that in a industry so HELL BENT on "Doing WHATEVER it TAKES" to beat the other guy...

whether in the name of SELLING the 'best product'

or just the plain old desire to WIN at ALL COST

Where guys will spend countless 1,000's of dollars on specialty equipment (ie: Dynos, Matchers, Dischargers, Data Tracking systems, MORE motors, MORE batteries, NEW ESC's, etc.)

Shopping EVERY Brand of CAR, ESC, BATTERY, TIRE, BODY, CHARGER, RADIO, etc...

That there is so much drama and debate over something basically SO SIMPLE to enhance performance, that even the common racer can do it.

Is THAT the issue?

No SPECIAL Hi Tech DISCHARGE Trays
No $500.00 dollar special Charger/Discharger

It surely can't all be about SAFETY - cause the people calling for it NEVER EVER once tried to stop people from performing acts that were unsafe in the past....if it meant WINNING a RACE.

We'll use chemicals that probably cause CANCER, Damage our SKIN and is Flammable to clean our cars, sticky our tires...and cool our motors.

We spend HOURS masking/painting and detailing our little plastic body shells...spraying chemicals in the air, in a garage that is not well ventilated, truing tires with rubber dust particles going every where...

We cut and modifiy our chassis's, cause we can always find ways to improve them...

We have someone ELSE build our cars, cause they can do it better... (but NOT for free)

but...this idea of a $15.00 heating pad is going to CONFUSE people and NOT get them in the hobby....


So, RACERS, MFG's and SPECTATORS...

Tell ME how and what OTHER things need to be done to this HOBBY

(Real or Perceived) to QUIT running off potential NEW racers, and to help DRAW New Racers into our CULT!

Here's a list of ideas...

a) SLOWER CARS - ick, but is needed (Single cell is going the right direction, but it will be confusing for many)

b) SPEC CLASSES - ick, but we did it and the competition is great...but also confuses people.

c) MORE RULES - ick, if you read the rules we have now...at the NATIONAL LEVEL, they are confusing enough.

d) RACES on TV - lol, yeah good luck!

e) READY to RUN CARS - this is great to get people in and get their feet wet, but it doesn't ever seem to work with PAN cars.

f) CHEAP CARS - ie: Legends or similar. These sometimes work to get people in, but a lot of time the LOOK and FEEL just isn't appealing (Where the RTR Sprint Cars do appeal to a larger crowd.)

I will tell you for sure. If I didn't have 20 some odd years worth of stuff accumulated in this hobby, and was looking at starting into it -- PAVED OVAL would probably NOT be my type of racing choice!























But on a warm sunny day, there is nothing I don't love more than heading to the local races...and banging doors with my buddies. Our last CLUB RACE had (4) brand NEW racers, and a dozen or so NON R/C Spectators who stayed to watch almost all day. This handful of people found out about the local club racing from "TINY FREE ADS" placed in a local shoppers guide.

It doesnt bother me if I will have to buy a $15 heating pad @ walgreens, hell thats cheap in r/c racing money, It just is kinda silly everyone was pretty damn happy with charging their pack and racing and no one was heating, and no one thought they were being out batteried, to now after a big race where heating was allowed its like people are screaming from the rooftops we have to allow heating or racing will never be the same again? ........now I'm talking at a local level race, if we all heat our pack numbers improve, if we dont heat they are still damn good enough to provide great racing ........ but hey I guess the heating pad will take up the space of my old nimh box :p ........ because now supposedly no one will be able to have a fair shot at a club race if heating isint allowed sounds like what the arguement is now ............ which is baloney, we've had good close racing without heating a lipo pack........ thats the point im making, but some guys now believe they wont be have as fair a shot without doing so, which I dont necessarily agree is true.

I will do what is allowed by where I goto race, plain and simple ......... heat or no heat, lipo racing will be fine.

Just dont heat the batterys seems pretty dang simple to wrap my mind around. Is that what this is about? Do we need the nonsense? Does my iguana have to go cold while im at the track? Is it a advantage if everyone does it? Do you wipe before you poop? Do I need one more thing on my list to do between rounds? Just get rid of all the BS and focus on the car would be A OK with me.

Great Out Look Swtour I Could Not Have Said It Better My Self.... I Guess What I Dont Understand Is Why The People That Doesn't Think Its Needed Make Such A Big Deal About It.. If You Dont Think Its Needed Then Just Dont Do It... No One Is Making You Guys Do It.....

