Here they are the last 12 car set from M2! 4 NEW CASTINGS!

These are due in the next 2 weeks so PRE-ORDER NOW!

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1950 Oldsmobile 88 - NEW CASTING
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-Olds88Grey.JPG


1949 Mercury - NEW CASTING
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-49MercBlack.JPG
1959 Cadillac - NEW CASTING
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-59CadRed.JPG
1958 Plymouth Sports Fury
NEW CASTING
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-58FuryPink.JPG
1957 Chrysler DeSoto Fireflite
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-57DesotoYellow.JPG
1954 Dodge Coronet
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-CornOrange.JPG
1950 Oldsmobile 88 - NEW CASTING
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-Olds88Red.JPG


1949 Mercury - NEW CASTING
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-49MercGreen.JPG


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Available for Pre-Order now on our website.

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Fred Blood
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1959 Cadillac - NEW CASTING
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-59CadYellow.JPG
1958 Plymouth Belevedere
NEW CASTING
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-58BelvBlue.JPG
1957 Chrysler DeSoto Fireflite
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-57DesotoBlack.JPG
1954 Dodge Coronet
http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-CornPurple.JPG
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CHASE / LIMITED EDITION CARS RANDOMLY INSERTED IN CASES!

1) 1950 Oldsmobile 88 Black w/ Gold Trims "Chase Car"
There will be 1 Chase Car in every master case of 48 -
Total production run is less than 1800pcs.

http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-Olds88BlkGld.JPG
2) 1949 MercLimited Edition "Chrome Car"
These will be randomly inserted into Release 5A & 5B -
Total production run is less than 180pcs.

http://1stopdiecast.com/08CastLine/auto/Auto5/31500-05-49MercChrome.JPG

Available for Pre-Order now on our website.

Have Fun,
Fred Blood
1 Stop Diecast

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Gotta get the caddy and the merc! Those are sweet!!! :thumbsup:

Looks like another nice set from M2. I wish they'd have done a '60 Caddy though, the '59 has been done to death in diecast, (even though most seem to have been El Dorados, and this is a series 62, admittedly, a nice change) and the 60 was a much nicer looking car. Ok, maybe I am biased because my Dad owned a '60 series 62 coupe when I was in the 1st grade, in 1966. It became my older sister's first car in 1970. (Can you imagine learning to drive on one of those land yachts? My sister did, but, played it safe and took her drivers test in my Dad's '68 Impala.). Another nice touch this set has is that the '58 Plymouth is done both as a Fury and a Belvedere. Even though JL has done a '58 and Ertl did years ago, these look to be extremely nice. I really like the Belvedere version. My only complaint is with the 54 Dodges in this set.....the colors they chose do nothing for them and the lack of Whitewalls makes them look rather plain. As 50's cars, they should have a bit more pizzazz. Two tones would have looked nicer.

AWESOME!!!! Opening up Fred's thread with the announcement of "4 NEW CASTINGS" gave me that feeling of anxiousness like opening a christmas gift as a kid.
I figured the Merc and the Olds would be two of the four since they were each featured in recent releases .. The other two were fun to discover:eek:

I agree with Jim, It's cool to see the 58 Plymouth variety . Also good to see the sharp yellow Desoto done as a FIREFLIGHT .. I'll be adding that one to the ADVENTURER in the collection..

Nice looking set but why purple and orange on the Dodges. :confused:

Those all look beautiful. Well done M2.

nice looking release....always liked the pale yellow in the older cars...like the '57 Desota and '59 Cadillac...good to see the '50 Olds 88 to...:thumbsup:

Those Caddies are sweet!

id like to see the 58 plymouths in red & white? nice start for christine

Looks like most are keepers ! I agree the 54 Dodges need whitewalls ...

I would've ordered the whole set, but the orange & purple Dodges put the brakes on that. Such a neat and apparently unique casting deserves better color choices.

The rest look really good.

