Gee, spend a day away from the computer and look what I miss. Let's just step back and take this one step at a time.

First we have to get the course finished. That is going to be difficult to do until some of the 2 foot of snow on the ground melts away and we can actually see what is available for rock. I will try to get in touch with my source, but things are definitely on hold until Friday with the holiday.

Second, we need to organize the club. Name, structure, responsibilities, etc.

Third, we need to come up with the rules by which we will play. I have seldom seen this resolved via forum discussion. It usually leads to misunderstandings and misinterpretations. This should be done face to face during a meeting of the club with the rules posted once they have been established.

So, everyone take a deep breath, relax, do your research and be prepared to share when the time comes. Until then let's keep things positive and constructive.

What Your computer wont tolerate the LOSI site?
You A&E puke.:thumbsup:
hahahahahahahaaha dont want a virus in my comp i just got it fixed losi is bad news:dude:

Ok, here are my two rigs. The first started out life as a Tamiya Juggernaut 2 and has an ESP Lwb conversion, Locked diffs, HPI Savage shocks, Revo driveshafts, Great Planes gear reduction unit, and homemade triangulated 4-link setup (with two broken links :freak:). The second started as a Tamiya TLT and I'm in the process of finishing that one up to tide me over until March when the Losi is released. It has locked front, rear and center diffs, heavy duty HPI belt with a homemade tensioner, Adjustable shock mounts, Losi Shocks, hogged out motor mount to fit a 96t spur and run a 12t pinion for a crawl ratio of 46:1. I just ordered a bunch of parts to beef up the axles and give me another 15 degrees of steering throw.

All of my rigs will have Jeep bodies as well. B/C we all know what Jeep really stands for right? Just Empty Every Pocket!

"The Beast"
http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/IMG_0001.jpg

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/IMG_0002.jpg

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/IMG_0004.jpg

The unfinished TLT rig
http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/IMG_0006.jpg

i like the ------->f on the tlt hahahahahahahahah

haha, you like that? Damn thing looks the same front or back until you get the servo in it.

And I agree with John, the rules should be the last thing we worry about, but it seems that Murphy's law would apply here. If we change the nationally accepted rules we will alienate ourselves from everyone else. Just let us know when the meeting will be to go over everything and I'll be there.

John We need a Meeting..... I'm good for friday or this weekend!

Yeah rules are fine, but i'm not running my Scorpion against someone with a DIG. So if a person can make a corner with a DIG and i cant then i'd might as well just grab my truck and manually turn it. How is using a Dig challenging??

The purpose of Rock Crawling is the SKILL of getting a standard 4wd over and arround something the best you can. Thats what it all about, the skill of TRYing to make it. Not using something to make you complete the turn! Its the same as 4-wheel steer,{it helps you steer}. Wheres the SKILL in that?

thats why there must be classes. cause i'm only running under FARE conditions against an equal opponent


John We need a Meeting..... I'm good for friday or this weekend!

YOU CAN BUY A DIG FOR 40.00 AND A SERVO FOR 30.00 HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU ALREADY SPENT?

THERE ARE MANY GUYS WITH SKILLS THAT BEAT OTHERS WITHOUT USING DIG YOU NEED TO COMPETE BEFORE YOU THROW IN THE TOWEL THERE IS A LOT OF SKILL NEEDED TO USE THE DIG RIGHT AND IF YOU DON'T IT SOMETIMES HURTS YOU..

COME OUT TO MY PLACE AND RUN MY TRUCK AND SEE WHAT YA THINK????
WE HAVE A COMP ON
January
3rd-4th
17th-18th

AND PLEASE REALIZE:
That BFG has to make things that work for them and keep them in Biz so if you guys decide something different than you will just be limiting the crowd even more. and it is hard to say ok this week dig is opk but only when we have this going on and not next week .........will be much easier to just follow what is already done

and my rear wheels dont turn so its nothing like 4ws

I can drive just fine without a dig

If you don' want to run against people with a dig then put a set of 1.9 tires on and run in that class.

