What scale is the Mustang from the Muscle cars Release ?

I was looking forward to this release, thinking they would be in scale with the Auto thentics releases of 50,s cars etc (I was wrong):(

They are quite large IMO, The Mustang being HUGE :rolleyes:

Anyone else feel the same or is it just me ?

Greg (Carsdownunder)

I noticed that too. The detail is really good, but it does seem a little on the large side.

What scale is the Mustang from the Muscle cars Release ?

I was looking forward to this release, thinking they would be in scale with the Auto thentics releases of 50,s cars etc (I was wrong):(

They are quite large IMO, The Mustang being HUGE :rolleyes:

Anyone else feel the same or is it just me ?

Greg (Carsdownunder)

Got a comparison photo next to another Mustang? Maybe a greenlight?

I do not have the M2 1970 Mustang so I can't measure it - but if you have one you can. A 1/64 scale model of a 1970 Mustang should have a wheelbase of 1 & 11/16 and a length of just under 2 & 15/16 (inches). The wheelbase of the real car was 108 inches and the length was 187.4 inches. I wouldn't be surprised if M2 got the scale wrong but can't accuse them of that without knowing the model's measurements. - ranchero -

In comparison to the GL and JL '69/70 Mustangs, it definitely seems larger. Different scales, no doubt.

Well, that stinks.

I think the JL '70 mustang is a little on the small size scale wise. The GL '69 Mustang may be a better comparison. I've got four of the M2 Mustangs on their way to my house. I hope they aren't Jada sized.

It is as large as the Chevelle, i am very disapointed the scale is so incorrect.

they match GL's scale don't know why people don't complain about them. these surpass most other 1/64 cars in details

they match GL's scale don't know why people don't complain about them. these surpass most other 1/64 cars in details

On most, you are right, the Mustang is the exception though. It does have good detail, but the scale is way off.

The M2 Mustang has a wheelbase of 1 7/8" & overall length of 3 1/4" . Its almost as long as my Greenlight '04 Marauder ! The M2 Daytona is even longer than the Mustang , but so is the real car .....

I opened my M2 Mustangs & Daytona tonight , was dissapointed in both .. Wheel color on Mustang way too dark , one was missing the red lens in the taillights & left door was loose - wouldnt stay shut . Daytona had small scratch in the L headlight door , hood wouldnt close all the way , & the chin spoiler is body color ? Shouldnt it be black ??
Did some repairs & fixed them .. Also , I dropped the Daytona ( Dammit!) & broke the rear wing off ... Its plastic , just like Greenlights . Epoxied it back on ...
The 50's cars are so nice , but Ive not been as impressed with the muscle cars so far .. Will see if the next set is better . there is 3 I'm interested in ..

Edseldave: Then the scale of the M2 Mustang is 1:58 (rounded).

What is wrong with with that? Can nobody at M2 discern this mistake during the production process? That is just sloppy, careless work and the criticism of the product of this company is well deserved.

Are they now making their product to size - to fit packaging - rather than to scale? If so, that is another problem with this company.

- ranchero -

I dont know if M2 is making the cars to packaging size , but the '59 Caddy is also huge ! But so is a real one ..
When Racing Champions was doing the Mint Edition line 10 years ago , they made them to size .. All of them were 3.25" long . I think it said that on the packaging .. So the car scales were all different ..
The only problem Im having with these cars is when they're over 3" long , they dont fit in the storage cases ... I guess Plano better start making bigger cases ....
I dont mind the scale being off a little , but hope quality stays good . those two I just opened were probably the worst Ive got from M2 so far . The rest were better , or no flaws ..

Are they now making their product to size - to fit packaging - rather than to scale?

- ranchero -
Don't they all - for the most part - exept for possibly Greanlight?

- flummoxed -

I didn't have a GL Mustang for comparison but I did have a JL 1/64th and a Road Champs 1/43rd on hand..... and yes, the M2 cars do appear to all be made to be the same. My Olds 442 and Roadrunner are the the same length as the Mustang.

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*** I think they're beautifully done regardless ***:wave:

Those are good photographs and an excellent illustration of the difference in scales. Well done.

If toys or models are simply designed to fit packaging (like say Matchbox) then should it not be policy for the manufacturer to identify the correct scale of the item? Matchbox does.

The scale of a toy or model is often indicated on the packaging or on the baseplate. This marking is courteous but really also part of what the company is selling. Collectors seem to prefer one constant scale and if an expected 1:64 scale model turns out to be 1:58 scale there is a good reason to be disappointed. The manufacturer in this market should be marking the models correctly.

M2 Machines is not doing so.

On the M2 Machines website they have posted the following information adjacent to a photo of the orange '70 Mustang:

"M2 Machines DETROIT-MUSCLE™

We are delighted to announce some of the finest muscle cars ever created in 1:64 scale, now have a name that truly sets them apart...... The M2 Machines Muscle Cars will now be named:

M2 Machines DETROIT-MUSCLE™

Following, We are introducing the Skyhood option in our Detroit Muscle™ Release 3. It is a very unique design and has never been done in the 1:64 diecast"

Twice this company proclaims the scale of the releases to be 1:64 scale yet the Mustang customers have been buying have turned out to be 1:58 scale.

Also note that my measurements indicate the 1959 Cadillac has been produced in a scale of 1:62 - closer but not 1:64.

I guess the market will bear out if M2 is viable or not. JADA obviously didn't give a rip about what either the scale purists or the vehicle purists (factory look) thought and still sold a ton of vehicles.

Personally, I like the M2 product with the chrome and opening doors. But then again, I don't display most of my stuff open, rather hanging on a peg board. So as long as it is not broken in the package, I don't have an issue with quality. I'm not fond of the sky hood in R3. But again, the market will bear out if it was the right decision or not. I do love the chrome and black and gold chase cars, though. Just wish they had an exact numbering like GMs.

Nice comparison photos. I compared a JL '70 stang to a GL '69 stang today and they are pretty much the same length. So, I was incorrect when I assumed JL was on the small side. With that said, it does appear that the M2 Mustang is on the large side. That is a bit disappointing, but I'll reserve my opinion until I have them in my hands.

Interesting discussion. I was under the impression that the M2 Machines Detroit Muscle was exactly 1/64th scale like GreenLights are.

I have measured a couple of GreenLight cars with my digital caliper and they came darn close to 1/64th scale (without paint). Most of the cars were between 1/63rd and 1/63.5 scale. With the paint thickness included, it might have very well been true 1/64th scale.

I'm curious as to how these Mustangs were measured. Were they eyeballed with a ruler or measuring tape? Or exact measurements with a caliper?

Interesting discussion. I was under the impression that the M2 Machines Detroit Muscle was exactly 1/64th scale like GreenLights are.

I have measured a couple of GreenLight cars with my digital caliper and they came darn close to 1/64th scale (without paint). Most of the cars were between 1/63rd and 1/63.5 scale. With the paint thickness included, it might have very well been true 1/64th scale.

I'm curious as to how these Mustangs were measured. Were they eyeballed with a ruler or measuring tape? Or exact measurements with a caliper?


I only eyeballed the Mustang (Openned), Like I do with all my diecast, Sometimes I am way off,But I have my perceived scale perception (My own Opinion) If it looks close enough for me & has good detail I will buy it (No Matter the brand),

You don,t even have to open the package & measure the Mustang to know that it is huge (For 1/64) if you see one in person IMO

Greg (Carsdownunder)

Twice this company proclaims the scale of the releases to be 1:64 scale yet the Mustang customers have been buying have turned out to be 1:58 scale.

1/64th scale is a term that is used loosely unfortunately.
Has been for a long time and probably always will be.
I think Jada even calls their cars 1/64th and we all know they're far frummit.

And as far as quallity goes, once in a while you get an exceptionally well done model, but these are made in China after all.

- S. Ay LaVee -

So, I finally have all four of the mustangs in my little hands....

Yes, it is much larger than the rest of my 1:64 scale Mustangs. This is disappointing since I can't really display them with the rest of the stable. However, I do like them enough to give them their own display space. I have many of the same concerns that have already been stated here concerning size, paint and wheel colors, etc. so I'm not going to rehash. Instead I'm going to comment on what I feel are positives.

First, although the scale is off, the proportions and the lines of the casting are very good. The best I've seen for this model in "1:64" so far. The tampos are also very good. Although the color of the Mach 1 wheels are too dark, I'm going to give M2 credit for doing this wheel at all. It is a really cool wheel variation. The color problem should be easy enough to fix on future models. hint... hint....

I like the fact that M2 has gone to the effort of creating different grilles, exterior appearance options, and engine packages. This increases the realism of the model and will make for fun and interesting collecting.

The interior is excellent for this scale. I am enjoying the realism of the seats and dashboard. The woodgrain accents in the dash and center console are very cool. I am also enjoying the variations of the interior colors. The white interior of the red Mach 1 is a great combo. I also like the attempt at the blue interior of the Blue Boss 302. However, the color of the interior, like the body color, is off.

Although I don't normally display my cars on bases, the diamond plate base for these models is pretty cool. Since I won't be dsplaying these cars with my other 1:64 scale Mustangs, I may actually decide to display some of these cars on the base.

Overall, I think the pros of these models outweigh the cons. If M2 can get their quality control in order, get their factory colors correct, lose the "sky hoods" and the redline tires (they just don't belong on a '70 stang) I'll be buying more of these. With that said, I still may limit the number of these models that I buy. Typically, I would snap up every 1:64 mustang put out. However, the larger size of this Mustang will probably cause me to buy only the versions that I really like since I won't be displayng them side by side with the rest of my 1:64 collection.

SD64,
Might not be an option for you but when I display loose cars I will sometimes just put all the bigger cars together (Jada, Siku, Norev, JLFT).

SD64,
Might not be an option for you but when I display loose cars I will sometimes just put all the bigger cars together (Jada, Siku, Norev, JLFT).

Good point. Other than the M2's, I really don't have any of the larger 1:64 scale cars. However, if M2 puts out other Mustangs and stays consistent with their size, I'll just create a display section for the M2 stangs. I have future plans for more display shelving in the office anyway, so I should have plenty of room for different scales.

Hi Everyone,
I have the '59 Cadillac from M2 Machines. And based on the spec that I found online at this site:
http://www.libertysoftware.be/cml/mycars/1959/info/59stat.htm
it's actually spot on at 1/64 scale. I was actually really impressed by it. Not sure about he Mustang since I don't have one. Looked too big so didn't buy it.

1959 Cadillac Dimensions

Wheelbase
130 inches
Series 75: 149.5 inches
Width: 81.1 inches
Front/rear tread: 61/61 inches
Overall length:
225 inches
Series 75: 244.8 inches