Has any one tried this set up yet.
A lot of us have the 17.5. do not want to toss them in the brushed non used bin. To me racing is all relative. the one battery is awesome. The fast guys are going to be fast no matter what they run. For us B and c guys it would be nice to save some money and run the old motors.if it is several laps slower who cares. Hey we can run other types of bodies instead of the cookie cutter THD that (Even I broke down and use One) everybody uses. Even the old super truck would be great.
The Sk mods look great and are picking up a good following.
So lets here from the people who have tried it.
Cheers
Dan

Has any one tried this set up yet.
A lot of us have the 17.5. do not want to toss them in the brushed non used bin. To me racing is all relative. the one battery is awesome. The fast guys are going to be fast no matter what they run. For us B and c guys it would be nice to save some money and run the old motors.if it is several laps slower who cares. Hey we can run other types of bodies instead of the cookie cutter THD that (Even I broke down and use One) everybody uses. Even the old super truck would be great.
The Sk mods look great and are picking up a good following.
So lets here from the people who have tried it.
Cheers
Dan

I ran single cell 17.5 and have been trying to get the class going at the local track that I race at. Used the ORT truck body and it's pretty cool. Lap times and a 170'-0 run line track was 4.9 -5.1 seconds. I think I could get it faster. It's a great class for beginners and guys who want to have some cool door to door racing without tearing up equipment. It's also really easy on tires. We ran it at a 36 oz weight.

Bill

Steve Salvas tested it at St-Roch last friday and ran times almost identical to what 4 cell stock ran something like 6 years ago.

Go for it!

I don't think we need another class with 3 guys in it..... JMHO

They do have a point though that it will slow the cars down a signifigant amount which might help bring newcomers into the sport. That was the biggest thing down at my local track was the 17.5 four cell cars were doing 2.9 - 3.0 laps. That was too fast for some of the people that wanted to get into racing. Sure they could always move up later but it would give them a place to start.

im not sure it would be a class with 3 guys after to long. everytime theres a class that is the slowest, and meant for an up coming pan car racer, you slowly start to see others join because its good on tires and eventually the class grows to become the top class. maybe in a year or so that will be the normal class?

im not sure it would be a class with 3 guys after to long. everytime theres a class that is the slowest, and meant for an up coming pan car racer, you slowly start to see others join because its good on tires and eventually the class grows to become the top class. maybe in a year or so that will be the normal class?

I would race both 17.5 and 13.5 single cell. Sometimes racing at a faster level is a lot more stressful. This is supposed to be fun. I agree with the too many classes, and track owners have to monitor that, but you ever think that the reason we don't have a lot of new racers is because it's a major leap to get started and then when you do you get run over because you're racing against semi pro drivers?

Not to make this too long but there is a guy that has been pitting next to me that is trying to put a pan car together with no money. He has an old racetech chassis that's been super-glued together with a patched T-plate. You think that he could handle running 21.5 2 cell lipo or even 17.5 4 cell? If I can do it I'm going to give him a chassis and set him up with a single cell 17.5 car and he'll have a blast.

I thought that's what racing was supposed to be about anyway. ;)

Bill

Well said bill! I agree, that it should help bring new people into the sport.

Bill
Great points of view.
We started with 3 sk's. Now we have 7. With more cars being made. Sure love the speed. But like close racing better! I say open it up some by allowing other bodies. With more aerodynamic bodies your speed migth improve such as DIRT modifieds, Super modifieds, sk, gtp.f-1. People love to tinker in this hobby. So take away the motor ,battery wars. be creative, inovative, Throw away the cookie cutter and have fun.
Cheers Dan

Bill, I have some racetech stuff on the wall in the shop, would be more than happy to send it up to help that guy out. PM me your address and I will puy it in the mail.

Bill, I have some racetech stuff on the wall in the shop, would be more than happy to send it up to help that guy out. PM me your address and I will puy it in the mail.

Ron, sent you a PM. Thanks that's awesome.

This guy doesn't have much money and he just started pitting next to me. I haven't been racing but just a couple of years and help him out with what I have... gave a new 9650 to help out and whatever tires I could scrape up. He uses my tools and each week he comes back with a little bit more done to his car, waiting on electronics to finish it out.

Last weekend I was sitting there and some other racers came over and looked at his car while he was gone and just started talking smack about it. That kinda pissed me off. I'm going to build this dude a car and get him pointed in the right direction I don't care how much money it costs.

We miss the biggest part of this hobby with all of our bickering about lipo heating and motor tampering for extra speed so we can win what again... oh yeah our entry fee was free!

It's about people! It's about friendship and about making new ones. You want to know why racers stay or leave... it's because we run em off because they don't look like us or smell like us... or somehow there just good enough to make it in our clubs and so they stay.

For the most part I've seen good people at our track and on this forum... Ron you're one of them. That's what it's all about... :thumbsup:

Bill

WOW there is still a few out there that understand what a HOBBY is about.:thumbsup:

Bill what class is he working towards?

I think that is what chases people out of ower hobbie more than the money or speed, is the bad people that never have good things to say or will not help new comers get going.

This is what we are going to be running at our track, for a 17.5 lipo 1 cell class. we are using the COT body cut at the factory line (no trimming body adjust body post for body height ) 17.5 (novak only with novak esc) , SMC 25c 1 cell, and BSR spec tires. these things we beleive will make for a competive class and keep the cost down. I know speeds will be slower, but if the whole class is slower who cares. It will be close racing that is what it is about.

Bragging to your buddy how you kicks his butt :thumbsup:

I put that dude in my 17.5 truck that I built and he was grinning from ear to ear, it was awesome. He got better each run and with some more track time he'll be doing great. My truck turned a bit too aggressive for him so I'm going to put together a chassis as close to neutral as possible until he can get smooth lines. Ron98 thanks for the help.

Bill

Bill,
The guy driving my 17.5 truck (Chris) will be hooked if he drives it again next week. He was asking all kinds of questions and also like your guy, doing a lot of grinning.

Bob

Agree here this sounds great as would love my son(he is 8) be able to race and sounds like 17.5 - 1c be prefect and great way to get in and feel a car out. I pride the guys who help new people to the sport as that is what makes this hobby grow.

Chris

Chris, my truck was built for my 9 yr old daughter, "when" she decides to run it she wheels it as good as anybody. So yeah, by all means get him in it, they are super stable and easy to drive. I only made minmal set up changes from when I had a 21.5/ 2400 lipo in the chassis.
Laterz,
Bob

Chris, my truck was built for my 9 yr old daughter, "when" she decides to run it she wheels it as good as anybody. So yeah, by all means get him in it, they are super stable and easy to drive. I only made minmal set up changes from when I had a 21.5/ 2400 lipo in the chassis.
Laterz,
Bob

Maybe we can get a 12 an under class going. That would be fun to watch!

Bill

That would be great to see kids having fun...My son loves to drive my cars now and look forward to the days when he will race side by side. My daughter has shown intrest as well and hopes that if see he bro race she will follow as well..
A 12 and under class..that be fun to watch and see them grow as they get better..

Still talking with s/k racers about a 1cell/17.5 class at Walts, trying to get a consensus but everyone seems to be tired of unegual batts/motors and looking for an even playing field. Just got to do some testing cause if its slower most will opt out. :dude:

Still talking with s/k racers about a 1cell/17.5 class at Walts, trying to get a consensus but everyone seems to be tired of unegual batts/motors and looking for an even playing field. Just got to do some testing cause if its slower most will opt out. :dude:

1 cell 17.5 is slower but I don't think racers should opt out. It'll bring the door to door back in r/c racing.

Todays classes are too much "aim and shoot" rather than "let's race this car ahead of me" which I think will bring more people in.

Steve Salvas.

Car kit prices,foam tire prices,BL motor,esc,lipo batts prices is what keep new guys from coming in.

We have a losi late model class it has attracted several guys they like the pan cars but I hear the same thing too much money for them.

They can race for 250.00 losi late model.

Or 1000.00 pan car

Its a big jump.

Question for you guys is the 17.5 onecell lipo the same as a 17.5 4cell 4600?

Jake

17.5 4 cell is faster then the 1 cell.

It was great running side by side when my son raced. I will never forget it.
One of the best faillings you could have.

