I dont wanna ask a stupid question, but what the Heck does DNS stand for?

I'm not a texting freak like most people now adays, so can someone enlighten me?

ev2fast!! ......what are you trying to say, cause i dont understand what your last message meant,.......I'm just curious
DNS is my racing buddies user name, I'm trying to convert him over to the slow side.

ROCK ON! ev2slow Oh yeah DNS (did not start)

I'm still planning on going to BFG today at noon, crappy weather or not. is anyone else gonna show? I'm bringing in about 25 rocks, a couple basket ball size, and the rest are alittle smaller, I'm gonna bring my truck today, so i can play arround abit,. we'll have some rocks to try out.

i'm gonna load everything to bring over so is anyone gonna be there to let me in??? i think Shane is going as well as me.

I'd like to see the school bus driver show up, anyone else??

I am still planning on being there around 11 to open the place up.

See you there!!!

Thankx John,.....I'll be there arround 12-12:30

I'm here and they have even plowed the lot already.

I will be there shortly

who has committed to paying 30.00 per month or 5.00 to practice here?
is there a following?

Well, considering construction of the track was just started last Thursday and is not yet competed, it is hard to say what kind of following we have or will have.

Well, considering construction of the track was just started last Thursday and is not yet competed, it is hard to say what kind of following we have or will have.just asking a question was wondering about how many guys in that area were involved on rcc they said something about crawling being dead in that area? that's all:thumbsup:

Brian and myself finished roughing in the crawler coarse today. Now all we need are the rocks and some volunteers. John said he will let everyone know when the rocks become available.

Sounds great. Be sure to keep us posted and I will be there every chance possible.

I threw my back out shoveling yesterday. If we are going to get the rocks after the holiday I am in to help. Also I took pics but the file size is to big to post here.

You may have to post it on photobucket and transfer the link. That is what I had to do last time.

just asking a question was wondering about how many guys in that area were involved on rcc they said something about crawling being dead in that area? that's all:thumbsup:

Hoping we can prove them wrong like we did with indoor dirt oval. We get 25 people on average every Saturday night for oval and that surprised a lot of people.

Plans for spring include a large outdoor course and a rock racing track. If it is dead hopefully our efforts will resurrect it.

Heres some pics,....... I'm just working on installing my new tires and painting my new crawler body,. havent been on here in awhile.

Well,...when we get a thaw, so we can see the rocks, OR if John can get that guy to just make a trip over in a loader or a dump truck with a full load of 'em

HEY John,....yeah weather its dead or not, US alone will play.................!

Nice THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE FOR STUFF HOPE IT TAKES OFF WHEN YOU GET ALL THE ROCK IN THERE LET US KNOW WE WILL DRIVE OUT FOR A COMP

man... i wish money grew on trees... i think i may need to find some money to get myself a crawler.... that looks like loads of fun

We do have a cable crossing as well, its by the window, you cant see it it the pics. you'll just have to wait till you run on it. yeah this track is gonna rock. just imagine dumping a bunch of rocks over a Giant egg carton!

Looks awsome!!!! I will be sure to check it out tonight.

It would be nice if someone has a bunch of tennis balls to donate to cut in half and use as course markers. This way a group of guys can get together and challenge each other to different lines. Hopefully there will be a line to run scale rigs on as well. I havent built a scale truck yet but would really like to. Guys do some amazing things with these scale trucks.

It would be nice if someone has a bunch of tennis balls to donate to cut in half and use as course markers. This way a group of guys can get together and challenge each other to different lines. Hopefully there will be a line to run scale rigs on as well. I havent built a scale truck yet but would really like to. Guys do some amazing things with these scale trucks.

I have two tubes of tennis balls that I do not use. I will bring them by on Friday. I have also ordered a set of gate markers.

Crawler came today along with all the goodies. I will be spending Christmas day setting that bad boy up!!!

Crawler came today along with all the goodies. I will be spending Christmas day setting that bad boy up!!!

Cool!!!! What crawler did you go with?

since i donated 95% of the lumber and 25 rocks so far, i'm out on the tennis balls.

I'd think about 2 dozen T-balls would be good enough, that 48 halfs. 24 gates

or less, whatever

Or a set of main gates one color,..and the alternate routes a different color.

Cool!!!! What crawler did you go with?

AX10 Kit w/Tekin FXR and Hitec high torque servo running on a Spektrum DX2.0

since i donated 95% of the lumber and 25 rocks so far, i'm out on the tennis balls.

I'd think about 2 dozen T-balls would be good enough, that 48 halfs. 24 gates

or less, whatever

Or a set of main gates one color,..and the alternate routes a different color.

