Does anyone know what the cost for a COT mold would be...and the process for making it happen? I heard or read at one time it was like several thousand....is this true? I know we (QSAC) follow Nascar in ways and It would be nice to keep up with bodies.

We could keep the Twisted Sister bodies for Novice and Sportsman...and have a COT (1 mold) for the Grand National.... using a 3" spoiler.

I know eventually the Sportsman class would convert to the COT in the future.

I'm just throwing a topic out.... please feel free to comment.

Cost depends on a lot of factors. You have to have someone do the artwork ( clay plug ) This alone can cost a few thousand dollars. Then a fiberglass mold will need to be made off the plug $500-$800 and then a resin tool will then need to be pulled from the fiberglass mold $800-$1200. Finally the mold will need to be mounted and holes drilled for the vacuum forming process. Any of this that you can do yourself will be a huge savings.

Find a vacuum former first though. They may have certain requirements for the mold to work in their machine.

I checked on making a dirt latemodel body and it was going to be $4200 ready to go. Then you still have to pay someone to pull them. To much to invest unless QSAC was behind it.

good positive topic Tanner!! that is a cool idea!

The COT body I feel needs to have and add on front wicker bill or spoiler As the bodies that we run get tore up .If it was soild one piece body,, just one hard hit would force a guy to buy a new body , I dont mind selling bodies but lets be realistic ,, one body a year if we can help it ,, my thoughts ....Robert :thumbsup:

i have to agree with Knox, they do tend to get tore up every now and then, but i do think its a good ideah to come out with something like this. Bob Bates #99

If multi piece is what you are thinking then, you can take a body that is available now and just make a front and rear section mold that creates a lexan part that will rivet to the body. This would be a much cheaper option and you could make these in your garage with a home made vacuum forming machine.

I was thinking the same thing, just make a front end and make a template wing for the back. You could probably get more use out of old bodies by cutting away the carnage of old...lol

I'd like to see a COT body for 1/4 scale. Here are some pics for 1/10 scale.

http://www.mcallisterracing.com/racing/page2.html

I'm not sure what it would take to make these bigger.

The COT bodies would not take a hit and last. What about designing a vinyl (decal) front end that looks like a COT front end w/splitter? Or making the front bumper (foam) the splitter? That would give but it would be hard to paint it…LOL… Just some thoughts…

One thing about having the wicker molded...and I'm not talking about it sticking out any further than the actual foam bumper.... it would help body height issues as well as bumper height. I'm not sure the new spoiler would be the answer on the rear....one good back into the wall and its gone.
While being cost effective to cut and add the front and rear....I think the rivets would be.....well...ummm....hard on the eyes, and weaken the body in general.

Stivy.... I would guess that the smaller body manufactures have looked into making these...and another guess is that they don't see much profit. But I would assume they do everything in house and could do it cheaper than anybody. Does anyone know if they have been contacted or is there a quote from them?

Could QSAC maybe up the membership 5$ to 10$ more per membership and have an ongoing....updated....serial numbered....spec body fund for the upcoming years? Maybe for both truck and car? I know I would pay the extra. I know the bodies make a big difference in handling..Ford...Dodge...Chevy, but today in Nascar they basically look the same.

Let the bumpers do the work.......
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/COT-Bumper.jpg

Carry on!

Really looking at this, I dont see how it could even be possible to make it a one piece body. It would need to be 2 piece for sure. You cant draw lexan at that kinda undercut... never mind trying to pull the body off the mold :)

Rivets look just fine. Yankee made the best looking 1/4 scale bodies EVER. A large amount of them were riveted together due to their complex design and detail. Put together properly they look really fantastic and hold up very well.

The small scale bodies look like they may be one piece. Very interesting... I wonder how they do it?

On 1/10 scale cars the splitter is actually the front bumper of the car... bolted to the chassis.

I was thinking about the same thing......I guess you would have to get rid of the lip under the rear bumper....lift and pop forward. What exactly are the Bucks made out of? Is it actually like a clay material?

The master can be made of clay, but to pull lexan you need aluminum or a very hard epoxy mold.

Just got an email back from someone I know that makes molds for RC cars. He says that a figure of $4000 would be close for a 1/4 scale stock car body mold. So IF they made $50 per body, it would take 80 bodies just to cover the cost of the mold. The next problem would be finding someone with a machine large enough to pull the bodies.

And that is just to break even in the end. Wonder how long it would take to move that many bodies?

I dont think you could make $50 on a body today with only running 80-100pcs.

If it got to the point of having one common body (similar to the COT without getting into detail about the nose/tail aspects), it would eliminate the need for two or three addtional molds (like we have today; MC, Taurus and Intrepid) and likewise the production numbers would increase for the one new design by decrease of options (meaning, there would only be one body to purchase if you ran a car body).

Obviously this would have to be phased-in and allow the manufacturers input as well as the opportunity to rid themselves of excess current/existing stock.

Just thoughts...

Joe

Joe Brooks
QSAC Member #39

It's pretty obvious we are going to have to move to a new body eventually. Who knows what it will be or what it will look like? The person that comes up with the funding and produces the body will probably set the trend. As long as QSAC approves it, we'll run it.... no choice.:thumbsup:

I wouldn't be oppose to QSAC starting a donation fund to go towards the development of a common template body (mold) that has their name on it...kinda like Nascar's COT.


I wonder if Gary Mc. would produce a batch of these in 1/4 scale? :woohoo:

It's pretty obvious we are going to have to move to a new body eventually. Who knows what it will be or what it will look like? The person that comes up with the funding and produces the body will probably set the trend. As long as QSAC approves it, we'll run it.... no choice.:thumbsup:

I wouldn't be oppose to QSAC starting a donation fund to go towards the development of a common template body (mold) that has their name on it...kinda like Nascar's COT.


I wonder if Gary Mc. would produce a batch of these in 1/4 scale? :woohoo:hell yea thats what i am talking about that would be neat

those were already made in 1/4 scale by CEC back east

A good friend of mine has been working on developing a mold off and on for a little while now. We had an idea of making a body that is more similar to a Latemodel stock car body that you would see at your local short track. I am not a big fan of COT's. I cant tell if they look more like a brick or a shopping cart! lol. The body that we are making will fit all current QSAC specs and have more performance advantages than any current body! There is A LOT to be gained performance wise! It will also be a universal body if you will, that you can put any manufacture decals on to look good. I do agree that no matter what type of body we go to, we are getting close to needing the "next generation" of bodies.


Chance

:cool:A good friend of mine has been working on developing a mold off and on for a little while now. We had an idea of making a body that is more similar to a Latemodel stock car body that you would see at your local short track. I am not a big fan of COT's. I cant tell if they look more like a brick or a shopping cart! lol. The body that we are making will fit all current QSAC specs and have more performance advantages than any current body! There is A LOT to be gained performance wise! It will also be a universal body if you will, that you can put any manufacture decals on to look good. I do agree that no matter what type of body we go to, we are getting close to needing the "next generation" of bodies.


Chance

Isn't the "next generation" a COT body?


What about Trucks? Don't they have a splitter COT look as well?

:cool:

Isn't the "next generation" a COT body?


What about Trucks? Don't they have a splitter COT look as well?yep trucks have them so does the new nationwide car next year

Sad day we have to back up in racing. With COT. They Look like a blow-ed up pig. All drivers complain on how rotten they handle. But yet we want to follow there lead because they changed for safety reasons and affordability. How can any of that reflect into our hobby?

I know everyone wants to look the part, But there playing with mega and i mean mega millions of Dollars. Eye candy to please people.

Will all our rides be faster trying to keep the cot image.. I doubt it, will it cost us more to try and keep there image? I think so.

We cannot compete with Nascar.
Also this is partly what has destroyed 10th scale. Bodies and the factories wanting there greedy paws on a image and a bodies name upon it. Who really cares if it says Dodge Chevy or Ford. They don't look like what they are trying to sell.

I just can't see all the hipe about this. It's a Hobby. a expensive one already. why put more fuel to the flame. I know ive rambled, and im sure this will be picked to death. but so be it. Im a big boy Let it fly!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

I agree with you Slider, I dislike COT, they do not look like any car on the streets today,
I have no problem with the older boxer bodies of yesteryear. or what we are using today. No one is going to make a quarter scale 65 Impala SS so lets run the ones we have, no splitter or rear wing.

Chuck #3

Sad day we have to back up in racing. With COT. They Look like a blow-ed up pig. All drivers complain on how rotten they handle. But yet we want to follow there lead because they changed for safety reasons and affordability. How can any of that reflect into our hobby?

I know everyone wants to look the part, But there playing with mega and i mean mega millions of Dollars. Eye candy to please people.

Will all our rides be faster trying to keep the cot image.. I doubt it, will it cost us more to try and keep there image? I think so.

We cannot compete with Nascar.
Also this is partly what has destroyed 10th scale. Bodies and the factories wanting there greedy paws on a image and a bodies name upon it. Who really cares if it says Dodge Chevy or Ford. They don't look like what they are trying to sell.

I just can't see all the hipe about this. It's a Hobby. a expensive one already. why put more fuel to the flame. I know ive rambled, and im sure this will be picked to death. but so be it. Im a big boy Let it fly!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

Well put......Good points! I agree..:thumbsup:

Here is a thought, and remember its just a thought. What about taking an existing body, and smooth out the lines in front and back to make it look generic. This would be the only body used in the car classes and you could put the desired head/tail light decals on it to make it look like the brand you want. The truck body is already like this.

Here is a thought, and remember its just a thought. What about taking an existing body, and smooth out the lines in front and back to make it look generic. This would be the only body used in the car classes and you could put the desired head/tail light decals on it to make it look like the brand you want. The truck body is already like this.

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Here is a thought, and remember its just a thought. What about taking an existing body, and smooth out the lines in front and back to make it look generic. This would be the only body used in the car classes and you could put the desired head/tail light decals on it to make it look like the brand you want. The truck body is already like this.

I was thinking close to the same thing. It would not bother me a bit to have an outlaw car (Late Model) of today. They all look the same, just a different nose. If, that is IF QSAC wanted to get involved with making a body, that would be cool thing to make. This way everyone that drives a car body would have the exact same thing and they could dress it up any way they want to... The COT does nothing for me and would do nonthing for the hobby.

Several months ago I spoke with Dale Epps. Many might remember him from his days with Pro-Line Racing, famous for 1/10 and 1/12 scale bodies. He now lives in Canada. We spoke ggenerically about how much it would be for him to create the plug for a mold for a generic COT car, that could be used for a 1/4 scale GN, changing decals and window masks for the different makes (i.e. toyoto, Dodge, Ford, Chevy). If I remember, his estimate for providing plug was $4-6 K.

so i guess bringing up the idea for a haans device for my trigger finger is out!!! lol

i run 10scale cot u have to mount wing to deck lid if u mount to back of car where its supose to go u wount have one left if u back your car in the wall its done

At one time WCM had a very generic looking body. When my friend Curt Williams ordered his new WCM stock car it came with this very and I mean very generic looking body. He disliked it very much and bought a Loves Thunderbird body from me. I have that body today and have made it into a Pontiac drag car, it looks alot like todays cars. I will get photos and post them.
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/thumbs/prostockpontiac_005.jpg (http://photos.hobbytalk.com/showphoto.php/photo/31391)
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/thumbs/prostockpontiac_003.jpg (http://photos.hobbytalk.com/showphoto.php/photo/31389)
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/thumbs/prostockpontiac_004.jpg (http://photos.hobbytalk.com/showphoto.php/photo/31390)

A good friend of mine has been working on developing a mold off and on for a little while now. We had an idea of making a body that is more similar to a Latemodel stock car body that you would see at your local short track. I am not a big fan of COT's. I cant tell if they look more like a brick or a shopping cart! lol. The body that we are making will fit all current QSAC specs and have more performance advantages than any current body! There is A LOT to be gained performance wise! It will also be a universal body if you will, that you can put any manufacture decals on to look good. I do agree that no matter what type of body we go to, we are getting close to needing the "next generation" of bodies.


Chance

i agree. the COT design in not the way to go. the idea is fine but you don't have to make it a look alike of the COT. they look like crap and handle like crap. im not sure what performance needs added. but certainly doesn't need taken away with a COT copy or simular design that give worse handling then current bodies. Thats not to say what we use now is bad. i have no complaints. but dont' want something that goes in wrong direction in performance. and what do i do with these 4 bodies on the shelf that are in perfect condition minus a few donuts? lol

so i guess bringing up the idea for a haans device for my trigger finger is out!!! lol

LOL.......good one.

At one time WCM had a very generic looking body. When my friend Curt Williams ordered his new WCM stock car it came with this very and I mean very generic looking body. He disliked it very much and bought a Loves Thunderbird body from me. I have that body today and have made it into a Pontiac drag car, it looks alot like todays cars. I will get photos and post them.
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/thumbs/prostockpontiac_005.jpg (http://photos.hobbytalk.com/showphoto.php/photo/31391)
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/thumbs/prostockpontiac_003.jpg (http://photos.hobbytalk.com/showphoto.php/photo/31389)
http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/thumbs/prostockpontiac_004.jpg (http://photos.hobbytalk.com/showphoto.php/photo/31390)

dont think i would have liked it either. looks good as a drag car but not to good for oval.

If it ain't broke let's not try to fix it!

Chuck

If it ain't broke let's not try to fix it!

Chuck

My feelings applesotivlivy. Well something along those lines. :hat::wave:

If we keep slowing the cars down we can just let the kids drive them and we can be car owners. Is that what everyone wants? COT is not the way to fix it. If everyone wants change, I like the idea Chance has. It will help the cars go faster. Thats what racing is about.

oh thats a bunch of crap the truck body is about as aerodynamic as my microwave it wont slow it down qsac rules state it has to be scale in apperance

oh thats a bunch of crap the truck body is about as aerodynamic as my microwave it wont slow it down qsac rules state it has to be scale in apperance



Yes, the rules say that it has to look the same in scale appearance, but in all honesty the bodies we have today look nothing like a cup car before the COT's. There is QUITE a bit of aero advantages to be gained without taking away the scale appearance. That is what I mean when I say the "next generation of bodies". For example, we used to run the old buicks and lumina bodies that are by todays standards boxy and not aero dynamic whatsoever. I think we are getting close to that time where we step it up again, if that makes sense. We are working on it and I will keep people updated.


Chance

I do not question the cost of the mode, or the other stuff,
my question is how did the truck body get made with maybe 200 trucks in the country?
someone must have lost a lot of money on that one.

Chuck #3

Back when the PRC truck bodies were being made they were shipping 200 per month.

I think the CEC taurus is about the best shaped body out there,a little creative taping in the quarter glass-rear window area,some brand specific head and tail lights and you have any make body you want,All of our bodys really resemble the late model-saturday night type cars not cup cars and I for one am glad .Take a CEC ford and flatten out the grill in-dent and take away the rear window lines,,,,the qsac COT:woohoo:

I'd like to have a COT body for 1/4 scale, but I'm just happy go lucky. Whatever QSAC decides to do, is OK for me. It's there ball and ball field, I'm just here to play and have a good time. ;)

I wouldn't spend a penny to create a mold that doesn't look to favorable amongst the racers...

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?p=2611094#post2611094

Who Makes Up Qsac? Answer -- The Racers Of 1/4 Scale Cars. If The Drivers Of Nascar Do Not Like The Cot Body Then Why Would Qsac Racers Like It. I Do Not Like To Watch Nascar Racing Since They Went To The Cot. Why Would Any Of Us Like To Run It. Let It Die Like A Bad Dream And The Thought Of It Go Away Fast And Be Forever Forgotten. Hope Everyone Has A Great Holiday And Gets Some 1/4 Scale Parts From Santa.

QUARTERSCALE MOTORSPORTS has given a lot of though to a generic COT body and with decals it could be any brand of car. I have "a guy" that will design and produce a finished mold. $2500 up front and $2500 paid per body pulled from mold. We would still have to pay for each body pulled (lexan and labor). With the economy the way it is we are not in a position to take on this project right now. Anyone have ideas how to accomplish this? Feel free to call me at 909-987-775 if you would like to discuss off line.
Larry Cross