Thats assenine. your right i dont like good racing and would rather run at the back. Ill be at the track tomorrow with my heating pad boys, better go get one and put it on your list to do(or dont we dont care), Ill be over to turn marshal once I get the hen to sit on my battery

The best thing about spending that $15.00 for a heating pad is that you can use it on your sore neck when the fad of heating up lipos is replaced with something else equally silly.

The best thing about spending that $15.00 for a heating pad is that you can use it on your sore neck when the fad of heating up lipos is replaced with something else equally silly.

Ahhh yes lol. that is the only thing on my "pros" list to date

....So, RACERS, MFG's and SPECTATORS...

Tell ME how and what OTHER things need to be done to this HOBBY

(Real or Perceived) to QUIT running off potential NEW racers, and to help DRAW New Racers into our CULT!...

Novak has been trying to figure this our for over 30 years now.....

For example, we are shipping our new Havoc Spec systems for club racing at @149.00. Not a bad price, hm?

But already, I'm seeing comments that if the Havoc isn't as powerful as the GTBs, or other high end controllers, it's not good enough.

You can't win.....;) I need the smiley that shows "banging head against wall."

Fortunately this is not a problem in RC as a whole, it is only a problem, for the most part, in oval racing. You see none of these issues in any other form of RC racing.

Most other forms of racing don't come down to Hundredths of a second for position, and tenths of a second separating 1st through 12th....:thumbsup:

I have to agree with Hank 100%. I'm very thankful there are other types of RC racing too.:thumbsup:Fortunately this is not a problem in RC as a whole, it is only a problem, for the most part, in oval racing. You see none of these issues in any other form of RC racing.

Most other forms of racing don't come down to Hundredths of a second for position, and tenths of a second separating 1st through 12th....:thumbsup:

Yeah, they count more on car setup and driving then all out speed ;)

Duck and run........

Not if most everybodies car is just about equal.....
Taking first hand experience....

Glad theres other hobbies with less cry babies...

I never Run, I just fire off twice as many back at you....

http://www.snapoffracing.com/forums/images/smilies/banghead.gif LOL

NovakTwo

I've been trying to get my LHS to put those in stock...and they cry "We can't sell em for that"

They are going to be GREAT (if they aren't already) but you are right...

Some of us keep trying, year in and year out! So much of it is "Been there..done that" but the technology now is SO cool, and so much more affordable than 25 years ago...

Something else I find totally comical...

NEW GUYS! I had (4) BRAND NEW to OVAL guys at our last club race, but I also had 2-3 guys who have raced a couple of our OVAL RACES so far.

THEIR MINDS are dead set on SPEED! 100% FULL OUT wanna go 100MPH Speed.

They ran in our OVAL TOURING Class (which is OPEN) and tried laying the power down with a 2.5 motor...and like a PINBALL spent the day bouncing off the walls, and breaking parts (AND the track walls) But, they are having FUN! In my efforts to SLOW them down, and get them to race each other...they don't wanna, they just want SPEED.

(The 21.5/LIPO Pan Car class out ran them by 11 laps)

I figure it'll take 5-6 more races and THEY will want to 'RACE' instead of continue to DESTROY stuff.... then we'll move them to a pan car!

Fortunately this is not a problem in RC as a whole, it is only a problem, for the most part, in oval racing. You see none of these issues in any other form of RC racing.


LOL, you are right...they have their own totally different issues. (At least On-Road)

I haven't seen anything but NITRO Off-Road for quite some time...and those guys are just CRAZY out here with the $$$'s they spend on HopUps and stuff - WILD!

Our CLUB racing is so laid back (too laid back for a few of our racers) but we have ZERO drama with equipment/products. A little with drivers once in a while, but even that is almost non existant. This is both On-Road and OVAL...

We've converted a couple of our On-Road guys (well, not really converted, but they at least have oval cars and RACE IT with us) and when we introduced the V T/A class, we got a couple of LEFT TURN only guys playing on the On-Road track.

Maybe qualifying but never at the finish.Most other forms of racing don't come down to Hundredths of a second for position, and tenths of a second separating 1st through 12th....:thumbsup:

-- 1/12th 13.5 - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name
1 2 59 4:03.10 Phil Marabella PA
2 3 59 4:03.30 Joel Winnicki NY

-- LiPo 17.5 - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name
1 1 64 4:01.96 Pete D'Agnolo NY
2 2 64 4:02.05 Adam Liehr OH

-- 4cell 13.5 - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name
1 1 59 4:01.15 Billy Kimpton NC
2 2 59 4:02.22 Jake D Snake
3 4 59 4:03.08 Phil Marabella PA

-- Pro Modified - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name
1 2 69 4:02.10 Frank Ulbrik MI
2 3 69 4:03.33 Andy McClellan TN

Nah, that's not close...

