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johnnyhacksaw
12-18-2008, 11:35 PM
Onroad Racing At New Castle, like to see who is interested in doing some road course racing on the big track of new castle. jason crist has been working on this with the track founders. i figured, i'd give it a thread for the input. let's hear it road racer's:thumbsup:

VTA
1/12th scale
legends



VTA RULES



Rules updated 9.7.08. All rules subject to change and expansion should need arise.

Complete downloadable and printable 2008 Rulebook is available in PDF format here. It is highly suggested that all indoor carpet tracks use these rules exactly as they are written with no deviations. Please try to keep it consistent and fair for everyone who may attend your track from around the country.




Trans Am Class Rules and Specifications



Body Specifications:
Late '60s to early '70s American pony car Vintage Trans-Am bodies only.

HPI part numbers:
17510 - 1970 Plymouth AAR 'Cuda
17519 - 1966 Ford Mustang GT
17508 - 1965 Ford Shelby GT-350
7494 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro

Parma part numbers:
10143 - 1969 Z28 Camaro
10141 - 1970 Boss Mustang
10113 - 1970 'Cuda

Pegasus Hobbies part numbers:
PGH4001 - 1970 Camaro SS
PGH4002 - 1970 'Cuda
PGH4003 - 1970 Mustang

Body provided deck lid spoilers allowed (not wings). No additional skirts or raised/extended wings or air control surfaces allowed. Body must be trimmed at body trim lines. Full rear bumper required. It is highly preferred that bodies are detailed in race type livery in period-correct paint schemes. Fluorescent colors, wild graphics, chromes and non-period correct paint schemes are frowned upon. All cars must have a number on the hood, both doors and trunklid. Wheel covers of any type are NOT allowed.


Tire & Wheel Specifications:
The only tires allowed are HPI tire part #4793 front and #4797 rear, using stock tire inserts provided with tire and any HPI Vintage wheels designed to fit these tires. Five or Eight spoke wheels available in various colors. 0mm offset front wheels and 6mm offset rear wheels are intended for 26mm width fronts and 31mm width rear tires. 8-spoke Vintage wheels from #3805 through #3814, 5-spoke Vintage wheels from #3815 through #3822 and Vintage stock car wheels from #3854 through #3860 are all legal wheels.

Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed. HPI Vintage Slicks are not allowed. Tire traction compounds are at the discretion of the track. No other altering, changing or softening of the tire is allowed. No "double stuffing" of foam inserts allowed—only single stock vintage tire inserts are allowed.


Chassis Specification:
Four Wheel Drive touring car chassis only. Any era or brand 4wd chassis is allowed. An Excel spreadsheet gear ratio and final drive ratio calculator for most touring car chassis is available here.


Motor Specifications:
Option 1: 27-turn ROAR stock motor: No FDR limit, bearings are not allowed.

Option 2: 17.5 brushless: Motor timing advance is allowed. 12.5 mm rotor diameter maximum (no "tuning" rotors are allowed).

Option 3: 21.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS21.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3421) ONLY combined with any ROAR-approved hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motor is the ONLY motor allowed at this time, because there are no ROAR mandates or restrictions for the 21.5 brushless motors. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Final drive ratio is to not exceed 4.2. Motor timing advance is allowed. 12.5 mm rotor diameter maximum (no "tuning" rotors are allowed).

Suggested gearing FDR recommendations:

27t brushed/4-cell: 5.4 - 5.7 FDR
17.5 brushless/4-cell: 3.5 - 3.7 FDR
21.5 brushless/LiPo: 4.2 - 4.6 FDR
Tracks should not dictate which motor combination a racer should choose. All three motor/battery combos have been tested to compete evenly against one another in competition with great success. If any one power choice shows a definitive advantage at a certain track, it is up to the race management to even the racing out via suggested gearing changes.


Battery Specifications:
4 cell NiCd or NiMh batteries, 4600 mAh limit
2 cell ROAR-approved LiPo hard cased, 5000 mAh limit (21.5 brushless motor option ONLY)


Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.


Weight Specification:
Minimum 1450g in race-ready trim


Race Specification:
- 5 minute qualifiers
- 8 minute mains
- Absolutely NO IFMAR-type starts. All heats and mains should be straight-up starts, with random sorts for each heat. Non random sorts should shuffle starting order for each heat.


Optional Main Variations:
- 12-20 car A-mains, depending on car counts.
- Invert qualifying order based on random hat pull (top 6-10 cars).
- "LeMans" type starts where all cars are lined up on an angle to the racing line in order.
- Run track in reverse rotation for mains.
- Rolling starts




MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all. All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.


MINI COOPER RULES

Mini Chassis Classic Top


The Mini's are for everyone wanting to race close and have fun doing it! This class is ideal for any racing hobbyist wanting to keep racing simple and fun. It is very competitive, but without the pressure! Fun is the game here with stock silver can motor power.


1. Any Tamiya M03 or M04 chassis car that uses the 60D size tire or smaller.
2.Tamiya Hop-Ups only.
3. No chassis lightening allowed.
4. A proper mini body must be used with its proper mini chassis. I.E. (A front wheel drive body must be used with a front-drive chassis. A rear wheel drive body must be used with a rear wheel chassis)
5.Tamiya 60D tires and wheels only (50683, 50684, 53254 and 53340).
6.New for 2009: Stuffing tires with inserts to create a "ballooned" tire, and producing overdrive is not legal. Tire diameter limit will be limited to 60mm.
7. NEW for 2009: The Tamiya 540-J motor (53689) is the spec silver can motor for the 2009 season.
8. It is legal to use the maximum pinion gear size on all front-drive and rear drive Mini cars. I.E. 20-tooth on the M03 and 21-tooth on the M04.
9.Any Tamiya plastic or aluminum hop-up damper may be used.
10. Any Tamiya short or regular size hop-up spring may be used.
11. The use of LIPO batteries is permitted in this class, but due to the battery compartment having a rounded profile, the only legal LIPOs for this class is the Orion/Peak 2400, 3200, and 3400 Carbon Edition hard cased packs. Modifying the M-chassis to fit other hard case LIPO batteries is not permitted.
12. All M-chassis cars must meet a minimum weight of 1300 grams.


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jason crist
12-18-2008, 11:46 PM
yes what he said

1st road race this saturday
we are going to race on road and oval both in the race program
on saturday nights
doors open 12 noon
racing starts at 5pm
$15 entry
$5 for 2nd class


new years day
big oval and on road race

doors open 8am
racing at 12 noon

$20 entry $5 goes to prize found
$10 2nd class $5 goes to prize found

cash payout each class

onroad classes :
12th scale stock
vta
legends
mini coopers
any 3 make a class

johnnyhacksaw
12-19-2008, 12:05 AM
forgot about mini cooper's.... i have mine ready for indy slots. rite tires and motor. like to see them at nc saturday...:woohoo:

JWhite
12-19-2008, 12:15 AM
Jason what are you calling 12th scale stock 17.5 or 13.5?

jason crist
12-19-2008, 11:15 AM
sorry bro
4 cell 17.5 or 4 cell 27 turn stock motors


4 cell 13.5 will be another class by it self




Johnny Hacksaw
you mini coopers on part of the class also

see ya saturday

yokman
12-19-2008, 06:29 PM
I would just like to take this time to "cristen" this thread with a YOU SUCK jason crist!
And maybe try a lil SPELL check!
LOSER

johnnyhacksaw
12-19-2008, 08:29 PM
I would just like to take this time to "cristen" this thread with a YOU SUCK jason crist!
And maybe try a lil SPELL check!
LOSER

amen!.......i heard he's fill'n in for wee man in the new movie jacka$$ part 3!

yokman
12-19-2008, 08:47 PM
hey its my ol buddy "grey goose" was up? we need to get us a bottle and a few viagra and hit the town!!!!

Crptracer
12-19-2008, 09:01 PM
Yok I cant believe you would talk about your life partner that way!!! Congrats for Insulting Crist on the first page....Is that a new personell best?

yokman
12-19-2008, 09:43 PM
no, my life partner is kim crist! We just keep jason around for the house work.

But ya it might be a new best? Got him in less than 24hrs.

Crptracer
12-19-2008, 09:53 PM
In all seriousness I hope to come and race at the new years race sounds like fun.....Maybe not if your the guy changin the track from onroad to oval...

P.S Yok that is your best kind find anyother first page under 24hr slams....Congrats.....Your the champ....


P.S.S......Hope everything is goin as smooth as possible for ya...

johnnyhacksaw
12-19-2008, 10:28 PM
hey its my ol buddy "grey goose" was up? we need to get us a bottle and a few viagra and hit the town!!!!

i'm ready!!!

painted my vta car, i'm call'n it the gray goose!
yok, i'll have an extra vta car, your more than welcome to race man! new years!
we'll get a designated driver.........after the race! gray goose..:woohoo:


also, have an extra mini cooper, if your interested....anything for a gray goose buddy!!!

johnnyhacksaw
12-19-2008, 10:44 PM
here's a picture of honda for my mini cooper........YES, honda....enjoy beat'n the crap out of it! he he!

need to find a late model ford focus!!!

WINSEEKER
12-19-2008, 10:53 PM
i'm ready!!!

painted my vta car, i'm call'n it the gray goose!
yok, i'll have an extra vta car, your more than welcome to race man! new years!
we'll get a designated driver.........after the race! gray goose..:woohoo:


also, have an extra mini cooper, if your interested....anything for a gray goose buddy!!!

are ya gonna bring your vta to the track tomorrow?

johnnyhacksaw
12-19-2008, 10:59 PM
are ya gonna bring your vta to the track tomorrow?

yep!....gray goose baby!!!...and mini cooper, try'n to put 17.5 in nascar also

WINSEEKER
12-19-2008, 11:01 PM
yep!....gray goose baby!!!...and mini cooper, try'n to put 17.5 in nascar also

coool !!!! looking forward to a good time tomorrow

yokman
12-20-2008, 12:30 AM
i'm ready!!!

painted my vta car, i'm call'n it the gray goose!
yok, i'll have an extra vta car, your more than welcome to race man! new years!
we'll get a designated driver.........after the race! gray goose..:woohoo:


also, have an extra mini cooper, if your interested....anything for a gray goose buddy!!!


stop it! I been sick on these meds they have me on and haven't been able to "hit the goose" in 3 weeks! Things are looking a lil better and as long as I come up with rent I will take you up on that as I have no car to race right now.And grey goose is a great name for the new ride!!!!


Steve,you know I have to keep the :boy" in check every day and not let his lil mind forget. It's a tuff job but sumone has to do it.

johnnyhacksaw
12-20-2008, 11:52 AM
here's a link to website that i found of trans am racing, some good picture's

http://www.historictransam.com/home.htm

johnnyhacksaw
12-20-2008, 12:38 PM
it's too bad they don't make a javelin AMX body and allow to run in vintage racing.

Railroader
12-20-2008, 01:15 PM
forgot about mini cooper's.... i have mine ready for indy slots. rite tires and motor. like to see them at nc saturday...:woohoo:

Hey, were you at Slots last night racing your Cooper? And were you they guy I talked with about Tamiya F103 class?

I was the moron arguing with the other moron. Sorry about that.

Anyway, we might be able to run those F103 cars oval at the Moose New Years as well. I think the other guys are going, not sure yet though, I'll talk to them tomorrow.

johnnyhacksaw
12-20-2008, 02:18 PM
Hey, were you at Slots last night racing your Cooper? And were you they guy I talked with about Tamiya F103 class?

I was the moron arguing with the other moron. Sorry about that.

Anyway, we might be able to run those F103 cars oval at the Moose New Years as well. I think the other guys are going, not sure yet though, I'll talk to them tomorrow.

no, it wasn't me ....didn't make it, worked on my vta and cooper cars. almost came up to see what was going on though.

johnnyhacksaw
12-20-2008, 02:20 PM
from butch, guy's:
Sorry guys all racing at the Moose for this Saturday has been canceled due to the furnace going out. A repairman has been called but will not be up and running in time for us to get the place warm for racing.
Thanks Butch

Railroader
12-20-2008, 03:08 PM
no, it wasn't me ....didn't make it, worked on my vta and cooper cars. almost came up to see what was going on though.

Well then, who was that masked man?

johnnyhacksaw
12-20-2008, 04:01 PM
from butch:
Just got back from the Moose and man it's cold. Should have heat for next Saturday. We will keep everyone up to date. Sorry about the inconvience.

Meet Jason at the track looks like we have a good road course set up. So all you on road guys we will see yoy next Saturday so you can get ready for New Years.

Butch

johnnyhacksaw
12-20-2008, 04:03 PM
Well then, who was that masked man?

making a trip too slots tomorrow, :thumbsup:

Railroader
12-20-2008, 04:33 PM
See you there.

jason crist
12-20-2008, 09:28 PM
ok track is ready for on road racing

not to tough
but
fast


we will be racing the 27th on road
to be ready for the new years day race

we would like to get a somewhat head count for the race so we can be pre paired for race day of what classes will be ran.
any 3 makes a class
who's planning on racing on road new years day and what class?


Name Class
1. jason crist vta and 12th scale stock
2. Brian VanderVeen VTA and 1/18th touring (5 cell/ fireball)

BadSign
12-21-2008, 01:01 AM
Brian VanderVeen: VTA and 1/18 Touring(5 cell/fireball)

jason crist
12-21-2008, 10:24 AM
thanks Brian

see ya new years day




Don't forget guys
new castle will be open new years eve from
12 noon to 6 pm

practice for both on road and oval

you can set you pit up and have it fro the next day
keep in mind 2 people per table

to make sure everyone has a pit spot....

BadSign
12-21-2008, 02:37 PM
Do we need our own tables/chairs? Haven't raced the Moose since...oh...Earnhardt Sr. won Daytona?

jason crist
12-21-2008, 09:45 PM
no plenty of chairs
you may bring a table if ya can
but not a big deal

bring ex. cords

and power strips


see ya

johnnyhacksaw
12-22-2008, 12:37 AM
ok track is ready for on road racing

not to tough
but
fast


we will be racing the 27th on road
to be ready for the new years day race

we would like to get a somewhat head count for the race so we can be pre paired for race day of what classes will be ran.
any 3 makes a class
who's planning on racing on road new years day and what class?

we'll road course it saturday!


Name Class
1. jason crist vta and 12th scale stock
2. Brian VanderVeen VTA and 1/18th touring (5 cell/ fireball)


we'll road course it saturday!

jason crist
12-22-2008, 08:14 AM
yes we will run road course saturday

jason crist
12-22-2008, 08:37 AM
here who said they are coming to race on road so far:

Name Class
1. jason crist vta and 12th scale stock
2. Brian VanderVeen VTA and 1/18th touring (5 cell/ fireball)
3. Jason white 12th scale stock





we need ya if ya can let us know who is running what class
so we can get a schedule for controlled practice


i know there are alot more than 3 guys who said they would be here but i didn't want to post there name until 100% sure


some classes being talked about

12th scale stock
vta
mini cooper
legends (both new castle rules and lot rules combined // nc will run 19 tooth pinion)
brp
any 3 make a class

BadSign
12-22-2008, 11:10 AM
Don't think I said it, but I'm only there for New Year Day- can't make it this Saturday

dragrace
12-22-2008, 03:33 PM
I'll be there and I think David Lee may come. I will try to get the Ft. Wayne group to come down also....

Steve Dunn

jason crist
12-22-2008, 06:20 PM
thanks bro

yes all is welcome



i know the name below are not set in stone

Name Class
1. jason crist vta and 12th scale stock
2. Brian VanderVeen VTA and 1/18th touring (5 cell/ fireball)
3. Jason white 12th scale stock
4. steve dunn 12th scale stock
5.Dave Lee 12th scale stock




we need ya if ya can let us know who is running what class
so we can get a schedule for controlled practice

jason crist
12-22-2008, 06:22 PM
Brian VanderVeen: VTA and 1/18 Touring(5 cell/fireball)

sorry brian
i miss read your post then

let me know if your not going to make it i'll take you off the list

of

leave ya and get your money ready for the 1st place prize....

jason crist
12-22-2008, 10:14 PM
here's a pic of what the track will look like for on road

yes we will go the same direction as oval turn left for that day

the arrows are the direction we go

it will be driver friendly course

but as the saturdays come the track will get harder


see ya new years day

don't forget new years eve
the track will be open from 12 noon to 6 pm
so you can come get your pit spot and do a little practice

j21moss
12-22-2008, 10:15 PM
oh great!!!! I got to get my old 12th scale up and running.. I want to race against the Legend... Steve Dunn!!!!!

nickcacc
12-22-2008, 10:22 PM
oh great!!!! I got to get my old 12th scale up and running.. I want to race against the Legend... Steve Dunn!!!!!

That Dunn kid's pretty good but the on-road legend in these parts gots to be David Lee.

Lugnutz
12-22-2008, 10:33 PM
Why are you racing the same direction as the oval?

BadSign
12-22-2008, 10:53 PM
Is the infield all carpet?

WINSEEKER
12-22-2008, 11:08 PM
Is the infield all carpet?

no!! just the center like you see it from the drivers stand.

BadSign
12-22-2008, 11:11 PM
Hmmm. What's lane width?

jason crist
12-22-2008, 11:39 PM
the track is open alot for vta class
the straights are 12 foot wide
the infied carpet is 12 foot by 20 or so
the infied is not fully carpet this year
but everything works well then
maybe next year
lane width is 12 foot straights


we are going the same direction this race as the oval
because the bite in the track is not up like in the past
so on road is going to help

plus

we don't always have to go the same direction the hole time

any more questions
just post

jason crist
12-22-2008, 11:41 PM
oh great!!!! I got to get my old 12th scale up and running.. I want to race against the Legend... Steve Dunn!!!!!

he won't be your worry
i've seen him race 12th scale

if some of the guys i heard coming
come

then there should be some good competition


anyways jerry
i should you the lay out
now when you go to sleep just picture it and make up your own race

legends on road
there will be some there to race
r/c cars that is

Lugnutz
12-22-2008, 11:43 PM
What direction are you going to run on New Years?

BadSign
12-22-2008, 11:47 PM
Don't worry about making them too narrow for VTA. We run about 6' wide at Slots. It's gonna seem like "Road America" for the micro guys.

Sonny B
12-23-2008, 01:35 AM
Sounds like fun
I'm good for 1/12 stock and World GT if we have enough.