MARK YOUR CALENDERS
COMING SATURDAY NIGHT
APRIL 25TH
2ND ANNUAL SK ENDURO
500 LAP RACE
DOORS WILL OPEN AT 10AM
ENTRY FEE WILL BE $30.00 PER TEAM
SINGLE CAR QUILIFING WILL START AT 4PM
MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING WHAT'S NEXT AT TURN 4
I WANTED TO GET THE DATE OUT THERE SO PEOPLE CAN PREPARE
DETAILS OF THE RULES WILL BE COMING SOON
FOR THOSE THAT ATTENDED LAST YEAR THE SAME RULES WILL APPLY
17.5/4CELL
SK CHASSIS'
THE ONLY CHANGE WILL BE PIT STOPS WILL BE EVERY 75LAPS

Ill be there for sure!

no bugs this year?
ill try and find someone to come with me

no bugs this year?
ill try and find someone to come with me

The Question of the Herby Derby has come up. We havn't yet decided on that part of the program. It may be a good filler to have in between some of the Enduro races. Working on the details.

My team mate backed out due to family comitments. The northeners are no longer able to be there. However I will be at the sizzler to get my fix for some bank track racing....

DO I hear a COM"ON!!! ??

I HEAR YOU CMON

great april 25th, i,ll mark it down cant wait to run this one. didnt have a chance to run last years, due to commitments lol see ya all there.:thumbsup::wave::woohoo:

is there someone that need a teammate for enduro?
need to know by next week so i can make plans.
or are you going to run herbies?

is there someone that need a teammate for enduro?
need to know by next week so i can make plans.
or are you going to run herbies?

Herbies are in the Line-up. I'll need to run them as a filler between rounds of the enduro. As we plan to have bump-ups for the enduro. Bring on the HERBIE DERBY!

Ive got a few questions. Check out the poll let me know what you think.

I think the SK class should finish out the season before the change. There is a lot of buzz about other company's making a 1 cell Lipo and SMC offering a different 1 cell. Waiting for the fall would give it some time to settle a little bit.

Just my .02

if mike doesn't have 1 cell lipo a lot of us will not be able to race becase we don't have battries

For the SK class,

Run the 1s pack with 17.5 4cell together, Look how long it took for track owners to decide to combine both 4cell Brushed and 4cell 17.5.

At this particular track we have already proved that 13.5 1cell is NO faster than current 4cell 17.5 pan or SK. Instead of pushing it back for another year lets promote it because its going to happen. As far as the "BUZZ" of another company coming out with another 1 cell and SMC coming out with a higher C rating pack...GEE ya like we didnt see that coming its no worse than the ROUND CELLS. SMC said they are COMITTING for 2years on there current 1c pack... We are already off a year now. Who cares run them together, it would also mean they(racers) can off there equipment now to offset some of the cost to go 1 cell Lipo. This also gives a chance for the hobby shops to sell products, The only problem now is getting these packs, Well supply and demand...whats that tell ya? The rest of the country is on board and scooping them up faster than they can supply them.

well put ken

Also the new 1s pack I can gurantee will be more expensive than the current one that is offered, and more than likely faster aswell. thats 2 neg's against what we have now, of course I am speculating due to lack of info available. If we wait it will probably be worse.

Mike Gordon and most track owners around here in New England have gone with STRICKLY novak motors, well enforce the the current 1s Lipo pack now for all classes.

We should atleast let them run together, I would never say only 1s lipo and no 4cell, thats forcing the current guys who may not be able to afford the switch just yet.

Sell your round sells and buy a 1s pack...offset the cost nothing comes out of pocket..

First of all "Amain", I have a 1 cell Lipo.



Think about this for a minute.... How many batteries are you going to need to run the Sk Enduro??? If you change your battery every pit stop, the answer is 6 per team... We all know how long it takes to charge a LiPo.... Who has that many Lipo in their pit box??? You cant even buy that many batteries if you wanted too.

I am not going to buy a battery that is almost ready to be replaced.. How many people got burned on th SMC 2cell ??? I still have one I used 1 time and can't sell... Sorry, not going down that road again.

Has any testing been done to see if the 1 cell pack can run the car for 75 laps and be competitive at Turn 4 without ESC or Servo problems? I think some testing should before everyone wants to jump on the 1 cell bandwagon.

I think that the SK drivers should be asked what they think considering the event was advertised that the rules would be the same as last year. I bet there are many SK drivers that don't have 1 cell Lipo's and can't get enough Lipo batteries to run this race if they wanted too.

One last side note: Let get the people that are going to race at this event to vote. Not everyone on hobbytalk that seems to have a opinion and not show up to the events....

Hey supertool calm down...lol this is a discussion dont like it go read mc'ds thread..lol


I have done 8mins at that track with NO PROBLEMS!! LRP and booster. Just to let ya know.

I was confused to why this poll was added to the thread now. I was thinking he was asking in general, my fault for being stupid there.

I dont think its a good idea to add this to a enduro race without knowing true results like we have had with last years 4cell results plus running 4cells for years now.

You would think though with the 4000MAH capacity it shouldnt be a problem however yes you would need more packs to complete the race and right now there scarce. Thats why I would say NO.

My thoughts from previous posts should be directed towards weekly racing,and events not an event that requires so many packs to finish 500laps.

This will make next years event interesting if were not able to get fresh batteries and who would want to run old beat up ones?

One last side note: Let get the people that are going to race at this event to vote. Not everyone on hobbytalk that seems to have a opinion and not show up to the events....

I dont think thats exactly fair since you or me or anyone for that matter doesnt know whos going to race in this event, anyone who will or plans on attending IMO should have a say in it. People who have experience as well chime in. Wait this is a discussion board..lol

hey guys, its scott

as the crew chief/car owner/financial donor/ of our little farther/son race team I would like to chime in.I think both Ken and Mike make very valid points.Im in favor of the whole 1cell conversion but I was very apposed of the idea in the middle of the season.In Maine the vast majority jumped without knowing smc was going to change yet again.that is were I side with Mike and let the new battery come out and let the tracks decide that you can run either one or both.As for the enduro this year I think the rules should stand as is from last year or the race format needs to be changed becouse some people only have one battery maybe two.But dont misunderstand me 1cell is the way to go but the offseason is the time to make the changes.We have some of the best places to race these cars lets suport them and give them a chance to stock these 1cell packs and buy them from them......
thanks guys
Scott

I guess on this situation I am a flip flopper because, lipo is def here we cant argue that, there are probably racers who have made the full switch to single cell lipo and dont want to buy 4cell packs again to attend this race. Unfortunetly there are more 4cell SK owners right now then there are 1s lipo sk racers and it would be wise to cater to them since there is more of them.

What is going to happen is 1s lipo SK will be next years class but with a mix of 4cell 17.5 sk racers atleast at local club racing until they(the racers) make the full switch like they did from brushed to brushless last year.

What I can say for sure is we NEED more testing to see, atleast in the SK class. If any of you Sk racers have a 1s pack come up tomorrow there will be a few of us running them at T4.

My suggestion would be more testing but wouldnt advise the combining of the 2 for this event.

Combine the both for club racing now dont split the class.

At maximus the decision as far as I know was made TO STAY WITH THE CURRENT 1 CELL WE HAVE FOR NEXT YEAR" so there was " jumping in" in fact most of us myself included knew SMC was working on a different version of the 1 cell and Danny even said he was going to release another 1 cell in the not so distant future but was going to continue with the current 1 cell for a couple of years. The bottom line is just because they release a new version doesnt meen that a track has to allow it ,at least in the 13.5 class. However if the MOD guys want to run it or any other pack then it would be up to them as a whole to decide.
If for some reason a track goes and allows the new 1 cell in the 13.5 class after it's released I will not race there plain and simple I refuse to buy a new pack every couple of months just to be able to keep up. These packs unlike NIMH dont go bad and can be used an entire season so why would we need a newer version maybee durring the off season would be fine but again we shouldnt leave this up to anyone but us racers to decide what we run. It's time to stop the battery of the month club.........., And we have to power to do this by not going out and buying them when the are released and working with your home track owners to see what would be best for the weekly racers.Going to 1 cell now for weekly racing is not going to hurt anything IMO it can only help as not everyone has some good 4 cell packs left and it would be kinda stupid to buy new ones.
Back to the original issue as far as the 500 goes all points made are valid and IMO the best way that makes the most sense is not to allow lipo's for this years race as it wouldnt be practicle anyway due to the fact most racers dont have enough 1 cell packs to go the distance and not to mention most do not know how long they can safely run a 1 cell on that track I would imagine that next year most questions would be answered and there will be a new set of rules and everything will be honky dorry............

At maximus the decision as far as I know was made TO STAY WITH THE CURRENT 1 CELL WE HAVE FOR NEXT YEAR" so there was " jumping in" in fact most of us myself included knew SMC was working on a different version of the 1 cell and Danny even said he was going to release another 1 cell in the not so distant future but was going to continue with the current 1 cell for a couple of years. The bottom line is just because they release a new version doesnt meen that a track has to allow it ,at least in the 13.5 class. However if the MOD guys want to run it or any other pack then it would be up to them as a whole to decide.
If for some reason a track goes and allows the new 1 cell in the 13.5 class after it's released I will not race there plain and simple. It's time to stop the battery of the month club.......... and it shouldnt be up to the tracks to decide as we are the only ones who can do this, after all who is buying these batteries???. not the track owners. Going to 1 cell now for weekly racing is not going to hurt anything IMO it can only help as not everyone has some good 4 cell packs left and it would be kinda stupid to buy new ones.
Back to the original issue as far as the 500 goes all points made are valid and IMO the best way that makes the most sense is not to allow lipo's for this years race as it wouldnt be practicle anyway due to the fact most racers dont have enough 1 cell packs to go the distance and not to mention most do not know how long they can safely run a 1 cell on that track I would imagine that next year most questions would be answered and there will be a new set of rules and everything will be honky dorry............


about 10-11 minutes

That would make it at least 4 to 5, 1 cell packs per team with the 75 lap pit stop rule.

as far as charging the first and second pack and running them again I dont know how that would work. but with mandatory 75 lap stops I imagine it would take more time to charge a pack then you have. And not to mention how the heck are you going to check voltage and batt temp on every car before it hits the track after a pit stop....OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

you guys have a good time at that race will be there to club race with 1cell

I think after some research and input from the racers without a doubt the 500 can be run with a 1 cell easily.
unfortuantely now IMO wouldnt be the time to do it like I said I dont believe the racers and Mike could come up with a set of rules and a race procedure in time to make it a smooth and fun race for all.
One idea I was thinking of is where lipo's realy dont nead to be peaked so teching could be done by a couple guys in a seperate area after a pack is charged and after a pack is teched it goes to pit road where there are no chargers allowed and cant leave the pit road area until after it is run and then after being put on a charger it would need to be teched again before it is allowed on "pit road" I hink this may be possible with 1 pack per driver but that may be stretching it and 2 packs per driver would more then likely work again I think on track testing is the only way to find out for sure.
It sounds like a lot of work but if you go 10 min between stops it shouldnt be that bad. And yes I believe it would be necasary to tech the packs to prevent guys from charging at to high of a rate and overcharging.
Other then that what rules other then pit stop intervalls and weight need to change.
I am not racing this year in the enduro but not becasue of the battery issue I have to pic and choose the races and I want to run the sizzler again so no enduro this year but it pains me not to because the 500 last year was a blast and I had a awsome time.

I agree completely with not allowing the 1 cells to mix in for this years race. But we learned a little lesson at turn4 today as far as how many actual laps can be ran on a single charge. I ran 128 while trying to complete a 150 lap main with a couple of the pan car guys before I had a power loss. I'd say 100 lap segments if it were to be done in the future years....

OK! Real bad on my part for putting up this poll before thinking it threw. I had a few phone calls asking the question. If you look at it from my point of view, I'm looking at total race attendance. And seeing that this race is a SK only event i was looking to do the best to keep attendance up. BUT, Now that I've thought about it and talked with others either at the track or on the phone. WE'RE STICKING WITH LAST YEARS RULES OF 17.5/4CELL POWER PLANT. I will be going threw last years rules to make the changes for pitstops and bump-ups. and will do my best to get them posted here by the end of the day.

Sureshot ... COM'ON!!!!

Sureshot ... COM'ON!!!!
There you have it. It's settled. 4 cell it is. :freak:

SK ENDURO RULES
Turn 4 house weekly house rules apply as to chassis rules and other common racing rules.
All SK’s will run a 17.5 brushless novak motor or any ROAR legal 27T Brushed motor
Batteries will be set to a Max of 4600 Mah 4-cells only. NO LI-POS!

This is a TEAM event, Each team will consist of 2 drivers/2 cars and each team is allowed a 3rd person to help with pit stops only. The 3rd person is NOT a relief driver.
QUILIFING
We will run single car quilifing. So each team decides which driver/car will qualify. Only one team member qualifies, And not the 3rd person that’s assisting with pitstops.
Each team will get a total of 8 laps on the track during quilifing. 5 warm up laps than three laps timed by the computer. After the 5 warm up laps, the tone will sound and times begins The next time you cross the line. Should be just like ifmar quilifing.
MAINS
The top 5 fastest teams in Quilifing are locked into the 500 lap A-feature. 6th threw 11th quilifing teams will run in the 250 lap B-feature and the Winner advances to the A-feature. In the event of more teams we’ll have 12th threw ???? Run a 150 lap C-feature.
PIT STOPS (MANDATORY)
Once a driver reaches or gets close to the 75th lap of the event, The race director will make it known to drivers and teams. At that point the team has 15 laps to come in to complete there driver/car and Transponder swap. In the event that a driver does not pit before the 15 lap window closes there will a 5 lap penalty applied to the team. There is a 2nd computer screen installed for team viewing near the printer to assist with the timing of the pit stops. At the 150 lap mark the 2nd segment of pit stops begins the same as the first. A 15 lap window to get it done. And the same for the 225 lap mark.
To enter pit row you MUST stay high on the back straight enter turn 3 high and follow threw to turn 4 exiting into pit row, If you find yourself in the infield when you want to pit, NO GOOD! Take another lap. REMEMBER driver communication on the stand will go along way with pit stops. For your own good keep it to only two cars at a time in the pits.
IN THE EVENT OF A CRASH
If a vehicle becomes disabled, At that time the team can swap cars/drivers and transponders to continue racing. BUT the replacment driver forfit’s the very next pit stop. Example- Team 1 has a problem on lap 50. Replacment driver/car comes in. That driver CANNOT pit at lap 75, that driver pits at lap 150. Just all the more reason to race as clean as possible. Remember the key to an enduro is to Finish.

HERBIE DERBY
Any 1/10th scale Chassis, pancar, SK, touring car, Truck. doesn’t matter
17.5 Brushless Novak motor or Roar legal 27T brushed motor
Batteries 4-cell max of 4600mah--NO LI-POS
FOAM TIRES
VW/BUG body- doesn’t HAVE to look like herbie

Herbie MAINS
100 laps A-feature event, No pit stops, 8 cars
75 laps B-feature event, No pit stops, 8 cars
In the event of enough interest all other mains below the B will be run as a normal 4 min main event.

TIME LINE FOR THE DAY
10 AM Till 4 PM-Practice by class, work together to share the track with other classes. Give 1/10th Herbie there own time and Enduro SK cars there time. I will enforce timed practice by class if need be.
LIMIT TO NO MORE THAN 6 CARS ON THE TRACK AT A TIME DURING PRACTICE
3PM--MANDIATORY Drivers meeting
Track closed at 3:00 for herbie concourse. Have your cars ready and on the track at 3:30
4pm start enduro quilifing- check the sheets, pay attention and be ready.
1/10th Herbie 1st quilifier
20 min break- last minute practice. 6 at a time. Timed for 5 min each
1/10th Herbie 2nd quilifier
20 min break to set-up mains
150 lap SK enduro C-feature (winner advances to B)
Herbie 75laps B-Feature Event (winner advances to A)
250 lap SK enduro B-feature (winner advances to A)
Herbie 100 lap A-feature
500 LAP SK ENDURO A-FEATURE MAIN EVENT

Nice job with the rules....

We should atleast let them run together, I would never say only 1s lipo and no 4cell, thats forcing the current guys who may not be able to afford the switch just yet.

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Ken, I might have missed something along the way,so I would just like to be clear on it. Do the one cell lipo sk cars weigh the same as a four cell sk cars? I assume they dont. If the one cell cars are lighter, do we add weight? Just wondering about running them together if there is a weight difference.
Thanks.

Ken, I might have missed something along the way,so I would just like to be clear on it. Do the one cell lipo sk cars weigh the same as a four cell sk cars? I assume they dont. If the one cell cars are lighter, do we add weight? Just wondering about running them together if there is a weight difference.
Thanks.

No these do NOT weigh the same as a 4 cell, these cars with a one cell weigh about 2.05-2.15 depending on what type of electronics you are running.

When these guys ran 1cell together at T4 they did no better in laps than most do with 4cell 17.5.

IMO it is WAY to early to tell,we need some people to run them together A LOT more to be sure but so far they are no faster.

I think we would need to add some weight to the cars but NOT 3-4oz, but we need to get an idea of what all the current sk cars weigh with out a 4cell and then add the weight of a 1 cell to the total to get a better idea and make it fair. The solid SK cars are already a lot lighter because less parts, the rse is a very narrow chassis with less material then others.

The one week we ran SK 1 Cell and put the cars on the scale, the weights were 1.94 to 2.00. Mike Gordon was doing some math and thinks the set weight will be in the 2.05 -2.15 area. As Ken said, more testing is needed before the rules are set.

I think the best way to figure out what the weigt should be is this...
Take the weight of the 4 cell pack (X)
And the weight of the 1 cell lipo (Y)
2.30 - (X-Y)= new weight

cyentifik!!! LOL

3 weeks togo! Get those teams formed. Dont forget to come up with a team name. who will return from last year? the winners- Team C'MON!, The B-main winners, The Northerns? Team Smirnoff? Team RKR? Team Gramps? Who else?

Team C"MON is already there!!! LOL

IS turn 4 open this weekend at all?

IS turn 4 open this weekend at all?

No. We're closed in CT all weekend. We'll be open in MA today & tomorrow but closed sunday, Monday & Tuesday.
CT will be open again April 19th.

thanks

Get your practice in this sunday for the Enduro!! Only 1 week away!! :woohoo:

Last Week, Get those Team Names together. Come in Early Saturday work on those pit stops. Just ask Team C'Mon, Pit stops are key! Can they do it 2 years in a row. Team C'Mon Defending Champs of the 500lap Enduro!
Team C'Mon- Drivers/Owners: Ken Bohem, Dan Thibedeau
Sponsored by: Mastercard & Visa, KSKT

Sorry, Mike its Team C'Mon! ( u for got the exlamation point ) LOL C ya Saturday

Mike & Kim, Sadly I won't be there with my Herbie car. Other things going on this weekend. Have fun and good luck to those Enduro Teams...My $$ is on Team C'mon.

We will run our regular race program saturday night as well as the enduro if there is interest.

Thanks to Mike Gordon for a great job on calling the 500 laps of crazy fun racing.. Keeping track of all the laps and cars are a great challange. Also a great job to the corner marshalls for a job well done.

This was my first 500 Lap SK Enduro and can't wait for the next one... What a BLAST.....

Yea what a great time Thanks Kim & Mike you guys keep it going Again Thanks

Thanks ..... Hey Team Swampa$$.... Congrats on the win...... the score is now 1-1. very close racing all night.
C Ya next year for the SK enduro. Team Com ON! will be looking to put ourselves back on top.

Dan