That's only some of the A-mains. There were a bunch more going into the other lower mains.

Chuck

He said 1st thru 12th... not 1st, 2nd & maybe 3rd... :thumbsup:Nah, that's not close...

That's only some of the A-mains. There were a bunch more going into the other lower mains.

Chuck

He said 1st thru 12th... not 1st, 2nd & maybe 3rd... :thumbsup:
LOL. No way I can win this argument being that they only ran 10 cars in each main. LOL!

Chuck

Yep, that was my thinking too but I knew even with 10 cars, the finish is never that close first to last. :thumbsup:LOL. No way I can win this argument being that they only ran 10 cars in each main. LOL!

Chuck

Yep, that was my thinking too but I knew even with 10 cars, the finish is never that close first to last. :thumbsup:

Yeah...haha, pretty funny right????

Car Position Name Laps Time
John Zubak 58 4:00.38
Mark Recio 58 4:00.59
Jeff Helms 58 4:00.78
Josh Cyrul 58 4:00.95
Dustin Malicoat 58 4:01.46
Greg Honeycutt 58 4:01.90
Corey Heft 58 4:02.36
Mike Russell 58 4:02.84
Michael Rutherford 58 4:03.35
Sonny Brown 58 4:03.40


Car Position Name Laps Time
Joe McMahon 50 4:00.73
Allen Stephens 50 4:00.74
Mitchell Jock 50 4:00.77
Ronald Housman 50 4:00.93
Russell Morris 50 4:01.18
Mike Haney 50 4:01.67
Artie Popplewell 50 4:01.82
Tony Staples 50 4:01.90
Jonathan Medlin 50 4:02.42
Terry Williams 50 4:02.54


Car Position Name Laps Time
John Bath 52 4:04.81
Peter Coll 52 4:05.38
Todd Putnam 51 4:00.15
Tommy Peters 51 4:00.22
Dusty Dean 51 4:00.39
Jeremy Dobb 51 4:00.43
Walter Stuber 51 4:00.43
Steven Downs 51 4:00.48
Justin Belfiore 51 4:00.58
Dave Puliafico 51 4:00.83

Car Position Name Laps Time
Adam Liehr 58 4:00.56
Sean Cochran 58 4:01.21
Michael Valentine 58 4:01.53
Caleb Mullins 58 4:02.04
Troy Meridith 58 4:02.24
Gary Warren 58 4:02.40
Steve Salvas 58 4:02.73
Daryl Silva 58 4:02.82
Tom Pedano 58 4:03.04
4cell Expert19 BUMP 58 4:03.30

Can't worry about the Main/Finish if you don't qualify....
Alittle different than 1/4 scale my friend.....:thumbsup:

So sorry, should've put "In Qualifying" at the end of that other Statement....

Post a link to the race please.

Those were Qualifying runs from '07.....
I can do one better from This year.....
The arrows are the Fastest individual Qualifying laps for each person......

Results based on rounds 1 - 4
----- LiPo 21.5 -----
qual name id lap/time...
1 Greg Honeycutt 264 | 59/4:02.21 | 60/4:01.85 | >60/4:00.64
| 60/4:02.43
2 Caleb Mullins 49 | 60/4:03.22 | >60/4:02.11 | 60/4:02.13
| 59/4:00.26
3 Alan Behler 4 | 58/4:01.00 | >60/4:02.29 | 59/4:00.92
| 60/4:04.07
4 Eric Anderson 281 | 59/4:00.10 | >60/4:03.07 | 59/4:00.11
| 59/4:00.99
5 Arnie Fie 9 | 58/4:01.14 | >60/4:03.50 | 60/4:03.75
| 60/4:03.56
6 Bud Denning 46 | 5/0:21.05 | >60/4:03.65 | 58/4:01.98
| 59/4:02.92
7 Gary Warren 101 | 58/4:00.01 | 8/0:35.84 | >60/4:03.91
| 59/4:03.46
8 Steve Miller 274 | >60/4:04.06 | 59/4:00.64 | 59/4:03.41
| 59/4:00.66
9 Mike Bush 182 | 58/4:01.59 | >59/4:00.25 | 51/3:30.74
| 59/4:00.54
10 BUMP 21.5 LIPO 291 | --- DNS --- | --- DNS --- | --- DNS ---
| >59/4:00.36
11 Brian Deel 31 | 59/4:03.62 | >59/4:00.38 | 59/4:01.63
| 57/4:00.90
12 Brian Rippons 35 | 10/0:42.58 | >59/4:00.53 | 58/4:00.89
| 58/4:01.32
13 Eric Thomas 95 | 57/4:00.36 | >59/4:00.73 | 31/2:05.80
| 16/1:05.34
14 Tom Pedano 250 | 58/4:01.07 | >59/4:00.91 | 58/4:03.47
| 58/4:03.20
15 Dusty Kemp 87 | 58/4:01.32 | 26/2:05.73 | >59/4:00.92
| 58/4:00.23
16 Ritchie McDonald 268 | 58/4:02.03 | >59/4:00.98 | 59/4:02.79
| 58/4:01.67
17 Jeff Helms 124 | 58/4:02.34 | >59/4:01.14 | 59/4:01.19
| 59/4:02.37
18 George Verbonitz 105 | 58/4:00.94 | 59/4:02.34 | 59/4:02.60
| >59/4:01.50
19 George Ryals 104 | 50/4:02.86 | 58/4:00.95 | >59/4:01.54
| 57/4:00.24
20 Tom Hargrave 245 | 58/4:01.01 | 58/4:00.00 | >59/4:01.56
| 58/4:00.08
21 Michael Rutherford 175 | 9/2:14.14 | >59/4:01.59 | 58/4:02.37
| 58/4:02.53
22 Walter Stuber 262 | 58/4:00.45 | >59/4:01.88 | 59/4:03.15
| 58/4:01.65
23 Barry Hill 16 | 45/3:11.63 | 57/4:01.79 | 58/4:00.70
| >59/4:01.93
24 Laurie Willis Jr 153 | 58/4:04.18 | 58/4:01.59 | >59/4:02.00
| 57/4:03.68
25 Dusty Dean 86 | >59/4:02.19 | 59/4:03.30 | 58/4:00.59
| --- DNS ---
26 Bruce Triplett 41 | 58/4:00.84 | 58/4:00.29 | >59/4:02.22
| 58/4:01.01
27 Johnny Broyles 140 | 58/4:02.28 | 59/4:03.85 | 57/4:04.03
| >59/4:02.56
28 Jonathan McMinn 143 | 59/4:03.88 | 59/4:03.32 | >59/4:03.10
| 58/4:00.29
29 Chuck Winters 63 | 57/4:02.68 | >59/4:03.28 | 57/4:00.12
| 58/4:04.27
30 James Van Horn 117 | 58/4:03.05 | 58/4:02.77 | 58/4:03.29
| >59/4:03.33
31 Steven Braman 238 | 57/4:00.35 | 58/4:01.55 | >59/4:03.54
| 58/4:02.51
32 Chad Humble 50 | 58/4:02.70 | 58/4:01.53 | >59/4:03.55
| 59/4:03.69
33 Dana Silva 69 | 58/4:03.85 | 58/4:02.61 | >59/4:03.68
| 58/4:03.65
34 Jorge Moreira 271 | 57/4:03.83 | >59/4:03.79 | 57/4:03.99
| 57/4:00.25

Can't worry about the Main/Finish if you don't qualify.... This holds true with any racing.
Alittle different than 1/4 scale my friend.....:thumbsup: Sure is.

So sorry, should've put "In Qualifying" at the end of that other Statement.... I understand now :thumbsup:


Can't worry about the Main/Finish if you don't qualify.... Alittle different than 1/4 scale my friend.....:thumbsup:

So sorry, should've put "In Qualifying" at the end of that other Statement....

Alot of that is probably, who "Nicked the ice on 1 lap, who scuffed the wall on 1 lap, who went a half a car wide on 1 lap.....etc...

Crazy isn't it???....

You could say if your into it, you gotta sqeeze everything out...lol

Well, it's not .001's of seperation..but for a 820 ft. track and a 5 minute race, running speeds of 55 MILES PER HOUR... This was a CLOSE finish

2008 **ALLSTAR SHOOTOUT** at the Encino Velodrome...
NOTE: 3 cars broke either on the first lap, or the 1st segment (The Shootout is a 2 segment race)


**ALLSTAR SHOOTOUT** Finale

Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 1 30 5:01.54 Larry Ruby 2 55.62
2 2 30 5:01.84 Eric Brust 18 55.57
3 3 30 5:04.04 Erik Steenhoven 24 55.17
4 20 30 5:05.12 Gary Hamilton 21 54.97
5 13 30 5:08.27 Scot Petitclerc 3 54.41
6 6 30 5:09.16 Arnold Brittain 23 54.25
7 10 30 5:09.55 Dave Barber 22 54.18
8 4 30 5:10.74 Brett Patti 20 53.98
9 8 29 5:01.92 Jason Hastings 17 53.70
10 19 29 5:11.36 Bryan Myers 1 52.07
11 16 28 5:03.86 Art Hernandez 5 51.52
12 14 27 5:03.93 Kenji Masuda 9 49.67
13 7 27 5:05.62 Brian Bond 19 49.39
14 5 26 4:31.02 Richard Tompkins 4 53.63
15 12 22 3:54.56 Joe Blackburn 10 52.44
16 18 19 3:40.61 Tom Kendall 6 48.15
17 15 8 1:55.81 Toru Shidara 12 38.62
-- 9 --- DNS --- Mike Plant 29
-- 17 --- DNS --- Brad Muther 26
-- 11 --- DNS --- Nic Case 25


8.066 ft. per .1 second = 55 mph

Joe, I didn't mean to hi-jack your thread :) But getting back to your orignal post... it's not just those new guys coming in that are being turned off, it's guys who have been racing many years.

And I'll be honest, it scares me to hear the wild stories of lipo fires!! Racers talking about putting their batts in ammo boxes to prevent burning down their homes...what the heck...what's next... racers needing a bomb sqaud to diffuse their ECS between rounds?

Did Every One Forget About The last Few Sets Of The 4200 Nimh Batteries That Where Popping Like Gun Shells.. But I Guess That Was Just No Big Deal Right..... Atleast With Lipos You Get Plenty Of Warning Before They Go Up The Same Cant Be Said For Nimh Gun Shells

Joe, I didn't mean to hi-jack your thread But getting back to your orignal post... it's not just those new guys coming in that are being turned off, it's guys who have been racing many years.

And I'll be honest, it scares me to hear the wild stories of lipo fires!! Racers talking about putting their batts in ammo boxes to prevent burning down their homes...what the heck...what's next... racers needing a bomb sqaud to diffuse their ECS between rounds?


Tim,

DON'T BE SCARED - a little over a year ago there were many faces here on H/T that tried to scare people...a lot of those same people are NOW running lipo and LOVING IT!

CHANGE scares some people

NOT Having a DOG in the hunt (Product wise) cause some to try to KEEP people away too. But, once they get in...it's OK for everybody to get on board then!

GOTTA Go - the BUD SHOOTOUT is starting!!

OK...caution/commercial

Anyway...TIM, how many LIPO FIRES have you been told about in the last year or so?

I know ROSS's car at the BIRDS, but it doesn't sound like a LIPO issue (DEAD SHORT A fully charged 6 cell NiMh or NiCad or a 6 volt Lead Acid battery and see what happens.)

WE had lipo failures. Generally they QUIT putting out juice (broken terminal inside at one of the cells, normally due to HARD impact) We also had some charging issues due to chargers being set in the wrong MODE. (The problem created here is LIPOs DON'T PEAK - so in PEAK MODE they will NEVER stop charging....)

We had several NiMh's go BANG/POP! One of those started a FIRE in the bed of one of my buddies truck, in his battery case about 2 hours after the end of the days race. (It was a case with FOAM to separate the packs, and no batteries shorted against each other)

....race is back on....gotta go

Jr to the lead!!Tim,

GOTTA Go - the BUD SHOOTOUT is starting!!

I run brushless and lipo in everything that I can. I have seen several NIMH packs explode but no Lipos. I did see one guy swell his lipo but he set his charger for NICAD and was overcharging very badly. The lipo swelled, he shut off charger, took lipo outside and nothing else happened.

Anything electronic is dangerous given the right circumstances or a careless operator.

How many remember when Texas Instruments calculators were blowing up, lap top batts, cell phones shorted in a pocket with a pen?

Let's be careful out there. Why make it worse with silly stuff.

Hey before we getto far off with this thread I would use the heat for me here in michagin before I heat my batterys. we need to get people in are hobbie first then we can scare them to death latter ( with a big lipo fire)

crazy thinking sbrady....it may get you committed and a fine white jacket..

how dare you think about new racers coming into our lil hobby.

















muahhahahahhah

Sorry what was I thinking they may even be faster than me too that would move me farther down the main list

and added racers only slows down the race program..race promoters hate alot of entries!

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