Alot of us have 1/12th oval cars collecting dust. I'd like to know if this motor/battery combination would help revive a real fun class. I'm thinking of putting a 1 cell lipo with a 10.5 brushless motor in. This hopefully will be around 13.5 4 cell speeds. I know we have to do some testing but I would like to hear from racers that would like to see 1/12th oval return.

Dave Irrgang

I think you may want to go with the 13.5 motor instead. 10.5 would be pretty fast, much faster than 13.5 I am guessing.

I loved 1/12th scale racing. Just got to be to much money having different tires, and all the other stuff.

J-Dub,
I don't think 1 cell lipo will be that fast. On a smaller track I could see the 13.5 but on most tracks a 1 cell 13.5 car would be like watching paint dry. I'm trying to get the speed about the same as 4 cell 19t.
Thanks for responding keep it up.

Dave

McAllister LateModel bodies!!!! and 3.7V Battery.


Why not go with an old BRUSHED SPEC Motor (Silver Can, 27T handouts, 19T Spec) with any speedo.

Brushless is great but there is a huge supply of good cheap brushed stuff that could be used too. The cars would also be lighter since brushed electronics are about 1oz less.

Trailranger,
That is the way they have been running them and it is almost dead.
Since so many want to run lipo and brushless I thought this would help bring the class back. People now have some brushless motors and speedos laying around that could work in the 1/12th dust collectors we have on the shelves. Lets keep talking.

Dave

Hey Dave,

At the Oval Masters 13.5 4-cell was running 4.0's up front and now at Greeneville 13.5 single cell is going 4.1's.

IMHO...........go 13.5 with single cell. Remember you'll be ALOT lighter with a single cell.

Hey Dave,

At the Oval Masters 13.5 4-cell was running 4.0's up front and now at Greeneville 13.5 single cell is going 4.1's.

IMHO...........go 13.5 with single cell. Remember you'll be ALOT lighter with a single cell.

That is what I was thinking too. 13.5 1C is pretty slow, but it isn't that slow :thumbsup:

OK, I'm willing to try it. I talked to Barry Hill and he feels that it might be to slow also but I'm willing to try it. There is a large concrete track here in NJ that I think it will be to slow but it is only a motor change so that makes it easy. I agree the car will be lighter.
I guess I'm old school and want to go fast. The hobby is definately going backwards as far as speed is concerned.

Dave

OK, I'm willing to try it. I talked to Barry Hill and he feels that it might be to slow also but I'm willing to try it. There is a large concrete track here in NJ that I think it will be to slow but it is only a motor change so that makes it easy. I agree the car will be lighter.
I guess I'm old school and want to go fast. The hobby is definately going backwards as far as speed is concerned.

Dave

I agree 100%............bigger tracks may need hotter motors, but indoor carpet 13.5 should be fast -n- fun!:woohoo:

1 cell LiPo and 10.5 would be great with me. Not going to buy any more NiMh batteries. The lighter weight would be less wear on parts.

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That's because you carry a van full of parts.Don't you remember what happen with 1/12 mod at Trax 70.Here you are cleaning up the pieces.
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Jman91,
I know you are glad I carry so many parts. How many times have I supplied you parts to keep running after your multitude of wrecks. :wave:
Remember when you forgot to change the tires. :cry::cry::cry::cry:
Dave

Jman91,
I know you are glad I carry so many parts. How many times have I supplied you parts to keep running after your multitude of wrecks. :wave:
Remember when you forgot to change the tires. :cry::cry::cry::cry:
Dave
That was your car:thumbsup:There was the "Braman" incident at Trax70.

I sure hope so, I just picked one up in the hopes this class takes off. Kevin

That was your car:thumbsup:There was the "Braman" incident at Trax70.

Gotta love it when there's a dead car sitting in the middle of the track when you come around, wonder who could've been sitting there????:rolleyes:

1/12 scale cars were made to be out of control. Single cell 3.5 works for me..

Gotta love it when there's a dead car sitting in the middle of the track when you come around, wonder who could've been sitting there????:rolleyes:
The "Dead"car should have dumped you and not let off.:thumbsup:Remember if you pull the trigger your car will accelerate:woohoo:

1/12 scale cars were made to be out of control. Single cell 3.5 works for me..

Theres the voice of reason that we were looking for:) I ran it twice and it was a blast for the above reason, you had to drive the car.

I am all about 1/12th mod. I dominated that class when I was younger up in Maine. 10 double, 6 cell packs...Hang on!!!

I would love it, it is just 13.5 on "snowbirds" style track would be more accessable for everyone. For BIG outdoor tracks, 10.5 or 8.5 would probably be fast!!

so basically your going to run "stock" 1/12th scale? No different than 17.5 4 cell...

so basically your going to run "stock" 1/12th scale? No different than 17.5 4 cell...

What do you mean? 13.5 1C is much faster than 17.5 4 cell.

it is? Maybe all of us up here in the northeast are missing something... while it is slightly faster, we're running 17.5's and 13.5 1c's together in stock 1/10th scale and there is little difference

Wow. Either you have killer 17.5's or bad 13.5...LOL

On a small track they may be close, as the 13.5's have zero get up and go. On a snowbirds sized track they are running fast laps of 4.1's (only 2 or 3 of them) in 13.5, and in 17.4 4 cell I think Jody Miller ran 4.4's and 4.5's on the same track. It is about 2 to 3 laps faster than 17.5 4 cell, and about 2 to 3 laps slower than our best 21.5 cars (Honeycutt)

Well considering I have killer 13.5's and 17.5's, i don't think thats the issue. We are running smaller tracks though

IRS Dave - talking about speed and/or going backwards...

In doing some preparation for our upcoming VELO Shootout, I was looking at some old results and video footage from the RCThunderdrome 1991 @ the ENCINO VELODROME.

The "STOCK" Class (which was I believe that 'special' Tdrome 23t STOCK motor) with 6 cell and (4) minute racing.

The average car was running 14+ second laps, and running in the 17/4.00 range

...just a couple weeks ago, our SLOW 21.5/LIPO class (using the "SLOWER" Orion 3400 lipos) ran a NEW Record 29/5:08 run. Thus a mid 10 second average lap, with FAST upfront laps in the 9.96 second range.

We're only running ONE minute longer, but we're going 12 laps MORE. (And this SLOW class is running faster than the "Factory Sponsored" MODIFIED racers went that year) -- It's crazy!!

....on the 1/12th scale - we've had a couple people playing with 1/12th scale at our local club racing...not enough to be organized with the rules yet, but my son ran 17.5/LIPO (2 cell lipo) in his 12L3...and it was jammin and hooked up on our 265' track.

I have been running 12th with 21.5/lipo all season and I wil say that it is a blast. Our runline is 80 ft. and the car is very competitive.

Dave, I agree 12th scale in dying FL, they had been running 19T 4 cell, they tryed 13.5 4 cell but I think that as more racers have seen the light of lipo they have decided to not buy anymore sub c's. What a year ago was a strong class at club races has been replaced with about half as many SK's.

Dave in a couple weeks when you come down to the speedway race, take some time and talk to Mike Bean. He may have some insight for you on ashpalt oval in sunny fla.

98ron,
I think Mike's input would be awesome. I think there will be plenty of time to talk.
I would like to see the class come back. The thing we need to do is make it so there is not alot of different 1/12th divisions. I think if we keep it to say 2 types of motors, 1 for short tracks and 1 for larger tracks, there might be more interest. That way the car stays the same where ever you go just use the other motor.
I want to keep it simple. There are to many classes in oval.
I hope to have my 1 cell battery here soon so I can work on which motor to use and realistic weight to suggest for the class.

Dave

Dave, a couple weeks ago, Mike Bean had his 12th scale 1 cell lipo out practicing at the Jax oval, run line about 250 ft I think, it was ballistic fast. I asked him, 8.5? His response 4.5. With the 1 cell deal we can go as fast or as slow as we need, it could be the future of 12th scale.

After the 08 oval nats I decided to go brushless and lipo 100%, that parked my 12th scale. We had been running 19T 4 cell.

I think the growing popularity of SK in FL will hold back the 12th scale, the SK use 10th scale tires. Most of the FL 12th scalers have SK's and are running now.

Timing is everything, like casette and 8 tracks, if casette would have been out the 8 track would never have happened. I know you remember those days.

If the 1 cell lipo had been available a year and a half earlier, oval would be 1 cell instead of 2 cell now. just my opinion.

BTW, a group of us 10th scales will be practicing 13.5 1 cell at Mike Beans track this Saturday and racing if we can get it worked out.

It seems that the future is here everyother month or so!!!

Wow. Either you have killer 17.5's or bad 13.5...LOL

On a small track they may be close, as the 13.5's have zero get up and go. On a snowbirds sized track they are running fast laps of 4.1's (only 2 or 3 of them) in 13.5, and in 17.4 4 cell I think Jody Miller ran 4.4's and 4.5's on the same track. It is about 2 to 3 laps faster than 17.5 4 cell, and about 2 to 3 laps slower than our best 21.5 cars (Honeycutt)

I'm pretty sure Jody ran a 55 4:03-4:04 and was starting off in the 4.2's last time he was at Rosewood in 17.5 4cell. Not more than a couple of seconds slower than 13.5 single cell and he only showed up once or twice to race.

13.5 single cell indoor and 10.5 single cell outside. Most people that had 12th scales went through to many tires and parts because the cars were a bit to handle. Speeding them up any more would just keep people from investing again. Keeping the speeds somewhat sane for the masses would get some people back in my opinion. Now where the hell did I bury that 12th scale of mine.:woohoo: