View Full Version : GTO250 WIP Update


ClearHooter
01-20-2009, 02:19 PM
Anytime you get into making an opener your going to run into problems that have to be overcome. Heck! It starts out as a problem and then divides itself exponentionally!

HWs made the interior as a bucket. The door panels had to be cut away. They were Krazy Glued to the inside of the opening door panel. Side windows may glued to the tops of these. The hinges, still under design, but are made from small dia Al tube and...Yep! Guitar string. It bends easy and retains shape. And multipul dia's. The shape is what is presently under development. Getting the proper bend for the door hinge has eluded me so far. Just haven't got the right angle of the dangle to get it to open and reseat properly.

Another problem is self inflicted. By opening the side vents up, I've just about eliminated any metal to attach a hinge to. I'm hoping to be able to take some pipe screen and reline the inner fender at the critical point to have something that I can attach the hinge pivot to. The screen will look good behind the vents. Just keeping my fingers crossed on that one. The guitar string design worked well on the hood. I haven't got to working on the rear deck lid. That'll be a whole 'nother bucket of worms.

Some research showed me that the 250 did have roll up windows. So I could make the windows lowered. Don't want to though. I've got the side glass so it will clear the inner door wells. This determination will be about the last thing I do as it'll require glue it to the upper door panel after everything is set and painted.

Note ist pic: I showed the original glass and interior so you can see how much of the locating pins and slotting has been removed from the interior and windows.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250PartsComp.jpg

The panels fit back together pretty tight.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250BareMetPanelClose.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250BareMetPanelClosedPas.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250WPnlOPBareMet.jpg

QUESTION: How do I reduce the size of the picture displayed?

AQUA XK8
01-20-2009, 03:10 PM
WOW! That's a lot of detailed work. Many, many hours invested in that piece I bet. Very nice so far. My eyes would give out on me if I tried that.

ClearHooter
01-20-2009, 03:57 PM
I got magnifiers.

Don't count the time but I'd figure about 8 to now. 9.5 if you want to count the WIP updates. :D

harristotle
01-20-2009, 05:56 PM
QUESTION: How do I reduce the size of the picture displayed?

One way to do that is by changing the size of the picture when you upload it to your photobucket. I beliebe I use large for all my pics, but im not positive.

It is looking awesome, I love to see how cars as simple as a hw can be made in detailed works of art with everything opening up and detailed engines and interiors. I'm anxious to see the finished product!!! :thumbsup:

sheldon
01-21-2009, 04:10 PM
Why didn't you use the HW 2005 Ferrari set where the 250 GTO was superb in detail, already had an engine, and all you had to do was to open up the trunk and door panels?

In any case, you appear to have done a nice job with this simpler casting....

ClearHooter
01-21-2009, 06:11 PM
Why didn't you use the HW 2005 Ferrari set where the 250 GTO was superb in detail, already had an engine, and all you had to do was to open up the trunk and door panels?

In any case, you appear to have done a nice job with this simpler casting....

:confused: ......Hey Sheldon! How many of those baby's ya got???? Still ain't crazy about the engine that's in this one. Actually never saw a 2005 HW's 250 GTO. Still ain't seen but 4, '09 GTO's on the pegs in my area....And I bought them all. But that's why.

sschevyman1
01-21-2009, 10:47 PM
Looking very good!!!

harristotle
01-21-2009, 10:59 PM
:confused: ......Hey Sheldon! How many of those baby's ya got???? Still ain't crazy about the engine that's in this one. Actually never saw a 2005 HW's 250 GTO. Still ain't seen but 4, '09 GTO's on the pegs in my area....And I bought them all. But that's why.

I believe this is what he is talking about,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hot-Wheels-Ferrari-250-GTO-1962-Enzo-Ferrari-2-Pc-Set_W0QQitemZ360103576256QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDiecas t_Vehicles?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

ClearHooter
01-22-2009, 12:07 AM
Whoa! I'd of bought that if I'd that if I'd seen it. But I doubt I'd of cut it up.

So as a follow up; it takes at least two cars to make one. At the "buy it now" price that would have been $20.00 for one. If you can't say but one thing about me its "I'm cheap!" If I had one though, I could make a casting of the engine and still not destroy the original. Just a thought.

sheldon
01-22-2009, 07:13 AM
I think the 2005 set of the 250 GTO is fairly common and easy to get.

If you could purchase three of them - one original to keep, and two to destroy in order to create one set with all opening panels would have been the ideal way to go.... you would have been into them for about $60... but considering your time and effort, that would have been a modest investment.

