I've never seen the following five cars listed in an Ugliest Cars list, but these are the ones that always make my brain hurt. What were they thinking?

As far as 1/64 diecast models are concerned, these are five that I Do Not Want!


http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/79f10brch.jpg
1977 Datsun F-10 ("Cherry" in Japan)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/77f10mod.jpg
(with owner improvements)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/75elite.jpg
1975 Torino Elite (Disappointing interpretation of 1973 Monte Carlo)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/58pckdhawkCr.jpg
1958 Packard Hawk (I admire all Studebakers and all actual Packards, but this desperate corporate crunch-up almost seems to speak for itself. Still, the rear "Hawk" part of this body was so well-designed that even this painful-looking, orthodontic-inspired snorkel front couldn't quite ruin it.)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/61desotoFr.jpg
1961 DeSoto (actually, maybe it's just the ugliest grille combo; the rest of Exner's 5-year-old design still looks good from the sides and rear.)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/daimlerdartred.jpg
1963 Daimler Dart (This might be the first victim of design-by-committee. There seem to be about a dozen styling themes here that don't relate to each other at all.)

You know it's bad when adding a fiberglas hardtop improves its looks:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/daimlerdartHT.jpg


Here is one ugly car that I Do Want to buy in 1/64:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/bluntfronts/58lincolncapriCr.jpg
1958 Lincoln Capri (I'll probably have to leave it to the M2 crew to pop this one out, since it fits their "Auto-thentics" theme.)

Which "ugly" cars would you want to see as JLs or other 1/64s, and which ones are so ugly that you would never buy one in 1/64, or in any scale?

Pretty much any Saab.

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/fuglysaab.jpg

No, actually Any Saab. http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/omg.gif Those cars are fugly. Even the newer ones are fugly.

Blechhh.

I want a '61 Plymouth Fury/Savoy to be made.:)

I want a '61 Plymouth Fury/Savoy to be made.:)

I agree; me too. You just can't beat having space-age jet-packs for taillights!

dig this one:

http://www.fugly-racing.com/

I know it's messed up looking but I like the Packardbaker Hawk pretty good.
Datsun B-210 is friggin hainous.
'61 Desoto? Love it!!!:p
Daimler Dart is wrong. Kinda like you said, it looks like about 3 completely different cars stuck together.
Ford Elite has little redeaming value to me. Ugly and rotten to the core.
The big '58 - '60 lincolns I like alot. I hear the dashboards dispence frech hot apple pies! ;)

'61 Plymouths however are my kind of UgLy!!!
This is one C-body I'm dyin' ta own.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/BLACK61FURY.jpg
Cross-Ram 413....I would like to do very bad things to this car!!!
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/BLAK61FURY-F.jpg
Photos stolen from moparmark
- LMX - :wave:

Cross-Ram 413....I would like to do very bad things to this car!!!
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/Lummoxed/BLAK61FURY-F.jpg
- LMX - :wave:



Seriously? Do you mean modification things or driving things? If I had that car I would drive it like I stole it but I couldn't bear to modify it. It looks too perfect just like it is.

Seriously? Do you mean modification things or driving things? If I had that car I would drive it like I stole it but I couldn't bear to modify it. It looks too perfect just like it is.

Oh HALE no, I wouldn't modify this car. Like you say, it's perrrrfect.
The BLACK makes the car look even more like satan hisseff would be the wheelman.
The most I would do would be to put black wall tires on the front and remove the front hub craps, also blackwall Racemasters out back insteaduh the wide whites:...and of course exhaust cut outs and Caltrack bars so she'd hook up. :thumbsup:
And yes, I would preform unspeakable horrors with this car driving wize....beat it like it owed me money :mad:

I dig these old SAABs and have had several. They go like a banshe in the snow.
Ugly to some I'm sure....we need one in 1/64.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:_OCbrE8G-6UJ::www.saabhistory.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/saab_96_mc850_small.jpg

It's a beautiful mopar.

Ford Elite has little redeaming value to me. Ugly and rotten to the core.
you said it - luckily Ford has come such a long way since the horrible '70s; they finallly kicked some quality-ratings butt in the latest Consumer Reports. Down but not out...

The big '58 - '60 lincolns I like alot. I hear the dashboards dispence frech hot apple pies! ;)
Sounds like the Ultimate Dream Car to me!! Now I'm drooling over an ugly car.

'61 Plymouths however are my kind of UgLy!!!
This is one C-body I'm dyin' ta own.
That beauty reminds me of the family beast Dana Andrews drove through the desert scenes in Hot Rods to Hell; cool car, thanks for the scary pix

Never seen that movie, but the movie car site makes it look awesome!!!!

This one looks like a Fury due to the extra trim...cool industrial color to boot!
http://imcdb.org/images/120/130.jpg
Mondo Gassers!!!
http://imcdb.org/images/120/133.jpg

- LMX -

Oh-oh ...Looks like we got sump-um cookin .. could be that Vette is a skeeter-duster...

Never seen that movie, but the movie car site makes it look awesome!!!!

That's a great site. I almost forgot about it. Now it's back on my favorites list (after the great virus clean-up of '08 - sheesh!)

This one looks like a Fury due to the extra trim...cool industrial color to boot!
http://imcdb.org/images/120/130.jpg
For some reason I thought the movie car was gold. I definitely like your all-Darth black version better. I agree about dumping the wide-whites, too.

Mondo Gassers!!!
http://imcdb.org/images/120/133.jpg

- LMX -

If you're going to watch the movie....

SPOILER ALERT:
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(About those gassers - don't fall too much in love with all of 'em!)

Oh-oh ...Looks like we got sump-um cookin .. could be that Vette is a skeeter-duster...

LOL - I didn't notice that at first. Anyway, there's definitely something "skeeterish" about the front of that Plymouth!

I read in that movie car site that the old joke about '61 Plymouths was "mommy, the car just ate my bicycle!".

Does anyone else think those Monty's Carload Aero Coupes are wretched looking abominations????
I know I'm bias 'cause I hate almost all '80s US cars but jeezis, these things make me cry.
One for "The List" imo.

Im one of the culprits giving love to the 80's cars. The 80's camaros, firebirds, monte carlos, mustangs, ferraris, lambos, porsches, the delorean...goes with the 80's music I cant get enough of. :)

Im one of the culprits giving love to the 80's cars. The 80's camaros, firebirds, monte carlos, mustangs, ferraris, lambos, porsches, the delorean...goes with the 80's music I cant get enough of. :)
Oh so it's YOUR fault, huh? ;)
Lotsa the music I like from metal to new wave to early hip hop.
Lots of it sucked hard too. Like any decade I guess. I think the clothing styles of the "80s is by far the worst witnessed by man-kind ....thus far.
One mid '80s US car I always thought was exeptable was the Olds 98 for some reason.
Non US I love the Maserati Quatroportte (4-dr)

Does anyone else think those Monty's Carload Aero Coupes are wretched looking abominations????
I know I'm bias 'cause I hate almost all '80s US cars but jeezis, these things make me cry.
One for "The List" imo.

I agree for the most part, although it's not the aero window that kills it for me.

I remember when GM downsized the A-bodies for 1978, they all really stunk up the market, especially the aeroback Olds & Buick. (They dropped those like the veritable hot potato by 1980. Supposedly the fastest unplanned corporate restyle since the all-new '59s replaced the all-new '58s. And with good reason, although I secretly like the aero coupe, with a few custom-body tweaks in mind.)

Anyway, for my money the worst of the '78 lot was the MC. By trying to apply all of the '73-'77 styling themes way too literally to the excessively shrunken chassis, the whole thing turned into a sad and cruel joke. Plus they rode and drove terribly, too.

The shocker is that I once read that the second best-selling MC of all time was the '79 or '80 model. So much for good taste, America. Who knew?

By the time they plopped on the big back window* (per NASCAR request or something, right?), I felt that they had smoothed out the lower body enough that it was no longer quite so offensive. The smaller quad headlights helped a lot, too. But in my mind the MC and GP never recovered from the Big Shrink enough to regain their full '69(GP), '70-'77 glory. The front of the '77 MC may look a bit odd, but IMHO the entire 1977 GP bodystyle is just about perfect.

Whenever I see (a rare) '77 GP now at a car show, I realize how good we had it even then (junky bumper and emissions strangled late-70s), and that even the plain old everyday mass-produced, mid-range, personal-luxury intermediates were almost the equivalent of the custom-bodied sports tourers that rich folks drove in the 1930s. I still want one.

(*If I recall correctly, the A-special aeroglassbacks used the GM exclusive 'hotwire' bent window glass technology, that first appeared on the gigantic Toronado XSR show car, and later made it into production on the Toronado XS and the '77 Impala Coupe. So cool, but I suspect that a high scrap rate may have kept it from becoming more widely used.)

I sure miss GM's sense of gee-whiz-look-at-what we-can-do! innovation. I guess it's gone for good, now, since it costs extra money to develop all that that cool stuff.

(Sorry for the rant - it's a slow day...)

..... '77 ............ I realize how good we had it even then (junky bumper and emissions strangled late-70s),....

(Sorry for the rant - it's a slow day...)

Rant? Heck, that's The Word Of God!

I will add though that don't forget a big reason why post '72 cars sucked so hard is because '73 was when recycled steel was first used. Those cars just seem to disintegrate like wet toilet paper.
By the '90s or so is when better rust preventative methods and materials were used to make up for the fact that the metal is regurgitated pre-rusted garbage. Even post '72 cast iron engine parts rot with great ferocity.
Welding on older cars is also far more enjoyable....less impurities.

- LMX -

..... '77 ............ I realize how good we had it even then (junky bumper and emissions strangled late-70s),....

(Sorry for the rant - it's a slow day...)

Rant? Heck, that's The Word Of God!

I will add though that don't forget a big reason why post '72 cars sucked so hard is because '73 was when recycled steel was first used. Those cars just seem to disintegrate like wet toilet paper.
By the '90s or so is when better rust preventative methods and materials were used to make up for the fact that the metal is regurgitated pre-rusted garbage. Even post '72 cast iron engine parts rot with great ferocity.
Welding on older cars is also far more enjoyable....less impurities.

- LMX -

wow - thanks! Btw, I sure wish I knew how to weld. I'd be puttin' fins on everything!!

I didn't know that about the recycled metal. That explains a lot. Even about the current state of the car companies...

I've also wondered why there aren't many '71-'72 cars around either. I'd assumed that the first new generation of postwar cost-cutters at the American companies greedily cut back too far on the factory anti-corrosion processes (it was probably Roger Smith at GM!) and began shipping out cars that started rusting on the dealers' lots (I've heard stories like that about the Vega, but I don't know if they are really true.)

Anyway, for me the epitome of American car design was 1971-72 for the Big Three and a Half, and then of course, the nasty bumper laws took their toll on car styling. Mitchell, Bordinat, Engel and Teague had all hit their strides, and then Uncle Sam (and Allstate) said, "Nope, not so fast; now it's our turn to play your game!"

After that the extreme downsizing and even more intense cost-cutting obliterated whatever shreds of coolness were left in American cars. (Only Mustangs, GNs and F-bodies got me through the '80s. Even the Corvette was kind of a slouch, at least pre-ZR1).

I know you're primarily a Mopar fan, and to me only Chrysler made it though the '80s relatively admirably. One of the unsung greats was the LeBaron GTS, in addition to the 2nd gen. convertible, the O24, GLH, Laser/Daytona and the Dodge Stealth (which definitely lived up to its name - no one seems to remember them!)

I even admire the K-cars a little bit, because at least they are sharp and clean, and no-nonsense (well, until they sprouted those goofy plastic fender gills...) Iacocca did what he had to to survive, and at least most of it wasn't hideous.
I drove an O24 for awhile and it was a fast little car that barely sipped gas and handled great. I had to cringe, though, when they later put the Charger name on it! Blasphemy!!

- BF -
You can get a portable Lincoln mig for less than 600 bucks - a used one for way less.
Plug the sumbitch into your 110 wall socket, pull the trigger and watch the sparks fly!
Better yet, take a class at your local vo-tech school. You'd be surprised how easy it is.
The hard part is in the preparation and fabrication.

I hear ya on the 71 - '72s as the epitome of US car design. Styling and quality was still pretty cool, but they seemed more serviceable and refined than some earlier cars.
Me, I'd put that "epitome" from '68 to '72. '68 was the first year for dual system brakes, and around '70 or so you'd find increasing use of front disc brakes.
In some ways I think '68 - '69 cars were a little better than '70 - '72s.
Interior materials I think may have cheapened and overall aesthetics suffered a little imo after '69-ish...depending on manufacturer.
Prior to that, I think cars dropped a level in the quality of materials in the interiors and in other ways in 1966.

On a related note...one time way back around 1980 or so, this old timer said to me..."America ain't built a real car since the late thirties."
And you know, I tend to agree.

- Dave - :wave:

- BF -
You can get a portable Lincoln mig for less than 600 bucks - a used one for way less.
Plug the sumbitch into your 110 wall socket, pull the trigger and watch the sparks fly!
Better yet, take a class at your local vo-tech school. You'd be surprised how easy it is.
The hard part is in the preparation and fabrication.
I think it will be part of my future. Among other things, I want to make a Packard Predictor out of a '76 Riviera. I can see it in my head, and I admit it, that makes me certifiably insane.

Yet, somehow this guy gives me hope:

http://www.fabulousfurnitureon28.com/merc.html


I hear ya on the 71 - '72s as the epitome of US car design. Styling and quality was still pretty cool, but they seemed more serviceable and refined than some earlier cars.
My life hero is Bill Mitchell (yes, that's how shallow I am :)), and for '71-'72 he (and DeLorean, I assume) so strongly defined each of those five divisions that GM is now being constrained by his 40-year-old design themes (GM is just not visionary enough to evolve beyond them.) So that's why I'm stuck on them, too, I guess, until something better gets put out there.


Prior to that, I think cars dropped a level in the quality of materials in the interiors and in other ways in 1966.
That's true, too. The interior in my friend's '66 Coupe DeVille would not have seemed out of place in a Rolls-Royce, yet the one in my '67 Deville Cvt might have embarrassed a Nova. The entire time I owned that car I couldn't believe how much the interior quality had been cheapened in one model year. It literally just fell apart.


On a related note...one time way back around 1980 or so, this old timer said to me..."America ain't built a real car since the late thirties."
And you know, I tend to agree.

- Dave - :wave:

I'm not sure what he meant by that - I wonder which '30s car was the last one, IHHO...Anyway, to me, just about every decade or so, Detroit has approached perfection as they refined the "American Automobile":

1949 Cadillac
1955 Bel Air
1956 Packard (that one makes it hurt to think about 1957)
1966 Toronado,
1971-72 Cutlass (the perfect car; never surpassed so far, IMHO)

I would proudly own and drive any of those for the rest of my life. As much as I hate living in the past, it's still almost as if my favorite cultural advancement (American car styling) was dead and gone by 1980.

I'm still trying to look to the future though...the new Malibu offered a rare glimmer of hope, but the pics of the Chevy Cruze and Volt have snuffed it out again. Oh, well, there's always Audi, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi to entertain us.

Predictor?!?!? Oh my god, you GUDDA make one!!!!
"Marquis Desoto"........that's too goddamb funny right there!!!!
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It's funny you compared the '66 to the '67 Caddy-lac interiors.
That's EXACTLY the example I use when thinking or talking about this subject.
You and me - we think alot alike.....and I for one am very scared for you, sir! :lol:
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Bill Mitchell......hale yeah! '48 Cad, '63-5 Riv, (had a '65) and countless other production and show cars....what an amazing eye for proportion and just plain good taste that man had.
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I would like to add a few cars to your list of fine lookers:
Most any car from the 1930's
'41 Cadillac (really the whole GM line up)
'57-8 Eldorado Brougham
'53 Studie Comand-her
'56 Oldsnowmobile 98
'56 Lincoln 2-dr
'61 GM full size line up...an under rated year, especially Buick
'67 Riv
'67 Eldo
'68 Imperials and the '68 Chrysler 300 I think are also under rated.
Also, I might not be inclined to own one, but I think the '65 - 69 Corvair 2-drs are exceptionally good looking.
As far as Cutlass's's, I like the '69s a little better myself.

- D. Generate -

Yet, somehow this guy gives me hope:

http://www.fabulousfurnitureon28.com/merc.html



An interesting car to be sure but the extremely high roof line makes it ugly. With about a 4 or 5 inch chop I might drive it.

An interesting car to be sure but the extremely high roof line makes it ugly. With about a 4 or 5 inch chop I might drive it.
Just proves you can't beat "cool" into a newer car with a hammer :D
It has some really good elements to it though in a fun cartoony kinda way.:thumbsup:

Just thought of a couple "DNWs".
"Lincoln" Versalles...I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
As if a Granada didn't SUCK bad enough, they hadda go an load it up with a buncha poorly thought out horse poo and further smear the Lincoln name in the process....eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwie!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:t0MY5Wjq6vMJ::www.lincolnversailles.c om/vershome2.jpg
I can't decide which car makes me wretch more, the Versalles or the "Cadillac" Cimmaron. Oh god, I can't even talk about this anymore....a Cadillac Celebrity (or was it a Cavalier?....[who cares!])fer cripe sakes...who ever though this one up clearly had contempt for the automobile, human kind, and obviously himself. They shoulda made him cut one up with a knive and a fork and EAT the goll-dern thang!!!!
Ok, here's a pic - but don't git any on ya! :drunk:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:mL8YCYvk5zsJ::upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/1988_Cadillac_Cimarron.jpg
Oh the humanity!

Predictor?!?!? Oh my god, you GUDDA make one!!!! I'll do my best - don't hold your breath, though. Gonna try to get a Photoshopped version done this winter, at least...'76 Rivis are virtually formless, so I think anything would be possible with one of them, if there are any survivors to be had.

It's funny you compared the '66 to the '67 Caddy-lac interiors.
That's EXACTLY the example I use when thinking or talking about this subject.
You and me - we think alot alike.....and I for one am very scared for you, sir!Don't worry, great minds think alike. Maybe we're just on the same 'meds' (J/K of course!!)
Another example is the change between the '75/'76 GM B/C body interiors (expensive looking 'powdered' velour and restrained, realistic (fake) wood panels sparsely applied) and the new '77 B/C interiors - complete with shiny, plasticky velour, and glossy, shimmery, phonily-grained fake wood everywhere - really stupid decisions on the General's part; the beginning of the end, IMHO.
Bill Mitchell......hale yeah! '48 Cad, '63-5 Riv, (had a '65) and countless other production and show cars....what an amazing eye for proportion and just plain good taste that man had.To me he's like the Armani of the Automobile. His best cars (basically everything GM made from 1960 to 1977, plus 1979 E-bodies) to me look "dressed up and buttoned down", and generally exuding high-performance when appropriate.
The great thing is, he helped improve all of the Detroit designs, because Ford, Chrysler, AMC all had to really get on their games to compete with Mitchell's GM of the '60s. He brought out the best in everyone, including the competition - such a wonderful thing should only happen again...

I would like to add a few cars to your list of fine lookers:
Most any car from the 1930's
'41 Cadillac (really the whole GM line up)
'57-8 Eldorado Brougham
'53 Studie Comand-her
'56 Oldsnowmobile 98
'56 Lincoln 2-dr
'61 GM full size line up...an under rated year, especially Buick
'67 Riv
'67 Eldo
'68 Imperials and the '68 Chrysler 300 I think are also under rated.I agree with all of those. '67 Riv is my all-time favorite perfect styling; to me it looks like the 'gentleman's dragster' as maybe imagined by Hef.

The rear of the '67/'68 Imperial is amazingly beautiful, but the fronts don't quite match them. Still an amazing overall design that makes the huge cars actually look smaller and more manageable than they are - an unusual effect.

I agree about the '61 GMs; I'm disappointed that they conventionalized everything for '62. The '61s were kind of like Jetson's cars, just with permanent landing gear.

Also, I might not be inclined to own one, but I think the '65 - 69 Corvair 2-drs are exceptionally good looking.
As far as Cutlass's's, I like the '69s a little better myself. I even like the 4-door pillarless HT Corvairs from those years - almost like mini-limos. The whole Cutlass range from '68 to '72 is perfect IMO, but I really dig the more aggressive nostril grilles and the audacious return of tailfins on the later ones. I believe that those are the styling themes that would've gotten Olds through the '90s, but apparently they decided that the grille-less frog-front would serve them better. Um, oops....!!

The thing I like most about Heller's Marquis De Soto is how he got all of those insane front elements to coexist in harmony.

IMO the headlights look better here than they ever did on the original Lincolns, and basically, since I've always wanted to see what Dagmar bumperettes would look like on just about everything, I get where he's coming from with those, and he got them perfect on this car.

The roofline doesn't really bug me as it is, but I agree that a chopped version would look good, too.

Just thought of a couple "DNWs".
"Lincoln" Versalles...I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
As if a Granada didn't SUCK bad enough, they hadda go an load it up with a buncha poorly thought out horse poo and further smear the Lincoln name in the process....eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwie!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:t0MY5Wjq6vMJ::www.lincolnversailles.c om/vershome2.jpg

Hey, whatta great post, LMX...I guess we do think alike...just as I was falling asleep the other night, one of my last thoughts was "Oh, yeah, that putrid Lincoln Versailles, too." Somehow I managed to sleep thru w/o any nightmares, thank god.

Can you believe how they slapped that vinyl padding on the continental spare tire bulge?!?! Even Elvis would've rolled his eyes if he had witnessed that.

IIRC, they charged something like a $10,000 premium over the Monarch for these leaky, squeaky, creakboxes. Maybe Ford doesn't deserve my continued enthusiasm after all...

Anyway, over coffee the next morning I flashed on the nasty downsized Lincoln Continental (with that little Hitler moustache grille) from 1980 or so. (pic later...fair warning!)

In 1990 or so one of my little-old-lady neighbors drove a brown one, and to be nice one day I heard myself saying to her, "That sure is a nice car", because I knew she was very proud of it - I think she kind of thought it made her seem modern and 'with it' since it was down-sized and expensive. Anyway, I'm going to hell for that lie, and I guess I have no reasonable defense.

I can't decide which car makes me wretch more, the Versalles or the "Cadillac" Cimmaron. Oh god, I can't even talk about this anymore....a Cadillac Celebrity (or was it a Cavalier?....[who cares!])fer cripe sakes...who ever though this one up clearly had contempt for the automobile, human kind, and obviously himself. They shoulda made him cut one up with a knive and a fork and EAT the goll-dern thang!!!!
Ok, here's a pic - but don't git any on ya! :drunk:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:mL8YCYvk5zsJ::upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/1988_Cadillac_Cimarron.jpg
Oh the humanity!

Man, you sure said it there, keemo-sabie. If only the car mags could be that honest! All I can add is: Pity the poor Caddy dealers and salemen of 1982 - they must've all been screaming "what the?" (if they could talk at all) at the first corporate unveilings!
(I know for a fact that it happened with the '86 Eldos - those salemen were seriously ticked at GM when I talked to them about it later.)

Was it '75 & 76 Rivs? For car with such a history of high style, your right, those were suddenly devoid of character.
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Remember how 70s GM hard plastic interior panels would turn to white dust from the sun?
A strange effect when you scratched them with your fingernail.
Headliners would just disintegrate and leave a very unattractive yellow foam backing that was always fun to draw on with your fingers!
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You're right. All everyone else could do was TRY to play catch up with GM/Mitchel.
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Oh god, those downsized '80s Lincolns...I forgot about those.....OUCH!
As long as Motormax or for that matter JL is in the business of replicated '80s turdmobiles, maybe some of the above mentioned automotive mistakes are in order for 1/64th.
I might buy a 1/64th Versailles, I might not. I'm just sayin'....it would be funny...:)