I have a used set of drive shaft rings...I've upgraded to bigger drive shafts and don't use them anymore. You can have all 4 for $4.00

You might want to paint these first, if you are putting them on that shinney new truck!!!

thanx nate ill take em. when you going to back to bfg? i prolly wont paint em though eventually my rig will also look like the rings:thumbsup:


pinion size??? smallest i have is 15 or were can i get one locally if no one has one?

It looks good now! But after your first comp. that thing is gunna
look like the bottom of a rental canoe with you at the wheel.


I think this quote best captured the future condition of XXX's rig. I practically fall on the floor laughing every time I read this one.

Hey Keith, I picked up a 12t pinion over at Riders awhile back.

anyone wanna part with a little lipo? i only have 10th scale ones and i tried to make a saddle pack but no go no enough room with the old school speedo i got in here.

im prolly gonna go to riders tues i need to get weight,batt "which one should i get?" if they have one,pinion also. anyone have these things im ready to buy lemme know.. see you fellas on the pile ohhh I HAVE NO DIG...

Keith - If your going to have Rider's order you a pack have them get you the Great Planes electricfly 1500mah 3S Lipo. That's the pack I had them order for me. It runs about $35. (Great planes part #GPMP0717).

As for weight, that's not too easy to answer. My rig is only about 6lbs, while Schane's is around 9lbs. You'll have to experiment with that one b/c every one drives different. The more weight I added to mine the worse it got.

Don't worry about the dig, or lack there of one. I've seen Nate and Jim B. pull off some crazy things w/o one.

Keith - If your going to have Rider's order you a pack have them get you the Great Planes electricfly 1500mah 3S Lipo. That's the pack I had them order for me. It runs about $35. (Great planes part #GPMP0717).

As for weight, that's not too easy to answer. My rig is only about 6lbs, while Schane's is around 9lbs. You'll have to experiment with that one b/c every one drives different. The more weight I added to mine the worse it got.

Don't worry about the dig, or lack there of one. I've seen Nate and Jim B. pull off some crazy things w/o one.

when r u goin back to the track id like to fit your batt into my rig before i buy it with this esc there is little room its crazy.

I'll be there tomorrow night around 5:30 to do some maintenance. I'll bring my rig with me

I'll be there tomorrow night around 5:30 to do some maintenance. I'll bring my rig with me
ill pop in if i can try to do some figuring:thumbsup:

I will be there tuesday evening as well:thumbsup:

Keith...bring your bling.

I will be there tuesday evening as well:thumbsup:

Keith...bring your bling.

yep ill stop by with my rig if u remember nate bring them things :dude:

So with this being the first weekend of the month is there going to be a club meeting this Sunday? If so is it possible to have it at Noon? This will be our last opportunity to voice anything as a group about our upcoming comp.

I had a chance to see Keith's rig last night and it is SICK!!!!!!

So with this being the first weekend of the month is there going to be a club meeting this Sunday? If so is it possible to have it at Noon? This will be our last opportunity to voice anything as a group about our upcoming comp.

I think that would be an excellent idea.:thumbsup:

Sounds good to me Andman.:thumbsup:

Hey Nate! That engineering... aka jimmy rigging, we were working on the other night worked out great. My "behind" the axel steering turned out great. I still need to add the mounts for the power steering pump, flux capaciter, high pressure occupation, and servo... but she is almost ready. If I didn't need to be into work at 4 this morning, I would have had it done last night. Your right... the aluminum wasn't the most expensive part. It was the beer. :p

Hey Schane... I got my bec on order. (woot)

I am (hopefully) going to leave work early today, and get a nap. With any luck I will be at BF tonight for some testing.