The detail on this 2005 set is *leaps and bounds* superior to the detail of the kiddie car in almost every respect.

ClearHooter
01-22-2009, 07:54 PM
Man! Ive had cars I could drive that didn't cost me $60.

Are the '05 and '09 250's the exact size? If so I really wouldn't mind getting one kit, taking the 250 apart, making a mold of the engine then cast it in pewter or lead. Then I could put the kit car back together.

Just can't see sixty bucks in a HW's car. Were my ol lady to find out I spent $60. on a HW's car I believe she'd rightfully be justified in shooting me or at least be so PO'ed for a month I'd wish she'd shoot me.

Also it takes some of the challenge out of the build. Using the Dremel, I had about 30 mins, in getting the hood cut out and fitted in. The hood hinge evidently took me three years to figure out and about 20 mins to build and attach. That was the easy part. I haven't got around to doing the rear deck. And I haven't gone any further in shaping the hinge. Got a gig coming up this week end and we're working in a new lead guitar player.......Again. That's been taking up much time. Also learned Mark Knaufler's (sp?) "Don't Crash the Ambulance" this week. Very cool tune. Anyway after this weekend I eagerly anticipate getting back to it. Don't like letting something linger too long. It'll get side tracked.

Are the wheels on the '05 spoked and rubber tyres? What kind of detail are you refering. Honestly I've looked at quite a few photos of the 250 since I started this project and its a pretty darn good representation that allows me to use about everything I've learned since I started doing this.

Right now I got about $4.00 in this one.

gunn
01-22-2009, 09:38 PM
great job on it. now on your doors ...go to hotworld customs i have an easy how to there for you. we were in chat to nite and i will be doing a how to on trunks soon. you did great on the hood. :thumbsup:

sheldon
01-22-2009, 11:57 PM
great job on it. now on your doors ...go to hotworld customs i have an easy how to there for you. we were in chat to nite and i will be doing a how to on trunks soon. you did great on the hood. :thumbsup:

Where is the web site yo reference? Can you supply a link?

sheldon
01-23-2009, 12:03 AM
Man! Ive had cars I could drive that didn't cost me $60.

$60 buys you two sets!

One in original form, and another all open set. Of course, that is only if you also want to include the Enzo. You could also focus on buying only the 250 and spend around $30 to get an original plus two to make a single all open car.

Are the '05 and '09 250's the exact size? If so I really wouldn't mind getting one kit, taking the 250 apart, making a mold of the engine then cast it in pewter or lead. Then I could put the kit car back together.

Pretty much.


Also it takes some of the challenge out of the build. Using the Dremel, I had about 30 mins, in getting the hood cut out and fitted in.

You would be plenty challenged with a better detailed base car to work with....the end result would be that much better since the other details are superb.


Are the wheels on the '05 spoked and rubber tyres?


Of course course they are spoked and the tire is made of rubber...


What kind of detail are you refering. Honestly I've looked at quite a few photos of the 250 since I started this project and its a pretty darn good representation that allows me to use about everything I've learned since I started doing this.

Jeweled headlights, detailed interior, undercarriage, as well as better proportions.

You may also consider getting a Kyosho version. Though is has NO opening panels like th HW version, it also has beautiful lines and is loaded with intricate details.

ClearHooter
01-23-2009, 12:14 AM
Thanks Gunn. I'll follow that. I'm on the right track just haven't got it bent right ...yet.

bob8748
01-23-2009, 12:48 AM
Where is the web site yo reference? Can you supply a link?

Here ya go, home page.
http://www.hotworldcustoms.com/

bob8748
01-23-2009, 12:53 AM
I'm really enjoying following this build. Looking great! I like the way you cut the doors around the A pillar.

ClearHooter
01-23-2009, 02:32 AM
Only $30.00 for a HW. Yeah that makes it better. Remember...I'm cheap. I have paid $30 for a 1/43 car. But I needed it for a model to do some art work. I've even got a couple of oil can cars I paid about $17 I cringed when I bought those but they were too cool not to have. I've got quite a few 1/64 cars I made 'cause I wouldn't cough up the jack to buy 'em.

