roy, i been saying that from day 1, but the spec class guys want no part of that.Anyway problem is not the 2 classes deal, but that the losi truck doesnt fit 'through the box' for tech so to speak since it's too long on both wheelbase and overall length.I dont think it will matter too awefull much any way for this season since the release date is late august the soonest we would see one is race 5 at BFG. And that's if the release doesnt get pushed back.I actually hope they allow them in either class.The more the merrier!

I can understand if it's too long for the box (roar rules) but who cares its all about the Fun Right.

exactly. Like i said man.I really do hope they allow them just because These trucks are 100% fun, so the more the merrier.

I say let it race, as I don't seen the SC class having factoy backed drivers (like Cav., Tebo, etc) so the more guys to race with the better. Although the fact is, it isn't legal based on the roar rules so with that in mind that means it really isn't legal, and that might cause some people to cry as it isn't truly legal for the class.

I still say let it race in with the SC class, as it will be better if say there is more guys to race with. Although like said we might not see any this season anyways.

ah men! Lets have some fun and Race a lot! :thumbsup:

I think its a big track and very cool. The jumps might be rather large for stock setups but so what, that just means folks need to drive different, more challenging.

(and maybe a challenge is a good thing)

I'm editing the vid from last weekend's (Thurs / Fri) practice at Stateline, hope to post later today...

(I have no idea where the Jones vids are, wish I knew)



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I'm editing the vid from last weekend's (Thurs / Fri) practice at Stateline, hope to post later today...

(I have no idea where the Jones vids are, wish I knew)

Oh no... So i am assuming no end of the year video with all the tracks.

Ok Guys and Gals I know that I took photos at Jones last month and I will find out from Don/Ducky where they went to. I just checked our Photobucket account and did not see them there. I am sorry to be just now realizing this, I take them so that you sweet peeps can see your vehicles and see some of the awesome paint jobs. I just don't want y'all thinking I was just shooting blank photos (or had the lens cover on all day). I will be at Stateline also with the camera. Looking at the track pictures I am thinking tri-pod and BIG lens this time! LOL I take pictures at any event we go to so if you were there with us and wish to see the pictures here is the link and just look through the albums.
http://s352.photobucket.com/albums/r330/LOSI_Duck/
once again sorry to be just now realizing this. Tonia/Momma Duck:wave:

http://s352.photobucket.com/albums/r330/LOSI_Duck/Jones%20MORL%202009/
Here they are!!!!!!

So, Stateline really needs to fix the south double. You know the one that's just about impossible in stock. Not the double that got "fixed" that was fine to begin with. The big one that is pretty much rediculous for stock.

So, Stateline really needs to fix the south double. You know the one that's just about impossible in stock. Not the double that got "fixed" that was fine to begin with. The big one that is pretty much rediculous for stock.

I don't imagine too many Slashes would make it either (clearing the South double). I figured a roll thru it would be the only option.

I have a vid of it, with some pics, will try and post yet this evening.

Oh no... So i am assuming no end of the year video with all the tracks.

Due to video file size issues and CD or DVD capacity, the only feasible option is to have a per race day type thing. Putting the entire season on one is just not possible. What I wanted to do was have each race available at the following event but it isn't working out so well. Plus, production costs (time) for quantities is not so good if they dont sell. SO the easiest ting is to just burn a few ata time as folks ask for them. I havent given up on the project yet.

The fellow who has the vids is / has always been a reliable project partner for quite a while and a stand up guy. It they aren't posted there's a good reason. Part of the problem has been that Ive been very busy with work, and my personal cell phone had a stroke and I'm not using my work cell for personal calls. I will try and call on the land line and find out what's going on.

Don't give up yet...

nice pics !!

we can re pipe and leave that section completly out

you dont need to repipe.
its all about the challeng!!!
leave it the way it is...

I was at the FTR race this past weekend. It will seperate the men from the boys in stock. It is possible in Stock Truck. I did it..... Not every lap but if you get a good run @ it. It's all or nothing. Kevin Please leave it. Slash / SC10 you will have to roll it. unless you have the motor, mine couldn't do it. I tried it in the main... Track was awesome even after the mini monsoon that went thru in the morning.
Kevin the layout is perfect......

My vote is leave it (the South double). I prefer the "out of the ordinary challenge" of having to slow down and negotiate the tougher section of the course.

we can re pipe and leave that section completly out

Do whatever you like, I'll work on clearing it anyways. The point for me is that most will not be able to do the jump in stock and it's not very good to race on. You can't even see your car if you roll the jump.

