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02CooperS
06-22-2009, 06:59 AM
Tim - I run a Hitec 7955TG in mine. 330oz of torque @ 6V and $120.

ev2fast
06-25-2009, 01:49 AM
whats up! no chit no chatter whats the mater, it gets a little warm and everyone
goes inside and sucks up there air.
the guys out west endure triple digit temps and no shade!
come on grab a cold one and the laptop and keep this thread alive.:thumbsup:




p.s. i know its a dry heat.














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dasmonkeyboy
06-25-2009, 10:10 AM
Hey Erv,

Did you pull your axles apart, and find what the problem was? Did you have to add more grease, or was it a shimming problem?

ev2fast
06-25-2009, 12:48 PM
Hey Erv,

Did you pull your axles apart, and find what the problem was? Did you have to add more grease, or was it a shimming problem?
I pulled a shim from each side of both spools F/R.
Worms have plenty of lube that smells like fish and looks like jelly.
It freed up the thing a little, the front is good but the back still gets
hot after 5 or so minutes. :cool:

twistedone
06-25-2009, 03:54 PM
I pulled a shim from each side of both spools F/R.
Worms have plenty of lube that smells like fish and looks like jelly.
It freed up the thing a little, the front is good but the back still gets
hot after 5 or so minutes. :cool:
If your refering to a losi comp crawler

I have 2 of them running fine go thru all bearings and remove outer seal remove grease and oil with a light oil like zubak speed lube also went thru all trans bearings and do same thing helps a ton

also removed the grease from worm gears and relube with light black grease from associated put all the alum hop-ups and that removes some heat like a heatsink

let me know if you need any help I will try my best to help out in any way

ev2fast
06-25-2009, 11:10 PM
If your refering to a losi comp crawler

I have 2 of them running fine go thru all bearings and remove outer seal remove grease and oil with a light oil like zubak speed lube also went thru all trans bearings and do same thing helps a ton

also removed the grease from worm gears and relube with light black grease from associated put all the alum hop-ups and that removes some heat like a heatsink

let me know if you need any help I will try my best to help out in any way
Thanks for the tips, cause at this point I am willing to try anything.
I get half the run time of my ax10 with new and better lipos.
11.1 gets hot in less than 5 min. really really hot 17.5 novak
motor and esc. 17 tooth pinion .
7.4 really hot in about 5 min. same pinion, heat is mostly in back
worm gear.

twistedone
06-26-2009, 01:52 AM
Thanks for the tips, cause at this point I am willing to try anything.
I get half the run time of my ax10 with new and better lipos.
11.1 gets hot in less than 5 min. really really hot 17.5 novak
motor and esc. 17 tooth pinion .
7.4 really hot in about 5 min. same pinion, heat is mostly in back
worm gear.we are also running 2 cell 18.5 novak goat system with 12 tooth pinions

02CooperS
06-26-2009, 07:30 AM
Erv - I think you are over geared. I'm almost the same gear ratio as Bob. I run a 17.5 in mine and use a 14t pinion w/ 3S Lipo, and my motor temps out between 120 and 150 depending on how aggressive I drive the course. It's still a little over geared, but I like the wheel speed it has. I have a 21.5 on order and I think that it's probably going to be the best motor for the Losi. The 17.5 just doesn't have the torque like a 21.5. And your run times will never be as good as the AX10, it's just the inefficient nature of a worm gear axle. When I was out practicing a few weeks ago I was averaging 12-15 minutes or so each run and draining about 1200mah out of my battery.

It's just too bad someone hasn't machined an Alum. axle housing with some fins around the center section, that would really suck the heat out of the gears. It does take a little bit, but the the more you run it the worms will break in and temps will come down. Especially if you lube up the bearings and re-grease the worms like Bob posted. I don't know what kind of grease was used in the kit, but I also cleaned out mine and re-lubed. I would say the only thumbs down I'd have to give Losi on the crawler is that it's pre-assembled. 90% of things that guys seem to have issues with wouldn't happen if the end user would have had a kit to assemble and fit on their own.

ev2fast
06-26-2009, 08:01 PM
thanks andy I thought I might be.
I'm gunna try a 12t pinion and see if my temps
go down at all.:thumbsup:

dasmonkeyboy
06-26-2009, 09:35 PM
Anyone want to setup some courses this Sunday and do some crawling.

02CooperS
06-27-2009, 06:47 AM
I was planning on being out there this afternoon, but not tomorrow. I have my 21.5 and some new tires for the 1.9 I wanted to test out. I'll probably be there around 11.

dasmonkeyboy
06-27-2009, 05:08 PM
Just to let everyone know. Next weeks comp will be Friday at 3:00pm, because of the holiday. See everyone there.

02CooperS
06-27-2009, 10:42 PM
Schane - Here is the part # for the Futaba servo horn you asked about.

LOSA99039

FYI - I don't know what the threads on your steering link are, but the Losi horn is drilled and tapped for 4-40.

dasmonkeyboy
06-28-2009, 08:11 PM
Schane - Here is the part # for the Futaba servo horn you asked about.

LOSA99039

FYI - I don't know what the threads on your steering link are, but the Losi horn is drilled and tapped for 4-40.

Thanks Andy. For the thread size I always drill and tap for a 3mm screw.

Tdevil
06-28-2009, 10:42 PM
Just to let everyone know. Next weeks comp will be Friday at 3:00pm, because of the holiday. See everyone there.

Does everybody have the 3rd off from work, or do we need to push the start time later into the evening?

WyldWeazel
06-28-2009, 11:01 PM
I am away from home for the week, but I am trying to make every attempt to be present for this comp. Making it later in the day would make it much easier for me. I will do what I can, no matter what time we have it.

02CooperS
06-29-2009, 07:02 AM
Denney and I were planning on being there, but only for practice. I didn't find out until Sat. that the comp. was rescheduled for Friday

Ntwadumela
06-30-2009, 08:08 PM
Comp still at 3:00 on Fri? Just trying to plan my weekend.

Tom H

dasmonkeyboy
06-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Comp still at 3:00 on Fri? Just trying to plan my weekend.

Tom H

We are going to push the time back to 5:00pm on Friday so that everyone will be able to make it.

Tdevil
07-01-2009, 12:05 AM
Sounds good. Comp Friday, July 3 at 5:00. Call and let me know if you will be running late or can't be there at 5 and we will try to make sure you are a part of the program.

Ntwadumela
07-01-2009, 08:46 PM
I'll see you guys at 5:00 on Fri. John, any idea when the place might be opened on Fri? I have the whole day off, and after not running in over 5 weeks, I could use some extra wheel time.

Tom H.

Tdevil
07-01-2009, 10:41 PM
I have plenty to work on around the place. I would say I will be out there from Noon on on Friday.

scramblerman
07-02-2009, 08:15 PM
just got a lipo someone told me you need to break them in by charging them and then discharging them at a slow rate a few times is this true?

02CooperS
07-02-2009, 09:57 PM
I've never read that before. Just make sure and only charge them at a max of 1c. So if you have a 1500mah battery your max charge rate would be for 1.5 Amps. And depending on the brand of Lipo you should always use a balancer as well.

WyldWeazel
07-02-2009, 11:16 PM
Well guys I have some bad news. I won't be at tomorrows competition. I have spent my week "off" from work, trying to get my house in Muskegon ready for sale. Well we found black mold in the drywall in the basement, so you know what I will be doing for the next few days. Sorry I won't be able to join you.

Take care.

Jim

dasmonkeyboy
07-03-2009, 02:50 AM
just got a lipo someone told me you need to break them in by charging them and then discharging them at a slow rate a few times is this true?

No that is not true. The only thing you have to do is charge it with a charger that is lipo compatible. And make sure you use a speed control that has a lipo cutoff built into it. Or you will destroy the battery and possibly catch it on fire. Lipo fires are nothing to mess with. I have seen video of them on fire and shooting across rooms like bottle rockets.

twistedone
07-03-2009, 05:41 AM
how much$$$ for todays comp

02CooperS
07-03-2009, 07:49 AM
I believe it's $10 for the first entry and $5 for a second.

