Since the subject came up in the M2 Muscle release 2 post I thought I post several I thought were worthy of being considered
1969 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler Cale Yarborough Special 428 CJ
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/montegogt/cale.jpg
1969 Mercury Cyclone 428 CJ
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/montegogt/1969MercuryCyclone.jpg
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator in Grabber Blue for Atencio
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/montegogt/ce.jpg
1969 Ford torino Cobra Sportsroof 428CJ
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/montegogt/tc.jpg
1972 Mercury Montego GT 351 CJ
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/PearsonFan/DSC0017511.jpg

That's what I like to see - more people interested in Mercurys!!

Those would be sweet! Let's see em M2!!

It would really be cool if they did a Gran Torino just like the one in the new Clint Eastwood movie.

Frank Hamilton

Those all NEED to be done!

- Dave D. Praved -

I agree. Those would all be great models to see produced. Very nice pics. Thanks... :thumbsup:

1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator in Grabber Blue for Atencio


Woo-hoo !!!
They could use your Montego as a sample for that year. In all my Ford/Mercury travels I can not remember ever seeing an actual car like yours.

way too many fords there, need some more mopars

I agree with all those choices , they could do the Cyclone Spoiler II with the Talladega style front end also .
We also need 66 / 67 Fairlanes done correctly , unlike many of JLs & even GMP's 1/18 Fairlanes are wrong ...
Would like 66 - 79 Ranchero XL / GT models too .. 66 / 67 Cyclone .
The Ford camp is poorly represented in diecast - except Mustangs ..

:thumbsup:I agree with all of the above. Especially the Cyclones (and Montegos) and Torinos of that era. The seam just right for M2. Neat cars, under-represented in small scale.

I like all of the above choices esp the Torino and the Montego. Let's add a few more to the Muscle Car list:

1969 Mecury Marauder
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1969-mercury-marauder-x-100-1.jpg
1970 Plymouth Fury 440 GT
http://www.sixpackfuryregistry.com/images////blackgt.jpg
1970 Chevelle/Malibu Wagon
http://www.chevelles.com/wagons/70-husak-b.jpg

Realize HWs will release the Chevelle wagon, but M2 can do so much more with that car.

Woo-hoo !!!
They could use your Montego as a sample for that year. In all my Ford/Mercury travels I can not remember ever seeing an actual car like yours.

There's a guy, by the name of Marc, from the Montego GT Registry in the LA area that has one.
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mmgt/vpost?id=1491824
Pics of his car are near the bottom of the page

http://www.chevelles.com/wagons/70-husak-b.jpg

Realize HWs will release the Chevelle wagon, but M2 can do so much more with that car.

I always did like wagons, although I'm not really sure why. I think its their ability to provide "utility" without being an SUV. That is one of the coolest I've ever seen....color and all :)

I'd love to see this in a 1/24 and 1/64:

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa69/dragonhead00/1970Chrysler300Hurst-aug7a.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa69/dragonhead00/1970Chrysler300Hurst-aug7b.jpg

Hey fellas,

some very cool cars, I really like that black Fury GT. Wow, I don't think I have every seen one in person. The Chevelle wagon is also cool, but Chevrolet only made a SS Chevelle wagon in 1973. And I personally like the earlier Cougars a little more, 1967 or 1968. You guys really like Torinos? Really?

Sean

Unless M2 could make some real magic happen I don't see those '69 Torinos selling very well. The JL version barely moves. Same with the Mercury Cyclone. Sorry but that's what I have observed.
Cougars would be great though.

I think these are a given considering the casting is already done. I don't think anyone else has done these in 1:64 scale:

1970 Twister Special
http://www.mustanggt.org/twister/TwisterSpecial3.jpg

http://pages.prodigy.net/d.hughmanick/70twist.jpg

1970 Sidewinder Special
http://www.ponysite.de/lesmas2.jpg

http://pages.prodigy.net/d.hughmanick/70sidew.jpg

The Twister and Sidewinder Special would be awesome!

Unless M2 could make some real magic happen I don't see those '69 Torinos selling very well. The JL version barely moves. Same with the Mercury Cyclone. Sorry but that's what I have observed.
Cougars would be great though.

JL's are Talladegas. Few can really releate to them. I think 68-69 Torino GTs and Torino Cobras would be great and a long time coming. Fastbacks, Coupes and convertibles would be nice. I'm all for Cougars too!

...You guys really like Torinos? Really?

