I propose a challenge to anyone who can run a 27t in a slash at one of the morl tracks without overheating it and I will buy them a pop. I have tried it with six or more different motors and the truck with its gear ratio, to have any speed to it, it creates to much heat, it won't work. This was at a track where the truck did not have to push through loose sand. I tried explaning this to a member of the board but apparently people who have not done it know more ? At least the titan has a fan in it. But then they will only last so long.

I propose a challenge to anyone who can run a 27t in a slash at one of the morl tracks without overheating it and I will buy them a pop. I have tried it with six or more different motors and the truck with its gear ratio, to have any speed to it, it creates to much heat, it won't work. This was at a track where the truck did not have to push through loose sand. I tried explaning this to a member of the board but apparently people who have not done it know more ? At least the titan has a fan in it. But then they will only last so long.

Kinda the point i was trying to make leonard. And no body's run the sc10 yet, so wouldnt it blow to be strapped to a motor for the season that doesnt get the job done since you cant fit the titan in the sc10.Not that I own either at this point since i was waiting to see how this was going to play out

I tried to explane this to Mr. Wood when we were at washtenah. But what do I know, I only run one every week.

i dont think it will work mixing up the trucks, one will for sure be better than the other.

i dont think it will work mixing up the trucks, one will for sure be better than the other.

Yeah, if the sc10 has to run a 27t stocker I think the slash titan combo may have the advantage.

Considering the tires they have to run, traction being limited at best, I still think it could be doable. Of course I say that without seeing the other one run, but I don't think one would blow the paint off the other one. Some of the appeal is they do slide around and I think both will .

you can get brand new titans on ebay for 15 to 18 dollars and the combo with the speed control for 50. it cant get much cheeper than that

I tried to explane this to Mr. Wood when we were at washtenah. But what do I know, I only run one every week.

dont get glum now lenny!! thell get it figured out I just hope it doesnt take a couple stockers catching fire to do it LOL.

I think it is incredibly bogus to allow a 27t and not a 17.5 anyway. Hell , they are alright with roar. Now you wanna have someone who knows how to tweak a brushed motor run against a titan you can't even open up.

I think it is incredibly bogus to allow a 27t and not a 17.5 anyway. Hell , they are alright with roar. Now you wanna have someone who knows how to tweak a brushed motor run against a titan you can't even open up.

I dont think thats even going to matter since most of the time when you do tweak a brushed stocker it's hard on them anyway, so I can see some 27t motors starting out good and being complete turds by the end of a race day trying to haul all that weight around at speed, plus factor in the added soil weight if the track is a little over watered.

Now Chad, don't confuse glum with my blunt way of speaking. I do not possess the ability to sugar coat things.:thumbsup:

Now its funny you should say that, ask John and Stan how many titans they went through at dukes in 1 race day this summer. It wasn't on purpose, but the track got over watered one round and bam, their ya have it. At least with a brushless, it could have thermaled and then been used the next round, not thrown in the trash can. And you know as well as I do that someone will tweak the motor.

On my way to the track, talk to ya later Chad

how big is the differance from the AE sc10 and the slash other than motor they both have 4 shocks and tires I have way tomany toys now or I would look in to one or the other and if they take off I may have to get one any how and would they all run the same tire that would help the motor issue

Classes: 1/10th buggy stock & mod, 1/10th truck Stock & mod, 1/10th 4WD mod, Short Course, masters (age 40+) and Novice
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1/8th Electric - This is not one of the listed classes for 2009. 6 or more will make a class. No option of running less in 2009. ROAR rules except soft packs are allowed with 30 mil lexan cover for 2009 only, hard packs required in 2010.

Very disapointed

Did notice Roar added 1/8,whatever

http://roarracing.com/downloads/Nove...ng_Minutes.pdf

I actually thought there would be 1/8 buggy and truggy?
I was planning on building a truggy. 1/8 electrics going to be huge this summer. What,s the word on truggies/6 makes a class?

Not liking hard case lipos,s
slashes Need stock and mo, whatever

vid of some bfg rip session
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjDuvlPeW4s

I'm all set for summer, I've got my stone tablet and chissle, my nimh batteries and my BRUSHED MOTOR!

One step forward, two steps back!

What is the schedule?

Has BFG been added? Still 5 races with 1 drop?

They havent even set a date to have the meeting to discuss this year yet E. No one added, no one dropped, no schedule.....

They havent even set a date to have the meeting to discuss this year yet E. No one added, no one dropped, no schedule.....

Oh thank God, I thought all this discussion about brushed esc's and brushed motors was what they came up with!

So your saying theres a chance.

So your saying theres a chance.
Like 1 in a 100? No, more like 1 in a million. :thumbsup:

There is only one rule you can count on every time, and that is, no matter what the rules are someone wont like the rules.

