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pshoe64
11-19-2008, 09:24 PM
I took these in a hurry, not sure when I'd get the chance later this week. I apologize for the fuzzy photos.

The 70 Cyclone is coming along after 6-8 months of multiple re-sculpting.
I completely redid the lower body work, front grill and rear valence. I have added the tail lights for street conversion, they are pretty thin and will be easily sanded off for stock car versions. I'm hoping to have these before the holidays, I'm waiting on silicon to get here.

-Paul

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WesJY
11-19-2008, 10:08 PM
looks good!! :thumbsup:

Wes

Bill Hall
11-19-2008, 10:22 PM
Wow Paul!

Looks great...interesting choice too.

coach61
11-19-2008, 10:24 PM
Nice.......slam a tyco in her and sellit too Rich for fiddy bucks.. ( quotes Bill)

slotcarman12078
11-19-2008, 10:33 PM
Now that looks cool!!! Very sleek, trick, look like an AFX type platform, which = Tucked in fat tires with a Tjet! Awesome!! :thumbsup::thumbsup: Put me down for 2!!!!

UtherJoe

win43
11-19-2008, 10:39 PM
Great looking Cyclone :thumbsup::thumbsup:

TomH
11-19-2008, 10:42 PM
Boy, it sits RIGHT!

tjd241
11-19-2008, 11:02 PM
Great rake on it Paul. Looks nasty. Clear glass??.... that would ROCK, nd

roadrner
11-20-2008, 08:22 AM
Looks bad! Ready for some paint, decals and a trip to Daytona! :thumbsup::thumbsup: rr

Hilltop Raceway
11-20-2008, 10:33 AM
That's a mean looking Cyclone, all ready to pounce on something. Good looking body stance!!! RM

XracerHO
11-20-2008, 10:54 AM
Great body stance :thumbsup:, good for street car (nice rear tailights), street rod or my favourite - mean stockcar. ..RL

NTxSlotCars
11-20-2008, 11:22 AM
This 70 Cyclone has NorthTexasSlotCars seal of approval.

Slott V
11-20-2008, 03:34 PM
Cool car. A friend had a 428 Cyclone Spoiler when I was younger. The Spoiler center grille had what looked like a tennis ball cannon. :p

ScottD961
11-20-2008, 06:19 PM
I have bought bodies from Pshoe and I have to tell you they are very nice and they look great when finished. You may remember his Ferrari 330 pics that he posted a while back? Pics don't do them justice trust me I have another order pending with him too. Ask Bob zilla about the bodies I just dropped one of in the mail to him, and he should have it soon.

AfxToo
11-20-2008, 07:33 PM
One of favorite muscle cars of all time. I learned to drive a stick on a '70 Cyclone Spoiler 429 SCJ w/drag pack. Needless to say, the gobs of torque made it very forgiving of the first few clumsy upshifts I attempted. Besides being a serious muscle car, it was also quite luxurious and comfortable. Unlike Mopars of the day, where everything after the drivetrain was an afterthought, those big Mercs were the complete package. I'm looking forward to the finished product.

hojoe
11-20-2008, 09:20 PM
Got a 70 Cyclone GT for my 17th birthday ( yeah, I was a spoiled brat). It had a 351 cleveland with a automatic tranny. When the passing gear would kick in I left 'em in the dust. I used to beat 400 GTO's, Olds 442's and once a 327 Vette. God, I loved that car and often wish I still had it.
hojoe

pshoe64
11-20-2008, 11:15 PM
The body is 1:64th scale and is sitting on a magna-traction chassis. It should fit on any standard wheel base chassis. It looks truly sweet next to an Aurora or Auto World Charger or Roadrunner. Once I get the first cast popped, I have a set of Purolator/Pearson #21 decals and a set of AFX 5-lug rims ready to be applied! I ordered the silicon for the molds and it shipped today, so with any luck I should see the first cast by next week. I'll be sure to post when I have them ready for sale. There will be a 70 Torino sister-car down the road and if I can get the roof working for me, the 71 Monte Carlo will done as well.