Sean
Absolutely! I like their Mercury cousins even more. I was born in Oaklawn Hospital across the street from the Ford test track. The little town I grew up in was considered Ford country. The 68-69 fastbacks are my favorites.:thumbsup:

Tons of Torino and Mercury Cyclone/Montego pics at these links. Dialup users beware.
http://www.torinocobra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6593
http://www.torinocobra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8582
http://www.torinocobra.com/main1.htm

Heck yeah we love Torinos, most anything old can be aprieciated by most of us.
I'll make shamless plugs for my big barges while I'm at it.
'71 Pimpieral with 440 and Sure Grip rear.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/hubcaps2.jpg
'68 Fury (non Sport Roof) beafed up 440, 390 gears, Caltrac bars, etc, etc.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/islicksmg_1184.jpg
'68 Fury El Rauncho shop truck (slightly modified :D)
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/LMXTRK1-1.jpg

- Vinnie the Torch -

Unless M2 could make some real magic happen I don't see those '69 Torinos selling very well. The JL version barely moves. Same with the Mercury Cyclone. Sorry but that's what I have observed.
Cougars would be great though.
Well here in southern Lower Michigan and northeastern Indiana the JL 70-71 Cyclones didnt stay on the shelves very long and neither did the 69 Torino Talladegas. I have never seen anyone do the 68-69 Torino fastback or formal roof or the 68-69 Cyclones in 1/64th. GMP has done a spectacular 1/24 of the Cale Yarborough/Dan Gurney 1969 Cyclone Spoiler II but that's it. JL did do a 68-69 Torino convertable in 1/64th but not any others.
Oh well, I dont hold out much hope, but I thought I'd put in my 2 cents.

Absolutely! I like their Mercury cousins even more. I was born in Oaklawn Hospital across the street from the Ford test track. The little town I grew up in was considered Ford country. The 68-69 fastbacks are my favorites.:thumbsup:

My Torino comment was more for a reaction. :) I can't say anything right now.

But on a serious note, for all you Ford guys, after the Mustang what is the next most popular Ford muscle car? I know there are a lot of cool muscle cars from Ford, but they tend to be on the more rare side. I am not real interested in doing a car that there is only 500 made and they only came in one color. I go to car shows and drag races and it's pretty much Mustangs. For Chevy, they have Camaros, Chevelles, Novas even Impalas. All of these seem to be plentiful and commonly known to people.

Sean

Heck yeah we love Torinos, most anything old can be aprieciated by most of us.
I'll make shamless plugs for my big barges while I'm at it.
'71 Pimpieral with 440 and Sure Grip rear.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/hubcaps2.jpg
'68 Fury (non Sport Roof) beafed up 440, 390 gears, Caltrac bars, etc, etc.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/islicksmg_1184.jpg
'68 Fury El Rauncho shop truck (slightly modified :D)
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/LMXTRK1-1.jpg

- Vinnie the Torch -

Lummox,

I love that '71 Imperial, what a boat. Do you have any photos of the front? It looks like a mob car, very sinister.

Sean

But on a serious note, for all you Ford guys, after the Mustang what is the next most popular Ford muscle car?

Another Mustang :D

Lummox,

I love that '71 Imperial, what a boat. Do you have any photos of the front? It looks like a mob car, very sinister.

Sean
Yessir, commin' atchya. Glad you like it.
Kind of a cross between cosa nostra and cowboy-pimp I call it. :)
And yes, the trunk holds lotsa dead hookers. :drunk: ...just kidding of course ;)
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/hubcaps1.jpg

- D. Spicable -

Sean ,

I'm with EdselDave on this one.. Really need a correct 66 ,67 Fairlaine GT and 500. And the eqivalent Cyclones of those years as well.
Or some very early blue oval mojo like the 60',61' Starliners and 62' - 64' Galaxies

Not a Ford muscle car, although I've seen some that are pretty wicked, but Ford Falcons and Mercury Comets are always being requested at Ford shows.

My Torino comment was more for a reaction. :) I can't say anything right now.

But on a serious note, for all you Ford guys, after the Mustang what is the next most popular Ford muscle car? I know there are a lot of cool muscle cars from Ford, but they tend to be on the more rare side. I am not real interested in doing a car that there is only 500 made and they only came in one color. I go to car shows and drag races and it's pretty much Mustangs. For Chevy, they have Camaros, Chevelles, Novas even Impalas. All of these seem to be plentiful and commonly known to people.