Agree Pan racing is not cheap to get into from a start..As sold my stuff a few years back(Kids) and coming back now it not as bad as years past but still when I started over 20+ years ago we bought one car, radio, charger,maybe two batts and had fun. I agree with Steve I like to race and have it close as it fun for all that way. The key to this class is to have fun..17.5 - 1c all the way

I want to clear this up!!!!!!
1 cell 13.5 is not slower then 4 cell 17.5 go look at the times and results from our last few races that had both classes.....they are just about dead nut.
In time I predict that 1 cell will be a tick faster when we get em figured out.

Just to make sure nobody misinterprets, you mean that 1 cell 13.5 is = 17.5 4 cell. Correct? 17.5 1 cell should be substantially slower.

We have tried the 1 cell lipo at our local track with the 4 cell cars and found that the lipo car is a bit quicker and last and stays consistant through out the race. I dont see how this will slow them down but it does help with cost for new comers and former racers save during an low ecom. I believe this is the way racing should go for eveyone. 17.5 motors

What about a 13.5 with a bonded rotor and a 1 cell? Has anyone tried it?

Just to make sure nobody misinterprets, you mean that 1 cell 13.5 is = 17.5 4 cell. Correct? 17.5 1 cell should be substantially slower.

Yes Matt you have it correct.

on our track we are figuring about a 10 lap difference from 13.5 to 17.5 1 cell lipo

on our track we are figuring about a 10 lap difference from 13.5 to 17.5 1 cell lipo

I ran 49 / 4:02 in 17.5 single cell at our local track and the 13.5 single cell top run was a 55/ 4.04. Our track is almost same as the snow birds with 170' runline. That will give you an idea about where the speeds are. I think for a new driver the lap times would be a bit slower due to inexperience but if you had some guys that were pretty equal in skill and setup it would be a blast. The speed is fast enough to be fun but slow enough to bang doors with out crashing.

Bill

on our track we are figuring about a 10 lap difference from 13.5 to 17.5 1 cell lipo

Neil, it would be more precise to say that it is like 30 sec slower over a 5 minute race('cause i think you guys still run 5min qualifier...right...and laptimes in the 3 sec range?....85' approx runline?

Eric

What I am hoping is that this class takes off all over. So we do not have to S---can our 17.5's. Any novak team people out there or Reps. It would be good for the industry as well. Are they coming out with a motor that represents present stock speeds stock speeds. Or is this our future. I can live with the slower speeds especially if we get some new people in. It is the right MOMENT for this to Happen. Our HOBBY needs this to grow again. LIpo and brushless motors are here to stay.
For all you out there who love to battle lap after lap with thier friends.This could be it.
Are there any open wheel fans out there who would like race in those bodies?
How about our old buddy the 1/12 scale with one cell lipo and 17.5. They should be awesome with it.
Cheers Dan

What I am hoping is that this class takes off all over. So we do not have to S---can our 17.5's. Any novak team people out there or Reps. It would be good for the industry as well. Are they coming out with a motor that represents present stock speeds stock speeds. Or is this our future. I can live with the slower speeds especially if we get some new people in. It is the right MOMENT for this to Happen. Our HOBBY needs this to grow again. LIpo and brushless motors are here to stay.
For all you out there who love to battle lap after lap with thier friends.This could be it.
Are there any open wheel fans out there who would like race in those bodies?
How about our old buddy the 1/12 scale with one cell lipo and 17.5. They should be awesome with it.
Cheers Dan


What is your question? We have no intention of discontinuing our spec motors. Once you do more testing on the one cell, maybe there needs to be some other motor wind to satisfy the need.

I believe that other Novak mid winds (15.5s?) have been tested, but probably not with one cell. We can wind any motor that has customer/event base. The testing should be done by actual users.

What is your question? We have no intention of discontinuing our spec motors. Once you do more testing on the one cell, maybe there needs to be some other motor wind to satisfy the need.

I believe that other Novak mid winds (15.5s?) have been tested, but probably not with one cell. We can wind any motor that has customer/event base. The testing should be done by actual users.

I actually think that a 15.5 with single cell would be more attractive on larger tracks. That would keep speeds at a rate closer to 13.5 speeds to ease in moving up. I think for the smaller tracks 17.5 is the way to go.

I would definitely be interested in testing a 15.5 if it was available.

Bill

Do we really need to dilute classes even more?! So many people are confused enough as it is. How about this:

Every class goes to 1 cell
17.5 Novice Stock
13.5 Stock
10.5 Pro Stock
8.5 Limited Mod
<8.5 Mod

Matt
I agree completly the sk spec should reflect is as well. Why use those
SH--TY sport packs. Even if they wanted to run the spec motors no need for battery change
Plus lipo packs are very similar not left over junks stuff

17.5 1 cell is actaualy very close to what the old 27 turn brushed motors used to run. Cant really compare lap time as our track has changed but as we know on average 17.5 is about 3 to 4 laps faster the 27 bturn brushed.
We had a guy run his 17.5 by accident LOL (Dennis) and without any tuning or anything and I am sure the rollout was way off and was only 6 laps of pace with the 13.5.s.

Do we really need to dilute classes even more?! So many people are confused enough as it is. How about this:

Every class goes to 1 cell
17.5 Novice Stock
13.5 Stock
10.5 Pro Stock
8.5 Limited Mod
<8.5 Mod

Matt,

Totally agree with you, again the only reason might be due to track sizes. If it's a large track then they may want to opt for a 15.5. For the most part I think that 17.5 / 13.5 / open motor mod is the way to go.

Biggest problem now is ego. There are going to be some who don't want to run in the beginner class because they have been racing for a while and don't want that label. Truth is their skill is still at a beginner level and if they would run there they would be able to gain skills so that they could move into a faster class if they wanted to, or just stay there and have some fun.

Bill

Bill
Like the way you think! Is it about racing head to head or going faster than everybody else. It's our form of restrictor plate racing. GEE that seems to work for NASCAR. HMMMMMMM. No more killer packs , brushes , winds, tampering. Wow what a concept!!!!!
Dan

Bill
Like the way you think! Is it about racing head to head or going faster than everybody else. It's our form of restrictor plate racing. GEE that seems to work for NASCAR. HMMMMMMM. No more killer packs , brushes , winds, tampering. Wow what a concept!!!!!
Dan

Sounds cool to me!

Maybe this would bring more people into oval racing,In my area there is little interest in oval now.

WOW there is still a few out there that understand what a HOBBY is about.:thumbsup:

AMEN! I have been saying since I have gotten back into RC that it has phased out the new guys or kids. You gotta have this car and this brushless motor system and these lipos and this charger......etc.....etc...

New people can not get into the hobby because if the can spend the kind of money it takes, they get ran over or other drivers complain to them that they are not as good of a driver. Bring back the old run for fun and every week there are new faces in the pits. I played the battery/motor/tire wars years ago and it ran me off...couldn't afford to keep up. I hope we can get rid of that mentality and try to actually grow this HOBBY.:woohoo:

is anyone who is running the single cell lipo pack having any problems with powering up the receiver? i know at my home track we are experimenting with the single cell lipo in 12th scale road course. the guys that are running them are using some kind of voltage booster that plugs into the receiver to help power it.

is anyone who is running the single cell lipo pack having any problems with powering up the receiver? i know at my home track we are experimenting with the single cell lipo in 12th scale road course. the guys that are running them are using some kind of voltage booster that plugs into the receiver to help power it.

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=239845&page=3

Steve.

Guys, I am actually in the process of building a track, here's what I want to do.

We are going to establish where people run based on their ability and they will not be allowed to move up until they are able to run a set lap time on a consistent basis. You just shouldn't let anybody race in the fastest class. Racers spend a lot of money on equipment to have it torn up by someone who's racing over their head.

We're going to also police the classes so that pro classes are pro classes and joe classes are joe classes. That will help to defeat the battery/motor wars that can really hurt the bank account.

I've got other ideas to help build the classes. I can tell you guys this, if there were more racers running 17.5 single cell at the track I race I'd love to race it. Racing is racing no matter what speed your going. It may even be harder to find more speed at the slower lap times than in the faster classes because the setup and driving is absolutely essential.

Single Cell Racing ROCKS! :woohoo:

Bill

dan you win those sk's on ebay

Sorry did not win