Hey Nate! That engineering... aka jimmy rigging, we were working on the other night worked out great. My "behind" the axel steering turned out great. I still need to add the mounts for the power steering pump, flux capaciter, high pressure occupation, and servo... but she is almost ready. If I didn't need to be into work at 4 this morning, I would have had it done last night. Your right... the aluminum wasn't the most expensive part. It was the beer. :p

Hey Schane... I got my bec on order. (woot)

I am (hopefully) going to leave work early today, and get a nap. With any luck I will be at BF tonight for some testing.

if my batt comes in form my boy craig at sidetrax i may stop out for a bit

Unfortunately my work has put a kabosh to me crawling anywhere but into bed. :cry: Sorry guys. I am wiped. I didn't get out of work until 4. :cry:

Just wanted to let everyone know that my wife and I are taking our trailer out camping for a week. We are leaving tonight. I will not be there again until after Easter. :wave:

Just wanted to let everyone know that my wife and I are taking our trailer out camping for a week. We are leaving tonight. I will not be there again until after Easter. :wave:

man i went campin once got bored after a day of it plus its still to cold but whatever floats your bout have fun IF THE CAMPERS A ROCKIN WE WONT COME A KNOCKIN... "WELL JUST LOOK IN THE WINDOWS HAHAHAHAHA":thumbsup:

Ok guys, how does this look for a score sheet to use for the upcoming comp?

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/BFRCScoreSheet.jpg

Thought I better post that we will be closed April 12, Easter Sunday. Everything else will be as normal for the week. Racing on Wednesday and Saturday. Practice on Tuesday (oval), Thursday and Friday (off-road)

John - Are you planning on closing the off-road practice on the 26th so we don't have any unforeseen problems with our comp?

Ok guys, how does this look for a score sheet to use for the upcoming comp?

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/BFRCScoreSheet.jpg

That looks great. Very professional. :thumbsup:

Jim S.

Ok guys, how does this look for a score sheet to use for the upcoming comp?

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/BFRCScoreSheet.jpg

Were you thinking to score multiple classes with one score sheet per driver?

IF NOT...please ignore the following
IF SO...read on :freak:

A 'class line' needs to be added near the 'course # line' to clarify what class is being scored. [OR] Perhaps half the boxes could be printed in a different color to set them apart? Can you fit enough boxes/lines to score all class runs (potentally 8) on one page? If you need to create space, you could put two score boxes (one of each color) on the back side just for the trophy runs. [OR] score the trophy drivers on a standard usrcrca score sheet.

DEVIL'S ADVICATE How would we handle a driver running in three classes.....or multiple vehicles in one class? One sheet per driver/per vehicle would be the easiest way to be consistent.

I was thinking of having multiple classes on one score sheet but there wasn't enough room and it would have probably been more confusing than just one vehicle/class per sheet. I'll post it on the comp page and ask that everyone print it off and bring it with them with their info filled out and ready to go.

Club meeting update
I was a little disappointed to only see a few guys show up for the meeting. It was posted on here to start at noon, and I mentioned it to everyone I could the Friday before. Thanks to John, Shawn, Nate, Jim and Tom for being there. Some of the items below were not discussed in the meeting but need to be brought up for clarification and/or a better understanding.

There are some rules that we have been lax on enforcing or have not been clear on that will be enforced from now on regarding reverse penalties, vehicle repositions, gate clearing, rock repositions during a run, and starting times.

• Reverse penalties (Rule 1.2 and 7.1). If your vehicle rolls backwards for any reason, intentional or not, you will be charged one reverse point penalty.

• Vehicle repositions (Rule 1.4). If you take a 10 point reposition you must return your vehicle to the last gate cleared with the rear axle in line with the gate. It will be up to the judge to decide if the vehicle can be placed in line with the gate or not if the terrain will not allow.

• Start and Finish gate clearing (Rule 3.3). This one has been scored three different ways that I’ve seen over the past few months. So let’s try to agree on one method. As per the rules once a vehicle breaks the plane time starts/stops. I’m not in favor of this as it’s written. It means ANY part of your vehicle that breaks the plane starts/stops time. I’m more in favor of ruling it as once the front axle crosses the plane time starts/stops. Any opinions/objections?

• Comp starting time and starting order. This is the one that really gets my goat. The comps start at 1:00pm. If you are running late call one of us and tell us. Don’t wander through the door at 12:59 and say “I’m here on time.” That no longer is going to fly. As far as starting order this is going to change as well. We’ve been saying when you get here sign up and that’s the order you run. Well if you lollygag until 12:45 of course you are going to be one of the last people to run the first course, which is a huge advantage. I’ve been either first or second every comp that we’ve had this rule, and it sucks! Starting on April 19th we will be using the following rules for starting order (As per USRCCA rule 3.5). The starting order for the first run will be a random draw done once everyone has signed in. We will close sign-ups at 12:45pm, if you have not called one of us to let us know you’ll be late and show up between 12:45pm and 1:00pm you automatically go first. If you show up after 1:00pm you will receive a 50pt DNS penalty and will not get to run the first course. I hate to be the “you know what hole” on this, but someone has to and I’m really good at it. The track opens at 11:00am, so this gives you 1 hour and 45 minutes to get to the track and sign in. Also in order to keep things flowing smoothly please be ready to go at least one run ahead of time.

• Rock repositions before, during and after a run. At no time whatsoever will a competitor be allowed to reposition any rocks for whatever reason before, during or after a run, even if they are part of the maintenace crew. Only the judges, with the maintenance crew's assistance if needed, at the time will be allowed to move rocks around if something fell out of place on a run. Also during your run if a rock rolls out of place and wedges itself under your rig or creates a hole, or whatever, the judge will ask you if you want a rock reposition and if you want one time will stop and the rock will be moved back into place and time will resume once the judge says “Go”. 9 times out of 10 when a rock is jarred loose the course can still be completed as designed. The only designated day for overall course maintenance will be on Friday nights by the maintenance crew (Schane, Erv, and myself). Don’t be scared to make suggestions for maintenance if you think it needs it. If a suggestion is made we will ask several people to try it out. If a portion of the pile is deemed impassable after that we will fix it and run again and again until it works for several rigs. If the pile falls into disrepair like it has a couple times the maintenance crew will make an announcement that it will be closed and no further crawling will be done until it is fixed.

• Membership cards will be completed and distributed shortly. I didn’t realize we were waiting on an agreed design. Shawn will have these done once we get the member list from Schane once he gets back from vacation.

I'm down with that interpretation of the rules.

I don't even have a dig so calling it tough is awsome for me, but I feel an arguement comming on. Just to be an ass about one might argue, based on that....If all 4 wheels are turning forward and the truck slides back that that is a reverse too? HUMMM...

I am curious as to how the boys on the east side score the dig reverse thing.
TWISTEDONE.....care to enlighten us?

• Reverse penalties (Rule 1.2 and 7.1). If your vehicle rolls backwards for any reason, intentional or not, you will be charged one reverse point penalty. We have not been too strict on this, and we have decided as a club to interpret this rule slightly different than exactly stated in the USRCCA rules. For example if your sitting still on an incline and hit your dig and the vehicle rolls backwards in the process you will be given one reverse point. But if you are under power on an incline and hit the dig and the rear tires roll backwards while the dig engages, but the fronts are still under power and moving forward no penalty will be given (This too should be considered a reverse penalty as well, but we are not calling it as such).

I can live with that rule. I must not understand the portion about your front tires moving forward and egaging the dig can be considered a reverse. As I understood the rules, as long as your tires are spinning forward, you do not get penalized for bouncing backwards. I figure I am just not understanding your description. :)

• Vehicle repositions (Rule 1.4). If you take a 10 point reposition you must return your vehicle to the last gate cleared with the rear axle in line with the gate. It will be up to the judge to decide if the vehicle can be placed in line with the gate or not if the terrain will not allow.

There is a discussion on this in the competition folder of RCCrawler. Basically it says that if you have to do an off course repair, you take your 5 point repair plus 10 points for "touching" your vehicle. The only benefit of the 5 points you taking for repairing offline, is that time stops and you will only lose 1 minute. That is nice if you have a big snafu. Plus when you return to the course you start at your last finished gate. I thought I would point out that discussion incase anyone wanted to read it.

• Start and Finish gate clearing (Rule 3.3). This one has been scored three different ways that I’ve seen over the past few months. So let’s try to agree on one method. As per the rules once a vehicle breaks the plane time starts/stops. I’m not in favor of this as it’s written. It means ANY part of your vehicle that breaks the plane starts/stops time. I’m more in favor of ruling it as once the front axle crosses the plane time starts/stops. Any opinions/objections?

I Feel that we need to make it "front axle" crosses the plane. I don't feel that the last gate (this sunday) was finished correctly when only one wheel broke it. And I would remind everyone that I had a heck of a time even getting my 1 wheel upto it. ;)

• Comp starting time and starting order. This is the one that really gets my goat. The comps start at 1:00pm. If you are running late call one of us and tell us. Don’t wander through the door at 12:59 and say “I’m here on time.” That no longer is going to fly. As far as starting order this is going to change as well. We’ve been saying when you get here sign up and that’s the order you run. Well if you lollygag until 12:45 of course you are going to be one of the last people to run the first course, which is a huge advantage. I’ve been either first or second every comp that we’ve had this rule, and it sucks! Starting on April 19th we will be using the following rules for starting order (As per USRCCA rule 3.5). The starting order for the first run will be a random draw done once everyone has signed in. We will close sign-ups at 12:45pm, if you have not called one of us to let us know you’ll be late and show up between 12:45pm and 1:00pm you automatically go first. If you show up after 1:00pm you will receive a 50pt DNS penalty and will not get to run the first course. I hate to be the “you know what hole” on this, but someone has to and I’m really good at it. The track opens at 11:00am, so this gives you 1 hour and 45 minutes to get to the track and sign in. Also in order to keep things flowing smoothly please be ready to go at least one run ahead of time.


That is a great idea. I can live with that.

• Rock repositions before, during and after a run. At no time whatsoever will a competitor be allowed to reposition any rocks for whatever reason before, during or after a run, even if they are part of the maintenace crew. Only the judges, with the maintenance crew's assistance if needed, at the time will be allowed to move rocks around if something fell out of place on a run. Also during your run if a rock rolls out of place and wedges itself under your rig or creates a hole, or whatever, the judge will ask you if you want a rock reposition and if you want one time will stop and the rock will be moved back into place and time will resume once the judge says “Go”. 9 times out of 10 when a rock is jarred loose the course can still be completed as designed. The only designated day for overall course maintenance will be on Friday nights by the maintenance crew (Schane, Erv, and myself). Don’t be scared to make suggestions for maintenance if you think it needs it. If a suggestion is made we will ask several people to try it out. If a portion of the pile is deemed impassable after that we will fix it and run again and again until it works for several rigs. If the pile falls into disrepair like it has a couple times the maintenance crew will make an announcement that it will be closed and no further crawling will be done until it is fixed.

That is a great idea. I can live with that.

• Membership cards will be completed and distributed shortly. I didn’t realize we were waiting on an agreed design. Shawn will have these done once we get the member list from Schane once he gets back from vacation.


Sweet. Did I hear that we may get a local hobby store discount?;)

If all 4 wheels are turning forward and the truck slides back that that is a reverse too? HUMMM...

No, per rule 7.1.3. As long as all four wheels are rotating forward no reverse penalty is given if you slide or bounce backwards

I am curious as to how the boys on the east side score the dig reverse thing.
TWISTEDONE.....care to enlighten us?

I'm game for any other opinions on the reverse dig thing. It's a heated debate on RCCrawler as well. There are three straight pages of it. But from what I've read if we were at one of the big comps around the country no matter what your doing if any tires rotate backwards you get a reverse penalty. They were also talking about some judges calling a reverse if the individual blocks of treads on your tire would fold over backwards you would get a point. I don't think we need to go that far.

Sweet. Did I hear that we may get a local hobby store discount?;)

I can live with that rule. I must not understand the portion about your front tires moving forward and engaging the dig can be considered a reverse. As I understood the rules, as long as your tires are spinning forward, you do not get penalized for bouncing backwards. I figure I am just not understanding your description.