Sean

Sean,

For Chevy, you forgot to mention the grandaddy of them all: the CORVETTE!!

You are also correct in that Chevy and Chrysler produced a number fairly popular muscle cars whereas Ford only produced one.. which happens to be one of the most popular cars ever, and perhaps arguably the prettiest car ever designed (I would even venture to say that the late 60s Mustangs are better looking than its contemporary foreign Exotics in today's eye). In other words, Ford only built one hugely popular muscle car, but it was a colossal home run. The Cougar was a distant second, but I would NOT be surprised that the Cougar may have done similar sales numbers as some of the Chryslers for that matter....

Since M2 is into 50s cars, would the 50s Thunderbird count as a muscle car?

Of course, the other monumental Ford badged muscle car was the Shelby enhanced English AC Cobra.... and those are already being nicely done by Shelby Collectibles and HW... and do NOT forget the GT40 which is begging to be done in the M2 mold!

I think these are a given considering the casting is already done. I don't think anyone else has done these in 1:64 scale:

1970 Twister Special
http://www.mustanggt.org/twister/TwisterSpecial3.jpg

http://pages.prodigy.net/d.hughmanick/70twist.jpg

1970 Sidewinder Special
http://www.ponysite.de/lesmas2.jpg

http://pages.prodigy.net/d.hughmanick/70sidew.jpg

SD64,

This casting was beautifully done by Ertl American Muscle series - perhaps the best proportioned diecast series I have ever seen.

My Torino comment was more for a reaction. :) I can't say anything right now.

But on a serious note, for all you Ford guys, after the Mustang what is the next most popular Ford muscle car? I know there are a lot of cool muscle cars from Ford, but they tend to be on the more rare side. I am not real interested in doing a car that there is only 500 made and they only came in one color. I go to car shows and drag races and it's pretty much Mustangs. For Chevy, they have Camaros, Chevelles, Novas even Impalas. All of these seem to be plentiful and commonly known to people.

Sean

A Torino would be freaking awesome!!! I love Torinos! Ford muscle cars besides the Stang... for me it's the Torino, and the Fairlane.

Other Ford cars from the era, I will have to echo Sheldon on, the Galaxie, a 289/260 Cobra, and the GT-40 would be sweet!

Outside of a 1/72 scale sample I saw once I can't think of anyone that has done a 68-69 fastback Torino.

But on a serious note, for all you Ford guys, after the Mustang what is the next most popular Ford muscle car? I know there are a lot of cool muscle cars from Ford, but they tend to be on the more rare side. I am not real interested in doing a car that there is only 500 made and they only came in one color. I go to car shows and drag races and it's pretty much Mustangs. For Chevy, they have Camaros, Chevelles, Novas even Impalas. All of these seem to be plentiful and commonly known to people.

Sean

The intermediate Fords/Mercurys were made in large numbers(roughly 300,000 Fords alone each year from 66-69). I still see them in drag racing especially the 66-67 427 Fairlanes. The intermediate Fords had a very colorful racing racing every bit if not more impressive than the Mustangs. I think Mustangs tend to overshadow the other muscle Fords/Mercurys which is probably one of the reasons they are so underrepresented in the diecast circles.

Sean,

Since we are on the topic of Mustangs and other muscle cars, here are some questions:

1) Has anyone seen a good, detailed and fully featured casting of the last classic body style of the Mach 1 Mustang, circa 1973 (the body style before it was ruined with the boxy Pinto look)?

I have only seen a sloppy out of proportion rendition from JL, and a nicely proportioned yet highly NON detailed rendition from Kyosho...

It would be cool to see M2 do one all opened up.

2) Has anyone ever seen a really decent 1964 1/2 version?

I have only seen a sloppy JL version, again it was out of proportion with no detail... in fact, it was really a 67 casting badged as a 64 1/2. Again, it would be cool to see M2 do the very first official 1964 1/2 Mustang in glossy red, fully opened up!

3) Though off the wall and probably not anything M2 would do, has anyone ever done a casting of the famous Mustang proto?

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1965-ford-mustang-prototypes.htm
http://www.muscularmustangs.com/database/cougarconcept.php

Since we are on the subject of muscle cars, wouldn't it be great if M2 could also do the original Thunderbird - All OPEN!

Here are some others I would like to see M2 offer with open features:

1) C1-C3 Corvettes.... along with the race versions of the 1963-1965 Corvette coupes.

2) 67-69 Cougar. Ertl did a great 1970 Cougar so maybe that one can wait.

3) 69 Torino Cobra or Talladega

4) 66-68 first body style Camaros. Imagine a race version done with the Sunoco livery!!!

5) 69 second body style Camaros.

NOTE: I am surprised M2 chose the Chevelle and Cutlass for the Muscle cars as opposed to one of these early Camaros which have NEVER been done properly by anyone other than HW (who only did a nice collectible version of the 70 Camaro).

Other subjects I would lust for M2 to tackle but probably just dreaming:

1) CanAm cars. NEVER seen anyone ever do anything decent other than kiddie cars in 1/64. And since M2 like to be original, this would be VERY ORIGINAL.
2) American Le Mans cars from the 60s - other than Shelbys. Imagine the GT40 MK11 or MKIV with all open panels!!!!
NOTE: The only series I think GL did very well was the Grand Am set, and they actually opened the engine cowling! - no one ever does racing series like these other than the occasional HW Collectibles back in the day.

My Torino comment was more for a reaction. :) I can't say anything right now.

But on a serious note, for all you Ford guys, after the Mustang what is the next most popular Ford muscle car? I know there are a lot of cool muscle cars from Ford, but they tend to be on the more rare side. I am not real interested in doing a car that there is only 500 made and they only came in one color. I go to car shows and drag races and it's pretty much Mustangs. For Chevy, they have Camaros, Chevelles, Novas even Impalas. All of these seem to be plentiful and commonly known to people.

Sean
And yet Dodge only made 500 Daytonas.:)

And yet Dodge only made 500 Daytonas.:)

Doh! You got me. I think the Daytona is more of a exception here. 1. It's more of a icon car, and very recognizable, 2. Dodge made them in various colors. It's not like a 1969 Trans Am where 697 where made and in one paint scheme. If we did the Trans Am we would be one and done for the stock version.

Sean

Hey Fellas,

Wow, there is a lot of good questions here. It's going to take some time to answer these. I do have to do some work every now and then.

I am not sure if anyone has heard the interviews on http://www.saturdaynitro.com/ there is also a link on http://www.diecastspace.com/ I will be on February 7 for an interview and Q&A. I believe you can call in or ask questions online. This might be a faster way of getting some of your questions answered.

Sean

SD64,

This casting was beautifully done by Ertl American Muscle series - perhaps the best proportioned diecast series I have ever seen.

Ertl did a 1:64 scale 1970 Mustang Twister Special and Sidewinder Special???

The only 1:64 scale Ertl American Muscle Mustang I recall is the standard 1969 Mach 1. (Black, green, red, and yellow I believe.)

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a well proportioned and detailed 1964.5 -1966 Mustang as well. JL's version isn't bad at all, but it doesn't have the level of detail that M2's do. Heck, while we are at it, why not do the '67 - '68. GL's version looks pretty good, especially with the newly proportioned wheels, but again, not to M2's level. This happens to be one of my favorite Mustangs ever:

1968 Mustang GT with a 428 CJ (note the black stripe on the hood). What a sleeper!

http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/67-68/68/1968CJRed-2.jpg

Maybe some funny cars would be neat too.

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/69fcbigjohn.jpghttp://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/66pinkchargerfc.jpg

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/magicalfc1.jpghttp://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/69rrfc5.jpg
How about one just like this with see thru body.....

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/69rrfc1.jpg
Since they already have the casting.....

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/afcmtduo.jpg

or A/FX cars...

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/bfyp65afx.jpg

It would also be neat to see maybe some of the exsisting models like the 70 Super Bee with different colored C stripes as a limited or Chase...like the rare Ledger Blue stripe color.
http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/b5v2bees.jpg

Maybe some funny cars would be neat too.

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/69fcbigjohn.jpghttp://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/66pinkchargerfc.jpg

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/magicalfc1.jpghttp://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/69rrfc5.jpg
How about one just like this with see thru body.....

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/69rrfc1.jpg
Since they already have the casting.....

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/afcmtduo.jpg

or A/FX cars...

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/bfyp65afx.jpg

I would love to some old race cars, but they are just not repaint friendly. The two mid 1970's Grand Ams of Mickey Thompson are cool, but no one is going to buy a green, yellow or purple versions of these cars, they only want the correct colors. On top of that there is also additional licensing involved for the driver & sponsors.

Maybe in the future we can do something in the racing world. Here's a shameless plug, on my free time (which is not much!!!) I do the artwork for www.VintageDragClub.com I just finished the Greer, Black & Prudhomme yellow dragster t-shirt.