Run mod truck or buggie anything goes make it simple . Race what you brung
AND LAY THE POWER DOWN

http://www.marsracing.com/

Check it out. Some rules have been added.
Too bad they didn't change the age for Masters, they are just gonna lose Out. I know racers that do not want to run Stock anymore but are just shy in age to run Masters. Like REVO said not everyone will like the rules......

I have raced nothing but a Slash since they came out last June. As Leonard mentioned earlier, we have tried pretty much every motor combination in an attempt to provide options while keeping the "spec" class.

First of all, if a Titan gets beat by a 17.5 I guarantee you that they got beat by a better driver not a faster truck. If you are willing to allow the 27T Brushed motor there is really no logical reason not to allow the ROAR approved 17.5 brushless equivilent from a competition standpoint.

If cost is the concern, the Novak Havoc system can be had for $150 at Tower, minus whatever discount they are running (currently $20 on a $150 order.) If you buy a new Titan for each series race (which you will have to do if you want to be competitive) you will spend at least $100 or more. You can spend $30 more on a brushless system that will outlast 10 Titans. When you talk about running a Titan vs. a 17.5 Brushless, you are talking a pay me now or pay me later scenario. You get way more for your money running brushless. If someone doesn't have the money to buy brushless or doesn't want to, they are still not at a disadvantage, actually they have an advantage.

Why penalize someone who wants to go slower and save money? Makes no sense to me.

We will continue to allow Titan, 27T and 17.5 in the Slash "spec" class at BFG. That is my input on the topic and I will leave it at that.

I am curious, of the people who posted the rules for the short course class trucks, how many of them have drivin one (besides Fish) and driven a slash with a 27 turn? I am willing to guess I already know the answer.

I am still amused on the same page of rules they quote 27t and 17.5's as roar stock motors that will run together but in a sc truck 27t only.

The details for 2009

Short Course has been added:
Thanks to the Slash a new class in offroad has emerged to be very popular as well as affordable. The Shourt Course class has been added to MORL's events for 2009. This class is for the Slash as well as the SC10. If other manufactures bring out other trucks, we will have to look at them on an individual basis.

For the 2009 Season:

Classes: 1/10th buggy stock & mod, 1/10th truck Stock & mod, 1/10th 4WD mod, Short Course, masters (age 40+) and Novice.

Have to have 6 entries to run the class.

Masters - ROAR legal stock, 19T or brushless 13.5+

Novice - Run what you brung but may not have competed in more than 3 series races in any prior season. If you run novice, you may not run any other class that day.

Entry Fee: $20 for the first class, $10 each additional class, $10 Novice.

No handout stock - ROAR legal stock or 17.5+ brushless.

ROAR legal batteries - LiPo is legal



I read this on the web site. Just my thoughts here, without a super stock class your going to greatly reduce the number of entries at each event. I (and many others) wont run a stock class ever. Many of us like to run super stock because we can also enter that same vehicle in mod class and run the same motor.

Also, no 1/8th scale? That seems to be another class that is growing quickly. I am sure there was a great deal of thought put into this and we do not know all the background behind the decisions that were made, but I think your leaving a great number of racers without a class to run. Just myself for example, if I show up to a race I will end up running only one or two classes, mod truck and mod buggy. If you had super stock, I would run three or four classes. Lots of revenue being thrown out. At least the races wont need a second day in order to be completed. :thumbsup:

As I stated before, there is always going to be rules that people dont like, thats all part of the game.

I understand the need for rules and agree that you can't make everyone happy . I do how ever have to question both 17.5's and 27t's ok together in one class and not another. If they are the same, they are the same, it should not matter what vehicle it is in. How many new people that have never raced before do you think are going to show up with a slash anyway to run this series? A few at the most. If they have never raced before, isn't that what the novice class is for? It's run what ya brung in that anyway.

people are going to be mad about not getting to run all the cars they have but look at all the rc cars there are to race and as long as we buy them losi-traxxas-ofna-ac-hpi ect are goins to sell them i think we need to be thankfull!!!!! there are people willing to spend there time to put on a race for us to go to so pick one or two go to the track have fun thank the people thank the track owners and everyone or we all maybe runing our cars up and down our driveways thinking sure wish i had some were to race like oldtimes

There has never been a SS class at MARS/MORL. I run my 13.5 in mod class and in all but the largest tracks (Stateline) I have found it is about as much as I want to handle and have been in the A main a number of times.... the motor isn't holding me back but my driving. IMHO, a SS class would just dilute the other classes.

In the end, the classes are set. They won't change now. When the Slash and 1/8 scale classes die during the year (I do hold more hope for a successful 1/8 scale then Slash with the current rules) then that is what will happen.

what would be interesting is if only 5 Novice racers show up. Are they going to say "sorry kids, you can't race because there are only 5 of you"?

There has never been a SS class at MARS/MORL.

Sure there has, it's just called masters ,and you have to be over 40 to run it:rolleyes:I am sure all the guys under 40 can appreciate the fact that we have 2-3 heats of masters in a race day ,but not enough time for a legitimate roar class like SS.:cool:

Masters used to be 27T stock motors until brushless motors. There still has never been a SS class in Truck or Buggy class. If we go by ROAR classes there should also be a stock and SS 4WD class and eliminate the Masters, Slash and Novice classes . But then MORL is not a ROAR event so what classes ROAR has has no bearing on what they offer.

I dont have any problem with other classes but it will take longer to get passed tech befor and after races with the spec stuff and I would hate to be the one doing tech for them too

Boy, am I glad I don't have make the rules to satisfy all you children.

And I say children....... because that is what your acting like.



If you don't like the rules, DON'T PLAY.

Well said gh! :)

No one ever said it would be easy.

ahhh once the first race gets going all will be be good again

ahhh once the first race gets going all will be be good again

Ahh Yes.... Litchfield. Can't Wait!!!!!!!!!

I am really new to all this racing and stuff so forgive my ignorance, but will the correct weight numbers actually be used in tech this year?

Last year the weight rules pretty much got thrown out the window.(Even after it was brought up) I do think everyone especially Buggy know what I am talking about.

I know exactly what you are talking about.2wd buggies were weighed in last year at 3.05lbs as it was written on the scales.when they should have weighed 1499g or 3lb 4.78 oz. or darn close to 3.5lbs.So there were some buggies that were running almost 1/4lb underweight.2wd trucks should weeigh in at 60 oz, or 3lbs 12 oz. , but we were running correct weight in that class so just thought I would throw that out there.Just wanted to add that some of us still ran legal weight even though it wasnt being enforced so if there was an issue it wouldnt cause problems.By the way, LOL @ rustyw for the new to racing comment!!sarcasm can be so funny!

Rusty!!!!!

I know exactly what you are talking about.2wd buggies were weighed in last year at 3.05lbs as it was written on the scales.when they should have weighed 1499g or 3lb 4.78 oz. or darn close to 3.5lbs.

This was an issue last year with how the card there was marked and how the scale read. The sacle would read 305. What most missed was 305 = 3LB 05oz. The weight card most saw was showing what the scale would read to make weight. So 305 was not 3.05 lb that would be under weight. I personly changed the card to properly show it once I found out the concern on it.

I just can't wait to get out there by the track and take some pictures of your vehicles (whatever they may be) flying around the corners and in the air! :thumbsup: Also to capture a few impressive Marshalling pics!!! As Revo said you will never make everyone happy. When I saw the "new" Novice rule my son said right away that it was changed because of him running in Novice and buggy last year. My sarcasm was,"We paid the money for both classes and you lost in both right?" I know I know sarcasm isn't the answer. He got the experience for this year running with "The Big Dogs" in buggy so he will not be overwhelmed this year by the competition. Just my 2 cents and no you can all keep the change. LOL Momma Duck:wave:

P.S. Hank I sure wish I would have had the camera ready at Gobles when you ummm well you know what you did with your tires and your radio! LOL ;)

P.S.S. You all need to remember that Fish was new to the board last year and trust me he dealt with a lot of issues while he was busy announcing and working on his own multiple entries. He is doing his best to keep all complaints and comments in mind when he goes to these meetings. Unfortunately he is only one voice and a new member to boot. So don't nibble on the hand that is trying to feed you!

You might be surprised who is lurking, Duck.

Just because they don't post, doesn't mean they don't see these forums.

You might be surprised who is lurking, Duck.

Just because they don't post, doesn't mean they don't see these forums.

:thumbsup: Trust me,I know all about lurking! If I was ashamed or embarrassed by my post I would not have said it. For those that know me they know that it was just my 2 cents. I am just as guilty as everyone else of throwing up my arms and getting my (pardon the pun) feathers all ruffled up. I am an avid bowler and can relate to the frustrations of changes in a sport or hobby. I am looking at having to get yet another $200.00 bowling ball just to finish this bowling season because the owner has forgotten that you actually need to put oil in the lane machine.

All in all the rules are not complete and I think the thing to remember is that at the end of the season several of you attended a very nice banquet and walked away with nice trophies and door prizes. Let the dust settle and see what happens.;)

No one ever said we don't appreciate what these fellas do. It is a great series, great prizes, and great peopleand great times. But that does not mean we are not intitled to question something. The point of discussion forums is to discuss. :thumbsup:

Exactly duck.Some of us are not whining or b*$#hing,But just throwing out our .02 on subjects that's all.None are great issues to me.Obviously I didnt even know that the weight issue was changed after the first couple races since I knew i was running legal anyway. I for one am gratefull fish does stop in here and post to let us know what is going on so we can prepare for the upcoming season.Much nicer than showing up at the first race blind like in years past for sure!!

I just hope we have more racers with out rain.

I want the racers with rain to stay home! ;)

hank be nice to me I cant help my bad spelling