Saw a promo for a new Josh Wheedon series on FOX. I thought he had sworn off FOX after what they did to Firefly.


Maybe Mr. Green speaks with a loud voice.

Saw a promo for a new Josh Wheedon series on FOX. I thought he had sworn off FOX after what they did to Firefly.


Maybe Mr. Green speaks with a loud voice.He wanted to work with the actress, the way I understand it, and that mandated going with Fox -- or so I heard.

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I'd like to work with Eliza too! :D

Being on Fox probably means it won't get a second season, because that's just the way Fox is with genre shows that aren't The X-Files. They've already forced Whedon to scrap his pilot because they didn't understand it, and made him do a complete rewrite/reshoot. Deja Vu from Firefly all over again.

They've already forced Whedon to scrap his pilot because they didn't understand it.I thought I read remarks from him that indicated it was his decision to do that, but I'm not 100 percent certain on that.

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I'd like to work with Eliza too! :D

Being on Fox probably means it won't get a second season, because that's just the way Fox is with genre shows that aren't The X-Files. They've already forced Whedon to scrap his pilot because they didn't understand it, and made him do a complete rewrite/reshoot. Deja Vu from Firefly all over again.

I don't know. I'm holding out hope after they gave Terminator a second season.
And Dollhouse will be paired up with Terminator, though they are in the Friday night death slot.
FOX says they understand the challenges of that night better now and don't have the expectations they used to.

Also, from the interviews I have read, Joss realized the suits were right about needing to re-do the pilot. It apparently was way too complex, involved and cerbrial to appeal to many viewers right off the bat.
As much as I love Joss's work, I can see where he does need to be reined in on occasion.
He's got all this stuff so clear and so fully formed in his head that he forgets that he needs to explain things to other people. He just kind of thinks they already know it.

Oh, and to the original poster.
It's Joss, not Josh.

I think the way it went is that Joss is network-whipped. They say "change this, so we can feel we've had input and are useful" and he says "Ooooh, all riiiight" without even trying to stand up for his personal concept.

It will be cancelled. When I saw Firefly was coming, and it looked SO GOOD, I knew it was DOOMED!

Dollhouse and Terminator will have a tough few weeks, waiting out the already established science fiction on another network to end. I'll record the two Fox shows and check it out, but nothing comes between me and my BSG. Or my Clone Wars for that matter.

Well, if I am not mistaken they will both be on before BSG.
So they will actually fit nicely into my schedule as Sci-Fi has nothing on other than BSG that I want to watch right now.
I'd watch Moonlight reruns but then I would just get mad the CBS canceled it last season.

Maybe Mr. Green speaks with a loud voice.
Not to be insulting, but - Duh! I'm sure it would likely have been in large quantities, as well. I mean, who doesn't want to live comfortably...? ;)

BTW, his first name is "Joss," not "Josh."


Well, actually, I think his birth name was indeed Josh, but he changed it. "Joss" is supposedly Chinese for "Luck." Anyhoo, that's his official name now.

Actually his birth name is Joseph, and Joss is a contraction for it in some areas.

I dunno, I loved Firefly and Serenity, but the whole "hot-babe-who-kicks-butt" thing is getting real tired imho. The previews didn't look that promising, as opposed to Firefly, which I knew I was going to watch after seeing Mal & Jayne's "I hear you loud and clear"-"That's because I'm standing right here" exchange in the Firefly promos.

I also haven't been real impressed with the first season of Terminator:SCC. In fact, I think it's pretty much sucked big time.

Actually his birth name is Joseph, and Joss is a contraction for it in some areas.

Ah! Okay. I heard it the other way, but either way, it ain't Josh. ;)

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlowe;2697764]I dunno, I loved Firefly and Serenity, but the whole "hot-babe-who-kicks-butt" thing is getting real tired imho.

Really? Let's you away from the Nielson box then! Holy crap!

More babes in black please!:woohoo:

So, did anyone see it??

BTW, it's Whedon not Wheedon. Yeah, the Josh/Joss part has been covered.:p

I liked it, but have concerns about the overall concept. Why so much effort for the final product? I guess the main benefit is the ability to program a single person with the experiences of multiple people, so they are actually more talented than all of them. But Echo seemed to exhibit the personality traits of a single individual. She even rattled of her years of experience. Does a single personality's traits take over to give them a sense of being an individual? And where do they get these recruits? Why would anyone do this willingly?

Loved seeing Tahmoh (BSG's Helo) Penikett in the Mr. McGee role. Hope the series survives for his sake. I always liked Helo. Even when he was being self-righteous. :p

And where do they get these recruits? Why would anyone do this willingly?


The first few moments, the interview between Eliza's character and the woman who runs the Dollhouse, made it clear Echo is serving some kind of sentence. It was (IIRC) volunteer for Dollhouse, or serve time.

So, did anyone see it??

BTW, it's Whedon not Wheedon............

It depends on whether you say his name on the downward side of a roller coaster.:tongue:

So, did anyone see it??

I guess the main benefit is the ability to program a single person with the experiences of multiple people, so they are actually more talented than all of them. But Echo seemed to exhibit the personality traits of a single individual. She even rattled of her years of experience. Does a single personality's traits take over to give them a sense of being an individual?



No doubt a fuller explanation will be forthcoming as it unfolds. At a guess though. I'd say that giving the blanks (what was terms used?) the full peronality and memories of an individual serves two purposes: first, it keeps the "doll" from being distracted by questions (Why do I know this? Who am I? Why don't I remember breakfast?); second, it cements the illusion for the client who wants a "real" person.

The blanks can only be imprinted with one template at a time, and each gets wiped afterwards, so they'e not going to be experts in all fields. For instance, you don't have to be an expert at anything to be a rich party girl. More than one template, and you get instant multiple personality disorder!

Yes, but wasn't there a scene where the "programmer" was stating the number of experts and experience he had put into her to arrive at the final composite to handle the hostage situation? I took that to mean they could combine experience from multiple personalities into a single upload so those traits could all work together. Kind of like building a mental Frankenstein monster. A piece from here and a piece from there...

Could be. Show was paced swiftly enough I could easily have missed that. Not sure how that would work...sounds like vast potential for a major catastrophe done that way, if the psyche comes with the expertise.

I'd say that giving the blanks (what was terms used?)I think they called them "actives," IIRC.
wasn't there a scene where the "programmer" was stating the number of experts and experience he had put into her to arrive at the final composite to handle the hostage situation? I took that to mean they could combine experience from multiple personalities into a single uploadYep.

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