Thanks,
Paul

slotcarman12078
11-20-2008, 11:33 PM
I know I can!!! Looks like I need to shut it down on ebay for a few weeks!! Me wants, me wants, me wants!!!!! Excellent detail work.. I'm very sure there's untold hours into creating this masterpiece, and they'll be worth every $$!!

UtherJoe

pshoe64
11-20-2008, 11:47 PM
I'm very sure there's untold hours into creating this masterpiece, and they'll be worth every $$!!

UtherJoe

This car went through 20+ revisions before I started getting happy with it. I have a memory tied to that car. My grandfather took me to my first stock car race and I got to see Pearson, Petty and Baker fight it out to the finish line on the last lap. I was hooked. I have all three cars in 1/24th scale models, but wanted to race them on my HO track. AFX provided the Chargers and now I get my Cyclone! I keep a tab on how long I spend creating each original to mold. This one stopped at 100 hours about 6 months ago. Most of my creations are completed and ready to cast in 30 to 60 hours of sculpting time.
I just have a hard time saying it's enough, it's there, it's finished. My wife made the comment that finished the Cyclone. I was at my desk, with a magnifier looking at the grill and head lights trying to decide if it was finished. There are about 15 photos of the real car, pinned to the wall for reference. She asked what was wrong and I pointed out the nose piece of the grill and said, does it look like that, pointing to one of the pictures. She said "yes, exactly like it." At which point she said it's HO scale, unless you can get in it, it's finished and looks great. She has a great way of putting things in perspective. And we can thank her that I'm finally ready to turn this one loose!

-Paul

ScottD961
11-20-2008, 11:55 PM
Well Dang it Paul shrink me down and let me get in one so I can do some laps then !:thumbsup:

Bill Hall
11-21-2008, 02:21 AM
Hahahahaha! Bless them all.

Great TM story Shoe.

bobhch
11-21-2008, 07:00 PM
That thing looks cool...

B:)b

satellite1
11-24-2008, 04:12 PM
Perfect :thumbsup::thumbsup:

hartracerman
11-24-2008, 04:29 PM
Just let us know when they're ready. I've been waiting years for this one and a 70 torino to show up. You can't get done soon enough!

flyingpatricio
11-25-2008, 10:30 PM
That's quite the amazing sculpting skills you have there. Cyclone and a Torino...nice set.

pshoe64
11-26-2008, 10:11 AM
I hit a small hurdle this week. The vendor I purchase my silicon from no longer carries the type I use in quantities I can afford or use before the shelf life expires. So he sent me some new stuff to try out. It mixes by weight, not volume and I need to test it first before I submerge an original in it. I have some small pieces, driver's body and head components that I have ready to cast up, so they will be done first and if all turns out okay the Cyclone will be cast this weekend. This new stuff takes longer to cure (48 hours) so I will have the first finished bodies cast by next week if all goes well. There will also be a Ferrari 275 GT Coupe and if I get to "play" some over the holiday weekend I may have the 86-7 Olds Delta 88 and 89 Buick Regal ready to press as well. I'll let you know how it goes. Cross your fingers.

-Paul

roadrner
11-26-2008, 11:21 AM
Just make sure you throw up pix of your efforts. We all like to see these projects in their entirety. ;)

Great looking Cyclone! :thumbsup::thumbsup: rr

ScottD961
11-26-2008, 12:55 PM
I hit a small hurdle this week. The vendor I purchase my silicon from no longer carries the type I use in quantities I can afford or use before the shelf life expires. So he sent me some new stuff to try out. It mixes by weight, not volume and I need to test it first before I submerge an original in it. I have some small pieces, driver's body and head components that I have ready to cast up, so they will be done first and if all turns out okay the Cyclone will be cast this weekend. This new stuff takes longer to cure (48 hours) so I will have the first finished bodies cast by next week if all goes well. There will also be a Ferrari 275 GT Coupe and if I get to "play" some over the holiday weekend I may have the 86-7 Olds Delta 88 and 89 Buick Regal ready to press as well. I'll let you know how it goes. Cross your fingers.

-Paul
LOL Ok then in addition to all the other stuff I want of yours, I'll take that Ferrari 275P !:thumbsup:

pshoe64
11-29-2008, 08:07 PM
Quick update, the female side of the molds are cast and appear to have turned out well. I'm not 100% sure because the new silicon is clear and it's hard to see the details. The inside portion of the mold is curing now and I hope will be ready for resin by Sunday night. So far I have cast up the Cyclone and the Ferrari 275 GT Coupe. We'll see how these do and then we'll see what else is ready to be molded.

-Paul

roadrner
11-30-2008, 11:58 AM
Quick update, the female side of the molds are cast and appear to have turned out well. I'm not 100% sure because the new silicon is clear and it's hard to see the details. The inside portion of the mold is curing now and I hope will be ready for resin by Sunday night. So far I have cast up the Cyclone and the Ferrari 275 GT Coupe. We'll see how these do and then we'll see what else is ready to be molded.

-Paul


Bring on the pix! :) rr

pshoe64
11-30-2008, 05:42 PM
I'm too late to go back and capture the Cyclone's molding, but here is what I do, pretty much for any of the subjects. This victim is the 90 Buick Regal Stock Car getting ready for the silicon bath.

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Here's the car, sculpting finished and ready for the molding process. This one was based on the Tomy 86 T-Bird with a reworked nose and rear valence to turn it into a Buick.

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I use a cheapy Glad container as a mold form.

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I fill the original with clay and sculpt keys at each wheel well so I place both piece together correctly when I cast the resin parts.

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At this point it goes back in the form and waits for the silcon to be mixed.

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Here's the MCSS Aero Coupe mold as an example of what they turn out like. The cut away sections allow trapped air to escape and reduces bubbles.

http://1wmx7w.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pkVs7kkthlvznUBvmodsAzwN2nfsXytP9fzMekNIT-LljOu3xDzO8BLCnS0XzNxVSMm232Yk0pXY/New%20Mold%20Separated.jpg

Here's the new Ferrari mold, just waiting for both parts to be cleaned and make sure there are no bubbles or deformities and we'll start casting resin.

http://1wmx7w.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pQ2Mxr2T2-ikadQHWxQGzY2WAg6M5YoABkxJMdodrx6ayzOvOMOXxS9NoAaQ pEtU6VsV8gCvGaIA/Molds%20in%20Waiting.jpg

The Glad containers keep the silicon supple for a longer time thanif I let them sit in the open. It also allows me to label the molds. I get about 50 or so bodies from a single mold provided the detail is not too complicated. That seems to wear out first.

The Cyclone and Ferrari are getting their first resin cast today. The first couple are used to clean any left over debris from the molding process. Release agents, clay or parts of the original will get captured by the first couple of resin runs and then I'll pop the first "production" versions. This was a hurry-up version of how I do things. If time allows, I'll work up a more detailed version after the holidays.
Stay tuned.

-Paul

Bill Hall
11-30-2008, 05:50 PM
Thanks for taking the time Paul. I learned something new already!

pshoe64
12-01-2008, 08:39 AM
The molds were completed over the holidays and I'm running a couple of cleaning casts through to removed any left over clay or mold release. The Cyclone and Ferrari 275 GT Coupe should be ready by the end of this week. If interested send me a PM and I'll get back to you.

-Paul

roadrner
12-01-2008, 10:25 AM
Great idea using those Glad containers. :thumbsup::thumbsup: rr

slotcarman12078
12-01-2008, 12:20 PM
Yeah.... What Bill said!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup: I think I may know the answer already, but I'll run it past you just to make sure. If you section a body and glue it back together, it is possible the heat during the curing process will break the glue down. I'm refering to products like testors model cement here. If you're lucky, the mold will keep it together while curing, but when you pull the master out it can be in pieces.. I'm pretty sure that's what I've read elsewhere. Will epoxies like JB Weld hold up through the molding process?? I've got a tow truck that I want to try to shorten the wheelbase on for 2 reasons.. I want it to fit directly on a T Jet chassis, and esthetically, it looks too long. Thank you for demystifying the casting process. This is on my to do list for the upcoming year!! :hat:

UtherJoe

pshoe64
12-01-2008, 01:10 PM
I use a combination of several adhesives, depending on the material I'm joining. JB Weld works great on diecasts and can still be shaped or sanded. I also use a variety of CA glues and gels, accelerators and fiberglass fillers and epoxies that also act as adhesives. Bondo is my friend! My final "originals" are usually a combination of resin, metal, plaster and fiberglass. Few rarely survive the mold casting process. That's why the first good cast that comes out, gets labeled and stored away if I ever need to recreate a mold. That's the big reason why I was getting antsy about the new silicon I was using to make these new molds. I knew the Cyclone original would never make it back out in one piece. And it didn't. Neither did the Ferrari 275.