When I'm done with this one the head lamps will be jeweled and glazed. All of the vent work is opened that is supposed to be opened. I've got wire wheels with rubber tires as well as some slotted knock-off alloys for a competition version should I decide to go that way. The interior will be detailed; but in reality the 250's interior is very austere. Most Italian interiors of that era and before were rather plane. That was one thing that struck me about the Alfa Spyder. Painted metal showed in many places. I've already opened up the stearing wheel. Like I say really the only thing I could see I need out of the 05 is a motor. I'd have to see the difference for the price before I'd jump that high.

sheldon
01-23-2009, 05:46 AM
Only $30.00 for a HW. Yeah that makes it better. Remember...I'm cheap. I have paid $30 for a 1/43 car. But I needed it for a model to do some art work. I've even got a couple of oil can cars I paid about $17 I cringed when I bought those but they were too cool not to have. I've got quite a few 1/64 cars I made 'cause I wouldn't cough up the jack to buy 'em.

How about I make you a deal... I will buy the cars for you, as long as you make an extra custom for me! In other words, I will buy all of the components necessary for you to make 2 customs... and I will pay you some money on top of it - in advance!

Sound like a deal? If so, we can go further.

ClearHooter
01-23-2009, 08:36 AM
How about I make you a deal... I will buy the cars for you, as long as you make an extra custom for me! In other words, I will buy all of the components necessary for you to make 2 customs... and I will pay you some money on top of it - in advance!

Sound like a deal? If so, we can go further.

Get what you need for yours, I'll make an engine out of that for the 09 of mine then I'll put you one together out of what you get..........But lets see how this one turns out first. No need to go hacking up a 30.00 car and it come out inferior due to my workmanship.

ClearHooter
01-28-2009, 06:37 PM
I've got everything to where it'll fit and close up and reopen. The dash had to be trimed back to near nothing to get it to back in. I'm still trying to get the pipe screen to hinge the the doors. Seems all our tobacco shops have closed down around here.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250FrtRrHinge.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250RrDeckOp.jpg

The J&B will be cleaned up in the final assembly and detailing.

jlfphoto
01-30-2009, 10:48 AM
This is gonna be one detailed out MOFO...nice update. :thumbsup:

Jerry

magoo_lc1
02-01-2009, 12:42 AM
All ready commented and you know how i feel about the old race cars...great work

ClearHooter
02-03-2009, 12:03 AM
FINALLY!!!! After, trimming, cutting, glueing, J&B'ing, twisting, pushing, re-J&B'ing, dropping, finding, dropping, remaking, repeating all of the above at least once more; I got all the panels to open and close and reopen and reclose and stay on.

The dash board had to be trimmed down on both sides to clear the upper door hinges. This is probably the last time anyone will really see the dash and steering wheel. Its dark in there.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250Interior.jpg

To give the hinge pivots something to adhere to pipe screen was placed on behind the side vents. Also looks good from the outside.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250VentScreen.jpg

Everything fits and works. Its a tight squeeze around the dash, window and hinges.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250PnlOpPrim.jpg

Closes up pretty tight.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250DrSdTpPnlClo.jpg

We get some warmer weather its PAINT TIME!

plankowner
02-03-2009, 09:59 PM
Awesome awesome work! Thanks for the updates!

69Stang
02-03-2009, 11:49 PM
Thank you so much for posting the "in progress" photos. That has made a really great project even more fun to watch it come along!

ClearHooter
02-04-2009, 01:38 AM
Hopefully it does some good and may inspire others to take a whack at it. This has been a learning process for me as well. Never made door hinges of this nature. The thing I like about the guitar strings is they can flex; but still retain the shape they are fashioned to. What has been the most frustrating thing is getting the door and door hinges to clear the windshield, dash, seats and floorboard. There's a lot of stuff in there to keep the doors from working. You gotta see one problem at a time and eliminate it. Gunn's tutorial helped much. Ya know you got it when you can get it all together, open and close the panels 10 or 15 times and nothing falls off. Very satisfying. Now if I can get some paint on it and get it right the first time. This isn't something I want to have to restrip.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250FrtPasPnlOpPrim.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee168/clearhooter/GTO250DrFrtSdPnalCloPrim.jpg

ClearHooter
02-04-2009, 08:28 AM
I hope y'all don't mind me keeping all this in the same thread. Its alot easier to reference.

Lummox
02-04-2009, 12:25 PM
Nice work CH !
I really like it in bare metal with little bits of red showing.
It looks like a real one getting restored with its bare aluminium showing :thumbsup:

- D. Zaster -

Midnightrun
02-07-2009, 02:48 PM
thats pretty sick!!! :cool:

:thumbsup:---Midnightrun---:wave: