Holy smokes, I start a thread on Friday, go away for the weekend, come back and the thread is closed. Hankster, I apologize that you had to closed the "Real Rule Change" thread. I was attempting to get a lively discussion going and perhaps even some informative feed back and POOF it all blows up.

Hankster if you will permit me I would like to make one response to a comment in that thread.

Jeffery my friend, I don't understand your position, The way it works now, anybody that signs up in GN is in the A main. How exactly does that prevent wrecks? The ABC format does sort it out quite nicely.

BTW, buying a new body is not required, only a new plate.

To all, I am not advocating this rule change. In fact I didn't even think it up. It was sent to me in an e-mail. I am also not against this proposal. I simply wanted to get people to think about it. I understand that this is a open forum and anybody can post anything, members, non-members, racers, non-racers, anybody. But until QSAC can afford multiple mailings or develop a registered, members only forum this is our only viable method of effective mass 2-way communication. Perhaps it is impossible to have an open and friendly discussion. It is sometimes hard to determine what is friendly ribbing and jesting and what is abusive. I sympathize with Hankster's position. I do see that a number of threads have been closed here recently. So with Hankster's permission I'd like to try this again.

What do you think about one stock car class with a 9.5mm plate, Super Tracks with a 8.5mm plate and Sprint Cars with a 10.5mm plate?

I'm in favor of it...

What do you think about one stock car class with a 9.5mm plate, Super Tracks with a 8.5mm plate and Sprint Cars with a 10.5mm plate?

I'm opposed. Keep it like it is.

David

The only change plate change I'm in favor of is a smaller plate for Limited Sportsmen.
There seems to be a simple line of progression from Sportsment to Grand National / Trucks and then on to Sprinters.

sounds fine to me. i say give it a try. can't be any worse then what we have now.
too many classes, and not enough cars.

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I’m for it and here’s why:

As it stands now some Sportsman racers say they won’t move up to GN because the current GN speeds produce harder wall impacts, WAY more wear & tear on tires and car (budget). There are also some current Sportsman racers saying they want to move up to GN, but don’t because the power that a 10.5 plate produces is too much for their “set up” ability. I feel a 9.5 plate would be middle of the road ~ so to speak. It will offer very similar speeds to our current GN cars, but with less “Punch” thus making it easier to handle and “hook up” to the track.


Convert the Super Truck class to the current QSAC Sportsman rules (Except body). 30 lbs, Air cup, 8.5 plate, stock clutch shoes & spring. Trucks are not supposed to be as fast as GN cars! Just like real Nascar; Trucks are slower than Nascar “Cup” cars - with less power. Use this class as a stepping stone to GN.

*** Even if the one car class doesn’t fly, I still think Trucks should use the 8.5 plate / sportsman package b/c Trucks should be slower than car(s).



Create a new NCS Class (And weekly): Call it Novice, Limited Sportsman, Charger, or Whatever: You can run either a Super Truck body or a Car (GN) body. Follow our current Sportsman rules - 30 lbs, Air cup, 8.5 plate, stock clutch shoes & spring. Once a racer becomes dominate weekly (lap times + wins) they must move out of this class. Also, you can only compete in this class (NCS) for one year no matter how many NCS races you attend in that year.

Leave Sprint w/10.5 plate (Same as now).

I’m sure plenty will disagree with this, but looking at the big picture I feel these changes will help ¼ racing grow.


Larger Classes draw more racers. This is my opinion only.

I oppose this rule change. I feel the same as the guys below.Holy smokes, I start a thread on Friday, go away for the weekend, come back and the thread is closed. Hankster, I apologize that you had to closed the "Real Rule Change" thread. I was attempting to get a lively discussion going and perhaps even some informative feed back and POOF it all blows up.

Hankster if you will permit me I would like to make one response to a comment in that thread.

Jeffery my friend, I don't understand your position, The way it works now, anybody that signs up in GN is in the A main. How exactly does that prevent wrecks? The ABC format does sort it out quite nicely.

BTW, buying a new body is not required, only a new plate.

To all, I am not advocating this rule change. In fact I didn't even think it up. It was sent to me in an e-mail. I am also not against this proposal. I simply wanted to get people to think about it. I understand that this is a open forum and anybody can post anything, members, non-members, racers, non-racers, anybody. But until QSAC can afford multiple mailings or develop a registered, members only forum this is our only viable method of effective mass 2-way communication. Perhaps it is impossible to have an open and friendly discussion. It is sometimes hard to determine what is friendly ribbing and jesting and what is abusive. I sympathize with Hankster's position. I do see that a number of threads have been closed here recently. So with Hankster's permission I'd like to try this again.

What do you think about one stock car class with a 9.5mm plate, Super Tracks with a 8.5mm plate and Sprint Cars with a 10.5mm plate?

I agree with you David. I don't like change.I'm opposed. Keep it like it is.

David

John, don't ever say never. LOLsounds fine to me. i say give it a try. can't be any worse then what we have now.
too many classes, and not enough cars.

Paul, I agree 100%. Leave it along and if the GN guys want to go fast. Run the Super Truck class. LOL
Time are going to be tough next year with the economy the way it is and we don't need any added expense.:thumbsup:Brent. Why try to have more division?

Trucks 10.5 plate
Sportsman 8.5 plate
Sprinters 10.5 plate

1st year with some stability on all classes

With that said we have at local track. made a limited Sportsman class which has well exceeded expectations. Do not throw a new person to the Wolfs of experienced classes. and expect them to hang in there. some folks are not gifted as others, and also the Pocket book. Do not think all people want to just bust there tail for the fastest lap, But for going to. HAVE A GOOD TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gentlemen this is not Nascar with mega buck pocket books. Keep it real, and in-line with what folks can afford.

That old saying speed costs, what ya willing to spend. The Sky is the limit. Not for me.
My . 0000000000000000000001 worth= not much.

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You will have to get something that will turn in the center before that will happen.LOL Its not the plate. They are down grading the truck class and I have just got a group of guys building trucks. That sucks.:confused:jeff you just scared i would beat you in 8.5 truck LOL

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You will have to get something that will turn in the center before that will happen.LOL Its not the plate. They are down grading the truck class and I have just got a group of guys biulding trucks. That sucks.:confused:

How is a 8.5 plate "down grading"???

Scott buddy, I love you and all but. I think it should be left alone. I'm just a pickup man and I like running fast. If the GN guys can't out run a truck maybe they don't need to be running GN.LOL:lol: Just playing guys. But really it would be great to run both bodies as a sportsman class, but everyone need a class to move into. I have never had anyone come to me in all the years of racing form gocarts to super latemodels and say we need to slow down. I think having a good handling car means more than the 10.5, 9.5, or 8.5 plate. If the cars are right for the plate it will handle it. If someone needs setup help just ask. That is whats wrong with alot of this. A lot of people won't help and the some of the ones that do don't know their self. I'm not saying I know everything but I can help most people out of a jam.:thumbsup:

Spotsman 8.5 plate car or truck body.
Super Truck 10.5 Truck body only
Grand National 10.5 car Body only
Sprint Cars Open carb. No plate.

I think I'm going to have to run for Co-chair to keep you monkies from screwing this up LOLI’m for it and here’s why:

As it stands now some Sportsman racers say they won’t move up to GN because the current GN speeds produce harder wall impacts, WAY more wear & tear on tires and car (budget). There are also some current Sportsman racers saying they want to move up to GN, but don’t because the power that a 10.5 plate produces is too much for their “set up” ability. I feel a 9.5 plate would be middle of the road ~ so to speak. It will offer very similar speeds to our current GN cars, but with less “Punch” thus making it easier to handle and “hook up” to the track.


Convert the Super Truck class to the current QSAC Sportsman rules (Except body). 30 lbs, Air cup, 8.5 plate, stock clutch shoes & spring. Trucks are not supposed to be as fast as GN cars! Just like real Nascar; Trucks are slower than Nascar “Cup” cars - with less power. Use this class as a stepping stone to GN.

*** Even if the one car class doesn’t fly, I still think Trucks should use the 8.5 plate / sportsman package b/c Trucks should be slower than car(s).



Create a new NCS Class (And weekly): Call it Novice, Limited Sportsman, Charger, or Whatever: You can run either a Super Truck body or a Car (GN) body. Follow our current Sportsman rules - 30 lbs, Air cup, 8.5 plate, stock clutch shoes & spring. Once a racer becomes dominate weekly (lap times + wins) they must move out of this class. Also, you can only compete in this class (NCS) for one year no matter how many NCS races you attend in that year.

Leave Sprint w/10.5 plate (Same as now).

I’m sure plenty will disagree with this, but looking at the big picture I feel these changes will help ¼ racing grow.


Larger Classes draw more racers. This is my opinion only.

I have nothing against a Novice class, in fact I think it's a good idea, but what is wrong with winning the "B" or "C" Main? The first "big" race I attended, many, many moons ago, was the Winternats in Ft. Myers FL. There were no "bumps" and I managed to qualify in the "H" Main. That's right the "H" Main. I knew I was running with guys of similar abilities, which is to say almost none but it was an extremely spectacular race and I raced just as hard as if I was running the "A". A number of years later I ran at an IFMAR Worlds event. They run a Christmas Tree ladder system with bump ups. The most spectacular race was one of the 1/64 mains. The announcer was literary jumping out of his seat, screaming in the microphone over the action taking place on the track. The "A" main was a bore compared to that race.

So is the problem with our qualifying system? Does it not sort out enough? Or is there a stigma attached to winning the "B","C", "D" Mains?

I'm running Super truck and sprint. I have the need for speed. I like the truck body. I'm just a pickup man.:thumbsup: Right now I have about 4 truck coming to NCS races with me.:woohoo:I’m for it and here’s why:

As it stands now some Sportsman racers say they won’t move up to GN because the current GN speeds produce harder wall impacts, WAY more wear & tear on tires and car (budget). There are also some current Sportsman racers saying they want to move up to GN, but don’t because the power that a 10.5 plate produces is too much for their “set up” ability. I feel a 9.5 plate would be middle of the road ~ so to speak. It will offer very similar speeds to our current GN cars, but with less “Punch” thus making it easier to handle and “hook up” to the track.


Convert the Super Truck class to the current QSAC Sportsman rules (Except body). 30 lbs, Air cup, 8.5 plate, stock clutch shoes & spring. Trucks are not supposed to be as fast as GN cars! Just like real Nascar; Trucks are slower than Nascar “Cup” cars - with less power. Use this class as a stepping stone to GN.

*** Even if the one car class doesn’t fly, I still think Trucks should use the 8.5 plate / sportsman package b/c Trucks should be slower than car(s).



Create a new NCS Class (And weekly): Call it Novice, Limited Sportsman, Charger, or Whatever: You can run either a Super Truck body or a Car (GN) body. Follow our current Sportsman rules - 30 lbs, Air cup, 8.5 plate, stock clutch shoes & spring. Once a racer becomes dominate weekly (lap times + wins) they must move out of this class. Also, you can only compete in this class (NCS) for one year no matter how many NCS races you attend in that year.

Leave Sprint w/10.5 plate (Same as now).

I’m sure plenty will disagree with this, but looking at the big picture I feel these changes will help ¼ racing grow.


Larger Classes draw more racers. This is my opinion only.

Let me ask you this. What classes are you running in 2009? Weekly, NCS and why?

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There is a Class pole to vote in.

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Rotflmbo!!!!!!!!

Thats no fun. LOL:thumbsup:Guys no need to add a reason of why or why not... a simple "I agree" or "I disagree" would keep this thread from getting closed AGAIN!!

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I know, but if we can at least get everyone to vote then we can try to discuss it. :)

Jeff,

Rotflmbo=rolling on the floor laughing my butt off...
Anyway, I sort of agree. I think if you were to sort the plate thing out it should go more like:
8.5 for Novice
9.5 for Truck and Sportsman
10.5 For GN and Sprint.

Sprints are lite anyway and should be faster on that basis alone...
Quite honestly I Like the way it is now, but if a compromise was to be had, this is what I would recommend.

I could deal with the 9.5 plate in the truck. I think I could get that little bit back. 8.5 is a bad deal. I think the engine would be a lot better with the 9.5 than the 8.5 plate.:thumbsup:
I will do a little R&D on this.:rolleyes:Jeff,

Rotflmbo=rolling on the floor laughing my butt off...
Anyway, I sort of agree. I think if you were to sort the plate thing out it should go more like:
8.5 for Novice
9.5 for Truck and Sportsman
10.5 For GN and Sprint.

Sprints are lite anyway and should be faster on that basis alone...
Quite honestly I Like the way it is now, but if a compromise was to be had, this is what I would recommend.

