Hello All.....I am starting a new thread for the Triclone's 2009 Outdoor season. Now that the carpet season is just about over and the weather is clearing (not soon enough LOL).....what are your thought on the upcoming outdoor season. I know there has been talk of fixed gear ratio for a class, spec tires, battery, speedos and the like. Lets hear what you think. I copied Dave's schedule from a different thread.....it is below. See you on the asphalt. LD

Here is the schedule for the outdoor track:

June 5-6-7 Practice---track will open at 8am

June 13-20 Racing track open 8am racing at noon

July 4-18-25 Racing track open 8am racing at noon

Aug 8-15-22 Racing track open 8am racing at noon

Sept 5-12-19 Racing track 0pen at 8am racing at noon

The track will be open for practice on Fridays at 2pm on race weekends we can also change some start times to do some night racing. We can also do some two day events if their is enough interest

The track will be sealed and lines put down in late May. We want to do this when it is warm and then hopefully have a few warm days for it to cure before the GM hits it

I talked to Dave, and racing will be starting earlier, maybe the second week in May, the track may not be resealed until early June. Due to lack of attendance, the Fri night program will probably be canceled. This is up for negotiation if more than 6 guys want to race on Fri night.
We are going to keep the battery to the SMC 3200 28C and the Orion 3200's. Thats why we went with the SMC 3200 in the 1st place. Jr says it will be "track suicide" to change the batteries now.
We may have to put in the spec class rules that only GTB's are allowed due to the advanced timing issues with the LRP's and Tekin's. There are a lot of used GTB's now that are cheap if anyone has to switch.

I still think we ought to consider the one cell for spec. with the voltage drop that should more than take care of the speed and speedo issues, plus it would be a good transistion for it to the carpet this fall. just my 2 cents. we could also look at a cot type body that should also slow things down adn make us work on set up tires outside should not be that bad since we all run almost the same ones. that ould also transfer easily to inside also. and the cot type classes seem to be taking off. with the one cell we may want to consider a 13.5 motor though. most of us have these sitting around also.

Not to piss you off Brian, I've been doing that to alot lately on here. Some of US can't get a regular 21.5/Lipo to handle with the best at Tri-clone in Pro or Spec Classes, now you want to add to the confusion and throw in a lighter battery and different body. Anyways thats just my opinion. Besides the COT for outside how would you mount that big wing over the stock appearing wing?

If you want to do a spec body in the limited 21.5 class it should be a high down force body like the Protoform Charger or Toyota or a Windtunnel HSI, it would make the cars much more user freindly.

Also it make no sense to mandate a new battery when a gear ratio rule would keep the cars to a reasonable speed. Pinion gears are a lot cheaper than batteries.

it just seems that other areas are doing the one cell thing that way if we were to go somewhere else we would be legal and vice versa just looking at what is happening here that might help us. and no jason you aren't making me mad it is good to here others adn to bring up points we might have missed.

17.5 1cell should be real close to what 4cell stock use to be and that was always a huge class with super close racing.

Just speaking for the spec class I think 17.5 1cell would fit in alot closer to the speeds of the spec class right now than the 13.5 1cell would. 13.5 1cell seems to be the same or slightly faster than 17.5 4cell from what I've heard. The point of 1cell is to obtain a more controlable speed for newer/budget/less experienced racers so we want to make sure we dont end up with another class thats too fast. 17.5 1cell I think would mix in pretty good with the current spec rules if guys wanted to start transitioning to that.

Looked at some results from Greeneville. The fast guys running 13.5 1 cells fast laps were less than .2 tenths slower than 21.5. 1s 17.5 should be much closer to the spec speed range.

that would sound good to me I think it would be fun.

Hays SR or JR, What are the thoughts for batteries and motors for 17.5/ 2 cell lipo? Or is it anything goes in that class? Just wondering if there is going to be a max. battery rule.

Steve,
We've been going by the BRL rules, which is any roar approved motor, and any battery up to 5400mah. The SMC5200 24C pack is the one we've all been running and its only $85. As far as a motor either the Novak or the trinity Duo are the 2 best. The duos you can get for around $65-70 new.

Have you run the SMC 40c packs yet? Just wondering if they are worth the money, or if you can be just as fast with the 24c or 28c.

And for 21.5/lipo the only 2 batteries allowed are the SMC 3200 28c and the Orion 3200 correct? No 40c allowed right?

You can be jsut as fast with the 24C. In my testing on carpet I'm convinced the 5200 24C packs are faster than the SMC 5200 40C. The new Thunder Power 40C pack is decent too but is about $35-40 more. Yes The SMC 3200 28C and the Orion pack are the only 2 legal for 21.5

it just seems that other areas are doing the one cell thing that way if we were to go somewhere else we would be legal and vice versa just looking at what is happening here that might help us.


How many of the guys that are running the spec class are traveling racers and where are you going to travel to to run cap tire 1 cell 17.5 with a COT body?

I don't see the logic in using that arguement for one cell packs.

If you are looking for a cost controlled class why make the budget racer buy $100.00 in new equipment to be able to race when a $12.00 worth of gears would accomplish the same thing? Aren't we trying to encourage new people to come out & race instead of telling them the stuff they have now is not legal?

Bob, are you going to be able to make it out this summer? If so, are you going to run 21.5 or 17.5 ?

Jr, got it. So what your trying to say is don't waste the money on the super packs when the ones we have now will work just fine.

its called looking to the future.

Bob, are you going to be able to make it out this summer? If so, are you going to run 21.5 or 17.5 ?

Yes sir. I have parts on order & I'm starting to build cars. The wife & I are working the same hours for the first time in the 20 years we have been married so I should have plenty of time to work on my stuff, if my honey-do list doesn't get too long.

I'm starting a new class 8.5 single cell truck body spec tire class so we can water down the competition even more. I'm thinking if we can have 2 cars in every class there will not be as many crashes so my parts bill will be lower and my pratice time will be much more limited so I won't wear tires out as fast.

Actually I'm going to run 21.5, if time and $ allow try to run some 17.5.

Glad to hear you will be out . :thumbsup:

im not going to get into any of this spec class. im just going to run normal 21.5 if a spec class picks up u can count me in:thumbsup:

im not going to get into any of this spec class. im just going to run normal 21.5 if a spec class picks up u can count me in:thumbsup:
Wise beyond his years....that is the correct attitude Sean...good for you. :woohoo:

Wise beyond his years....that is the correct attitude Sean...good for you. :woohoo:

y thank loyd only learned from the best

y thank loyd only learned from the best

:confused: :confused: :confused: LLoyd2 ??? :p

I think the same batteries are just fine, and for a spec class the gears thing is the better way to go money wise.

lloydd2 don't be to eager to get outside because your going down buddy.

So who is running what class or classes this summer?

Cody will be running 17.5 lipo

:confused: :confused: :confused: LLoyd2 ??? :p
Hey Andy....he meant the best being you....not ME!!!! :devil:

Aside from a spec tire that may be used (that has still not been decided) and the fact that you will need only 1 pinon (or 2 at the most) a fixed gear will be the best way to go for the spec class. A new 1 cell battery and new motor kind of defeat the purpose of keeping the cost low....besides, who in the spec class travels to other tracks to run and if they do, they can then invest in a new motor and battery to run there. My concern is how to police the new generation of speed controls that have adjustable timing....which even with a fixed gear may give those folks an advantage by turning up the timing and thus indirectly gearing up the motor. As Hays Sr stated...the rules for 21.5 stand as is from last season except you can run the 3200 batteries that were ran this past carpet season. Pete.... :tongue:

Is the spec class going to replace the latemodels? Or are they going to be two seperate classes? I would go with the fixed gear for the spec class. Cost effective. Maybe try a COT body. Anything to keep the speeds down. Just my 2 cents

We should allow GTB's only, almost everyone has them and if they don't, they can be had inexpensively. If some guys want to spend money and run the single cell packs, we will be doing some testing to see how they compare to a fixed rollout that simulates what stock used to do. We would also like to try the spec cap tires so when the tires from last year are worn out, maybe we can use the spec tires. I think the COT body is out because the wing is not large enough.

I disagree with teh GTB'S only we have talked about keeping the cost thing low now for those of us that have different speedos we would need to buy another speedo, when they, at least in my case can be checked by a laptop which several people bring tot he track to check and make sure there is no timing in the speedo. seems like an easy check to me.

Hays, I would agree that the wing is too small on the COT. So that won't work.

steve got a PM. brian r u going to be racing this weekend?

Just throwing this out there... if the budget/ beginner/ novice class was a breakout class everyone could run whatever equipment they had and the lap time could be set at a resonable speed say 7.0 or 7.2 sec.

I guess to me it doesn't mattter since I wouldn't run that anyway, I was just trying to make suggestions to make this class better for the people that will be running it.

Hey Andy....he meant the best being you....not ME!!!! :devil:

:drunk: Are you smoking again LLoyd??? :p lol

So who is running what class or classes this summer?

Cody will be running 17.5 lipo

21.5 for me. Waiting to see what the spec class turns out to be.

you know if you don't start to agree on something, It will end up the way it always does somebody is eventually going to have to decide on something, and just make the rules for it and then you'll just have to live with it. So if you can agree on something sooner than later you'll all be better off.

LD, just remember what Sonny told you a few years ago !!!!!!!

Sean no I can't make it cause I have do that thing called work. I will try to make one more weekend before we go outside.

hey dave is the outdoor track going to be open today for practice :lol: jk hope we can get out there soon


sean

68 deg. today !!!!!! Track dry??????????? Lets put the caps on !!!!!!:cool:

68 deg. today !!!!!! Track dry??????????? Lets put the caps on !!!!!!:cool:

steve im with u on that one

A bump-up for Danny D. :thumbsup:

thanks Mr. Koback, I need all the help I can get!! What class does JR., kevin and Corey run?

thanks Mr. Koback, I need all the help I can get!! What class does JR., kevin and Corey run?

Whatever class Sully is not in LOL

Whatever class Sully is not in LOL
AMEN!!!!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

thanks Mr. Koback, I need all the help I can get!! What class does JR., kevin and Corey run?
Danny D....they all normally run in 17.5 lipo, but when they get tired of beating and banging on each other (sorry Sully), they drop down and do a little bushwacking and run 21.5 lipo. Hope to see you doing something other than Daddy duty this summer. :rolleyes:

Do we have one more for 17.5 lipo this summer? Come on LD jump up with us!!!!!!!!!

just wondering does BRL also run at outdoor tracks????

Do we have one more for 17.5 lipo this summer? Come on LD jump up with us!!!!!!!!!

Yea, give us other 21.5'ers a chance!!! :p http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/images/icons/icon10.gif

just wondering does BRL also run at outdoor tracks????

Just carpet so far!

loud and clear Kevin!!