Tdevil
07-03-2009, 10:31 AM
Yup, correct on the fees.

They did dump some more concrete. Not much, but some. Some of it was dumped on the existing pile and may need to be arranged a bit. Mostly small pieces that can be moved easily.

Again, I will be there by Noon for anyone that wants to come out early.

ev2fast
07-03-2009, 02:45 PM
Sorry guys the(warden/wife)has denied me parole for tonights comp.
Instead I must attend fire works, cause the warden has to work on the
4th.:confused:

dasmonkeyboy
07-04-2009, 01:47 AM
Today's comp SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was me and Tom H. Everyone else bailed or didn't show up. A few more comps like this one and there wont be a crawler course in GR any more. Then everyone can drive to Detroit to do comps.

DirtTrackRacer
07-04-2009, 10:17 AM
Today's comp SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was me and Tom H. Everyone else bailed or didn't show up. A few more comps like this one and there wont be a crawler course in GR any more. Then everyone can drive to Detroit to do comps.

Maybe if you guys didnt push the rules so much you'd have more comps!
people do have other lives. I'm on the s.e. side of the state, we crawl when we can how we can. not to many rules!

are rules are: whoever hits the most gates looses and has the most number of reverses. Basic rule no points. I have more of a turnout like that rather than setting NATIONAL RULES all the time.

your all to worried about when everyone can come out for a comp. How about setting a post up like: "run what you brung" open play day.....

then you'd prob. have a bigger turnout

dasmonkeyboy
07-04-2009, 10:50 AM
Maybe if you guys didnt push the rules so much you'd have more comps!
people do have other lives. I'm on the s.e. side of the state, we crawl when we can how we can. not to many rules!

are rules are: whoever hits the most gates looses and has the most number of reverses. Basic rule no points. I have more of a turnout like that rather than setting NATIONAL RULES all the time.

your all to worried about when everyone can come out for a comp. How about setting a post up like: "run what you brung" open play day.....

then you'd prob. have a bigger turnout

Anytime you want to come and run our comps for us feel free to do so.

twistedone
07-04-2009, 10:53 AM
Today's comp SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was me and Tom H. Everyone else bailed or didn't show up. A few more comps like this one and there wont be a crawler course in GR any more. Then everyone can drive to Detroit to do comps.
SOMETHING WRONG WITH DETROIT?

actually im just giving some shit just that time of the year I guess :wave::wave:

twistedone
07-04-2009, 10:55 AM
Maybe if you guys didnt push the rules so much you'd have more comps!
people do have other lives. I'm on the s.e. side of the state, we crawl when we can how we can. not to many rules!

are rules are: whoever hits the most gates looses and has the most number of reverses. Basic rule no points. I have more of a turnout like that rather than setting NATIONAL RULES all the time.

your all to worried about when everyone can come out for a comp. How about setting a post up like: "run what you brung" open play day.....

then you'd prob. have a bigger turnout
that sounds like no fun at all unless you lived in Jackson then thats more fun then watching grass grow

dasmonkeyboy
07-04-2009, 11:04 AM
SOMETHING WRONG WITH DETROIT?

actually im just giving some shit just that time of the year I guess :wave::wave:

No offence intended Bob. The drive is just a little long to do all the time.

Jim and I are planning on being at your next comp this month.

twistedone
07-04-2009, 11:30 AM
No offence intended Bob. The drive is just a little long to do all the time.