I guess i'll just run what i got

Sounds like fun. hopefully everyone can put this issue to rest now

Well i guess i'll just have to beat you with a cheap truck then. LOL. I'll just have to show people that dont agree with me that you CAN win without a DIG.


I'm really tired of this agruement. I'll just try and hold my own,. I'm not a newbie at this.

End of disscussion from me!
Heres the problem we are not arguing we are talking about something in a public forum and actually this is a nice one so far trust me there were and are many guys that think like you and win and lose some but its not because of the dig

when you say classes I really dont understand what you mean
super=unlimited for the most part
2.2 comp=2.2 wheels and size limits
1.9 comp=1.9 wheel and size limits

if you mean like
17.5
13.5
stock
mod
these above classes are what killed offroad and onroad racing In my eyes

never said you were a newbie but if your not following the national set of rules then you will stay in your backyard and be a basher cause crawling is growing and you must grow with it or stay home and bash...thats not arguing that's the truth

and scale has a set of rules that will really get ya hot so stick with comp my friend

ttyl
Bob

keep dry and have a merry xmas and a safe new year

im done if you don't want to talk anymore

I am going to ask one more time that this discussion end in this forum. It is going nowhere. If anyone wants to continue it via PM please do so. We haven't set any rules yet and aren't ready to. Nor are we ready do have a discussion regarding them. In addition, when the discussion takes place, it will be face to face and amongst those that will be most involved with the program at BFG.

Twisted, I appreciate your interest in our program and I believe you are simply trying to help, but ultimately it will be up to myself and the club as to what we do. When we have decided we will post it. If you like it great, join us. If not then don't.

So please, no further discussion of rules in this forum. Again, these discussions will take place face to face.

Thank you!!!!

Sorry John enough said.

Crawling area looks pretty sweet! I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea how you "compete" in Rock Crawling, but I'm dying to see these things in action.

I hope they're not too cool or I'm going to end up with another truck :)

Ya better start saving Kzoo, there slow but a blast!! :thumbsup:

Twisted, I appreciate your interest in our program and I believe you are simply trying to help, but ultimately it will be up to myself and the club as to what we do. When we have decided we will post it. If you like it great, join us. If not then don't.


Thank you!!!!
:wave::wave:

How many does Sunday afternoon work for to have a meeting and get some things sorted out as to club, rules etc.?

That works for me John

Good Luck Guys Sorry I voiced a concern Hope it works out for you!!
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yeah sunday is good,..what time?

sunday works 4me ....post a time please. I have no preferance.
Is there anything to drive on yet?

I brought in about 25 rocks, I'm bringing my truck cause i did a few modifications and wanna play a bit. You can crawl arround on the wood structure itself, but theres not many rocks.

We still have acouple of adjustments to make on the cable crossing area of the course other than that,..we need rocks.

How 'bout we say 1:00 on Sunday for a meeting to get discussions started.

1:00 works...see you(all) then.

I will be bringing three tiny bridges out of popsicle sticks to demonstrate different methods of construction. Two offer different levels of crossing difficulty by allowing vehicle induced movement of the bridge surface. If everyone likes a design we can add it into the course layout.:thumbsup:

Sunday at 1 sounds good for me.

By the way, MERRY CHRISTMAS everybody!!!!!!
:thumbsup: :woohoo:

For those of us that are new to this crawling thing here is a good start.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4521
There is a lot of information in this!!
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Hey Traxxas,...didnt I read you saying acouple dayz ago that you would be putting together an Axial on x-mas day???

how'd the build go??,....crawling arround yet?? I've been working on mine too, I had it all apart last night,..re-greesed the tranny, and axle gears, I had to shim my axle gears cause they've worn down a bit since i've had it, just kinda doing a PM check on everything. I slammed my truck down, added some more weight here and there, got a new body, and tires, i've been crawling all arround the house latley. I crawled down a Flight of stairs yesterday,..11 steps to be exact. Made it successfully too. I was trying to impress some older people thats never seen a truck like that b-4 in there life,.LOL

Going out shopping today,...well heading to SideTrax to pic up some parts. So anyway!

All have a good weekend, see ya'all Sunday. i'll be there early arround Noon if John is there by then, to work a bit on the course.

:thumbsup:Hey Traxxas,...didnt I read you saying acouple dayz ago that you would be putting together an Axial on x-mas day???

how'd the build go??,....crawling arround yet?? I've been working on my too, I had it all apart last night,..re-greesed the tranny, and axle gears, just kinda doing a PM check on everything. I slammed my truck down, added some more weight here and there, got a new body, and tires, i've been crawling all arround the house latley. I crawled down a Flight of stairs yesterday,..11 steps to be exact. Made it successfully too. I was trying to impress some older people thats never seen a truck like that b-4 in there life,.LOL

Going out shopping today,...well heading to SideTrax to pic up some parts. So anyway!

All have a good weekend, see ya'all Sunday. i'll be there early arround Noon if John is there by then, to work a bit on the course.

Yeah I started it last night and let me tell you this is fun. I have never put a car/truck together before, already broke a part putting it together! Guess they were not kidding when they said it would take 4-5 hours, I think I made it to page 4 before the meds startes kicking in. Does SideTrax carry Axial parts? Anyways I will be bringing the tennis balls by tonite or Sunday during the meeting. :thumbsup:

No SideTrax doesnt. you can acually order them faster than he can get'em anyway. Why, what part did u break, I may have a spare............

No SideTrax doesnt. you can acually order them faster than he can get'em anyway. Why, what part did u break, I may have a spare............


AX80003--It snapped when I was putting in the flanged ball. By the way what did you use to put your battery on the front axle. I see there is a option part in the instructions, but was wondering if there is a homemade fix.

1:00 PM Sunday works for me John. If we are going to be discussing the rules, I think every one should print a set out to bring to the meeting. The rules can be found at this address. http://www.usrcca.com/rules2008.pdf

See i'm still old school, i still run the full 6c NiMH packs, I have a 3300 and a 3600 for my Axial. I took the Batt. pack and velcro strapped it on the underside of the top of the batt. plate. So i slid in the pack threw the front between the front shocks, so one end of the pack was up next to the tranny, and put the velcro straps arround the bottom of the pack and up over the original batt. plate. NOW my battery is lower and more forward. I didnt like all that crap mounted up on the axle, I think it looks tacky. I like a clean look of the axles. I mount every thing up under the body, out of sight.

pn ax80003 is the axle. you broke it?? No i dont have a spare. sorry.

These are old pics, but you can see how my batt. is...it works out just fine that way, never moves, stays right there, and made a BIG difference.

Sounds like Sunday at 1:00 works to get together and hash out the club and rules.

See you there!!!

pn ax80003 is the axle. you broke it?? No i dont have a spare. sorry.


No it is the piece that attaches under the axle, you put the flange ball in the center and attach it to the axle with the two long screws. Sorry it is part AX80003-3, it is on page 5 of the manual upper right hand side. :thumbsup:

No traxxasNewbie, dont have a spare, I just got back from sidetrax. He doesnt have much. Nothing for the Axial. i just had to get odds and ends

Well i guess i'll just have to beat you with a cheap truck then. LOL. I'll just have to show people that dont agree with me that you CAN win without a DIG.


I'm really tired of this agruement. I'll just try and hold my own,. I'm not a newbie at this.