Yes you did, between 10% and 15% and participating hobby shops that will be listed on the cards.

The reverse dig ruling. I'll try to clarify the description. Basically if I was climbing up the cable ramp and I wanted to get around the gate at the top and I hit the easy button no reverse penalty will be given as long as my front tires do not stop rotating forward. As long as I'm still trying to make forward progress and do not get out of the throttle I'm OK. If I let off the gas and my rear tires roll backwards while hitting the easy button, then a reverse penalty will be given. Better?

[QUOTE]They were also talking about some judges calling a reverse if the individual blocks of treads on your tire would fold over backwards you would get a point.

I agree that that is too far...I vote that ....Any rearward movement of any number of wheels at any time during a run will be scored as a reverse.

nuf said?

That is how the rule was meant to be understood from what I read on RCCrawler, and I don't have a problem following that.

Sounds good to me too. Now we just have less then a month to break everyones bad habits. :wave:

Andy, you racing tonight. I think I am going down to do some testing tonight. Ironically, remember that BEC I was waiting for... well it got delivered in the mail Saturday. I forgot to check the mail until after the competition on Sunday night. :rolleyes: Just my luck.

I know Erv will be there, so see ya then.

I will only be there to drop off a body I painted. I won't have any of my stuff with me.

Like I said before I don't mind being the bad guy. I'm already "That Guy" for not being one of the lemmings using Chisels. I'm now in even more of a dilemma choosing between the Rovers and Comp Claws. I'm leaning towards the Comp Claws, but I ordered a new set of inserts (Along with a bunch of other goodies for my rig) to try in the Rovers before I "officially" change tire camps.

Well at least this Lemming didn't pay for his chisels. LOL. I know how it feels... I like the Chisels, but I had good experiences with my Panthers too.

I'm down with that interpretation of the rules.

I don't even have a dig so calling it tough is awsome for me, but I feel an arguement comming on. Just to be an ass about one might argue, based on that....If all 4 wheels are turning forward and the truck slides back that that is a reverse too? HUMMM...

I am curious as to how the boys on the east side score the dig reverse thing.
TWISTEDONE.....care to enlighten us?
if the tire moves in a reverse motion at anygiven time it is a back-up point thats how we do it

see you guys on the 26th
there is at least 3 coming so far

if the tire moves in a reverse motion at anygiven time it is a back-up point thats how we do it

see you guys on the 26th
there is at least 3 coming so far

Thanks Bob!

That is great news. I look forward to seeing you again. I almost made it to your first summer point series crawl... but as it turns out...

my work IS trying to kill me. :D

Jim.

Aka WyldWeazel

Andy,

1 thought I had last night after you left. If anyone goes into 2 wheel drive to go through the salad bowl, they will get a reverse. :( That is a bummer. I know I can make it through there in 4 wheel drive, but I have never snapped an axle shaft either. :thumbsup: Just a thought for you.

Jim.

Well I guess it's good I don't have mine set up to freewheel the rears. It will be even better when the Losi is released. With the worm gears there shouldn't be any problem with roll back in the drivetrain.

I also adjusted the reverse penalty post on the previous page since its linked on the comp thread.

Andy:

Do your fingers hurt from all that typing?

No doubt! I figured I'd better get it all posted up on here since I didn't write any of it down at the meeting. That and too many wobbly pops and it would have all been forgotten.:drunk:

Just a thought, just go by what is written in the rules. Makes it real easy. The USRCCA rules allow for changes
3.1 - USRCCA recognizes that some events/clubs may need some local rules to accommodate there terrain and group size. Please post these exceptions in event notifications.

The start and finish gate change isn't a terrian problem, Add an extra gate to your courses for the finish gate. Start and finish gates aren't progress gates.

That start time thing, nice way to drive people away, good plan.

Bob - It has been posted over and over again and brought up over and over that we need to start on time. I don't know why people still think they can show up after the last minute and expect us to wait for them. We have to handle this the same way as a normal racing program. If the first race were to start at 1pm and I were to walk through the door at 1pm or later why should the whole program stop and wait for me to set up my stuff and sign in and re-sort all of the classes I sign up for? The doors open at 11:00, and we start at 1:00. I'm confused as to why it's so difficult to arrive and be ready by 1:00.

I guess I'm a little confused by the start/finish comment you have. We never did count either as a progress gate. No points are given for those gates.

These were the reasons why we had the club meeting this past weekend to try and get everything sorted out. If this would have been posted a week ago we would have been happy to discuss it at the meeting.

Does everyone think we should get together one last time as a group on the 19th to discuss the items that have been talked about/or posted here??

I almost hate to mention it (because I have it) but, does anybody feel that Behind The Axel Steering is an unfair advantage and therefore should not be allowed in 2.2 limited class?

The arguments to disallow BTAS...
*This mod opens up line choices that are not available to drivers with a 'normal' front mounted drag link. Not having a drag link out front may result in less reverses being scored on a run.
**A primary intention of this class is to control the cost to be competitive and also to provide a leveled playing field for newbe drivers or drivers who may prefer a more 'scale like' vehicle set-up.

The arguments for allowing BTAS...
*This mod does not affect turning radius.
**The cost of this mod is fairly low and can therefore be considered within the reach of entrylevel competitors.
***Nate would not have to change his set-up and re-learn to drive before the comp:).

Haha, I like the last argument for allowing it.

I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed. In most cases it's an easy mod to. I'm going to sit down and figure out if I can engineer one for my own rig since we have the weekend off from comps. That and it will allow me to mount up my other super secret goodies that are waiting at the post office for me to pick up.:devil:

A 2.2 Limited Class vehicle is defined as.....a 2.2 crawler with a single motor, shaft drive, front wheel steering and no dig*. Radio use is limited to two channels (actually used) for control (throttle and steering) .

2.2 Limited Class vehicles must conform to USRCRCA rules for 2.2 class concerning physical size limitations; wheel, tire, body, chassis, wheelbase etc.
2.2 Limited Class vehicles are futher restricted within the guide lines of the 1.9 class concerning the following areas: motor, driveline, suspension, steering and radio restrictions.
Battery voltage is unrestricted.
Course setups and scoring shall be exicuted according USRCRCA 2.2 class rules.

*A dig equiped vehicle may compete in this class provided the dig servo is unplugged from the reciever or removed, the vehicle must operate only in four wheel drive.
Motor on axel [MOA] rigs are NOT allowed.


If there are no amendments (pending BTAS restriction) I reccomened that the above be coppied to the Rumble thread, possibly to the first post?
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I'm a little scared about singling out the MOA's to the full comp class. I can understand why since they kick ass. But you can get a full MOA kit and run it box stock, although I don't know why you would.

As long as everyone else agrees on it I don't have a problem with it.

My .02 Cents

have a no dig class is cool but dont start a attack on every hop-up you will turn this into :example:
13.5
17.5
21.5
27 turn
mod
vtam
sedan
truck
buggy

you get my point
we all will win or class cause there is 300 of them now

NO DIG CLASS AND THAT'S THE ROCK BOTTOM LINE CAUSE" BFG" SAID SO

Thank you for the input Bob, that's why I am a little scared about them as they were written. Being too restrictive on parts and vehicles is too confusing. I've seen your example happen too many times. That's half the reason I stopped racing on-road. Every time I got my car working good everyone else was bored of the class and did something else. That and 1:1 race cars don't race on carpet, bleh!

*A dig equiped vehicle may compete in this class provided the dig servo is unplugged from the reciever or removed, the vehicle must operate only in four wheel drive. Motor on axel [MOA] rigs are NOT allowed.



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On some crawlers, including mine. If you unplug the dig servo, the drivetrain will not stay in 4WD. The servo pushing against the linkage is the only thing keeping it in 4WD.

It would be better to 40 point DNF the person if they use dig while comping in the stock class.