-Paul

slotcarman12078
12-01-2008, 01:48 PM
Then I am really happy to see the molds came out OK!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Thank you for the answers!!

UtherJoe

pshoe64
12-02-2008, 10:27 PM
I have pulled two cleaning casts from each mold and they worked well. All clay and/or other stuff has been cleaned from the new mold material. This new stuff is a bit more rigid than what I used before, but looks like it will work well. We'll have to see how many casts get done before it starts to fade.

Anyway...I will start casting bodies over the next couple of days to build up some inventory to be available. I have a few pre-orders to fill and of course I want a couple! I've had a set of #21 Purolator decals waiting for quite some time to get used. I should have the new bodies ready to go by the end of the week, pending any delays from my real job.:freak:

I'll post a list of what's available in the sales forum when they are ready.
Thanks for watching and letting me rant and worry! But it looks like both bods are going to turn out fine!:woohoo:

-Paul

pshoe64
12-07-2008, 04:56 PM
I have a post in the Sale and Trade section.

Thanks
Paul

craftymore
12-08-2008, 07:02 PM
Really cool looking process you guys use to create molds for the track. Thanks for all the pics.

pshoe64
12-11-2008, 09:58 PM
Here's a few shots of a finished Cyclone. I finally got my car!!! Looks great next to the Charger and Roadrunner!

-Paul

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NTxSlotCars
12-11-2008, 10:01 PM
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Donnie Allison rides again!

roadrner
12-11-2008, 10:02 PM
Nice job! Looks great on the track. :thumbsup::thumbsup: rr

coach61
12-11-2008, 10:34 PM
Very nice work....Bravo...:thumbsup::thumbsup::woohoo:


Dave

WesJY
12-12-2008, 03:51 AM
WOW!! awesome job man!! :thumbsup:

Wes

Bill Hall
12-12-2008, 07:40 AM
Great build Paul!

Hilltop Raceway
12-12-2008, 09:55 AM
Purolater looks to be perkolating right around the track :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Thanks for the "how to do" shots. Always like picking up on other ways of doing builds. Good looking custom!!! RM

resinmonger
12-13-2008, 02:59 AM
Paul, where did the David Pearson/Wood Bros decals come from?

pshoe64
12-13-2008, 08:29 PM
Paul, where did the David Pearson/Wood Bros decals come from?

I made them. Only problem, I can't print white, so the maroon color is included behind the 21's on the roof and trunk and I print them out on Testors white decal paper. I mix the paint to match the decal, since I do not get enough consistency from my printer inks to hit the same color every time.
I have done about 300 decal layouts for HO, hoping to get a printer capable of white ink output one day. I used to do graphic design and never gave up what I learned, just applied it to my hobby instead of the publishing world. Now that I have the Cyclone and the 70 Torino (in about 3 months at the rate I'm going) I will work up some decals for them as well. I have been gathering photos for the last couple of months and will start hitting Illustrator to create some more soon. I've never sold the decals separately. Since you have to cut our every segment separately, I didn't think they would go over well compared to other makers out there like Pattos and C&R. And then there's the whole licensing thing...

-Paul

slingshot392
12-14-2008, 06:23 PM
What an excellent conversion! I may have missed it, what car did you start with? Great tutorial on casting, if you get a chance to do it in more detail some time, that would be very helpful. Using the Tupperware is a really good idea, never would’ve thought of that. Do you pour your resin or do you do the squish mold method? Do you take the rubber out of the Tupperware to release the body or is there enough give for it to come out if the rubber is still in the Tupperware?