End of disscussion from me!

hey bro im not starting beef i see both sides of the argument but i have been at bfg since the beggining and this is the same thread with all the arguing that scares people away ive seen it hell i sure ive caused some of it.. we need to talk in person or on the phone cause theres probably guys on hobbytalk thinking of coming to bfg and are now backing out because they think were unorganized lets just take a breather get some rock on the track few meetings then go at it no rock means no crawling if were not crawling why have the rules already?? were trying to bring em in not run em out.. im new to this crawler stuff hell i got a super hopefully at my neighbors waiting for me when i get back to mi so im already in the wrong direction but im runnin it i got 2 servos locked diffs and all the goodies not to mention its huge..im just sayin lets have some fun xxx:thumbsup:

No it is the piece that attaches under the axle, you put the flange ball in the center and attach it to the axle with the two long screws. Sorry it is part AX80003-3, it is on page 5 of the manual upper right hand side. :thumbsup:

hahahaha breaking stuff putting it togather i feel sorry for your kids when u change there diapers hahahahahahahahahaha :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Shawn is taken care of.
I ordered him a new one.

we just need to have fun!

There will be plenty of room for fun. Club events can always have a bit more relaxed rule structure. When we start to talk competitions that we want other clubs and organizations to participate in, we have to have a more structured set of rules.

Forums just aren't the place for these types of discussions. Meaning gets lost and things get misinterpreted. People get upset and feelings get hurt. Been there and don't want to go there again.

If you want to start your own thread just about rules and the discussion of them without mentioning BFG and what we are or are not doing, have at it.

The discussion of rules and guidelines for BFG will take place Sunday, December 28, at 1:00. Face to face where we can work it out then post what we come up with.

Thanks!!!

No it is the piece that attaches under the axle, you put the flange ball in the center and attach it to the axle with the two long screws. Sorry it is part AX80003-3, it is on page 5 of the manual upper right hand side. :thumbsup:Hobby sports in Portage has a fare selection of AX10 parts RTR,stock,option and lots of INTEGY shiny stuff.

I forgot about that place in Portage,..Last time i was there they had an indoor and outdoor track,. I heard they did away with the outdoor one. They've allways had a big selection of parts. I guess you could drive down there from G.R., maybe about 60 some miles and how much gas? or order parts and wait 2 days...... But still wouldnt mind driving down there and checking it out sometime.

I like shiny stuff,.....gotta have some Bling!

thats why i love Axial! they has so many options,....I like a variety of choices, colors and styles, and the different companys, cause each co. always does alittle different design compared to somone else.

www.integy.com has a good online selection

Don't forget. 1:00 meeting at BFG Sunday to discuss club formation and rules.

See you there!!!!

Sunday at 1:00 doesn't work for all of us John. I can't make it. Why can't we schedule it for a later date, like after New years?

Thanks for the input Andy.

I know some of the guys were anxious to put some things together. I am thinking today could be kind of an organizational thing with a later meeting to present proposals to the club membership for discussion and final approval?

My thought is that at the first "official" meeting of the club, anyone in attendance would be considered a charter member and we would get an approval of anything on the table at that time.

Thinking we will come up with some things today, put them out there for consideration, have input given to one or two individuals and then have a first "official" club meeting in the next week or two.

Sound ok?

Well it is official!!!

We have formed Battle Front Rock Crawlers. The meeting yesterday was a rough draft of what we want to accomplish as a club and what we want to do to promote the rock crawling side of BFG. We will be having our first "official" meeting on Sunday January 4th at 1:00pm. Anyone that is interested in what is going on in regards to rock crawling at BFG is encouraged to come. We are going to need volunteers to help out in certain areas. At the meeting we will be finalizing most of the details as to what was discussed at the meeting yesterday. It is our hope to become the premier rock crawling club in Michigan!!

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Is it possible to make the meetings on any other days besides Sundays?

Is it possible to make the meetings on any other days besides Sundays?
sunday=porn day???? :thumbsup:

Is it possible to make the meetings on any other days besides Sundays?

As of right now most of the people that expressed interest said that Sundays work best for them. We understand that not everyone can make it out on a Sunday but we had to pick a day that also does not interfere with other events that are already taking place at BFG. If you have any ideas or thoughts that you would like expressed at the meeting and cannot be there please feel free to PM me and I will bring them up at the meeting on Sunday.
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sunday=porn day???? :thumbsup:

Isnt that every day?
:):):)