We obviously know the common rules per say for rock crawling,....But why not have some of our own rules as well. If we lived in California where it was for common or normal to be more Professional about it , and if we knew that we'd be turnning people away at events due to too many people. then applying the RIGHT rules would be manditory! What are the RIGHT rules anyway??.....the rules could be different, the rules can double for many many different reasons, adding a rule or removing one should be tolerated! ANY RIG ANY MODFICATION. But we all dont have High Dollar Professional Rigs,....this is'nt the Olypics.

We HAVE to be flexable.............

We're here to have fun this isnt BOOT camp for rock crawling.

Right we should have fun, but we also need to have guidelines as I do not think that anyone should be able to come in and rearrange the course to their liking. From my understanding that is what we agreed upon at the meeting. Thank you for all that you have done so far as some of us are not construction capable. As was said before when John gets the rocks I will be more than willing to help and I also agree that we should not turn people away, this is a "hobby" and should be kept that way. :thumbsup:

I think it would be best to put this matter to a vote. I my self would rather use the existing rules that everyone else on the planet is already using to avoid arguing about who wants what rule. We have already had interest from other parties to come and do comp days with us. And if we start reinventing the wheel it will become nothing more than a big mess and organized crawling in Grand Rapids will die before it even gets started. Just to use as an example take rc car and truck racing. You can go any where and race and not have to ask what the rules are, because their all the same no matter where you go.

I think it would be best to put this matter to a vote. I my self would rather use the existing rules that everyone else on the planet is already using to avoid arguing about who wants what rule. We have already had interest from other parties to come and do comp days with us. And if we start reinventing the wheel it will become nothing more than a big mess and organized crawling in Grand Rapids will die before it even gets started. Just to use as an example take rc car and truck racing. You can go any where and race and not have to ask what the rules are, because their all the same no matter where you go.

I would have to agree. We should stick to the USRCCA. http://www.usrcca.com/rules2008.pdf
As for the meeting we should set one up and revisit the issue of a club and go from there.
:woohoo:

as a group you are much better of to stick with the national set of rules

Just my opinion of course but i have a problem with people running this DIG ! yes it helps you turn but we're not all running them. Most people dont have the luxury to go out and buy a Top Of The Line Truck. Most people are gonna be there with Scorpions or the Losi truck, Traxxas, whatever. If only one person runs a dig and wins, and all the other guys only have a basic truck, How is that fare.

Zman:

If you read the rules it states that anything in the 2.2 and 1.9 class have to run two wheel steer, that means no dig. Granted there are always going to be people that have to have the best and can afford it but if they do that right off the bat then they will win there class. It sucks but that is the whole reason for rules as for the majority of the people they will be in the "standard" classes as this is a relatively new class in RC, especially here in West Michigan. I think over time if we do things right the people will come and there will be enough to have multiple classes. What does everybody else think?

thats cool for me,.. only one class now i just read the rules myself, and i agree. you can have the best but have to drive like the rest.

I think TraxxasNewbie just ended that topic it should rest for now, we dont even have the rocks yet.

I also read the track can be anything,....no laws on how to build it, thats good at least.

Hey John:

Any word yet on the rocks? I am free on Friday and have a truck we can use if needed.

Sure thats fine but I do have this one problem though. Yes we can disscuss this in person but i want to state it on here for all to read.

Just my opinion of course but i have a problem with people running this DIG ! yes it helps you turn but we're not all running them. People in California run a dig cause there all running basically the same trucks. ar at least most have DIGs. practice you still have to drive

The Scorpion started the whole thing and it came how it did 2 straight axles both full locker if we stick to the general rules then fine stick to the GENERAL way a basic truck operates. two wheel steer in the front, 4wd! so do you oppose a berg axle truck also

if people can run a DIG then why cant i run 4-wheel steer. both serve the same perpose.

Most people dont have the luxury to go out and buy a Top Of The Line Truck. Most people are gonna be there with Scorpions or the Losi truck, Traxxas, whatever. If only one person runs a dig and wins, and all the other guys only have a basic truck, How is that fare. buy more toys

That may be the rule now,...But it started without...

if you run a dig then your in a different class. and if your only ONE then that wouldnt be any fun. it comes down to do you want to win buy a dig

thats the only rule problem i have. Other than that i good with the rules.

green is my rebuttal to you

I would stick with national rules so if anyone travels they can compete anywhere they want to and no troubles

Zman:

If you read the rules it states that anything in the 2.2 and 1.9 class have to run two wheel steer, that means no dig. Granted there are always going to be people that have to have the best and can afford it but if they do that right off the bat then they will win there class. It sucks but that is the whole reason for rules as for the majority of the people they will be in the "standard" classes as this is a relatively new class in RC, especially here in West Michigan. I think over time if we do things right the people will come and there will be enough to have multiple classes. What does everybody else think?it says nothing about no dig in 2.2
in the new 1.9 comp class there are specific rules on NO DIG you will turn many more people away by trying no dig vs just practice and get better

it says nothing about no dig




You are right about that in that it states no dig for the 1.9 class. As for the 2.2 that remains to be seen and I believe that is open for discussion. As far as I am concerned hop your crawler up the most you can. You will be in a class by yourself and that seems pretty boring to me.

Well allow me to retort, please take yourself to the rule book and read 2.4.8 I wonder what it says? Now does that apply to the 2.2 class? Or is it just for the 1.9 class. I think that is open to interpetation. :thumbsup:

2.2 - Class 1 - Super Crawler Class:
• 2.2.1 - No limits on wheelbase, vehicle track width or height.
• 2.2.2 - No limits on tire type or size.
• 2.2.3 - No limits to steering configuration.
• 2.2.4 - Super class bodiless over all dimension of the complete chassis must be at least 12"overall
length, 3" overall width, and 3.75" overall height
• 2.2.5 - If at any point during a run your vehicle falls out of these vehicle specs for any reason you will
be required to take a touch penalty and correct the problem.

2.3 - Class 2 – Class 2.2: If a Class 2 vehicle violates any of the following requirements it must run in Class 1.
• 2.3.1 - Vehicle wheelbase is limited to a maximum of 12.5 inches. This is determined by measuring
from centerline of front axle stub to centerline of rear axle stub, with all the wheels pointing straight
ahead, with the vehicles suspension holding it's own weight.
• 2.3.2 - Vehicle track width is limited to a maximum of 12.5 inches. This is determined by measuring
the bottom of the outer most edge of the front and rear tires while the vehicle is sitting on level
ground.
• 2.3.3 - Vehicle is limited to 2.2 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. Wheels may be
modified provided that the tire bead surface does not exceed 2.2 inches in diameter. Tires may be
modified from other sized tires using only a pliable rubber but must not exceed a total uncompressed
outer diameter of 6 inches.
• 2.3.4 - Vehicles are limited to 2-wheel steering only.
• 2.3.5 - 2.2 Crawler class bodiless overall dimension of the complete chassis must be at least
8"overall length, 3" overall width, and 3.75" overall height.
• 2.3.6 - If at any point during a run your vehicle falls out of these vehicle specs for any reason you will
be required to take a touch penalty and correct the problem.


2.4 - Class 3 – Class 1.9: If a Class 3 vehicle violates any of the following requirements it must run in Class 2
or Class 1 respectively.
• 2.4.1 - Vehicle wheelbase is limited to a maximum of 8.5 inches. This is determined by measuring
from centerline of front axle stub to centerline of rear axle stub, with all the wheels pointing straight
ahead, with the vehicles suspension holding it's own weight.
• 2.4.2 - Vehicle track width is limited to a maximum of 8 inches. This is determined by measuring the
bottom of the outer most edge of the front and rear tires while the vehicle is sitting on level ground.
• 2.4.3 - Vehicle is limited to 1.9 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. Wheels may be
modified provided that the tire bead surface does not exceed 1.9 inches in diameter. Tires may be
modified from other sized tires using only a pliable rubber but must not exceed a total uncompressed
outer diameter of 4.25 inches.
• 2.4.4 - Vehicles are limited to 2-wheel steering on front axle only.
• 2.4.5 - Vehicles are limited to the use of 2 channels radio control (one for steering & one for throttle)
only. Neither channel can be used to perform more than one function. Radio systems with more than
2 channels are allowed but only 2 channels can be used to control the vehicle.
• 2.4.6 - Vehicles are limited to 1 ESC & 1 servo only.
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• 2.4.7 - Vehicles are limited to 1 motor powering both of the axles.
• 2.4.8 – No driver controlled devices, other than steering and throttle control, will be allowed.
Independent throttle control to the front or rear axles (“burn” or “dig”), winching down the axles, and
forced articulation are not allowed in this class.
• 2.4.9 – A battery is limited to 8.4 nominal voltage (7 cell nimh/nicd & 2 cell lipo/limoly).
• 2.4.10 – 1.9 Crawler class bodiless overall dimension of the complete chassis must be at least
6.75" overall length, 2.5" overall width, and 3.25" overall height.
• 2.4.11 - If at any point during a run your vehicle falls out of these vehicle specs for any reason you
will be required to take a touch penalty and correct the problem.

look at the section numbers
2.2= rules for super class
2.3 rules for 2.2 class
2.4=rules for 1.9 class

2.3.4
2 wheel steer only.

I think that this subject can be dropped for now as it is not helping this hobby or Johns thread for BFG. If you have something else that you would like to say please PM me.

You are right about that in that it states no dig for the 1.9 class. As for the 2.2 that remains to be seen and I believe that is open for discussion. As far as I am concerned hop your crawler up the most you can. You will be in a class by yourself and that seems pretty boring to me.I have a whole club you are turning away how is that good for any sport or hobby growth

never mind then, drop it for now

Sorry John.... A meeting later, lets just get the rocks

Sure thats fine but I do have this one problem though. Yes we can disscuss this in person but i want to state it on here for all to read.

Just my opinion of course but i have a problem with people running this DIG ! yes it helps you turn but we're not all running them. People in California run a dig cause there all running basically the same trucks. ar at least most have DIGs.

The Scorpion started the whole thing and it came how it did 2 straight axles both full locker if we stick to the general rules then fine stick to the GENERAL way a basic truck operates. two wheel steer in the front, 4wd!

if people can run a DIG then why cant i run 4-wheel steer. both serve the same perpose.

Most people dont have the luxury to go out and buy a Top Of The Line Truck. Most people are gonna be there with Scorpions or the Losi truck, Traxxas, whatever. If only one person runs a dig and wins, and all the other guys only have a basic truck, How is that fare.

That may be the rule now,...But it started without...

if you run a dig then your in a different class. and if your only ONE then that wouldnt be any fun.

thats the only rule problem i have. Other than that i good with the rules.


well fellas i got 4 wheel steering and all that jazz i also locked up my diffs jb weld:thumbsup: and i got a super is this course big enough for the super im new so i dunno whats what i just wanna crawl some crap and have fun doin it i really dont care about comps and that maybe one day but no time soon..

never mind then, drop it for now
Hey Guys
I was not trying to stir it but these are the rules we all have to follow if BFG wants to have people come crawl they will need to conform to the national set of rules. the guys from fort wayne also travel and you are closer than i am they have traveled here 2 times this year and we have went there
all of the concerns you have are all valid and have been asked by lots of people getting into this ..
just get the rocks and get some comps going so you can learn and let us know when your ready.. and if you need anything just ask I will help ya all I can

TTYL
BOB

Crawling area looks pretty sweet! I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea how you "compete" in Rock Crawling, but I'm dying to see these things in action.

I hope they're not too cool or I'm going to end up with another truck :)

So when is this meeting and vote going to be set up? As someone who is planning on dropping a good chunk of change on the new Losi rig and electronics for it in March I'd like my opinions heard, especially since it comes with the dreaded "D" word as standard equipment.

andy post a pic of this big arse rig i here u have

were can i see this losi rig i cant find it anywere whos got pics??

I'm uploading some pics of my two trucks right now, but here is the Losi rig. It's going to the best 2.2 complete rig on the market when it comes out. Worm gear axles, front and rear dig, all for less than $300.

http://www.losi.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=LOSA0051

http://www.losi.com/Content/ProductStatic/LOSA0051/compCrawler.png

Ok, here are my two rigs. The first started out life as a Tamiya Juggernaut 2 and has an ESP Lwb conversion, Locked diffs, HPI Savage shocks, Revo driveshafts, Great Planes gear reduction unit, and homemade triangulated 4-link setup (with two broken links :freak:). The second started as a Tamiya TLT and I'm in the process of finishing that one up to tide me over until March when the Losi is released. It has locked front, rear and center diffs, heavy duty HPI belt with a homemade tensioner, Adjustable shock mounts, Losi Shocks, hogged out motor mount to fit a 96t spur and run a 12t pinion for a crawl ratio of 46:1. I just ordered a bunch of parts to beef up the axles and give me another 15 degrees of steering throw.

All of my rigs will have Jeep bodies as well. B/C we all know what Jeep really stands for right? Just Empty Every Pocket!

"The Beast"
http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/IMG_0001.jpg

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/IMG_0002.jpg

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/IMG_0004.jpg

The unfinished TLT rig
http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm415/Altered_Images/RC%20Crawlers/IMG_0006.jpg

were can i see this losi rig i cant find it anywere whos got pics??What Your computer wont tolerate the LOSI site?
You A&E puke.:thumbsup: