lets see how this works out

please keep all the comments about this on one thread http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=221111&page=22

lets see how this works out

110F Max

OR

+10F ONLY if ALL cars need to be in tech 1 full race before ***

*** LIPO Temp checked just before going out on the track (car sitting in tech for a good 5 minutes) ... those that heated their lipo packs then froze the pack for tech will run at high risk since sitting the pack unattended will heat up the pack back.

Reverse marshalling would make it easy, instead of marshalling race after if we have to marshall the race before every racer will have to be in tech a full run before they're up ... bring your car to tech and let it sit for the entire run in a secure unattended area ... then tech will temp your pack just before giving your car back.

+10F is meant so NOBODY will heat up their pack ... and if you don't intentionally heat up the pack it will NEVER be over +10F ... even when discharged at 35A then charged at 12A ... and let it rest for 10 minutes it'll never go over +10F.

Steve.

Set it too 110 if its over ... You dont run that qualifier ... Same with Voltage... You dont run .. I got caught at Ovalmasters to high on voltage and missed that qualifier ...

Leave the packs alone... Heating them and over charging LiPo packs are just asking for a fire... Then the racer will blame the battery at being at fault....

110 just like on-road..................

polls never work on here we have some people on here voting who not even going to the birds.......

mike has put the rules out a longtime ago and should stick with what he wanted

next he will start having people sending him e mail saying what heat they will be in just so they dont have to race with dave pull:p

that could be fair

Set it too 110 if its over ... You dont run that qualifier ... Same with Voltage... You dont run .. I got caught at Ovalmasters to high on voltage and missed that qualifier ...


are you sayin you were cheatin:confused: if so you should have been DQd and sent packing. same should happen at every race

i hope our off road track does not have this problem

next he will start having people sending him e mail saying what heat they will be in just so they done have to race with dave pull:p



I race with davepull here in florida , quick send the e-mail .......:p;) ......j/k.

Keep a SHARP eye where rec packs wires route..I have seen tire warmer pads used as on board heating pads..;)

are you sayin you were cheatin:confused: if so you should have been DQd and sent packing. same should happen at every race

I THINK HE WAS JUST AT 8.45, EVEN IN SNOWBIRDS RULES YOU GET ONE LUCKY DOG PASS

i hope our off road track does not have this problem

yeah cause .10 of a volt is really going to do something for you on an offroad track:rolleyes:

Yes i was over not intentionally... But rules are rules...I didnt run first Qual...


are you sayin you were cheatin:confused: if so you should have been DQd and sent packing. same should happen at every race

looks pretty cut and dry

Using the 10 above charge method, what happens if I am charging in a 80 degree room and tech is in a 70 degree area? Would I not all ready be 10 over with normal heat of the charge? Would I then have to find a way to cool the battery as it is charged?

a can of dust off turned upside down and the pack will be 50 degrees lower then room temp:woohoo:

If everyone heats, there is no speculation or he said / she said bull. Actually makes for easier tech in my opinion. The 10* rule just opens up a huge can of crap at and after the race.

However rules are rules, Boylan posted them months ago...


Adam

11o F Leave It Alone.... @ 110 You Can Still Get A Good Chemical Reaction With Out Killing Your Pack

11o F Leave It Alone.... @ 110 You Can Still Get A Good Chemical Reaction With Out Killing Your Pack

... current rule is +10F ... not 110F ... (unsure I got your post right)

Steve.

so along with shouting out whats the rollout? we need to ask whats the house temp?

Set it too 110 if its over ... You dont run that qualifier ... Same with Voltage... You dont run .. I got caught at Ovalmasters to high on voltage and missed that qualifier ...

The last thing we need to do is sit someone out.That is absoloutly the worst thing i have ever heard. the money spent to race and where the sport is at everyone should race no matter what. the heat is one thing a warm pack verses a cold pack is little advantage and the voltage thing can be fixed in tech line real easy if the volts r right and the temp close they need to race if they gett warned and r xtreem on any situation then needs to be adressed the tech guys are racers and know what they r looking at.

Amazing number of votes from racers that will not even be there.....

Amazing number of votes from racers that will not even be there.....

It's an opinion poll...
And the results will have no bearing on what they do
in Florida....
Not being registered to race does not disqualify one from
having an opinion...

Amazing number of votes from racers that will not even be there.....

How do you know who is racing and who is not.

Hi Humpty lol:wave:

It's got to be a scary thing to see 2 Pembertons posting on the same thread, but I had to do it.
I totally agree with Roman on this, and I commend Mike B. on setting the rules for Lipo voltage the way he has. Seeing a racer TQ the Oval Masters and sit out the Main for .01V was a little over the top for me. (No disrespect to the Oval Masters crew. They stated the rules, and enforced them. I'm just glad Mike B. rethought the rules and fixed this issue.)

If you want to read my long-winded write-up on this, check this out:

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=216413&page=38

Otherwise, here was my main point:

"Tech" can not serve as a resource in service and cooperation with a racer, to verify his/her compliance on all parameters of you race car (weight, height, voltage, freq., etc) and then.............at a particular time 1,2 3 heats prior..............you enter a POINT OF NO RETURN Zone where anything you verify can cause your DQ. Here is how it should work:

Get in line
Measure weight, height and voltage
If you comply go to staging and prepare to race
If you fail, go to the back of the line with scissors, lead weights, and a string of light bulbs and try again
2 minutes between heats, 1 minute grace period (no exception)
You won't hold up anyone and the race won't wait for youWe all have to follow the rules, but we all travel to far and spend to much money to watch our heat from the sidelines. Let's work to find way to get everyone on the track.

Steve Pemberton
(or as Mike Valentine calls me.... "the other Pemberton...the slow one")

The rest of you guys are disappointed when you can't TQ a big race............

I can't even TQ a family reunion!!!!! LOL

Can't we split the difference??
Snow Miser on the motor and Heat Miser with the lipos!! LOL:thumbsup:

I understand Mike set the lipo rules months ago and many say the rule is the rule. How about the rule he had stating that the enduro class could not use special made cars to run in the race but now specialty cars are now allowed because someone wanted to spend the time to build one?
I am new to lipo and I am having trouble learning how to charge, discharge, and charge to get consistant temps. Ambient temperature is a very big variable especially in a room as large as the ball room. How about the difference between day and night.
I feel that if one type of racing has to struggle all should be treated the same. I much prefer the 110* max temp. I feel it is much easier to control and tech. They have a set minimum weight, set max voltage, set minimum ride height, why not a set max temp?

My $0.03.

Dave Irrgang

We are looking at setting a max temp number at the event to make it easier, those are great ideas....

We are looking at setting a max temp number at the event to make it easier, those are great ideas....

Here is what I'm worried about. Let's say the "rule" stays 10 above ambient. Well on Thursday it's 75 at tech so your pack can be 85 degrees max, then on Friday it's cloudy and tech is only 70 degrees (80 max), and on Saturday a cold front drops temps to 60 (70 max). We all have seen this in the past as it changes the track, well it changes voltage output as well.

Now this is fair for everyone from day to day but what if you tear your car up in the first and seond heat and now your at a voltage dis-advantage for the 2nd or 3rd day.

I know Lipo's so I am fully aware of the heating differences and the track performance they give.

A one day race or club racing suits the 10 above rule perfectly but not on a 4 day event. Too many variables to consider..................

are they teching the packs outside?
10 deg above ambient temp means the room temp not outside temp

Here is what I'm worried about. Let's say the "rule" stays 10 above ambient. Well on Thursday it's 75 at tech so your pack can be 85 degrees max, then on Friday it's cloudy and tech is only 70 degrees (80 max), and on Saturday a cold front drops temps to 60 (70 max). We all have seen this in the past as it changes the track, well it changes voltage output as well.

ummm The New 'Birds Hot Rod Hotel is very well temperature regulated... not like the old place. I doubt very seriously that there will be a temperature variance of more than a few degrees from day to day

Now this is fair for everyone from day to day but what if you tear your car up in the first and seond heat and now your at a voltage dis-advantage for the 2nd or 3rd day.
How exactly does tearing your car up put you at a voltage dis-advantage? Unless you mean that you are unable to repair your car and have it back at the same handling level it was before you tore it up and need the extra voltage to compensate.
Keep it 10 above. Or wait to hear this... "I only went down to get a pizza..... I thought I turned off the heating pad!"

"Re-Plumbed" Bud

How exactly does tearing your car up put you at a voltage dis-advantage? Unless you mean that you are unable to repair your car and have it back at the same handling level it was before you tore it up and need the extra voltage to compensate.
Keep it 10 above. Or wait to hear this... "I only went down to get a pizza..... I thought I turned off the heating pad!"

"Re-Plumbed" Bud

Are Oval guys the only people who might go get Pizza???

At the BRL races sonny set a "rough" 10 above at the start of the event. I think maybe Ft. Wayne the temp was 72-74 and he set the max at 85. I dont see how that could be disputed by anybody since it wont really matter if the temp does change. Its kind of funny how everyone is getting all worked up over a possible 2 or 3 degrees lol.

At the BRL races sonny set a "rough" 10 above at the start of the event. I think maybe Ft. Wayne the temp was 72-74 and he set the max at 85. I dont see how that could be disputed by anybody since it wont really matter if the temp does change. Its kind of funny how everyone is getting all worked up over a possible 2 or 3 degrees lol.

I personally think it's more of the games heating and cooling, charging/ discharging/then charging, IMO it's alot easier if everyone is able to heat the pack to 110, especially for everyone new to Lipo.

If the +10 rule stays in place, are you guys gonna try to heat your packs so that's it's EXACTLY +10 above room temp? Do you really think your pack is going to perform better because it's +10 above room temp?? If you don't heat your pack, even if the ambient temp falls 3 degrees I think you'll be just fine.

You guys have silly ideas for a vacation, you go to Florida and you end up stuck indoors because you're caught up with messing around with heating pads, temp guns and voltmeters and all LOL. You guys have fun!

I have an idea. Y'all should run 10.5 with drift tires. The extra heat in the packs won't do a thing for you.

sc2002gtp

Agreed, but after reading a few different posts it sounds like some people are worried that they'll be either at a disadvantage or dq'd because the temp fell 2 degrees.

I agree that the 110 rule would cut out alot of questionable practices but I think in order to keep things simpler (which is what oval desperately needs) we have to be able to figure out rules to avoid having to bring a heating pad to the track. sc2002gtp, I'm not arguing or directing this at you in anyway.

I'm not going this year, but anyone worried I've found this procedure to work fine for a 10+ rule. Wrap your pack in a pit towel and discharge it. When its done immediately go into charge. Then 2-4 races before your up unwrap your pack and go to tech i guarantee you'll be within 5-10 degrees of room temp and your pack will run fine, no need for a heating pad, no games and your legal.

If the +10 rule stays in place, are you guys gonna try to heat your packs so that's it's EXACTLY +10 above room temp? Do you really think your pack is going to perform better because it's +10 above room temp?? If you don't heat your pack, even if the ambient temp falls 3 degrees I think you'll be just fine.

You guys have silly ideas for a vacation, you go to Florida and you end up stuck indoors because you're caught up with messing around with heating pads, temp guns and voltmeters and all LOL. You guys have fun!

I'm sure I could think of better things to do for a Vacation and if it was all just for fun I could stay home and club race, but there's alot of money being spent by every person going. I'm sure most don't go just for a fun Vacation. I'd like to feel like I'm on a level playing feild, however being new to Lipo, I like others hav'nt had the time to expeiriment with other methods that give the same effect as heating being used when the 10* over ambeint rule is in effect.

sc2002gtp

Agreed, but after reading a few different posts it sounds like some people are worried that they'll be either at a disadvantage or dq'd because the temp fell 2 degrees.

I agree that the 110 rule would cut out alot of questionable practices but I think in order to keep things simpler (which is what oval desperately needs) we have to be able to figure out rules to avoid having to bring a heating pad to the track. sc2002gtp, I'm not arguing or directing this at you in anyway.

I'm not going this year, but anyone worried I've found this procedure to work fine for a 10+ rule. Wrap your pack in a pit towel and discharge it it in a rag and when its done immediately go into charge. Then 2-4 races before your up unwrap your pack and go to tech i guarantee you'll be within 5-10 degrees of room temp and your pack will run fine, no need for a heating pad, no games and your legal.
:thumbsup:

sc2002gtp

Agreed, but after reading a few different posts it sounds like some people are worried that they'll be either at a disadvantage or dq'd because the temp fell 2 degrees.

I agree that the 110 rule would cut out alot of questionable practices but I think in order to keep things simpler (which is what oval desperately needs) we have to be able to figure out rules to avoid having to bring a heating pad to the track. sc2002gtp, I'm not arguing or directing this at you in anyway.

I'm not going this year, but anyone worried I've found this procedure to work fine for a 10+ rule. Wrap your pack in a pit towel and discharge it in a rag and when its done immediately go into charge. Then 2-4 races before your up unwrap your pack and go to tech i guarantee you'll be within 5-10 degrees of room temp and your pack will run fine, no need for a heating pad, no games and your legal.

Thanks, Steve Salvas said he did a similar charging method, just seems alot easier to heat them and simply push the charge button. I beleive if it's safe for 1/2 of the guys entered why not the rest of us? I don't beleive it's even mandatory to use a Lipo Sack, but i'll be using 1 anyway. I do agree about rules needing to be set, but I also think it should just be a Lipo rule in general for Oval & Road, not just for this race but everywhere.

Wouldn't it have been awesome,
if God had let these things perform best between
60 and 80 degrees...

What a concept...
Plug the pack in, and just run it....

Like always.
Take a reasonably easy situation,
One that everyone had dreamed of,
and turn it into a freakin' nightmare...

And then... as always... when everyone gets their packs
to exactly the same threshold,
everyone performs the same as if they had not.
Just a hundredth slower...:rolleyes:

If the On Road guys start wearing their thongs outside their pants, do the oval guys have to do the same?

BTW great post Dan

This isnt a vacation for anybody who makes an A main and the extra few degrees could make a difference weather your TQ or second! If your going for a vacation you shouldnt even be here posting your opinion!

This isnt a vacation for anybody who makes an A main and the extra few degrees could make a difference weather your TQ or second! If your going for a vacation you shouldnt even be here posting your opinion!

you buried the nail with that one:thumbsup:

How do you know who is racing and who is not.

Don't be offended Roman but it is not rocket science.....

well we know that Peter because you figured it out