I agree with Jim that a 1960 Caddy would have been a hit out of the park, instead of the same ol' same ol' fifty-niner.

Whatever popcult appeal the '59 Caddy once enjoyed is well past its sell-by date; they've just gone back to looking silly again. (I saw one trundling down the highway a few months ago, and I was rewarded with a new and powerful visual representation of the word "ungainly". It looked like it was literally going to tip over! If a car can't look good moving at 70 mph, that's a little embarrassing.)

However, I think Mitchell's smoothed out '60 fuselage version will remain forever sleek and sexy. I wish M2 had noticed that.

I'm dyin' for a '60 Caddy-lac...one of my faves.
A black one passed me in the desert at about 80 mph 25 years ago...so sinister looking.

Any one else think the proportions are kinda weird on the '54 Dodge?
Isn't the windshield to slanty? Like waaaayyyy to slanty?

- D. Praved -

I noticed that about the Dodge windshield, too, Lummox, but I'm not real familiar with that car so I didn't mention it yet (and I'm just too lazy to do an image search, I admit).

The WS slant looks more like that of a '60s car, or at the very least a '53 Stude coupe. I doubt that Dodge would've tooled advanced windows like that until Harley Earl lit a fire under them in '55. Chrysler was still smarting from the Airflow disaster thirty years earlier, and Mr. XNR was still getting his C legs.

EDIT -
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/dodgemanual.jpg
The best view I could find is on this manual cover, and I think most of the problem might be that the windshield on the model is too tall and flat when compared to the 1:1. The actual slant doesn't seem too far off, because the triangular vent window looks almost the same. But I agree that the final result looks odd on this 1954 car. But maybe they used a different windshield on the coupe?

I'm dyin' for a '60 Caddy-lac...one of my faves.
A black one passed me in the desert at about 80 mph 25 years ago...so sinister looking.

Any one else think the proportions are kinda weird on the '54 Dodge?
Isn't the windshield to slanty? Like waaaayyyy to slanty?

- D. Praved -

Glad to see others liked the 60 as well. Funny you should mention a black one, my Father's was black, too. I can remember riding in the back of that car as a kid and leaning my head back against the seat. You could see the sky since the rear window went high into the roof.

I agree, something looks amiss on those 54 Dodges. maybe in addition to the windshield being too slanted, the upper part of the roof where it meets the windshield may have too much curvature? Not sure, just looks that way to me.

Glad to see others liked the 60 as well. Funny you should mention a black one, my Father's was black, too. I can remember riding in the back of that car as a kid and leaning my head back against the seat. You could see the sky since the rear window went high into the roof.


A '60 would have been nice, esp. a flattop 4dr ht. I'd love to see a '57 or '58 Coupe de Ville or Eldorado. Or a '50-53..pretty much any year in the '50s besides the predictable '59.

BluntFronts suggested: "But maybe they used a different windshield on the coupe?"

There was a story in the current issue of OCW about '54 Dodges. The two door hardtop ("coupe"), the convertible and the two door wagon had five inch shorter wheelbases than other '54 Dodges. Those would share wheelbases and most body parts with 1954 Plymouths. I did not notice any objection in the rake of the "A" pillar/windshield on these models but there were two different wheelbases on '54 Dodges so consider that.

The colors on those two Dodges in this release are simply silly - like what a high school kid in 1964 would do in his driveway to the perfect, original Dodge inherited from his now dead granny. Stupid! Use accurate, original paint schemes!

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Ranchero , your right , the 2 dr hardtop 54 Dodge Royal along with the 2dr station wagon and convert' was built on a shorter 114 inch wheelbase. Noticably shorter than the 4 dr sedan Royals ( 119 inch wb)

But as D.Praved :lol: suggested , the M2 version is buzzarly inaccurate.. The height of the windshield as it meets the roof is proportionally wacked out with the rest of the car , and the length of the car seems too stretched out..
If fact the overall scale is a bit too big compared to other M2 auto-thentics.
( The 54 Dodges as well as the Plymouths were the shrimps in the Chrysler family.) The wheel/tires look small on this baby as a result..

Ya know how the advertizers in the 50s would purposely ...S t r e t c h.... the lengths of the cars in their drawings to screw with people? I found THAT AD for the 54DODGE Royal were talking about . Even the color scheme is the same as one that M2 used .. Looks like they just used that ad to come up with
their dimensions man!! Whoa.... It a conspiracy man!!:dude: I'm kidding of course ;)


The other pic shows what the REAL Hardtop should look like ...


Whoa... see next reply for the pics.......

SORRY ABOUT THAT ....

Here is the PICS :freak::drunk: That's me in the picture.. looking for my keys..

Something about that 54 Dodge does look funny, like the windshield is too flat, the pillars to angled back. But then again, I've only seen pics of them...don't think I've ever seen such a car in the wild.

Is it just me or does something look funny about the hood/grille area of the '50 Olds? Seems like it should be flatter, looks bulged in the pics...maybe it's just the angle.

( The 54 Dodges as well as the Plymouths were the shrimps in the Chrysler family.) The wheel/tires look small on this baby as a result..

Ya know how the advertizers in the 50s would purposely ...S t r e t c h.... the lengths of the cars in their drawings to screw with people? ....
Yup on both counts...good eye. These were very stubby little cars for the time.

Flat U. Later :wave:

I know it's off topic, but I noticed Jada's not on your page anymore. Did you guys stop selling them?

I want to make sure that the M2 Auto-thentics folks know that we aren't attacking their work in this thread.

I expect to buy this entire set (except for the 2 oddly-colored Dodges), and every day that I look at my existing collection of M2 Auto-thentics I am amazed at how fantastic they are. They are by far my favorite diecast purchases of 2008, and I sincerely hope that Castline M2 keeps up the great work.

Although the windshield of the '54 Dodge looks a little odd, so far it has not kept me from buying the stock examples. If these two had been issued in stock 1954 Dodge colors, I would snap them up in a second. From what I can tell, the two-tone combos available that year are very definitive early '50s shades, which is what I really want to buy on thse cars.

And I do wish that M2 would produce the more desirable classic American cars that haven't been over-produced in 1/64 so far, such as the 1960 Cadillac instead of the overly familiar '59.

All of this is from a serious fan of M2's Auto-thentics, and I only intend for my suggestions to help them become even more successful in a challenging marketplace.

Right on, BF!

I feel that way too... It's GREAT to have someone even OFFER a 54 Dodge .. whether it looks perfect or not .. I'm buying em
For this AUTO-THENTIC series especially , just the stock color combinations would be better..

I'm thinking the odd colors are suppose to represent Mopars PLUM CRAZY and whatever the orange shade was called in the 70s...

There is a very good 1954 Dodge model in 1:43 scale - the white metal Brooklin convertible. The Dodge was the pace car at the Indianapolis 500 race for 1954 and Brooklin replicated that car - finished in a bright yellow. I believe there was at least one other color scheme - a non-pace car - released by Brooklin of the '54 Dodge convertible. Brooklin pattern makers are almost always perfectly spot on and I am sure that those who object to the fidelity of the M2 model should be well pleased with the (much more expensive) Brooklin. - ranchero -

I want to make sure that the M2 Auto-thentics folks know that we aren't attacking their work in this thread.

Thank you very much for this statement, we really appreciate it. I think you guys have been doing a great job on your comments. All we really ask is that you please keep things in an adult tone or manner. If you see something, call our attention to it. Sometimes you just get too involved into a project and you need to step back and see it through someone else's eyes.

And someone nailed the '54 Dodge colors earlier. We where going for something that a teen had his parents car handed down and wanted to "hop" it up. The colors are from the 1970 Dodge color chart. Here at Castline, Jim had three (1 convertible & 2 hard tops) of these Dodges back in the fifties. This Dodge kind of has a drab and limited factory color palette, but rest assured that stock colors will return in release 7 I believe.

By all means please keep talking about our products, it shows you are interested in them.

Thanks,
Sean

Thank you very much for this statement, we really appreciate it. I think you guys have been doing a great job on your comments. All we really ask is that you please keep things in an adult tone or manner. If you see something, call our attention to it. Sometimes you just get too involved into a project and you need to step back and see it through someone else's eyes.

And someone nailed the '54 Dodge colors earlier. We where going for something that a teen had his parents car handed down and wanted to "hop" it up. The colors are from the 1970 Dodge color chart. Here at Castline, Jim had three (1 convertible & 2 hard tops) of these Dodges back in the fifties. This Dodge kind of has a drab and limited factory color palette, but rest assured that stock colors will return in release 7 I believe.

By all means please keep talking about our products, it shows you are interested in them.

Thanks,
Sean

Sean, it's good to hear from you. I just wanted to tell you that I am very excited about 2 of your new releases, the Muscle Car Release 3 and then Auto-thentics Release 5. The detail I've seen in the pics of the Mach 1 are amazing and I may even go after the daytona. I'm not a big collector of 40's to 50's, but some of the cars in this upcoming release are so cool, I will for sure be getting them. Thanks for listening to us and bringing an awesome product! :thumbsup:

Sean, you wrote: "If you see something, call our attention to it. Sometimes you just get too involved into a project and you need to step back and see it through someone else's eyes."

That is fine, but what good does it do if a serious criticism is raised after the casting has been manufactured, shipped from China and distributed?

Except for inaccurate colors, I did not really see any issue with the Dodge. However others who care more about those cars did and I now believe, after reading what they contributed and checking my sources and my Brooklin Dodge, that their criticism is absolutely warranted. But it is too late for the company to fix the casting now!

I had cutting criticism of a Greenlight release of a 1965 Ford and published it on another thread in HT forums. Others did too. How will this get a better Ford model? It is too late to fix.

I think manufacturers of these products need to touch bases with people who have intimate knowledge of and feeling for the car being modeled. When the master modeler is in the USA and can see the car being reproduced in person, the risk of an inaccurate casting is small. But when your master is constructed in China by someone who has absolutely no feel for, just say here, a 1954 Dodge (nor has ever seen one in person), the liklehood of a glaringly inaccurate casting is increased.

This was an issue for collectors in the late '70s when the English firm Mikansue was creating 1:43 scale white metal models of '50s American cars. The masters were made in England from photos and specs by a person who had never seen the car being modeled. M2 has duplicated this error 30 years later using Chinese instead of English producers of models of American cars.

Why not get pre-production models approved by Americans who know the car? Find a source at the Mercury club, the Pontiac club, the Mopar club or whatever. Many people have seen the real car M2 is trying to model many times and are experts on these cars. Find someone through the collector clubs for each marque of car who has the knowledge, time and articulation to make educated comments on your master model and pre-production samples. But don't release models that turn out to be seen as grotesque to people who know because no checks were made with knowledgable outsiders.

- ranchero -

Sean, there has been a lot of talk about possible subjects for new castings in the 1950s and 1960s eras. But what about the 1940s? There is very little in the way of 1/64 diecast, and certainly next to nothing in authentic colors. Racing Champions Mint Editions were oversized. Johnny Lightnings are undersized. And even when something is done to scale (for instance Jada 1947 Chevrolet) it is rarely (or never) offered as stock models with factory colors.

I think there is an opportunity there for you to fill in the 1940-42 and 1946-49 model years.

All the best,

Ian Wilson
Orillia, Ontario

Sean, you wrote: "If you see something, call our attention to it. Sometimes you just get too involved into a project and you need to step back and see it through someone else's eyes."

That is fine, but what good does it do if a serious criticism is raised after the casting has been manufactured, shipped from China and distributed?

This is really the first "serious criticism" that we have heard, I think people are still in shock that we did make a 1954 Dodge. But seriously, it makes us mindful that collectors are really checking our cars very closely and passionately. So the next new tooling had better be checked harder so that it is even more accurate.

Except for inaccurate colors, I did not really see any issue with the Dodge. However others who care more about those cars did and I now believe, after reading what they contributed and checking my sources and my Brooklin Dodge, that their criticism is absolutely warranted. But it is too late for the company to fix the casting now!

It is too late to change the casting now! Brooklin makes a very beautiful car. I think they run around $100 a car while our cars are around $5. Apples and oranges, maybe. I think their windshield is a tad low on the convertible, and I think our small 1/64 hood ornament has greater detail and looks more accurate for the scale, of course I wouldn't say that in public.

I had cutting criticism of a Greenlight release of a 1965 Ford and published it on another thread in HT forums. Others did too. How will this get a better Ford model? It is too late to fix.

Yes, I did read that and I am confused to why would you ask me about Greenlight products??? I work for Castline, Greenlight makes a very good product and I have many in my personal collection. I love the 1971 Camaro.

I think manufacturers of these products need to touch bases with people who have intimate knowledge of and feeling for the car being modeled. When the master modeler is in the USA and can see the car being reproduced in person, the risk of an inaccurate casting is small. But when your master is constructed in China by someone who has absolutely no feel for, just say here, a 1954 Dodge (nor has ever seen one in person), the liklehood of a glaringly inaccurate casting is increased.

Interesting theory and opinion you have. You sound like an experienced die cast collector/car guy. I am not sure if you have one of our early 1954 Dodge castings or are you just going off of these photos. You said above "Except for inaccurate colors, I did not really see any issue with the Dodge." This really doesn't sound like a glaringly inaccurate casting or even grotesque (as you stated below). I think our model makers do a fantastic job for us and I wouldn't change a thing.

This was an issue for collectors in the late '70s when the English firm Mikansue was creating 1:43 scale white metal models of '50s American cars. The masters were made in England from photos and specs by a person who had never seen the car being modeled. M2 has duplicated this error 30 years later using Chinese instead of English producers of models of American cars.

Not sure about an "error" when the majority of companies in our segment do business this way. I collect Star Wars figures and vehicles. I am sure the modelers in China have never seen a Wookie or X-wing fighter in person and yet I think they do a great job.

Why not get pre-production models approved by Americans who know the car? Find a source at the Mercury club, the Pontiac club, the Mopar club or whatever. Many people have seen the real car M2 is trying to model many times and are experts on these cars. Find someone through the collector clubs for each marque of car who has the knowledge, time and articulation to make educated comments on your master model and pre-production samples. But don't release models that turn out to be seen as grotesque to people who know because no checks were made with knowledgable outsiders.

In case your not sure, I am an American and so is Jim who works on these cars as well. And yes we know these cars and our 1954 Dodge is not grotesque to people nor do they make babies cry. Please do not merely assume that we don't have any checks or knowledgable insiders.


- ranchero -

Thank you for your comments and personal opinions,
Sean

Sean - Brooklin & M2 are completely different products - yes. I simply used my Brooklin Dodge, as well as reference books, to determine if I could agree with the already published criticism. And I do agree. I am not asking you about a Greenlight model, just indicating that criticism of inaccurate models applies to other manufacturers' Chinese product too.

Sean, I do assume that Castline does not have adequate checks because, after research, I agree that the Dodge casting has a serious fault. The detail on the hood is fine (as was the various detailing your competitor did on the Ford). But the fidelity to original on both these discussed models is bad.

It is a disappointment to anxious collectors when a casting of a long anticipated model of a unique subject is done poorly. Chinese die cast product does not have to be imperfect. The very best, most accurate as to shape and detail, die cast models in the world are made in China - Minichamps. Yes, those are more expensive, a different scale and for a different market. But they do demonstrate how correct a model from China can really be despite the model maker having never seen the 1:1 car. How can Minichamps get it so right every time; what process to they use to ensure this? Go there!

- ranchero -

well...... I'm glad LUMMOX asked for opinions on the looks of the M2 54 Dodge at the beginning of this thread.. It's generated some classic response.
To me , ANY brand new casting from the 50,60,70s that is made available by my three choices of diecast companies , JL,GL and now M2 , is enjoyable in itself . To spend some down-time researching and checking out the final product is relaxing .. I enjoy looking for ways to correct the minor mistakes or imperfections and sharing opinions with you peeps....
We all have different levels of passion when it comes to cars and collecting .. and different expectations when it comes to perfection ..
It doesn't matter what the selling price is , or what scale it is, or where it is developed and manufactured... you won't find perfection when compared to the 1:1 version.. And I don't want to have to pay $500 a car , to cover all the extra design work and labor it would take to come close to perfecting the thing for the 1/64th scale models..
There just toys for big boys that can't ignore them.. I like when a company puts noticable effort into the overall realizm , but if they slip once in a while , I for one, am not disgusted ..
Way too many real priorities for me to be concerned with..

Ranchero , I admire your passion . You know what you want .. and that all good..
Sean , Thanks for being a part in this forum . Your always a great source of info .. and you represent Castline/M2 extremely well...

OK .. I'm bored with this reply now,
Thanks

Steve

In case your not sure, I am an American and so is Jim who works on these cars as well. And yes we know these cars and our 1954 Dodge is not grotesque to people nor do they make babies cry. Please do not merely assume that we don't have any checks or knowledgable insiders.

I agree that the term grotesque may be a bit strong, however, I also agree with the message being presented. I don't think anyone is assuming that your modelers don't know what they are doing, but what is the harm in getting feedback on pre-production samples from people who are passionate and extremely knowledgable about the cars your models represent? In many cases, people who are passionate about the 1:1 cars you are representing have developed an eye for inaccuracies by default because they have studied, owned, and discussed a particular car for years. Your modelers, in thier defense, must study and get to know many cars and may miss a little something that a person or group who focuses on that particular car will pick up on very easily.

Have you ever considered posting up preproduction samples on the forums to get some feedback? I realize this may open up a business related "can of worms" and it may not be feasible for reasons that I don't understand. However, I'm sure you would get a very positive response from most of the passionate and knowledable collectors here.

With that said, I am very excited about your products, especially the new muscle line, and applaud what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work.

Skip

I agree that the term grotesque may be a bit strong, however, I also agree with the message being presented. I don't think anyone is assuming that your modelers don't know what they are doing, but what is the harm in getting feedback on pre-production samples from people who are passionate and extremely knowledgable about the cars your models represent? In many cases, people who are passionate about the 1:1 cars you are representing have developed an eye for inaccuracies by default because they have studied, owned, and discussed a particular car for years. Your modelers, in thier defense, must study and get to know many cars and may miss a little something that a person or group who focuses on that particular car will pick up on very easily.

Have you ever considered posting up preproduction samples on the forums to get some feedback? I realize this may open up a business related "can of worms" and it may not be feasible for reasons that I don't understand. However, I'm sure you would get a very positive response from most of the passionate and knowledable collectors here.

With that said, I am very excited about your products, especially the new muscle line, and applaud what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work.

Skip

Hi Skip, some of the points are valid, but grotesque? Really? Come on.

As far as preproduction samples being released before production will never happen. Part of the contract with the licensers is that we can not show any photos of tooling until it is finalized and signed off. We start with an art rendition, tooling sample, first shot (die cast) and then final production sample. Once it's is approved then and only then can we show the car. If we show it early we could be facing a fine. It even goes one step further, even if the casting is one we have done many times just with repaints every paint color or custom paint scheme must be approved before showing the car.

Thanks,
Sean

Sean: You may know more about the model car business than I do but I am better at understanding and using the English language. Don't claim that the word "grotesque" is inappropriate when describing a poorly modeled representation of a car. The first definition in my Random House dictionary of grotesque is "odd or unnatural in shape, appearance, or character". The second definition in my Webster's is "characterized by distortions or incongruities in appearance, shape, etc.; bizarre". The overly reclined "A" pillar on your '54 Dodge model certainly warrants the word. Get over it; it was not a well done model!

I wonder why the company from which Castline got the license, presumably Chrysler, failed to detect what model collectors do and approved the tooling. Perhaps they too did not notice the issue or maybe they were just too busy with other problems.

Sean, I am pleased that your company will attempt to model vehicles which have been rarely done in the past, if at all. I respect your effort to defend the company's product. But you have to be able to accept valid criticism. Objecting to an common, and I should think well understood, adjective used to describe your product seems petty to me.

Respectfully submitted - ranchero -

My opinion is that grotesque would best be used to describe cars from companies like Buby where trying to identify what the car is supposed to be is half the fun.

I remember Jeff Koch told me once that some manufacturers are extremely picky about diecasts made of their cars and others are not. Evidently Chrysler is in the later.

I used to be really picky about the castings, trying to find fault in every detail. While others were fawning all over Greenlight castings I found issues with paint jobs and poor fitting rooflines. I try not to let it bother me as much anymore. I love my Guisvals and Bubys as much as my Beads Collection Kyoshos.

Every diescast maker will make a mistake with a casting. All my other M2 castings look near perfect. I think the best we can ask is that the reps visit here, listen to us, and try to avoid similar mistakes in the future. Oh, and making a 70 grabber blue Cougar Eliminator would not be a bad idea either.;)

Grotesque seems like a word reserved for the worst of the worst.
Maybe the dictionary says it can be used for any matter of imperfection but sheez, grotesque is a little harsh. I wouldn't even call the Dodge "poor".
It may not rate excellent, but I'd give it a "good" or a good-minus.
Oh well, I think we'll all survive this Dodge controversy.
Sean, we are always happy to have you comment here. :wave:

Grotesque seems like a word reserved for the worst of the worst.
Maybe the dictionary says it can be used for any matter of imperfection but sheez, grotesque is a little harsh. I wouldn't even call the Dodge "poor".
It may not rate excellent, but I'd give it a "good" or a good-minus.
Oh well, I think we'll all survive this Dodge controversy.
Sean, we are always happy to have you comment here. :wave:

^l Stated very well 'D.Praved'.^

These are just diecast companies so some mistakes are bound to be made. Keep in mind that although these castings do cost $5 each, the company has only been in the market for a bit more than one year. M2 still has a lot of time to improve. Keep posting Sean, we like your insight.:)

Part of the contract with the licensers is that we can not show any photos of tooling until it is finalized and signed off.

Sean:

Thanks for the education. I figured there were reasons that prevent you from showing pre-production samples.

I think the best we can ask is that the reps visit here, listen to us, and try to avoid similar mistakes in the future. Oh, and making a 70 grabber blue Cougar Eliminator would not be a bad idea either.

Well said and I totally agree... except for the shameless plug for the Eliminator ;)

Grotesque seems like a word reserved for the worst of the worst.
Maybe the dictionary says it can be used for any matter of imperfection but sheez, grotesque is a little harsh. I wouldn't even call the Dodge "poor".
It may not rate excellent, but I'd give it a "good" or a good-minus.
Oh well, I think we'll all survive this Dodge controversy.
Sean, we are always happy to have you comment here. :wave:

I agree! (Also short and to the point! :) ) I'll put in my thanks to Sean too.

Sean: You may know more about the model car business than I do but I am better at understanding and using the English language. Don't claim that the word "grotesque" is inappropriate when describing a poorly modeled representation of a car. The first definition in my Random House dictionary of grotesque is "odd or unnatural in shape, appearance, or character". The second definition in my Webster's is "characterized by distortions or incongruities in appearance, shape, etc.; bizarre". The overly reclined "A" pillar on your '54 Dodge model certainly warrants the word. Get over it; it was not a well done model!

I wonder why the company from which Castline got the license, presumably Chrysler, failed to detect what model collectors do and approved the tooling. Perhaps they too did not notice the issue or maybe they were just too busy with other problems.

Sean, I am pleased that your company will attempt to model vehicles which have been rarely done in the past, if at all. I respect your effort to defend the company's product. But you have to be able to accept valid criticism. Objecting to an common, and I should think well understood, adjective used to describe your product seems petty to me.

Respectfully submitted - ranchero -

I should let this thread die, but I never said that our '54 Dodge was 100% perfect. I also looked up the definition of grotesque, and the definition does not seem as bad as just saying the name grotesque. I am not sure if it's because it is not a commonly used word in my vocabulary or others around me. To be honest I can't remember the last time I said grotesque, of course I use gross. Anyways, I learned early on from my days at Muscle Machines that you are not going to please everybody.

This thread has given me some inspiration for the '54 Dodge. I think you may just see a new paint scheme for this car later in the year. :cool:

Sean

yup,, knuff said !!!

Hey Sean.... My collection has at least one American 1/64th car for production years 1946 thru 1987.. EXCEPT 1952 ... I realize that HW has a 52 Chevy , but it's such a turd that it doesn't cut it....
My hopes and wishes are in yours, and your associates hands to see a new 52 come around eventually..
Since there hasn't been a BUICK in the Auto-Thentics lineup, you could nail two birds. A 52 Packard, or Kaiser, or Nash would work for me as well .:thumbsup:
Thanks ..

Steve

yup,, knuff said !!!

Hey Sean.... My collection has at least one American 1/64th car for production years 1946 thru 1987.. EXCEPT 1952 ... I realize that HW has a 52 Chevy , but it's such a turd that it doesn't cut it....
My hopes and wishes are in yours, and your associates hands to see a new 52 come around eventually..
Since there hasn't been a BUICK in the Auto-Thentics lineup, you could nail two birds. A 52 Packard, or Kaiser, or Nash would be work for me as well .:thumbsup:
Thanks ..

Steve


Steve,

You know I can't believe we have not done any Buick castings yet. My daily driver is 1965 Buick Sport Wagon, but it does have a Chevy in it. ;)

Sean

I should let this thread die, but I never said that our '54 Dodge was 100% perfect. I also looked up the definition of grotesque, and the definition does not seem as bad as just saying the name grotesque. I am not sure if it's because it is not a commonly used word in my vocabulary or others around me. To be honest I can't remember the last time I said grotesque, of course I use gross. Anyways, I learned early on from my days at Muscle Machines that you are not going to please everybody.

This thread has given me some inspiration for the '54 Dodge. I think you may just see a new paint scheme for this car later in the year. :cool:

Sean
Well Sean, you seem to be a great sport, dispite accusations of a limited voe-cab-you-larry and being called petty...please keep checking in, you guys are doing some great work!

- D. Generate -

Steve,

You know I can't believe we have not done any Buick castings yet. My daily driver is 1965 Buick Sport Wagon, but it does have a Chevy in it. ;)

Sean
A '65 Buick wagon would be the cats nuts fer sher, although JL just came out with that '64 Oldsnowmobile Vista witch is pretty much the same thing...howsa bouta '68 or '69 Skylard Sport Wagon? Those are some sexy and it would counter Greenlights less than perfect '69 GS.
Or any '60's full-size Wildcat or Electra 225...bring on the Buicks, I love'm!!!!

- D. Zaster -

These are in the country and we will be shipping out pre-orders on Monday, even the grotesque ones.

Have Fun,
Fred
www.1stopDiecast.com (http://www.1stopDiecast.com)

On the Buick front I would like a 1973 Buick Century fastback. Cool car for a non Caddy/Chevy GM product. I just found out my Mom had one and she asked me if I seen one (real) for sale anywhere. It was also the first year for the GS fullsize.