Thanks,
Sean

It would also be neat to see maybe some of the exsisting models like the 70 Super Bee with different colored C stripes as a limited or Chase...like the rare Ledger Blue stripe color.
http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/b5v2bees.jpg

Hey Quicksilver, I came across this color stripe a few months ago in another photo. I could not find any info on it. I didn't know if it was from the factory or custom? Do you have any info? Is there any other factory colored stripes you are aware of?

I love digging up rare factory items. Wait till you guys see the Super Convention car, I love it. I also found something very cool and special for our upcoming Pontiac Muscle Car. I think we can pull it off and I think you hard core Pontiac guys will be happy.

Thanks,
Sean

Hey Quicksilver, I came across this color stripe a few months ago in another photo. I could not find any info on it. I didn't know if it was from the factory or custom? Do you have any info? Is there any other factory colored stripes you are aware of?

I love digging up rare factory items. Wait till you guys see the Super Convention car, I love it. I also found something very cool and special for our upcoming Pontiac Muscle Car. I think we can pull it off and I think you hard core Pontiac guys will be happy.

Thanks,
Sean

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/1970SuperBeeB51.jpg
EB5 Medium Blue metallic with V6B Blue C stripe 70 Bee Coupe.

I worked for Mopar for many years at both dealers and in reproduction musclecar parts (still) and can pretty much answer any question you have on them. Yes the Ledge Blue was FACTORY but only on B3 lite blue, B5 Medium Blue B7 Dark Blue and EW1 Alpine white cars. see picture of my current project.
http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/70beewhite2.jpg
EW1 Alpine White with V6B Blue C stripe LA Calif. Built 70 Bee Coupe. Only 1 known to exsist in this combo.

There were the following FACTORY Stripes available. Ledger Green V6G C stripes & V8G over the deck stripe, V6R Red C stripe, V8R deck stripe. V6W white C stripe, V8W over the deck. V6B Black C stripe, V8B over the deck stripe. with ONLY the small bee image being reflective. The odd color stripes were basically color coded..you could not get a Green stripe on a blue car for example. And of course Black and White were available on all colors. and then code V88 was a stripe delete option where you only got the round SUPER BEE decal on the 1/4's.

Maybe in the future we can do something in the racing world. Here's a shameless plug, on my free time (which is not much!!!) I do the artwork for www.VintageDragClub.com I just finished the Greer, Black & Prudhomme yellow dragster t-shirt.

Thanks,
Sean

Is this the one you are doing?

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/Prudhommerail.jpg
circa 1964

http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/1970SuperBeeB51.jpg
EB5 Medium Blue metallic with V6B Blue C stripe 70 Bee Coupe.

I worked for Mopar for many years at both dealers and in reproduction musclecar parts (still) and can pretty much answer any question you have on them. Yes the Ledge Blue was FACTORY but only on B3 lite blue, B5 Medium Blue B7 Dark Blue and EW1 Alpine white cars. see picture of my current project.
http://www.quicksilverdiecast.com/catalog/70beewhite2.jpg
EW1 Alpine White with V6B Blue C stripe LA Calif. Built 70 Bee Coupe. Only 1 known to exsist in this combo.

There were the following FACTORY Stripes available. Ledger Green V6G C stripes & V8G over the deck stripe, V6R Red C stripe, V8R deck stripe. V6W white C stripe, V8W over the deck. V6B Black C stripe, V8B over the deck stripe. with ONLY the small bee image being reflective. The odd color stripes were basically color coded..you could not get a Green stripe on a blue car for example. And of course Black and White were available on all colors. and then code V88 was a stripe delete option where you only got the round SUPER BEE decal on the 1/4's.

That is interesting info.

... Here's a shameless plug, on my free time (which is not much!!!) I do the artwork for www.VintageDragClub.com I just finished the Greer, Black & Prudhomme yellow dragster t-shirt.

Thanks,
Sean

- AWESOMENESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- D. Zaster -

This one....for obvious reasons :) Seriously, a '72 Challenger Rallye in Petty Blue with a white vinyl top and white interior would be awesome. My dad had one.

http://www.geocities.com/bumpman33/cars/gator.JPG

sean how about ya'll doing a '68 and '69 chevy chevelle ss 396 cuz those would be sweet as well

I just want to see some more Firebirds and Trans Ams done up by other companies.
I'd like to collect a Firebird from every year that Pontiac did.
Then again, how about a '74 GTO?

George :cool: