Just a FYI, at some point we would love to be able to put more than 10 in a heat but we don’t have the AMB 20, so currently we don’t have the option, but we might sometime in the future.

Is an AMB20 required when using Personal Transponders? Are there ever more then 10 house transponders in use at one time. I had thought that a single race could have unlimited number of cars if personal transponders were used? I could be wrong.

its a program upgrade from b&b. i dont think its very much. or go to score pro it does 20 cars and is an awsome program to use.

ALSO we will be running E-1/8th scales at the rc pro series race in two weeks, we are doing a track rebuild now and the scale guys will NOT be disapointed.

Well it is a classic example of being "burdoned" by success. The more folks who particpate, including multiple classes each person, the larger the program will be, more heats, more classes (1/8 scale electric for example, only last year it was more or less an exhibition class, whereas now its multiple heats at times)...

If we were analyzing supply vs demand vs capacity, it would be Economics 101 - raise prices to "optimize" production vs time. But, the idea is to increase participation (it could be said), and that wouldn't help AT ALL (raising prices).

All in all it seems a few basic things would go along way to keeping particpation up and folks happy (1) limit to 2 rounds of qualifiying (especially with rain delay and large turnout), (2) the MORL folks should upgrade the software so more could run in each heat (seems minimal cost), and (3) the MORL folks should put their collective feet down RE stricter heat turn around schedule (it seems a perfect opportunity to teach new folks how to operate within the program).

After that, at some point folks will need to decide what level they wish to particpate. But in the end, it is what is is.

The Washtenaw Program suffers the same participation driven constraints both with registration numbers and heat turnaround times. At the end of the day, the folks who want to be there are, and the folks who don't, aren't.

It would seem a few structural improvements such as mentioned above (and by others) would clean up about 75 % of the issues folks are concerned about.

I for one will "go with the flow" - I'm happy with it all in whatever form it takes.

(I AM known to be a little eccentric)

Glenn, would you beleive that just 2 years ago we saw UNDER 100 entries at a couple of races?Those of us that have run the series for years have seen the #'s go up and down, and now Back up, WAY up.I for one love it. The higher the #'s the more top notch competition there is,thus it actually means something to make the A.Many of us have said for years they need to stick to the 2 minute rule for racing and marshalling.I understand the fear of losing an entry at the next race if someone gets docked a lap , or misses a race due to being late, but ultimately some folks will learn to pull the thumb instead of point the finger in those circumstances.I say with the attendance nearing those #'s we saw in the 90's, the belt should be tightened to keep things on schedule for everybody's sake.I say If the enties are 150+ it should be an automatic 2 and a main, 150 and under do 3 and a main if time allows.:thumbsup:

I don't buy the number of racers is too high thing. I can remember a time when several tracks had over 300 entries and we were normally done by 11:00 or so.

The time thing at Stateline was mostly from waiting for half a day to start the race due to rain. Delays? Yes, but the late late night was mostly due to the rain delay.

It's pretty sad that people are so pissy about running one and a main. Truth is it's going to take some one falling asleep at the wheel on the way home to change how people think. Next time you guys get the big attitude about late races think about your friends a little. Anyone who has ever seen the result of a driver falling asleep (my brother) or drunk driving (in front of my parents place) doesn't want to drive tired or late at night when the drunks are out.

Is an AMB20 required when using Personal Transponders? Are there ever more then 10 house transponders in use at one time. I had thought that a single race could have unlimited number of cars if personal transponders were used? I could be wrong.

The AMB20 isn't suppose to handle personal, the AMBrc is though. AT Gobles we have the AMB20 and the program will allow up to 20 but the decoder we have won't

Fred B, we could always ask Adam's dad what it is like (I belive he was talking about a diff race though, but still).


My Dad did fall asleep at the wheel at 4am on the way home from a race(a race that went way too long) and had an accident. He's lucky he lived and no one else was hurt.



Although the way I see it, $20 isn't all that much, but the way everyone is now there is no point in trying to say it would be better to run 1 heat and a main. Really maybe if it came down to that we should get a refund of $5 per round we don't run (for the first class), so really we should be paying $15 for 2 rounds and a main based on that (you can figure out the rest for a 2nd class on).

Really though $20 is only $5 more then what most track charge for local racing for the first class. Most of the time you will only be there for maybe 6 hours at the most. Then you have to keep in mind some places charge for pratice as well, so say you go there durring the week you might also have to pay $5 just to pratice, and last I checked it is free for all day pratice on friday. So whatever if everyone wants to cry about everything instead of looking into the what is truly best for everyone so be it. After all last I checked RC racing should be fun, not less cry about this because I don't like it, etc.

Also the RC pro entry fee is $45 first class, and 30 for each class after, so why is $20 a lot of money?

And it seems like it is point less to say it might just be better to make the races 2 days instead.

in both my heats i raced back 2 back.
I also marsheld probably 20times.
I vote 4 2 day race :
sat:2 heats
sun:1 heat and the main.

I don't like the idea of 2 day races. No reason we can't just do 2 heats and a main in one day. These tracks are alot closer to you guys than me with the exception of Stateline.. I like spending Sunday with my kids. Work hard all week, play Sat., and rest Sunday i say. I don't like to see peeps including myself driving many hrs home in the middle of the night after a long day of racing 3 heats and a main. Due to having 200+ entries I'm happy with just 2 heats and a main if it means a shorter day.

well were sup to have 3 heats and a main.

well were sup to have 3 heats and a main.

The Washtenaw Program managed 3 heats and a Main with 200+ entries (typically 22 or 23 heats total), but also when the timing didn't click like clock-work it was usually a Midnight+ adventure. Typically around 1:00 AM. There was time for planned out regular track maintenance every night too.

It can be done.

The funny thing was most of the younger folks jumped right back out onto the track for more practice and playing after the regular program concluded. They just couldn't get enough...

on the money side as a old racer coming back iwould agree with tdevil that it would not be worth the drive or time to only get to race twice becouse we all know gas will go back up and when it hits that $4 dol per again for me to go to a race i would be looking at $60 dollars in entry fees for my son and i 2 classes each and them another $100 or so in gas say $5o for food and snacks throw in a couple unexpecteds and your talking $250 for a 2 race program i think i would rather just stay in gr and donate some of that to the track i run at and do our own point/trophy season. as for the races running late in the late 80's if you were not at the line on time you mist your start as it should be these days people spend way to much time worrying everybodys feelings you cant please everybody all the time and if you loose some whiners becouse they spent to much time chit chatting instead of making sure they were ready to race on time so what im not a nascar fan but i bet they dont hold a race for someone who didnt get ready in time and as for the driving late at night to tired to stay awake if your not smart enough to realize you need to stop a get a room or just take a nap stay home or as it gets late and you have to be home in the morning make a smart choice and forfeit your mian in order to save your life and possibly the person you would kill by falling asleep at the wheel REMEMBER THIS SUPOSED TO BE FUN

next race no rain....we will be talking about outher things...its all the rains falt...

I love racing...

... I hate rain

See you guys in Flint or where ever PR is.

I love racing...

... I hate rain

See you guys in Flint or where ever PR is.

I'm still editing, trying to put the whole program on one vid...

including the rain.

It seems the rain is the underlying story, as seems to be for MORL racing so far this year.

Any info on when results will be posted?

Results are posted. Points likely next week.

I would have liked a two day program too, but I had a good tim the way it was.
I drove 4.5hrs and did not leave until 2am as I was in the last main.
Good times!!

Results are posted. Points likely next week.

Awsome Fish, less than a week, you are #1

The HandyRacing coverage of the Stateline race day is now posted...

here (http://blog.handyracing.com/2009/07/30/midwest-offroad-racing-league-2009--stateline-race-action.aspx)

As time allows I may break out each Main as stand alone vids, not sure yet. In the meantime I set it up as one long vid so I can try and make a DVD out of it with menu chapters for each race...

I have a few typos to clean up, but let us know what you think. Thanks.

Nice job Handy!

Results are posted. Points likely next week.

Thanks Fish,
I tried to open it at work and it says it as an error and that the file is damaged and can not be repaired... Am I the only one with this problem, or can anybody else open the file correctly?

Thanks,
Mike

I can see the results, but the swamp pic is still in place for the points.

Thanks, Losi Duck.

The points have not been posted yet, Ken likely will calculate them this weekend.

Mike, are you using IE. I know FireFox will not open it. The software I use to do the web pages is optimised for IE only.

The points have not been posted yet, Ken likely will calculate them this weekend.

Mike, are you using IE. I know FireFox will not open it. The software I use to do the web pages is optimised for IE only.

Actually it is IE at work, but I guess they had an issue with acrobat and it is fixed now... I was able to open it... No issues...

Thanks,
Mike

Does anybody that raced at Pheasant Run before know if they have food there or do you bring your own or is there something close by?

bring some my first time was last year nothing seemed close

Does anybody that raced at Pheasant Run before know if they have food there or do you bring your own or is there something close by?

I think that they had a grill going last year. Since I do not race I drove about 15 mins a way and got food for our group. There is a McDonald's and a Subway close by. I hope this helps answer your question.
Tonia

I had my owen food (gold fish)

Nick or Fish, when is the banquet I need to plain a few things in October and the sooner I know the better thanks.

Thanks

does any one know what the track is going to look like this year

Scott, give me a call.

does any one know what the track is going to look like this year

Few jumps,few left and right turns,and sum straits with bumps!HA!!!!:thumbsup:

Few jumps,few left and right turns,and sum straits with bumps!HA!!!!:thumbsup:

blaz you did not see last years track little straits big jumps and big blind spots

blaz you did not see last years track little straits big jumps and big blind spots

Last year's track layout is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toTOj7sthcE

We haven't been able to visit this year (yet).

The write up I did at the time is here:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7929498/anchors_7929498/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#7929498

Points are now posted!

Points are now posted!

LOOKS LIKE WE GOT SOME GOOD BATTLES GOING ON....:thumbsup:

This years track is last years track except they run it backwards, there is a good HD video of the 1/8 A main from the FTMS series a few months ago floating around here some place

This years track is last years track except they run it backwards, there is a good HD video of the 1/8 A main from the FTMS series a few months ago floating around here some place

run backwards cool maybe I can pick up the laps a drop last year:thumbsup:

Scott Brady you have a PM.

LOOKS LIKE WE GOT SOME GOOD BATTLES GOING ON....:thumbsup:


Yes we do, lol, I love the competiton!!

I love the smell of lipo's in the morning!! lol

I prefer the smell of coffeee in the morning, its cheaper,,,, Napalm on the other hand,,,,,,,,,

Yes we do, lol, I love the competiton!!

I love the smell of lipo's in the morning!! lol

I know we are not past Pheasant Run yet, but I want to get this information out there so people can plan ahead.

A heads up for the end of the month. We will be having two MORL warm up races at BFG on Saturday August 29 and Saturday September 5.

Program will start at 11:00 and we will run 3 heats and the mains. We will run it just like the MORL program with 5 minute heats and mains and 2 minutes between heats. This will be a "dry" run for us as well as giving the racers some track time. We want to figure out just exactly how to run the track for the actual race. Plan right now is to run the track dry with no watering and blow it off between each heat (just like we did for the Region 5 race last fall.) That could change depending on the feedback we get during these two races.

Entry fee for these races will be $12 for first class and $5 for second classes. We will also be awarding our usual Battle Front Bucks (can be used to pay for race fees and snacks at BFG) in heats with 6 or more. If you come out both days, you can race for half price (first and second classes) on September 5

See everybody at Pheasant Run between now and then.:thumbsup:

I know we are not past Pheasant Run yet, but I want to get this information out there so people can plan ahead.

A heads up for the end of the month. We will be having two MORL warm up races at BFG on Saturday August 29 and Saturday September 5.

Program will start at 11:00 and we will run 3 heats and the mains. We will run it just like the MORL program with 5 minute heats and mains and 2 minutes between heats. This will be a "dry" run for us as well as giving the racers some track time. We want to figure out just exactly how to run the track for the actual race. Plan right now is to run the track dry with no watering and blow it off between each heat (just like we did for the Region 5 race last fall.) That could change depending on the feedback we get during these two races.

Entry fee for these races will be $12 for first class and $5 for second classes. We will also be awarding our usual Battle Front Bucks (can be used to pay for race fees and snacks at BFG) in heats with 6 or more. If you come out both days, you can race for half price (first and second classes) on September 5

See everybody at Pheasant Run between now and then.:thumbsup:

Glad you posted John!! Us out of towners have a ?? or 2.Is there camping on site for the morl race at BFG? If not, is there a campground nearby??

hey chad you going up for any of the practice races?? I may run up there for some test time my self

Guys there is a brand new layout at the runn,just in time for the morl race

it is fast,easy,and fun

hope you guys like it.

see ya on the 22nd
al

thanks AL love the easy part....

hey chad you going up for any of the practice races?? I may run up there for some test time my self
Dont know scott, I may just to get my set-ups dialed in for there.

Guys there is a brand new layout at the runn,just in time for the morl race

it is fast,easy,and fun

hope you guys like it.

see ya on the 22nd
al

easy for me would all straits and small jump but I will run the best I can I am good at testing marsaling skills or seeing if they are still awake for the other drivers:thumbsup: