Dave you can move this if needed.

I'm having a problem with the color of the front of the flyingsub...

I always thought of it a black...but all the info I've seen is steel/aluninium.

What have you guys done with yours?

Steve

I believe it's steel/aluminum with blue around the windows which the stripes connect to.

The only time I've seen it as black is a badly painted version of the kit as artwork on the Monogram reissue of the Aurora kit. It might read as gray in some photos simply because you're not getting the glint of the metal from every angle but it is aluminum with blue window frames.

I first painted my little FS-1 that way..I hated it...I guess I'm stuck on the black...version...I grew up with the Aurora sub, maybe that's it...

Steve

I split the difference,..I used metalizer titanium....

Steve

I have a couple frame grabs that show one of the shooting miniatures in scenes from the series - The front bulkhead appears to be an aluminum color - not bright silver - The blue stripes connect the blue trim on the top and bottom of the hull - the blue does not surround the windows in the pics that I have.

Dave

There are some photos of one of the filming miniatures on Flikr or Photo Bucket that show the front area as silver.

That was going to be my next question, Dave..I might not run the blue to connect the trim strips. I did my little one just like that. I ended up re-doing the trim...It must be remembering the Aurora box top,...nothing else looks right...

Thanks guys!

Steve

I have a couple frame grabs that show one of the shooting miniatures in scenes from the series - The front bulkhead appears to be an aluminum color - not bright silver - The blue stripes connect the blue trim on the top and bottom of the hull - the blue does not surround the windows in the pics that I have.

Dave

I guess it depends on which model you have pics of. The ones I have, which were collected from threads in this very forum, show the blue trim around the windows.

Could you post your pics? I'm very interested in seeing some possible variations in paint scheme.

"soitainly"...I'll do it late tonight or in the morning...
I'll shoot the little one and the titanium on the big one in progress...I still might go to black....just not liking the look so far...

Steve

I thought I’d start a thread comparing the different flying sub miniatures. What I’ve sorted out to this point is far from complete, but it is a start, and with luck maybe there enough people out there with information to fill in the gaps or correct my mistakes. As with Seaview color thread, I’ll come back to this first post from time to time and edit in any new information into this summary.
There were three different sizes of Flying Sub miniature.
There was at least one made of the smallest. At, 9.5" wide and 9" long (9.25 long with the tail fins) it was built to fit into the hangar on the 8.5' Seaview miniature.
There were at least two 18" x 17.5" long (18" long with the tail fins) miniatures, built to fit into the hangar on the 17 1/4' Seaview.
There were at least four (some sources say six) 36" x 35" (36" long with tail fins) miniatures built for specific filming purposes.

9" #1
Shape: up curved wingtips as per blueprints for 18"
Top Hatch: raised docking ring
Bottom Hatch: raised docking ring
Intakes: small holes for wires outside intakes
Spotlights: + grid
Exhaust: circular with +
Color: light blue strakes
Interior:
Details: Thick strakes

18" #1 (Basehart publicity photo version)
Shape: flat wing tip, top strakes gently curved. Does not match shapes on 18" blueprint.
Top Hatch: no hatch
Bottom Hatch:
Intakes: no intakes
Spotlights: no spotlights
Exhausts:
Color: dark blue strakes
Interior: none
Details: a study model?

18" #2 (Underwater hero)
Shape: flat wing tip, top strakes gently curved. Does not match shapes on 18" blueprint.
Top Hatch: raised docking ring, over scale hatch
Bottom Hatch:
Intakes: small holes for wires outside intakes
Exhausts:
Spotlights: + grid
Interior: rudimentary lighted interior, no girder above viewports
Color: dark blue trim, very wide blue stripe between window and spotlights
Details: one hole for wire under each wingtip. One hole for wires at top front and three at trailing edge between top fins. Was fitted with bubble generator. Red/orange lights inside exhausts. Front and rear wire can be seen lowering miniature from white light version of the 17' Seaview hangar bay.

36" #1 (Landing gear version)
Shape: flat wing tip, flat top extends fwd, steeply curving top strakes. Strakes match 18" blueprints; wingtips do not.
Top Hatch: raised docking ring
Bottom Hatch: raised docking ring
Intakes: no holes outside intakes
Spotlights: x grid
Exhausts:
Interior: girders
Details: hatches for remote manipulator arm, landing gear, and tail hook, 21 holes for wires around top perimeter. Back end open for wiring, mechanicals.

36" #2 (Underwater Hero)
Shape: flat wing tip, flat top extends fwd, steeply curving top strakes. Strakes match 18" blueprints; wingtips do not.
Top Hatch: raised docking ring
Bottom Hatch: raised docking ring
Intakes: Two holes for wires each side inside intakes, outside windows, partly covered by blue window trim.
Spotlights: + grid
Exhausts: circular with + grid and lights (red or orange glow)
Color: light blue
Interior: Interior with girders visible inside viewports, 3 (?) figures.
Details: Opening panel below viewports, no landing gear hatches. 36" underwater hero? Bubble generator. One small raised shape centered on either side of rear hatch. Round opening top center rear hatch. Heavily weathered. Two wire holes only along top center, front and back. Seen through windows leaving Seaview.

36" #3 (Bill Cotter’s, Flying hero #3 of 3 [?]?)
Shape: flat wing tip, flat top extends fwd, steeply curving top strakes. Strakes match 18" blueprints; wingtips do not.
Top Hatch: painted docking ring
Bottom Hatch: no bottom docking ring
Intakes:
Spotlights: + grid
Exhausts: +grid, red lights
Color: light blue
Interior:
Details: large hatch between top fins. Was fitted with smoke generator? No holes for wires on top surface. Miniature seen in home movie in Left Handed Man?

36" #4 (Bob Burns, Flying Hero #1 of 3[?]))
Shape: flat wing tip, flat top extends fwd, steeply curving top strakes. Strakes match 18" blueprints; wingtips do not.
Top Hatch: raised docking ring
Bottom Hatch:
Intakes: none Holes for wires outside vent locations
Spotlights: none (takeoff sequence shows flat yellow hull outside windows)
Exhausts: circular
Interior: none
Color: light blue strakes, red caulk around windows. Orange-yellow hull on screen.
Interior: none
Details: Eyebolt for Lydecker rig between front windows. Windows are mirrors. Large hatch between top fins. Was fitted with smoke generator and white lights in jet exhausts.

36" #5 (Flying hero number 2 of [3?])
Shape: flat wing tip, flat top extends fwd, steeply curving top strakes. Strakes match 18" blueprints; wingtips do not.
Top Hatch: very raised docking ring (inaccurate restoration?)
Bottom Hatch:
Intakes: small holes outside intakes
Exhausts:
Spotlights: x grid
Details:

36" #6
Shape: flat wing tip, flat top extends fwd, steeply curving top strakes. Strakes match 18" blueprints; wingtips do not.
Top Hatch: raised docking ring
Bottom Hatch:
Intakes:
Spotlights:
Exhausts: circular exhaust with a central tube supported by +piece
Color:
Details: 21 holes for wires around top perimeter

I stand corrected.
The pics I have DO show Blue around the windows and it appears that the divider between the windows is also blue......
These are screen grabs so the quality is not the greatest.. but it seems fairly plain to see that the area between the blue stripes - around the windows is Blue

Here is one........

Aluminum. Seems to me that there are variations between miniatures. I've only seen the blue stripes on one miniature that I can think of, and I believe that it was an 18". They're all muddled together in my brain right now. Whichever it was it looked very ill-painted. The thin window frames themselves are often blue (except one red). I am trying to sort out color details but it's a work in progress. If you have any good information on colors or other details between the miniatures, please feel free to also post them on my Detail Differences between FS miniatures thread that I just started.

You missed the 36" photo of the back with the port hole on the hatch.






http://www.freewebs.com/scifivehiclevault/apps/photos/photo.jsp?photoID=19160048

Some more screencaps.

HTH

Gordon

Are the intakes the same color?

Four pics of three different miniatures - The one at left is one of the flying minis - apparently not the one in bob Burn's collection as his has a yellow front bulkhead without any "intake" details. the blue around the windows shows up pretty well on that shot...hard to tell if the bulkhead is silver or yellow in that pic...
The two in the middle show Aluminum or silver colored front bulkhead with Blue around the windows - those two pics are probably the same shooting miniature not the flying mini though...
The last pic is the miniature with all the mechanical stuff for the landing gear and the grapling claw - that existing miniature is in pretty rough shape - quite a bit of the front bulkhead of thet miniature is pretty screwed up... Some pieces of it are missing...
The "intakes" on all the pics I've seen seem to be the same color as the front bulkhead around them - Aluminum if the bulkhead is aluminum or silver colored...

Dave

I'm going to be a heretic...No blue around the windows for me.

Steve

Mine (both monogram and moebius) will be black. It just looks better to me...

I'm not big on blue floors either.

I only ever saw VTTBOTS in color once on a neighbor's TV as a kid. It didn't look right.

I haven't gotten to color very much yet. Most of the photos I have of the miniatures are in b&w, and so far my main emphasis has just been trying to sort out any keys that label identify the different miniatures. I do have an excellent color photo what what is supposed to be the 3d of 3 36" flying heros, but it has been restored and is therefore useless. But next up is going back through all the colored photos I can find and seeing if I sort colors from one miniature from another, and then after that watching some DVDs.

I just compared my paint chip to the Moebius FS1 plastic color, it's pretty much a perfect match to my paint chip ... I have an original( not restored) yellow paint chip from one of the 36" miniatures.... it's really almost school bus yellow
Will

I find this look to be very interesting! What say you fellow members?
In fact the color looks almost identical to interior support beams.

The windows are framed in blue,with a dark grey caulking on the inner edge.This inner edge is in the Moebius bulkhead.The supports are a metallic grey.If you look at "The Silent Sabeteur" you can seen that color.

Steve, the Metalizer titanium is not looking right either. It's pretty dark, almost a gunmetal..but it's not right.Yup it's going to be black by tomorrow...

I'll send shots of the two subs before I re-paint though.
Sorry I didn't get them up earlier, crazy day...

Steve

There is a second cross brace on the back of the chairs that should make a square box.The hatch sould have four screws on the two hinge sides.I made these from plastic rod stock.There is a hole in the center of the wheel on the hatch.

I knew there was a reason I wasn't sleeping....lol

I fixed the chairs...trouble with the color though....

Steve

There is a second cross brace on the back of the chairs that should make a square box.The hatch sould have four screws on the two hinge sides.I made these from plastic rod stock.There is a hole in the center of the wheel on the hatch.


Great Job Alex!!!!

I knew there was a reason I wasn't sleeping....lol

I fixed the chairs...trouble with the color though....

Steve


Pontiac Engine Blue Metallic in the Testors Car Color Enamal Line.

Thank you, I didn't have a feel for the color using the Moebius chart...

I was thinking a light tinted blue/green metallic..

Thank you.

Steve

The painted 36" upper docking ring with drain holes.

HooHoo..a new detail...I thought./..figured it drained around the circumfrence...cool.. I used that same blue on my little sub,...I 'kinda want to go darker...

Steve

On the Actual Miniature...NOT THE FULL SIZE SET..the Window/Viewport frames are the Dark Blue...

The full Size set in the above Pic shows the Extra Detail..

So...You can paint it like the Miniature..OR...paint it like the full size set..

OR PAINT IT PURPLE WITH REDLINES:thumbsup:

or with Poka Dots..Or...:wave:

In Speaking to the Man who has the 3' Flying Sub in his Living Room,(Yes the actual Miniature that has the ugly landing gear and Claw)I can safely say that Chrome Yellow IS NOT THE EXACT COLOR.He doesn't Have a chip, a Piture etc but THE ACTUAL Miniature. Nuff said:cool:

By using a Pantone color chart, he has come up with EXACT color matches for all the colors..Which I hope to color Match With Hobby Paints or whatever paints this week....


Stay Tuned..........

Paul, I applaud your and Falcon's attention to detail.

I build for me. It has to look right to me...I'll be looking at the model for a long time.

You guys are really doing some amazing work.

But no girl ever took me home with her 'cuz I got a color correct on a model...
My hobby buddies and I used to laugh about that...we'd get so into whichever project we were on, But it didn't get us.......hehe...

Perspective.

Steve

Steve,It is about building Your model..........

