic and all your hard work. The Slash rules look good to me.

Nick,

I thought we were going to run 13.5 motors with the 1S LiPo to keep the speed similar to the 4-cell NiMH/17.5 combo.

If you are mentioning Slash body colors, you might want to include the Amsoil and Fabtech bodies.

The Slash manual I have says the stock pinion size is 18T (not 19T) and that is what my truck came with.

I suggest allowing bodies other than the Traxxas factory slash body if somebody wants to paint their own body. Some of aftermarket bodies are actually less expensive (Tower prices) than the Traxxas clear body.

Most places do allow oil and/or grease in the diff (Diff and trans already comes with grease - you can't really run metal on metal dry).

Traxxas screwed the Pinion size up in the manual. I think we should allow 19t and 18t. Just because that is what the manual said and that is what it actually came with. Some ppl go to stores and just read what it came with and will pick that up. So I think both should be allowed as well as the 23t.

I'd also think body spec should be open to any intended for use on the Slash. By the time you get a replacement clear body AND the sold-separately only decal set, you're out $45. Or you can forego the decals and spend $35(LOCALLY, $30 at Tower). Won't make a difference to me since I already bought a stock clear body, but might help tell the trucks apart a bit better...

Or we can paint them all like Wayne's :)

Traxxas screwed the Pinion size up in the manual. I think we should allow 19t and 18t. Just because that is what the manual said and that is what it actually came with. Some ppl go to stores and just read what it came with and will pick that up. So I think both should be allowed as well as the 23t.
I didn't know that some came with a 19T.

I didn't know that some came with a 19T.

No some didn't. But what I am saying is that is what the Manual says. So if somebody goes out and looks for a replacement Spur and goes by the manual, that is what they would get without looking at the spur gear itself.

Or we can paint them all like Wayne's :)

When I get around to painting it, I'm going fluorescent orange and silver (think Navy training aircraft paint or similar).

Slash rules look good. 18, 19, 23 tooth pinions, to fix the mess with the manuals, and I agree with any after market body specifically made for the Slash. Its a non preformance enhancing upgrade. The Traxxas bodies are outrageously priced.

Slash rules look good. 18, 19, 23 tooth pinions, to fix the mess with the manuals, and I agree with any after market body specifically made for the Slash. Its a non preformance enhancing upgrade. The Traxxas bodies are outrageously priced.
What about lube in the diff? We can't run them dry and they already come with lube. Most rules I've read allow changes of any fluids/greases.

What about lube in the diff? We can't run them dry and they already come with lube. Most rules I've read allow changes of any fluids/greases.

I thought they came dry or greased up at best.

They come with grease. If you run them long enough the grease gets dry and hard (from experience with my Rustler).

Using grease as a lubricant is one thing and must be done. You can’t run the diff gears dry. Packing the differential with 300k silicone fluid as Slayden does, is certainly performance enhancing.
We already allow the use of different shock fluids (performance enhancing). The more expense and knowledge needed to enter this class and be competitive, will certainly scare some would be participants away. I think this class can bring a lot of new blood to the club if it is not over complicated or too expensive for the newbies.

Using grease as a lubricant is one thing and must be done. You can’t run the diff gears dry. Packing the differential with 300k silicone fluid as Slayden does, is certainly performance enhancing.
We already allow the use of different shock fluids (performance enhancing). The more expense and knowledge needed to enter this class and be competitive, will certainly scare some would be participants away. I think this class can bring a lot of new blood to the club if it is not over complicated or too expensive for the newbies.

Agreed.

Nick,

I thought we were going to run 13.5 motors with the 1S LiPo to keep the speed similar to the 4-cell NiMH/17.5 combo.

If you are mentioning Slash body colors, you might want to include the Amsoil and Fabtech bodies.

The Slash manual I have says the stock pinion size is 18T (not 19T) and that is what my truck came with.

I suggest allowing bodies other than the Traxxas factory slash body if somebody wants to paint their own body. Some of aftermarket bodies are actually less expensive (Tower prices) than the Traxxas clear body.

Most places do allow oil and/or grease in the diff (Diff and trans already comes with grease - you can't really run metal on metal dry).

I'd also think body spec should be open to any intended for use on the Slash. By the time you get a replacement clear body AND the sold-separately only decal set, you're out $45. Or you can forego the decals and spend $35(LOCALLY, $30 at Tower). Won't make a difference to me since I already bought a stock clear body, but might help tell the trucks apart a bit better...

Traxxas screwed the Pinion size up in the manual. I think we should allow 19t and 18t. Just because that is what the manual said and that is what it actually came with. Some ppl go to stores and just read what it came with and will pick that up. So I think both should be allowed as well as the 23t.

Slash rules look good. 18, 19, 23 tooth pinions, to fix the mess with the manuals, and I agree with any after market body specifically made for the Slash. Its a non preformance enhancing upgrade. The Traxxas bodies are outrageously priced.

What about lube in the diff? We can't run them dry and they already come with lube. Most rules I've read allow changes of any fluids/greases.

Using grease as a lubricant is one thing and must be done. You can’t run the diff gears dry. Packing the differential with 300k silicone fluid as Slayden does, is certainly performance enhancing.
We already allow the use of different shock fluids (performance enhancing). The more expense and knowledge needed to enter this class and be competitive, will certainly scare some would be participants away. I think this class can bring a lot of new blood to the club if it is not over complicated or too expensive for the newbies.


I will fix the 13.5/17.5 mix up, it was a typo - its correct in my notes.

I will add in the 2 new flavors of the Slash as well.

I am for allowing the aftermarket bodies, however I do not want it to get out of control, part of the fun of this class scale realism, so if you all could provide manufacturer, part number and name of the bodies, we can all take a look and see if we they will be added to the list.

As far as lube in the tranny goes, I will put in something about allowing grease, but no silicone, as that becomes another option for tuning.

The rationale behind the shock oil is that the different oils are hard to distiguish from one another, unless there is quite a difference in ratings, say 10 vs 30 vice 25 vs 30.

As far as pinions go, I will change it to 18, 19 and 23 to fix any confusion.

Take a loot at the first post and see revised rules for comment.

Thanks Nic for summing it up so far:

Proline makes 3 seperate bodies for the Slash: Hardcore, Dessert Rat, and Carnage Dessert Rat. Here is where you can view them:
http://www.prolineracing.com/c-76-bodies.aspx

Jconcept makes the Illuzion for the slash located here:
http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_42&products_id=272

Parma makes the Rattler for the Slash located here:
http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_number=1230/137.0.17031.0.0.0.0

So that is 5 aftermarket bodies already.

For me I like the Jconcept but won't be buying a new body anytime soon so this doens't really affect me now.

Do you have to run the stock Traxxas radio in Slash - I thought we could change the receiver and use any transmitter? Rules don't say anything about the radio being changed. Can you mount a PT on the chassis? Also - I use the same lipos on my Slash that I do in my 1/10th electrics, which all have Dean's plugs on them. I had just made up a Deans to Traxxas adapter so I could keep the stock Traxxas plug on the ESC, and keep my Deans on the lipos - is that allowed?

Good to see an 'open body clip' rule :rolleyes:

Do you have to run the stock Traxxas radio in Slash - I thought we could change the receiver and use any transmitter? Rules don't say anything about the radio being changed. Can you mount a PT on the chassis? Also - I use the same lipos on my Slash that I do in my 1/10th electrics, which all have Dean's plugs on them. I had just made up a Deans to Traxxas adapter so I could keep the stock Traxxas plug on the ESC, and keep my Deans on the lipos - is that allowed?

Good to see an 'open body clip' rule :rolleyes:


Good points Gary, I will add them in, this has been a work in progress.

Updated again, see first post.

We didn't have any rule about using the stock radio. That was open.

PT is a good question I don't see why that should be an issue.

Dean connector question is also good. I don't see any issues with changing out the connector type you want to use or using an adapter to fit.

Good points Gary, I will add them in, this has been a work in progress.

Absolutely Nick - get enough folks to look at stuff, and all the t's get crossed and i's dotted. Rules look good - glad to see the Slashes staying "really stock" -- that's the right idea. Lord knows there are already enough other classes to spend your money.

We didn't have any rule about using the stock radio. That was open.

PT is a good question I don't see why that should be an issue.

Dean connector question is also good. I don't see any issues with changing out the connector type you want to use or using an adapter to fit.

There are plenty of folks using personnel transponders all ready (me included). Only possible gain is a slight reduction in weight, but considering the weight to begin with, there is no performance gain. They are allowed in every other class we race, so I would think here as well.

The radio/receiver was an oversight and has been corrected.

The only class we limit connectors at this point is Street Spec, even Rustler Spec has open connectors, I think there is no performance gain here, as the new traxxas connectors are very efficient to begin with. I think open connectors is the way to go.

getting close boys!!!

Can almost smell the nitro fumes ( and see lipos charging for my electric brothers ) now

Wayne,

Here is my preregistration info for the race on March 21st:

1/10th Pan Stock Spektrum P.T.# 3232955
Truck Stock Oval CH 70 P.T.# 4590526
Truck Stock Offroad CH 70 P.T.# 7625356
Mini-Oval Spektrum P.T.# 5741373
Slash Spec Oval Spektrum P.T.# 4683421
Slash Off-Road Ch 70 CLUB TRANSPONDER
Street Spec Oval Spektrum CLUB TRANSPONDER

Mark

Mark you run too many classes LOL

Mark you run too many classes LOL
I only run 5 or 6. All those signups are in case people don't show up for all the classes I do want to run. We haven't had Truck Oval for a while and Truck off road only ran last week after a hiatus of 3 races.

But I guess that's why I don't have time to do everything you recommended on my pan car.:(

Nick:
I think the rules should be good after all these comments. We havent really changed/allowed that much to where someone showing up with a box stock Slash cant be competetive and most importantly....................................... .HAVE A TON OF FUN! This class is really shaping up. What other class has sparked this much interest and input from the masses?
So weve allowed more bodies to make this class look like the real thing. Everyone can have their own personality in 5 or so different body options. Allowed RPM bumper mount, gear cover, and aluminum shock caps to make these a little more durable. Allowed 6/7 cell NiMh's or 2s Lipos because we use these for other vehicles we race. This will keep costs to a minumin not forcing us to run a special batt just for this class. Allowed us to change the receiver. Lets face it, with 2 full heats showing up and only 5 channels to use with the stock radio, that wouldnt work too well. In addition most of us use higher end equipment for other vehicles.
So again, rules look great. Hope some of the new Slash faces that showed up for indoor continue with us for outdoor.
Nick, one last thing, we need to ENFORCE the rule(s) regarding the start of heats/mains. We can cut a lot of time off from the day. I gotta use Mark as an example. He may race back to back to back and never seems to hold up any heats or mains. We need to be staged the heat/main before we are required to race. I know this is hard to enforce, and we dont want people to miss any racing. But it can be done. No reason to be holding up racing because you arent ready when Wayne says MARSHALLS READY...... DRIVERS READY............ WE GO ON THE SOUND OF THE HORN.
I hear ya Dano. Cant wait!

wayne, prereg for sat
1/10 pan p/t on file
1/12 pan p/t on file both p/t's same as last race
thanks ray:thumbsup:

Go take a look at Rays car it has everything I told you to do

Ray how did the motors come out?

bart, i didnt get a chance to do them yet , been working crazy hours , hope to get them done friday nite see ya saturday if you can make it

Nick:
Allowed RPM... gear cover...


Added that as well, missed it first time through.

What are we going to do when people from other tracks show up with Slashes that don't quite meet our rules? Like Steel outdrives, different gearing, Pro-line Switch tires (all legal at the barn), RPM A-Arms, or CVDs?

If theres 4 or more...............they can run in a separate mod class. The only things I would worry about from outsiders having an edge would be a better motor, shocks or tires. Anything else would be pretty much a durablity upgrade. Mod class or no racing IMO. It would be their own fault for not reading the rules before they came. I check rules before I race at other tracks. Only makes sense.

I agree with Steve. Different gearing other then what we discussed isn't close to stock. Different tires is a whole different game.

Wayne preregister JT in slash offroad dsm and me in mini oval dsm thanks Dan

See you all at the track later!

Check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130293724701

Bart, your record went down last night. 91 5.01 in the main.

Ya I heard, but I also hear you weren't running 17.5 4-cell, but great job I'll see next week at Marshalls.

I was planning on coming up on the 4th but last night was the last night so I can do Marshalls for two more races now.

And if any of you guys don't want to stop racing yet Marshalls finishes on the 11th of April.

Ray, Darrel, Albie, Jay, Sargent, Stern, and anyone else that wants to come.

Check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130293724701
looks pretty cool . Guy did a good job looks like he used Jato shocks would like to see one go . If you had a spare slash and all the electronics it wouldnt cost too much (like you ) but it would cost between 600 and 700 to put one together from scratch .Who knows might be a lot of L8 models running around the oval this year.

great racing last night had a blast finally got 90 laps with the 10 scale not quit Barts speed but I'll take it.. I just got a new 10 scale rip car so I deffintly want to run marshals before they end.. I finally got the 12 scale right .. Guys let me know when your going to marshals so I can make the trip and meet you out there .. I'm off this next Saturday albie

Albie, Amanda and I will be at Marshall's next saturday. It would be great for you to make the trip too. If you need any info let me know.

Any one wants to run 2wd LM oval, im in. There is rules for both a mod and stock class on our websight. I can do either class just need to know if we are going to have enough for a class Check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130293724701

that link is for a Slash based 1/8 Late model not a 1/10 scale

great racing last night had a blast finally got 90 laps with the 10 scale not quit Barts speed but I'll take it.. I just got a new 10 scale rip car so I deffintly want to run marshals before they end.. I finally got the 12 scale right .. Guys let me know when your going to marshals so I can make the trip and meet you out there .. I'm off this next Saturday albie

Welcome to the dark side!! Which car is he building?

I have a slash question? It says no comm drops for the motor how could or would that be teched?? Since my brother tried my slash out he wants one so were going to make the trip out and run them in the dirt.. Cant paint them neon orange wayne holds the copyright and stock on that color last i heard they were changing the name of the paint to waynegarine orange..

thanks bart yeah i got a rip car hey bart do they run 17.5 anything at marshals? I want to come out this weekend but I don't have a 13.5 I have 1cell lipo just no motor.. Maybe i can borrow your b main motor lol albie