Jim and I are planning on being at your next comp this month.

sweet
see ya then I understand the frustration

dasmonkeyboy
07-07-2009, 03:54 PM
Maybe if you guys didnt push the rules so much you'd have more comps!
people do have other lives. I'm on the s.e. side of the state, we crawl when we can how we can. not to many rules!

are rules are: whoever hits the most gates looses and has the most number of reverses. Basic rule no points. I have more of a turnout like that rather than setting NATIONAL RULES all the time.

your all to worried about when everyone can come out for a comp. How about setting a post up like: "run what you brung" open play day.....

then you'd prob. have a bigger turnout

You know, you sound just like a guy that got kicked out of our club because all he did was WHINE, BITCH and CRY!!!!!!!!! about everything from no dig to there are too many rules. We use the USRCCA rules because that is what everyone "INCLUDING" the whiner voted to use. Not that it is even remotely any of your business!!!!!

If it is your intent to try and tell us how to run our club comps, I would suggest you worry about your own course unless your going to drive up here and show us your maaaaaad comp skills!!!!

ev2fast
07-07-2009, 05:28 PM
Now you have a big monkey on your back and you haven't even been to
are rock piles yet, come on up and show us how its done.:cool:

lmdude
07-07-2009, 08:12 PM
you guys kick people out of your club? did you refund his money? wow :confused::beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse:

02CooperS
07-07-2009, 08:46 PM
No Brian, he kicked himself out by bad mouthing everyone and everything we did via this forum. He was never was a club member so he was just asked to not come back if he didn't have anything but negative things to say.

WyldWeazel
07-09-2009, 10:54 PM
I was hoping to come out and do some testing this weekend. However, my company was purchased this week, and the new bosses have decreed that I must go to Detroit to review some tooling relocation to my plant. :freak:

Lawn Dart
07-10-2009, 08:39 AM
Does anyone happen to have this tekin hotwire set up? I have an fxr and would like to try this out since I dont trust the programming on the esc and have a mac which they dont offer the hot wire for. I had a ton of glitching on the initial run but just hoping it was due to the low batts in my transmitter. Any suggestions?

WyldWeazel
07-10-2009, 10:55 AM
Twisted Crawler has one, in Detroit. I know he hooked me up. It was a great help. You should get with him and see if he can help.

Jim WyldWeazel

dasmonkeyboy
07-10-2009, 12:52 PM
I have a hot wire. should be able to use one of the computers at BFG sometime to update your ESC. When did you plan on being at BFG again?

Lawn Dart
07-10-2009, 02:24 PM
I should be out there tonight to race. The only issue now is that people are saying to not run this esc with a 11.1 pack with out a bec. Problem is that noone around here has one for that application. To my understanding the fxr can handle 3s but the forums say it will burn up with out the bec???? I know shops around here are not really INTO the crawling thing but it stinks having to research and order all of this stuff online.

any info or help you guys can offer I really appreciate

Jason

dasmonkeyboy
07-10-2009, 02:35 PM
With the fxr you will have to run a bec. The best bec you can run in my opinion is this one http://www.dimensionengineering.com/SportBEC.htm or you can call riders and order a castle creations bec.

02CooperS
07-10-2009, 02:48 PM
I wouldn't run any crawler without a Bec. Even the measly 1.9 I have has one, but especially if you run 3s. The built in bec's in the Esc claims 6v/3amps, but under any load the bec output drops greatly and the Esc gets hot. It won't burn up an Fxr b/c it will just shut down once it reaches it's thermal temp, I know from experience. Castle makes a perfect Bec and it only costs about $20 and is easy to install. I had Tyrone at Rider's order mine for me. Just keep in mind that the Fxr is only 3s compatible if you have a motor w/ 35 or more turns. I went through the exact same things your going through right now, so don't get too frustrated. Even R/C crawling is like the 1:1's. Open wallet and watch money disapear. Thankfully not quite as fast though.

Lawn Dart
07-10-2009, 05:19 PM
Thanks guys. I really appreciate it. Yea, the frustration can jump up fast sometimes. I will get one on the way and go from there.

thanks again
Jason

Lawn Dart
07-10-2009, 09:15 PM
So I am looking around in the forums and it sounds like it is not as simple as just getting a bec? Do I need to program this thing depending on which battery I am using? So confused. What happened to buying stuff that just seemed to work?