Sorry Pal. It was warm and sunny here today...lol

But for me Close is ok...I can't get the Aurora boxart out of my head.
You guys have done stellar work in reproducing the Flying Sub,...I look at mine and want to see a better done version of my old Aurora kit...
Thank you for putting up with me....

Steve

There is a second cross brace on the back of the chairs that should make a square box.The hatch sould have four screws on the two hinge sides.I made these from plastic rod stock.There is a hole in the center of the wheel on the hatch.

I think those chair backs changed from season to season, so do what looks good to you, right?

But maybe I'm just slow today, are you trying to build so it looks just like a filming mini, or are you just trying to be as accurate to...you know, something realisitc?

Because I'm pretty sure that hole in the hatch is just a guide hole for one of the wire runs, not meant to be implied to be an actual feature of the flying sub.

Same as the drain holes in the upper docking ring. I don't think there's any wire runs there (or maybe a couple of the holes), just a way to drain the mini.

Just an opinion, your work looks great! I wish I could build like that...

I actually like all the do-da's of the 36" mini,so that's what I want my sub to look like.I like thinking of L.B Abbott and Howard Lydecker playing with their big toys.........alex

I actually like all the do-da's of the 36" mini,so that's what I want my sub to look like.I like thinking of L.B Abbott and Howard Lydecker playing with their big toys.........alex

OK, that's cool, I respect that idea. Not that it matters if I do or not, but I'm glad to understand your goal, fair enough? :)

opinions matter..........thats how we learn.:thumbsup:

top ring is done..........

Sorry Pal. It was warm and sunny here today...lol

But for me Close is ok...I can't get the Aurora boxart out of my head.
You guys have done stellar work in reproducing the Flying Sub,...I look at mine and want to see a better done version of my old Aurora kit...
Thank you for putting up with me....

Steve


Nonsense!

It's all good Sir.Have Fun!!!

Falcon, what are those two little dots? One on the top of the nose, and one just forward of the top hatch?

Steve

Did a little editing of the first post, added some more details.

You missed the 36" photo of the back with the port hloe on the hatch.






http://www.freewebs.com/scifivehiclevault/apps/photos/photo.jsp?photoID=19160048

Indeed, I've looked at that picture about 9 times. What the heck is that??? I'm suspecting it has something to do with the bubble generator, access to the valve for the compressed air or something. Nice catch!!

You really can't judge the hull or trim color based off of underwater shots, there are too many variables that can contribute to miss identification.

I think your best bet would be to study shots of the known and available miniatures taken after the series. I really wouldn't put much faith in that old film stock to give you a correct color reference.

BTW. I believe that all models of FS-1 had dark blue trim, all the pics I have access to support that. The only time it appears light blue is when it's underwater.

You really can't judge the hull or trim color based off of underwater shots, there are too many variables that can contribute to miss identification.

I think your best bet would be to study shots of the known and available miniatures taken after the series. I really wouldn't put much faith in that old film stock to give you a correct color reference.

BTW. I believe that all models of FS-1 had dark blue trim, all the pics I have access to support that. The only time it appears light blue is when it's underwater.

Absolutely true. They were probably lit with 400 million watt lights for the underwater sequences, which is why the blue appears light and the orange yellow appears lemon yellow. At least a couple of the miniatures were restored after filming so they can't be trusted, and still pictures color balance and reproduction can't be trusted either, and the miniatures were weathered and the paint was probably affected by environmental conditions as well. There's no way of knowing the exact color the miniatures started out as, were filmed as, only what colors might remain of them on the miniatures 45 years later. I'm just trying to see if I can spot any obvious color variation between the miniatures. So far I don't think that there were any, at least not major ones.
For a thorough discussion of the color of the FS, see:
http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=207609

Falcon, what are those two little dots? One on the top of the nose, and one just forward of the top hatch?

Steve



They are wire mounting holes and are on the 36" underwater hero miniature.You can just make out the front hole on this pic.

What color yellow would be best for the outer hull of the flying sub? I've seen so many shades in still pics and screen grabs. Anyone have a definitive answer, or a paint chip from the original ship? (LOL) And any blue hints for the docking ring(s)?

Any help appreciated!

Sincerely,
Scorp.

"Boldly GO!" :wave: :woohoo::woohoo: