Were proud to release info on our new 40C+ C-Max Hardcase packs.

The first 2 packs will be available by the middle of January.


Part # 3240CM 3200mAh / 7.4V / 40C+

Retail: 140.00 Street Price 94.95

Size: L 136mm x W 46.5mm x H 20.5mm

Top exiting wire Black colored hardcase with 12 gauge wires and Deans connector.




Part # 5040CM 5000mAh / 7.4V / 40C+

Retail: 200.00 Street Price 129.95

Size: L 138.5mm x W 46.5mm x H 24.5mm

Top exiting wire Black colored hardcase with 12 gauge wires and Deans connector.





Were confident that our new 40C+ series will offer the best possible performance. Early tests shows that the IR of these new packs is 15% to 20% better than our closest competitors packs.

Here are numbers on four 5000 sample packs we received this week. Actual production packs will have a bit better runtime as were going with a slightly bigger case/cell to help capacity.

All packs were charged at 2C on a Hyperion Duo Balance charger. Packs discharged on a T35GFX/Lipo at 35 amps. Voltage sensing leads attached on the 12 gauge wires were the female Deans is soldered. Pack and room temp was 72 degrees.


#1 505 - 7.43 - 5.7

#2 507 - 7.45 - 5.1

#3 512 - 7.45 - 5.5

#4 510 - 7.44 - 5.5

Where's the best place to buy the 3200?

Bill

I assume the same places that have been selling our 3200/28C will be getting the 40C+ version.

I will have updates as to when the first shipment will be coming in as they info becomes available to me from our supplier. Cells are in production now.

Are the new 3200's going to be approved by ROAR in time for the snowbirds in 09?

Were proud to release info on our new 40C+ C-Max Hardcase packs.

The first 2 packs will be available by the middle of January.


Part # 3240CM 3200mAh / 7.4V / 40C+

Retail: 140.00 Street Price 94.95

Size: L 136mm x W 46.5mm x H 20.5mm

Top exiting wire Black colored hardcase with 12 gauge wires and Deans connector.




Part # 5040CM 5000mAh / 7.4V / 40C+

Retail: 200.00 Street Price 129.95

Size: L 138.5mm x W 46.5mm x H 24.5mm

Top exiting wire Black colored hardcase with 12 gauge wires and Deans connector.





Were confident that our new 40C+ series will offer the best possible performance. Early tests shows that the IR of these new packs is 15% to 20% better than our closest competitors packs.

Here are numbers on four 5000 sample packs we received this week. Actual production packs will have a bit better runtime as were going with a slightly bigger case/cell to help capacity.

All packs were charged at 2C on a Hyperion Duo Balance charger. Packs discharged on a T35GFX/Lipo at 35 amps. Voltage sensing leads attached on the 12 gauge wires were the female Deans is soldered. Pack and room temp was 72 degrees.


#1 505 - 7.43 - 5.7

#2 507 - 7.45 - 5.1

#3 512 - 7.45 - 5.5

#4 510 - 7.44 - 5.5

Dust hasn't even settled from the first round yet. Battery of the month continues!!! :rolleyes: :confused: :(

Are the new 3200's going to be approved by ROAR in time for the snowbirds in 09?


We will submit the packs to ROAR before there Deadline. I beleive Mike will do a rule that packs need to be listed on the ROAR site on particular date for it to be legal.

Dust hasn't even settled from the first round yet. Battery of the month continues!!! :rolleyes: :confused: :(

Not sure what you mean by this but our 28C/5000 was left unchanged for 10 months so releasing a new pack after 10 months is not to bad. Starting next year with ROAR bi-annual approval we may release new packs every 6 months if improvements are possible.

We will submit the packs to ROAR before there Deadline. I beleive Mike will do a rule that packs need to be listed on the ROAR site on particular date for it to be legal.

Well that just sucks, i just ordered a 3200 from tower right before i saw this thread. Guess im stuck with old tech! LOL should have done my homework. :)

Not sure what you mean by this but our 28C/5000 was left unchanged for 10 months so releasing a new pack after 10 months is not to bad. Starting next year with ROAR bi-annual approval we may release new packs every 6 months if improvements are possible.


I'm confused on this thing I keep reading about 10 months not being bad. Are you talking 10 months since the pack was thought of? Or designed? or from when it was available to the public, until the new one WILL be available to the public? Seems to me, the 28c 3200 wasn't available to anyone before JULY 2008, which in my math book is

August
September
October
November
December

Where's the other 5 months?

Dated July 16, 2009 from RCTech.net

Today were starting to ship out our new 3200/28C/7.4V pack. This new pack comes in the same casing as our 4000 pack and retails for 135.00. This pack uses the same materials as our 4000 and 5000 packs so the IR and voltage is very good. We were asked to release this pack as the 21.5 ROAR Oval class has a 3200 mAh limit.

So I ask, where's the 10 months?

At least when I took heat for using the ORION, then them discontinuing their 3200 for the 3400 (which IMHO is still the same batteries with a NEW sticker) the original had been out, and unchanged for roughly 18-24 months.

Danny is not changing the 3200 28c battery pack. SO....if the track or race directors deam that the 40c is not leagal for 21.5 you dont have to worry about it.

And like he said you wont be a night and day difference. We have people at our track turning 4.1 second laps with a 2400 Orion, the best we can do is 4.0 (well 3.9 if you are Greg Honeycutt) with the current 3200. So with this new battery do you really think you are going to see a big diff???? NOPE. Some of the pro's will, but unless you are within a 1/4 of a lap you need to work on your setup.

These will be the hot ticket for modified racing on dirt ovals.

Not sure what you mean by this but our 28C/5000 was left unchanged for 10 months so releasing a new pack after 10 months is not to bad. Starting next year with ROAR bi-annual approval we may release new packs every 6 months if improvements are possible.

28C/5000 WAS LEFT UNCHANGED FOR 10 MONTHS

I'm confused on this thing I keep reading about 10 months not being bad. Are you talking 10 months since the pack was thought of? Or designed? or from when it was available to the public, until the new one WILL be available to the public? Seems to me, the 28c 3200 wasn't available to anyone before JULY 2008, which in my math book is

August
September
October
November
December

Where's the other 5 months?



So I ask, where's the 10 months?


Joe, read your own quote. When Danny refers to the 10 months, he's refering to the 5000/28C pack.

someone is to busy bashing to read!

we get it you run orion out west that is great!

how much difference between the 3200 28c and 3200 40c mamhs aare the same but the amount of output amps is more or punch. is test to check this
or is it just on track that you feel

[edited] Damn, I edited Joes's post by mistake. Sorry, I didn't mean to do that.

Like I said it before if racers don't want to worry about the battery of every 6 months then just race in a class that has a spec type pack. We have stepped up and offered a great spec style pack and we will continue to support this pack for as long as possible.

Sorry if were not sitting back and allowing TP and others to release new packs while we continue to sell the same pack old packs.

Joe, PLEASE read what is being posted. The 3200 28c pack will STILL be available so those tracks that speced the 28c pack can STILL run them and will STILL be available. Not sure how much clearer it can be for you.

Hank,

I apologize if NO BODY else sees what I'm saying...

But, when I see, hear and am told when I go into a shop is "WHY DO THESE COMPANIES KEEP DOING THIS TO US?" I have no answer for them.

As everyone who reads this knows...when it comes to MY series, none of this matters. It does affect several other racers, some of whom are MY FRIENDS. Those people have expressed their opinions to ME, and I express them HERE. It could however effect my local racing program, as that does NOT have a SPEC Lipo rule, YET.

If everyone wants to keep their head in the sand and think a NEW pack won't cause some tracks that have selected the ORIGINAL 3200 pack to change.... FINE, keep them there.

I have to say, the SMC pack being added to one CA track caused issues, and cost the track racers. I don't have the full story, as I don't race currently at that track, however, I do know that I was told the racers from that track just recently took a vote to STOP this from further splintering the west coast oval group, and they are adopting the rules we set up for OUR series.

WE ALL Knew with LIPO technology coming in - improvements were going to be made, and made quickly. A little over a year ago it sounded like a LOT of racers were excited to be able to be on the front end of this technology and being able to lock it down, and let the companies do their own thing until the battery thing was stable. Apparently now, nobody cares and it's right back to the same issues we've had in this hobby/sport for dozens of years.

If that's the direction guys REALLY want to go -- GO FOR IT

1 cell LIPO
2 cell LIPO with 15 different sizes and different rules for each
NOBODY staying with ANYTHING that will make GOOD racing...it's just about everyone doing their own thing.

But, if the OVAL crowd DOESN'T grow, and racers just continue to piss and moan about the direction TECHNOLOGY is taking them...TOO BAD! You all had a chance to SHAPE IT for the Best COMPETITION!

I've said it 100 times, and I'll say it here again. IT'S NOT THE PRODUCTS (New or Old) that makes GREAT RACING. It's the RACERS!

Have a nice day, and wonderful Holidays to ALL of you and remember, this is NOT personal to me. It's about the RACING.

Our racing will be very good in '09, and I hope success for everyone else as well. (Yes, even SMC)

But, if the OVAL crowd DOESN'T grow, and racers just continue to piss and moan about the direction TECHNOLOGY is taking them...TOO BAD! You all had a chance to SHAPE IT for the Best COMPETITION!
...IS THIS THING ON

swtour: What is wrong with having to buy one pack every 6 months when racers use to buy 2-4 packs for every big race when sub-c was the choice.

I'm starting to feel like no matter what happens there will be a certain type of racers that will complain not matter what happens being for the good or bad.

Bottom line Lipos are better for the racer and even if a new pack is available every 6 months that is still better than sub-c cells were.

swtour: What is wrong with having to buy one pack every 6 months when racers use to buy 2-4 packs for every big race when sub-c was the choice.


On that subject your asking the wrong person.

The case I tried to make several months ago was

OWN a

ORION 3200
SMC 3200
SMC 5000

and for the price of 3 battery packs you could race ANYWHERE - you can't ask for more than that. I got beat up by racers for that suggestion.

If it were ME, and I was going to the BIG RACE -- I'd be buying the NEW cell 4-5 days before I went (actually probably 2 of them) RUN THEM and Sell them two days after the race if they were something unable to be used in local racing.

2 packs @ $100.00 minus $70 bucks EACH used after, about 60 bucks spent on battery to run the BIG SHOW included in the $1000.00 would be no big deal, but that's me.

LIPO is so much better, even with the complaints than NiMh was the last couple years... but it's not perfect...

There will never be anything perfect but when something seems allot better it kind of sucks to still here some complaining. Racing will always be the same where everyone tries to go as fast as possible to win. Everyone beleives they need the latest a greatest.

As a company selling products to the racers it gets kind of old to hear the complaining as if racers would stop buying the latest and greatest we would keep selling the same products. Bottom line is that racers always are looking for that edge.

There is nothing much you can do to a lipo to get it to run faster expcept heating and overcharging which I'm against both of these things. You would be surprised to see how many emails I get from racers asking me how to charge to get more power. The racer always wants to maximize his chances which is the basics of racing.

So the ones who complain about new technology should find a class that limits it or maybe understand the what racing has always been about.

i dont know much a lipos but if every who races only buys 2 pack a year smc and all battery manufacturer will not be around. i think its better them buying 12 packs of round a year because 6 of the packs blow up

The case I tried to make several months ago was

OWN a

ORION 3200
SMC 3200
SMC 5000

and for the price of 3 battery packs you could race ANYWHERE - you can't ask for more than that. I got beat up by racers for that suggestion.


That was me several months ago. I actually started using the SMC 3200 lipo for my local club racing and saving the good Orion 3200 I had left for Joe's series. I thought I was covered.

5000 SMC Battery for 17.5 lipo at Big Races, check.
3200 SMC lipo for club racing, check
3200 Orion Lipo for SWT, check

Sold the Orion and my SMC 3200 has been voted illegal for local club racing and the 5000 SMC lipo I bought for the Oval Masters is now obsolete. Two months ago, I thought I was covered and in good shape. Now not so much...

I will probably race the 5000/28C SMC in 17.5 because I am not a good enough wheel to tell the difference between 28C and 40C anyway.

I can let on a little more info, from some of the racers I get complaints from...

We've got guys (NOT unlike Carpet guys back east I'm sure) who only get the opportunit to race a few months a year (due to other obligations)

EVERY year, there PERFECTLY good working stuff is obsolete when the come back to the track. The GOOD side with LIPO vs NiMh is, they can put those cells away for the season...and they will still work great when they NEED them to in 3-4 months. If the rules structure stays close to the same...they will still have a product they can FEEL confident with. But if the rules allow for NEW BIG numbers...they will FEEL they have to buy new crap once again...

Those people aren't like me who buys stuff and runs it until it won't make another lap. My stuff almost NEVER goes obsolete, it gets USED UP....and when it's NO GOOD for Oval Racing, it move into a Touring Car, or a STREET BASHER to chase the neighbor kids on their bicycles, and draw crowds of neighbors out to watch crazy street drifting and speed runs.

ok, So you guys as the consumers should demand a Cap. Come on cars are fast enough, run time is fine. So

Cap it! all the clubs and organizations.

Is anyone going to be happy?

T2C,

That IS what I thought was happening last year when we started this deal. We had a great shot at putting a cap on things, but somehow someone decided we needed to OPEN the rules to the larger capacity lipos (bigger than what we started with) and let the big 5000+ sticks in. Even though the (2) classes using lipo only use around 2200-2300 mAh's or less in a (5) five minute race. (and some of the places making this call had NEVER run a lipo pack in an oval car, when they pushed to open the rules)

Now we have OVAL classes using all kinds of weird rules, some completely open on batteries, some staying with (4) cell, some with ORION lipos, some SMC's, some 3800 and lower limits, some 3200 limits, some BRAND limits but NO mah limit. Then throw in the mix the new TRINITY COT Class at the birds... but a year ago there was a HUGE call to get rid of having SOOO many classes, and it looked like we were on track to achieve just that.

probably the only racer that is going to see the biggest difference between a 28c and a 40c pack is those that are racing 1/8 scale off road or dirt oval, with the heavier cars i would say they are the ones that will benifit the most from a 40c pack, most oval racers i don't believe will see much power difference between the two other than maybe a little more punch at the start, which i know sometimes that can mean an A main win or loss. soemtimes I think we as oval racers tend get cought up in the numbers game to much at times, and that tends to affect our racing attitude twards the products being produced. but thats just my opinion... 'its a competitve market and manufactures are going to do what they need to do to be competitve with one another to compete for your dollars!! it's up to us as racer to decide which one to get and it's up to the Track owners and promoters to set the rules on what they will allow and what they won't allow.. now this is just my opinion, not claming to an expert in the business.

jon
Fantom racing

those who are passionate about saving the racers money need to spend "ALL" of there free time .....

1)join roar
2)than ask roar in an email,newspaper ad...sky writing...phone call...TO MAKE IT ONE YEAR FOR NEW LIPO APPROVALS!!!!
3)start your own series (like sonny did)
4)ask your track owner...operator to cap the packs for a years time


WHAT YOU SHOULD NOT DO
1)BLAME SMC,THUNDERPOWER OR TRINITY!!
2)bitch and moan on a smc thread about rules for other events and tracks!
3)touch a hot stove! (threw that in for reaction)

stop hi jacking a quality smc thread and allow those whi embrace technology to brown nose with danny!

Joe-

You and I agree on a lot of things, but you are way off on this one. You are talking about people splitting classes and spending more money on packs and things like that, but is't that exactly what your series has done? As far as I know your series way out on the left coast is the only one that uses the Orion battery. Now that is not a bash of Orion at all, but the fact is noone other than your series uses them for oval racing.

Danny has said that he will keep the 3200 28c available for up to 2 years, and maybe beyond. How is that any different from what you have done with Orion? As far as I know you have signed a contract with them to keep this the same.

Yes I think it is kind of crazy to release these right before the biggest race of the year, but to be honest we have been racing for almost 4 months now on the current packs. That is from September to December. Guess what that is what the MAJORITY of oval racers have been doing. If you plot out where oval racing is you would see that about 90 or more percent of it happens from the midwest to the east coast. So our major season is from lets say Sept. to May (or so). What oval racer would really be upset about spending $90 bucks every 4 to 6 months for 1 battery pack?

SO I will leave it at this. If your series adopted the SMC battery then your racers would only need a battery every 6 months. As it stands right now they need an orion pack, and an SMC pack if they travel to other events or tracks. SO you see you are causing an issue as well for your guys.

I dont want to call you out on that, but that is how I see. it. Again this is not to hurt you or your series at all, just calling it how I see it from the other side of the country.

Yes I think it is kind of crazy to release these right before the biggest race of the year, but to be honest we have been racing for almost 4 months now on the current packs.

It's not crazy. If you want to blame someone for this blame ROAR for having a Jan. 1 deadline for new cells or blame Mike for holding the Snowbirds so close to this deadline. Either of them could have avoided this if they wanted to. I have nothing against ROAR or Mike, but it is just a silly to blame them as it is to blame the battery manufacturers. Most manufacturers will submit cells as close to the deadline as they can to make sure they have the latest technology legal for the next 6 months.

It's not crazy. If you want to blame someone for this blame ROAR for having a Jan. 1 deadline for new cells or blame Mike for holding the Snowbirds so close to this deadline. Either of them could have avoided this if they wanted to. I have nothing against ROAR or Mike, but it is just a silly to blame them as it is to blame the battery manufacturers. Most manufacturers will submit cells as close to the deadline as they can to make sure they have the latest technology legal for the next 6 months.

True. But in the near future this will all be fixed (hopefully) with the 6 month rule.

WHAT YOU SHOULD NOT DO
1)BLAME SMC,THUNDERPOWER OR TRINITY!!
2)bitch and moan on a smc thread about rules for other events and tracks!
3)touch a hot stove! (threw that in for reaction)

stop hi jacking a quality smc thread and allow those whi embrace technology to brown nose with danny!

And the fish tells it the way it is again but will it be read and understood.




Make a new thread if you want to pound out a solution to the approval process cause it isn't any of SMC's concern they are playing by the rules they have been given.

Joe, Joe, Joe..............

Please drink your hater-aid elsewhere and leave SMC alone. If you can't stay away then please split up your time and play-a-hate on another thread instead of writing novels on here.

Man..............this is like RCTech all over again. Same song different dance!

It's not crazy. If you want to blame someone for this blame ROAR for having a Jan. 1 deadline for new cells or blame Mike for holding the Snowbirds so close to this deadline. Either of them could have avoided this if they wanted to. I have nothing against ROAR or Mike, but it is just a silly to blame them as it is to blame the battery manufacturers. Most manufacturers will submit cells as close to the deadline as they can to make sure they have the latest technology legal for the next 6 months.

Well said there Hank!

FUNNY Guys, find me ONE hateful word I've said ANYWHERE...

Talk about drinking the KOOL-Aid

Joe-

You and I agree on a lot of things, but you are way off on this one. You are talking about people splitting classes and spending more money on packs and things like that, but is't that exactly what your series has done? As far as I know your series way out on the left coast is the only one that uses the Orion battery. Now that is not a bash of Orion at all, but the fact is noone other than your series uses them for oval racing.

Danny has said that he will keep the 3200 28c available for up to 2 years, and maybe beyond. How is that any different from what you have done with Orion? As far as I know you have signed a contract with them to keep this the same.

Yes I think it is kind of crazy to release these right before the biggest race of the year, but to be honest we have been racing for almost 4 months now on the current packs. That is from September to December. Guess what that is what the MAJORITY of oval racers have been doing. If you plot out where oval racing is you would see that about 90 or more percent of it happens from the midwest to the east coast. So our major season is from lets say Sept. to May (or so). What oval racer would really be upset about spending $90 bucks every 4 to 6 months for 1 battery pack?

SO I will leave it at this. If your series adopted the SMC battery then your racers would only need a battery every 6 months. As it stands right now they need an orion pack, and an SMC pack if they travel to other events or tracks. SO you see you are causing an issue as well for your guys.

I dont want to call you out on that, but that is how I see. it. Again this is not to hurt you or your series at all, just calling it how I see it from the other side of the country.


Joel,

Don't ya think it's just a bit funny. I worked my butt off trying to get the 2 BL/LIPO classes off the ground. Nay Sayers said they would never fly, they ARE fast growing classes NATIONWIDE, yet we're only a small west coast series ourselves. We never intended (well, we did, but that's another story) for these classes to become the BIGGEST OVAL classes. There were to be the ARCOR "Spec" COT class and OUR CLASSES as we structured them.

Last year, several other places adopted our original rules package and used those as their guidlines and enjoyed the racing. ORION Dropped the ball by discontinuing their 3200 pack as REEDY and a few other came out with theirs, then SMC came out with thiers as well. No Problem in that idea (from where I stand) except that the REEDY pack could have been compatible with the Orion, and the SMC was much more dominate in their numbers. STILL No biggie to me other than I had honestly hoped to be able to see MULTI Manufactures products be used in LIPO racing, yet not have to have the BS Pissing Macth of products.

I was tickled to death when the CLASSES that would never work started spreading like wild fire. WHY? Because it meant that we wouldn't have to buy the NOVAK MOTORS from the SHOP a TRON, and the BL LIPO classes would bring on some great competition (WHICH THEY WILL and HAVE) So far I haven't been WRONG about MUCH with these classes (Oh btw - I felt from DAY ONE 21.5/LIPO was too fast too and something SLOWER was needed...but I was told there was NO WAY any battery company would build a 1 cell LIPO Race Pack - NO MARKET FOR IT) and DANNY wasn't even going to DO a lipo pack at that time.

As far as MY racers having to worry about packs... I hope a dozen or so of them chime in (which they usually won't) THEY DON'T have to buy a NEW pack every 6 months. We've used the SAME packs for 15 months now, and many of our guys will use the same packs into NEXT season. THAT'S what they were looking for. (6 months is good - 12 months is better...how do you beat 15 months on the SAME batteries and still lay down the SAME CONSISTANT lap times? )

As far as what the "REST OF THE COUNTRY" is now doing w/ OVAL racing...I'm not the one who's spouting ROAR stuff. I don't FOLLOW ROAR, I may push them a little here and there... BUT ROAR HAS NO OVAL RULES, NO ROAR OVAL CLASSES ALLOW BRUSHLESS/LIPO

The NATIONALS did not follow ROAR RULES, they used rules CREATED BY THE TRACK -- if you like those RULES, you better talk your OVAL Committee into writing those RULES and get them submitted so you can run that class(es) in 2009.

(You guys spend too much time trying to bash ME...but if you haven't noticed - it DOESN'T Phase ME much!~)

But keep the attacks coming -- at least it keeps the board from being BORING!

Could you please post specs on the 40C 3200


Weight Difference?

Maybe I overlooked it if it was allready posted?

Thanks,
Brian

Thanks for making another great product Danny.

Could you please post specs on the 40C 3200


Weight Difference?

Maybe I overlooked it if it was allready posted?

Thanks,
Brian


Info will be available once we get the packs in. So as soon as I get the info I will post it.

.



I have to say, the SMC pack being added to one CA track caused issues, and cost the track racers. I don't have the full story, as I don't race currently at that track, however, I do know that I was told the racers from that track just recently took a vote to STOP this from further splintering the west coast oval group, and they are adopting the rules we set up for OUR series.

(Yes, even SMC)

now joe i am crazy and biased...but...this sounds like smc bashing to my ears and eyes..

somehow an smc PACK RUINED A TRACK?


AGAIN IF ROAR ALLOWS A APPROVAL 2 TIMES A YEAR YOU CAN BET THAT THE WEEK BEFORE WE WILL SEE NEW LIPOS...


you can argue if it's good for the racers till your blue in the face...it won't help...

join roar and complain to them!
join roar and complain to them
join roar and complain to them

Last year, several other places adopted our original rules package and used those as their guidlines and enjoyed the racing. ORION Dropped the ball by discontinuing their 3200 pack as REEDY and a few other came out with theirs, then SMC came out with thiers as well. No Problem in that idea (from where I stand) except that the REEDY pack could have been compatible with the Orion, and the SMC was much more dominate in their numbers. STILL No biggie to me other than I had honestly hoped to be able to see MULTI Manufactures products be used in LIPO racing, yet not have to have the BS Pissing Macth of products.




and this is a utopia....40 lipo manufacturers and you want them all to be the same but different? r/c racing is too small to sustain 40 lipo companies all making lipos very close in performance...the strong survive and the poo poo closes it's doors...well unless the govt steps up and bails out orion..oops did i just say that? ahhahahah:rolleyes:

Wow Kat, I can cut and paste too. Nice job making it look like a jab w/o it being...

THIS was the quote involving the (Yes, even SMC)

Have a nice day, and wonderful Holidays to ALL of you and remember, this is NOT personal to me. It's about the RACING.

Our racing will be very good in '09, and I hope success for everyone else as well. (Yes, even SMC)

I have admitted I don't like certain things that happen in the BUSINESS end of this hobby. But I've watched you ATTACK people, just to be an ASS, so climb off your TOTEM POLE.

I tried to walk away fairly peacfully from this tread, but ya want to keep calling me out - I'll keep coming back....

oh, and Kat....I don't know how long you've been on the SMC briggade...cause I know you use to have POWER PUSH all over your name.

While I haven't run for any specific battery company directly since I started doing my series, the last (3) years of running NiMh I ran pretty much NOTHING but SMC's ...and I was a PAYING cutomer, and bought both On-Line and from my LHS.

So my question is when are the speed control manufacturers going to catch up with the battery companies? Last week at the Open Wheel I know of at least 6 speed controls burning up due to 40c packs.

joe i'm glad you know where to spend your hard earn dollars..SMC

it's ashame you made "your drivers buy something else with there hard earned dollars,lol.

all we are asking for is for you to stop complaining about how bad the rules are....

join roar and complain to them....otherwise just worry about what (you can control)

and yes joe i'm an ass....a smart one though....and i only tell it like it is...sometimes it's good reading others times not so good....

pick your battles with the correct enemy is all...i won't pay roar a dime....so i can't tell them what to do with there rules..and unless something better than roar comes along the manufacturers will need to comply to there rules.

and joe you don't attack tony at power push so no need to mention him...but he is a good friend always has and always will..

So my question is when are the speed control manufacturers going to catch up with the battery companies? Last week at the Open Wheel I know of at least 6 speed controls burning up due to 40c packs.


that isn't a C rating problem i'm sure...

operator error and just plain faulty esc's..

i have seen blue,orange and black all burn up....
but i have seen those same companies esc's burn up in brushed racing as well...

Kat,

I guess you don't get it, unlike YOU I don't attack any individual (Not even you)

You said on another thread you HATE Orion. I don't HATE SMC or any other R/C Manufactuing company...not even the Big "T"

Why did I make MY drivers BUY ORION? Well, lets see. SMC wanted NOTHING to do w/ LIPO, and ORION had been in the LIPO business for a COUPLE YEARS, and had a stable product. (Stable enough they are still going 3 years after they were put together.)

I don't care about ROAR and ROAR's rules. Danny is the one who says he built the ROAR legal packs for ROAR Lipo Oval Racing (to which there are NO SUCH RULES) they were track rules.

Nobody is an 'enemy' of MINE, although apparently I am to others who in some way must feel threatened by my comments and/or statements.

And by the way...you don't "always tell it like it IS", you "Tell it like you WANT it to be"

and...as you well know, I have NO problem bantering with YOU, no matter how skewed you are on a subject...regardless the outcome, and given the chance I'd still go out of my way to bend over backwards to HELP you in any way I possibly COULD ... LIKE I said "It's NOT personal for ME"

Why do you say we weren't interested in Lipos ? It took us some time to find a supplier that we trust and we can work with. We could of just bought from the same suppliers that most buy from but that is not what SMC is about. So yes it took us a year to get our Lipo program figured out but we must of done somehting right as our 5000 pack was the leader for 10 months.

When you have a few oval racers that ask you if you plan on doing a 3200 Lipo as it's not only the Orion 3200 that can be used at the Nats. I guess if you were in my place you would of asked your supplier to get you a lower voltage 3200 with 20C to compete with the Orion pack ? That makes no sense. SMC will always be about offering the best possible packs to it's customers. I run SMC like it would be my race car. I'm always trying to make it go faster. I really don't see a problem with this but then again as a racer I just buy what I feel will get the job done and I don't get on message boards telling Novak , Trinity , Orion and others that they shouldn't release new motors, speed controls or other products.

Why do you say we weren't interested in Lipos ?

Danny,

I approached you on RCTech and YOU told me in a direct answer to my question when I very first got involved in the idea of using LIPOS for OUR Oval Racing, that you had no interest in LIPOS and felt they would NEVER be used in racing.

As far as MY racers having to worry about packs... I hope a dozen or so of them chime in (which they usually won't) THEY DON'T have to buy a NEW pack every 6 months. We've used the SAME packs for 15 months now, and many of our guys will use the same packs into NEXT season. THAT'S what they were looking for. (6 months is good - 12 months is better...how do you beat 15 months on the SAME batteries and still lay down the SAME CONSISTANT lap times? )



I personally was looking for compatibility with the other classes being run in the country. I am a bit disappointed that I now have to buy yet another new battery, but I really do understand why Joe has done what he did with locking in Orion with his series. He does a ton for our local racing and has nothing but the best of intentions for paved oval. If buying an Orion is the price to pay to support him and run his series, so be it.

I didn't vote for Orion when my local track voted, nor do I have any input on how Joe run's his series. But the majority of racers here (all of them really), do not travel and using a battery that was compatible to last years batteries was in the best interest of all the racers. We have quite a few guys that have pit boxes full of Orion 3200's.

I'll get a chance to use my SMC's when I travel :D