If you had a 9.5 plate class for cars, would you run a velocity stack? And what clutch shoes & springs would be used?

Jeff,

Rotflmbo=rolling on the floor laughing my butt off...
Anyway, I sort of agree. I think if you were to sort the plate thing out it should go more like:
8.5 for Novice
9.5 for Truck and Sportsman
10.5 For GN and Sprint.

Sprints are lite anyway and should be faster on that basis alone...
Quite honestly I Like the way it is now, but if a compromise was to be had, this is what I would recommend.

I kinda think Jim is right on that, It's good the way it is now but it is a big change from 8.5 to 10.5( ex: Sportsman to gn) were as 8.5 to 9.5 would be a little change if you want to go Truck or GN. Just a thought: I also like the fact that if there was a rule change on this, at lease you got an idea on how many members would like the change ahead of time. Very good idea! OPPS! After I posted this I see this is not what Jim said. Sorry! I would like to see it, if there is a change, Truck and gn w/ 9.5. Leave novice and sportsman w/ 8.5

I would personally like to leave it. Here is why. I believe in having two stock car classes primarily because it is obviously the most popular all around. There has to be, in my opinion, a separation of those who have a decent handle on not only driving the cars, but working on them. On one hand it isnt fun for faster guys to have to duck and weave through traffic that isnt up to speed and you take the chance of getting involved in someone elses mess. On the other hand, it is NO FUN for guys who are just entering the sport or even still learning to get their butts handed to them EVERY week by the same guys. Brent, I agree that we may not have enough cars at every race to have a B main or larger, and some of the "squirells" end up racing in GN, but the number of squirells are still quite a bit less.

As for plates, I dont think it wise to bump the size up for Sportsman. The cars are already hard to hang on to for a lot of guys let alone someone new to the sport. I could see bumping the truck plates down to 8.5s only for the simple fact that it would make it more appealing to the average driver because of how much easier it would be to drive them with less power(sorry Jeff!!!). The truck bodies in my opinion make the cars handle better anyways. I will agree that often GN cars are hard to hang on to and more damage may be done while racing them, but guess what? Thats why it is GN, for the best of the best! Welcome to the big leagues!


Chance Overholt
ROCKIT Motorsports

Jeff i have to agree with you what you wrote:

Spotsman 8.5 plate car or truck body.
Super Truck 10.5 Truck body only
Grand National 10.5 car Body only
Sprint Cars Open carb. No plate.

i think this is a good ideah, just my opinion, Bob Bates

Leave QSAC alone quit driving racer away

This was sent to me and I feel the same way.

Bullpoop

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Jeff. They can stick all that mess where the sun don't shine. 10.5 truck or to heck with it. As well as Half the folks cannot even wheel a 8.5 sportsman car to its full potential. But yea we need a 9.5 plate. They lost there friggen minds. Sorry i vented but there being ignorant. Take care Jeff.

Jeff, if I send you something will you post it?...hmmm without my name of course... LOL:wave:

Read this part of Brent's post again before going overboard. :thumbsup:


To all, I am not advocating this rule change. In fact I didn't even think it up. It was sent to me in an e-mail. I am also not against this proposal. I simply wanted to get people to think about it.

is there a stigma attached to winning the "B","C", "D" Mains?

You have to be kidding. People make fun of anyone who isnt in the A. This isnt your first rodeo.

I like it sorted out by ability. Close racing is a blast; win or lose. Just passing people is boring no matter what class. Getting your tail handed to you weekly and being several laps down causes people to give up and sell their stuff. So what ever people decide make it end up good close exciting racing.

I'm with you Jeff. My new Truck will have the 10.5 plate. I hope qsac keeps it that way. This was sent to me and I feel the same way.

Bullpoop

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Jeff. They can stick all that mess where the sun don't shine. 10.5 truck or to heck with it. As well as Half the folks cannot even wheel a 8.5 sportsman car to its full potential. But yea we need a 9.5 plate. They lost there friggen minds. Sorry i vented but there being ignorant. Take care Jeff.

This kind of stuff is what starts a thread down hill to be closed.Jeff, if I send you something will you post it?...hmmm without my name of course... LOL:wave:

LOL Good one. and you are not over here. LOL Just picking, you have been picking so I thought I would.Come on Racing Hard, you're not thinking outside the box!!!

We all registered for this forum and are accountable for what we post whether we sign our names or not, so why should any else be allowed to have their remaks posted without recourse?

I feel leave it the same ,Dont change anything , As stated setup is one of the most importane part's of racing. We should know that ,we watch NASCAR, and listen to our favorite drivers at the end of the race , What does he talk about the most, horse power not very often is it! , mostly it is a tight in or loose off car , Robert :)

Yeap, You hit the nail on the head Bob. :thumbsup:I feel leave it the same ,Dont change anything , As stated setup is one of the most importane part's of racing. We should know that ,we watch NASCAR, and listen to our favorite drivers at the end of the race , What does he talk about the most, horse power not very often is it! , mostly it is a tight in or loose off car , Robert :)

10/4 ... I hear ya!LOL Good one. and you are not over here. LOL Just picking, you have been picking so I thought I would.

Leave the plates alone.............

This is all good stuff guys, but I must say that I am a little surprised by some of the strong reactions. Please remember that this is just a discussion. Nobody is proposing a rule change at this point, we're just talking about why it could be good or why it could be bad.

Two more points, one, please try to keep in the back of your mind: What would be the best thing for the overall benefit of 1/4 scale racing? Sometimes that's hard to do. And two, I believe that, if this ever got to the point of being considered, it is such major change, it would require a membership vote during our annual mailing.

You will have to get something that will turn in the center before that will happen.LOL Its not the plate. .:confused:

not the plate..... then whats difference in what plate your running? the answer is perception. meaning its all in your mind.
your either good or you not. 10.5 to 8.5 is only a tenth difference for a good running car.

personnally i prefer 10.5 but willing to go down if it helps for the greater good.
i remember when GN switch to the 9mm . it was good and more GN cars appeared. the problem was it was too close in speed to sportsman and the 9mm carbs sucked. too many bad ones manufactured. some were better with 8.5 carb because they got a bad 9mm carbs. we did have plates back then but few used them. not sure why it was switch back. we did vote on it though. so not to worry.

i like the idea of the topic the smallest classes are gn,truck it gives the chance for sportsman drivers that were content to stay were they were to have the chance to try a new class (truck) with out doing anything but haveing to change a body which is good for growth. and for drivers that wanting more power to move up to a bigger plate there are groups of drivers at evrytrack that need to move up but cant because of the majority which still need to develope there skills as drivers so a novice/limited class would have to be a offical class .i for one when i go to a race i want to be in the largest most competitive class i dont like traveling 6-10 hours to race 5 cars i can arange that in a parking lot down the street

The 10.5 plate helps the truck in the corner. The truck really don't want to turn good like a car because of the front down force difference. The plate help the truck turn under power. I have a truck with a 8.5 plate in it and its not good. You can run with the car but you have to stay tucked up behind them on the straights and the corners were the truck is fast the cars hold you up. The car will pull away if you get any space between the to. It don't matter to me anymore. I will work with what ever we have to work with in 2010. I'm running sprint and truck next year with 10.5 plates. I'm happy for now.:rolleyes:Maybe?LOLnot the plate..... then whats difference in what plate your running? the answer is perception. meaning its all in your mind.
your either good or you not. 10.5 to 8.5 is only a tenth difference for a good running car.

personnally i prefer 10.5 but willing to go down if it helps for the greater good.
i remember when GN switch to the 9mm . it was good and more GN cars appeared. the problem was it was too close in speed to sportsman and the 9mm carbs sucked. too many bad ones manufactured. some were better with 8.5 carb because they got a bad 9mm carbs. we did have plates back then but few used them. not sure why it was switch back. we did vote on it though. so not to worry.

I remember back when there was a 9mm rule for Gn. It wasn't well recieved if I remember correctly. I am not in favor of going any bigger than the 10.5 carb we now run on the sprint cars. I could see a ruling for a 10.5 plate for GN. and sprint, a 9.5 plate for trucks and the 8.5 for sportsman and limited sportsman or novice class.

I keep reading that stock engines are too much power for the cars. 1/5 scale run these engines too. They even run modified engines also. No use of restrictor plates at all. The cars are even lighter and they use tuned pipes...

Now the question is why do heavier 1/4 scale cars need even less power then a stock engine? I just dont understand this restrictor plate stuff. I say make it simple, run a stock engine. Sprint and GN can run a pipe. Kinda like the old days :)

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