All that I would recommend is to make the south double either shorter for the MORL or less distance from the first jump to the second. The other jump that sucks is the table top (the doubles that were filled in). The second jump really screws things up and would be better if i was mellowed out.

Seeing cars busted in half is a bad thing and we saw that at the factory tracks race with racers that can actually drive. The rain didn't help but it's not like you could control that.

on the big double on the south side why couldnt you make a wood bridge over the openingthe fast car will clear it and the slow ones can just cross and it would not have to go all the way from tube to tube ether

sorry the racing sucked so bad, we will try to make it better

No one said the racing sucked, the track is just too much for some 1/10 classes. A few small modifications will not only make it more fun for slower classes, but will also save on broken parts for the others.

we have two weeks, we will try to get it better

Just leave it. Just because there is a jump there doesnt mean you have to clear it as long as it can be rolled, and that can be rolled.Besides , it's not like the mod guys wont clear everything out there anyway.

The Stateline practice vid is compiling...

In the meantime this is the Southern double jump...

http://xc1.xanga.com/acff477147035249060965/m197570238.jpg

another view, from the driver's stand:

http://xe8.xanga.com/b40f447152635249061379/m197570604.jpg

This is the double that was filled in?

http://x29.xanga.com/20df464369632249061746/m197570933.jpg

This is the large double (sort of a shallow triple):

http://x6a.xanga.com/6d9f327062531249061121/m197570381.jpg

another view, from the driver's stand:

http://x9b.xanga.com/c4ef247a66733249061505/m197570723.jpg

The other jump that sucks is the table top (the doubles that were filled in). The second jump really screws things up and would be better if i was mellowed out.


Your kidding right, Kyle was clearing that with his sc10 without even trying.
Also Kevin was clearing it with an old Slash that had little motor.

Putting the entire season on one is just not possible.

I never said it had to be on 1 disk.

I would be happy buying the season on 5 disks.

Hell, Id buy it if it was 5 races on 40 disks.:freak:

I never said it had to be on 1 disk.

I would be happy buying the season on 5 disks.

Hell, Id buy it if it was 5 races on 40 disks.:freak:

Thanks.

: )

(Our original project for the Washtenaw Season taught us a lot about the production effort required. We did the second half of the season, turned out to be 50 sets of 3 disks)

I appreciate the interest, we'll do something, just not sure yet what.

Our little practicing adventure vid is posted at

www.MySpace.com/HandyRacing

Click on videos.

(no 10 minute vid length limit on the MySpace page)

Your kidding right, Kyle was clearing that with his sc10 without even trying.
Also Kevin was clearing it with an old Slash that had little motor.

I was also at the FT race this weekend, finished 2nd in Stock Truck, I could not make it, the guy who won could not make it, 1 guy out of all the stock trucks could clear it a couple of times early in the race..... It would make the racing closer if at least half the field could clear it....... Just to be clear this is the double on the South side of the track near the low spot on in the pit area...... Maybe the Slash guy with the little motor should run stock truck!!!!! LOL!!!

I was also at the FT race this weekend, finished 2nd in Stock Truck, I could not make it, the guy who won could not make it, 1 guy out of all the stock trucks could clear it a couple of times early in the race..... It would make the racing closer if at least half the field could clear it....... Just to be clear this is the double on the South side of the track near the low spot on in the pit area...... Maybe the Slash guy with the little motor should run stock truck!!!!! LOL!!!


Oh no, I was referring to Freds post about the double that was filled in.
He said it was not good and I was trying to understand what he meant.

As far as the south jump, I could clear it with 1/8th scale but not with 13.5.
Kyle could JUST make it with a 10.5 but not consistently. He broke his chassis, rear shock tower and
bottom plate on his 5th lap.
NOTE: that was on a dry track.

If there was a bridge or the landing area was moved much closer than all would be solved but that area is for drainage so filling it in wont work. That is where Kevin drives the tractor in.



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we will try to move it closer and maybe lower at the landing

Don't try to hard.... ha ha

I posted a review of Stateline here (http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8930395/anchors_8930395/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#8930395)

I'll grab the html and post it in a few other places as well, hopefully we can make LOTS of noise for our program...

G

Oh no, I was referring to Freds post about the double that was filled in.
He said it was not good and I was trying to understand what he meant.
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The problem with the double that was filled in is that if you catch the rear end on the jump it's a pretty violent landing. This was one of the spots that was breaking cars.

The rain didn't do the track any favors last weekend and that might have been part of the problem. The only two jumps that I had problems with were the big double and the table top thing.

Really you have to race smart, so if you know it is hard to make the jump the you make a wider line to see if that helps, or if it is a table top you just land on the table top instead of down siding to keep some speed up. And if there is a gap a simple rolling over it will be just as fast once you learn the art of it as if done right you can keep the speed heading up to it, and only loose a little through that section.


Also on a side note, I really don't like tracks that have a gap that every one can clear without learning how to change their line, as then it is just point a shoot type racing. Although the racing will be close, it to me just is lacking a little over all.

Don't get me wrong it is nice when everyone can make a part of the track with out issues, but there are times in racing you need to know how to drive your car to the track not what drive B is doing as skill, set-up, and power can chage the line you take. Not only that but there are times that there could be more then one fast line, then it just comes down to which one you want to take that lap. After all this is racing, not play on the track for a few mins (if that was the case then it would be a flat feild so no one can break as long as they stay in the painted lines).

I'm on record earlier for not altering it to make it easier...

We in the buildings engineering biz (as well as others) sometimes say, "if it was easy, everyone would do it"

You just have to race on it to understand...

There's a difference between challenging and destroying equipment. Some pretty well known drivers had cars that were well, slightly second hand last weekend. You can't just "pop the whole rear end back on".

No, I didn't break but many did.

The problem with the double that was filled in is that if you catch the rear end on the jump it's a pretty violent landing. This was one of the spots that was breaking cars.

The rain didn't do the track any favors last weekend and that might have been part of the problem. The only two jumps that I had problems with were the big double and the table top thing.

Glad to see something I helped change give so many a challenge.:thumbsup:Glad I could help out.

You just have to race on it to understand...

There's a difference between challenging and destroying equipment. Some pretty well known drivers had cars that were well, slightly second hand last weekend. You can't just "pop the whole rear end back on".

No, I didn't break but many did.

Fred, we haven't spoken very much, but I know who are and that you're one of the best...

(we cross paths at Nick's now and then)

My point is that it is an 1/8 scale track, and I'm not sure we should "call for it to modified into something it isn't" just to run 1/10 scale stock.

At least it seems simple for the Slash and SC10, I say drive smart, slow down and roll jumps that are too big. For stock buggies and stadium trucks, on the one hand same thing, on the other hand if some simple changes can be made, well - I'll defer to the consensus.

But, I'm uncomfortable for the same reasons I smiled when people whined about the loose sand at Jones, and the various other times a track isn't groomed perfect.

Folks need to be able to adapt and finish. Is the better driver the guy who runs in front for 4 of 5 minutes, pushes it and then breaks on a long jump in the last minute, or the guy who drives smart and finishes the race?

OK enough
:beatdeadhorse:

It's pretty obvious that the Stateline guys actually care about getting the track to work with 10th scale cars for these races. That's why they changed a couple of things before the Factory Tracks race. Everything can be put back after the electric races for the 8th guys. At the end of the day, this is a predominantly 10th scale race and the tracks should work for the majority of the vehicles that run the entire series.

It's pretty easy to say just roll it until you're the middle of the A kind of guy and suddenly you're in the B because some of the guys that will "go for it" get lucky and finish a run.

I'm pretty much done with this whole deal. Either fix it and have happy racers or don't and see how bad the stock racing turns out.

More driving tips! Some day I hope to be like Hersheysquirts and pwn with my sc10!!!!

After the Morr race I think they are going rebuild the track and get it ready for the RCPro race Aug.7-8

OK enough
:beatdeadhorse:

Well, let's be honest, I would be the guy in the back anyway...

: )

Like I said above - "I'll defer to the consensus"

Kevin, or who ever can answer. What is the motor limit for the Enduro Race Friday Night, open class?

17.5 roar rules sc class I do beleive nick.

17.5 roar rules sc class I do beleive nick.

that would be correct titan for the slash class and 17.5 for the others

Mario Kart is coming for you Nick and Murdogg

that would be correct titan for the slash class and 17.5 for the others

and 1 mandatory pit stop (battery swap), and driver change so both drivers get at least 10 min. of wheel time right??

Mario Kart is coming for you Nick and Murdogg

Are you and fred running russ???

Clarifying...

Is there going to be a Slash oval, and separately an SC oval - Slash running Titan and SC runing stock motors?

Can the Slash(s) run with the SC(s) if we put a stock motor in it / them?

(like is done in the regular offroad races)