Info taken from the ROAR Web Site at www.roarracing.com (http://www.roarracing.com)

2008 ELECTION RESULTS

228 votes cast out of 3934 members 5.8 % of membership -- Not counted were 21 ballots of memberships expired and 11 ballots of non-members

President

Dawn Sanchez 161
Gary O'Brien 41


I do believe Dawn has done one of the best jobs dealing with the issues of ROAR in many years...and this has nothing to do with that...

It is SAD, 100% SAD that out of a membership (in good standing) that only 228 members took the time to vote.

Myself, I did NOT renew my ROAR membership this year, so I was ineligible.

We don't have any ROAR tracks at the moment -- and our series doesn't base our rules, or our product legality on ROAR, but many, many places do...

So IF YOU don't like the way YOUR organization does things, or the things THEY do -- DON'T COMPLAIN!! You probably didn't VOTE!




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wooo wooo i voted

118,000 in revenue yearly, wow + i think 50% of every race they hold or something like that.

What has Roar Done for the industry lately? Just asking. Seems the Member totals have fallen off alot over the years. I do not remember them being that low.

What has Roar Done for the industry lately?

I'm not sure WHY R.O.A.R. is supposed to do ANYTHING for the industry.

R.O.A.R. is supposed to be an organization made up of enthusiasts, and with that strength, they have certain power to be able to provide a network resource for insurance for clubs, tracks and members. The members have the ability to attend CLUB oriented events (ie: Regional and National events)

The club has the ability to write rules, create classes, organize events...

What else do they NEED to do? It's pretty much up to the members from there to support the actions and events of the organization.



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Thanks to ALL the Racers and Sponsors for making the 2008 SWTour
Series INCREDIBLY COMPETITIVE, and congrats to the 2008 SERIES CHAMPIONS

BRYAN MYERS - 21.5/LIPO
GARY HAMILTON - 17.5/LIPO
BRAD MUTHER - NASTRUCK
and of course the **ALLSTAR-SHOOTOUT** Champion
LARRY RUBY


Joe Myers
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Maverick Oval Chassis (http://www.swiftracingproducts.com)
DBAnderson Machine Technologies
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Boca Bearings (http://www.bocabearings.com)
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What has Roar Done for the industry lately?

Not to "pile on", but the LAST THING I would want a sanctioning body is to "do things for the industry"... I want a sanctioning body to do things for the MEMBERS (racers in our case) -- I want them to do things to keep costs down (like restricting the battery or motor of the week), I want them to do things that create rules that at least provide a potential foundation for racing that means I can go to a track and be able to race because the rules are consistent from track to track...

Having said that, I am not currently a ROAR member -- virtually no local tracks in the area...

I would expect it to supply what you said, and to promote the hobby. work with manufactures to control costs and to set up rules that work for both the competitors and the them. etc. Really get a handle on the members and people that influence the industry.

I guess it shows in the votes they receive. If they "Quote" Did something more for the sport, maybe they would get .08% of the people voting.

I mean Come on you cannot tell me that they are not susposed to do more for the Sport!!???

It is NOT ROAR's job to promote the sport, IMHO. It is their JOB to CONTROL competition.

So with that, who's job is it to promote the sport?

YOURS, MINE & OURS!!!

This includes every "pro", every racer, every track owner, hobbyshop owner and manufacturer.

ROAR is a sanctioning body. They are not NASCAR, nobody is making a living from being involved with ROAR. And trust me if you think being an official/committee member or officer of ROAR is all that and a bag of chips, BE ONE.

I still say ROAR can do the most for bringing the Oval racers together, but they are not going to do it if all they get is grief.

I still say ROAR can do the most for bringing the Oval racers together, but they are not going to do it if all they get is grief.


Ok, lets see ROAR's plan then, BTW ROAR gets grief from all forms of racing they sanction, just not oval, funny how oval is the "minority" of r/c racing compared to the rest of r/c racing, but oval racers get flack for not being happy with the way ROAR does things right now, and by doing that somehow means ROAR wont do more to help oval ? ....... I'll remember that next time the on-road or off-road guys have a beef with ROAR rules.

IMHO, ROAR is tied too closely to what the manufacturer's want to do .........ROAR should set the rules, not the other way around.

Ok, lets see ROAR's plan then, BTW ROAR gets grief from all forms of racing they sanction, just not oval, funny how oval is the "minority" of r/c racing compared to the rest of r/c racing, but oval racers get flack for not being happy with the way ROAR does things right now, and by doing that somehow means ROAR wont do more to help oval ? ....... I'll remember that next time the on-road or off-road guys have a beef with ROAR rules.

IMHO, ROAR is tied too closely to what the manufacturer's want to do .........ROAR should set the rules, not the other way around.


That is kind of my point! And yes an organization that governs the sport should in any way they can "Promote it". It is basically a Good Business Practice for them to do so and should be #1 on thier list! No promotion= no additional memeber= lower revenues, especially since the outside companies control the rules of the sport depending on thier new products.

I mean are they supposed to wait for the manufactures to make new products to thier specification and then write rule to include them? And at the same time collect 30 dollars from almost 4K members to do so?

a good starting point would be for them to follow the rules they put in print!

i wasn't a big roar fan for along time..but man after the paved oval nats and the put head in sand mentality they had for the inductance rules i'm not sure how they are going to gain back any sort of respect from alot of oval heads...

funny how more oval heads know the name BRL than they do ROAR
funny how more oval heads look to the BRL for rules for there own tracks to follow
funny how BRL doesn't ask for 25.00 a year so sonny can sit on his hands and cash checks.

roar and oval racing is broken..they react to new products and make classes and rules over a year later?

they appear to not have there ears to the ground when it comes to products and trends in the oval side of the hobby....

things move to slow at roar for alot of electric racing classes....

i am a "racer" i do not ask anyone for any money to race with me..

NOR should i be expected to "help" promote oval racing

i should pay my entry...race and have fun
if roar wants 25.00 a year they should be the one to promote oval racing...
if they can't do it for 25.00 than they should ask for more..
they only have 4000 members and 300 of them vote? yes it's broken

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I still think ALL organizations should have the same common rules as far as brushless oval racing.. The BRL rules seem to be the most followed, and it would be very simple for ROAR to adopt the use of them. This is the only way to ensure a common rule system that all people can easily follow without having to have different equipment to run a race held by each organization.

Only time will tell what is going to happen to each organization. For the last years it has been well known that non sanctioned races are the largest there is. If Roar would take note of that and try to use the same style they might gain some people back.

As far as voting goes i think people just don't care about ROAR anymore. The only reason they have as many members as they do now is people buy a membership just to run a larger event. They could care less about anything once the event is over. I remember when it use to be a prestigious honor to win or do well at a ROAR event. Now oval racers care more about the Snowbirds or the BRL series. Why pay the 25.00 membership if you can get the same satisfaction at a non sanctioned race, and not have to deal with the drama that seems to follow a ROAR sanctioned event.

Roar Website says 30.00 for a membership. Maybe the 5 dollars difference is for promoting in 2009.

I know the AMA American Motorcyclest Assc. They are hated and loved. But they promote the crap out of thier the sport. They work with manufactures, they set rules and recently told HONDA "NO" to a new motorcycle even after it was on the market. Honda was not happy after spending millions on development I am sure. But they stood thier ground.

They "did it" because it would have been to expensive for racers to switch over and maintain the new models. The new models would have had a huge benefit to all models that were on the market. Meaning if you wanted to compete you would have to buy one.

So hate them love them, They do control thier sport. Promoting it too. Oh and By the way they are 39.00 a year to be a memeber.

I believe the ROAR membership has been 30 for quite some time. If I remember their family membership is about 1/2 price for additional family memebers living in the same household.

I also believe it's $35.00 for a CLUB or TRACK to become ROAR, and be able to benefit from the ROAR insurance package, when/where needed.



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Thanks to ALL the Racers and Sponsors for making the 2008 SWTour
Series INCREDIBLY COMPETITIVE, and congrats to the 2008 SERIES CHAMPIONS

BRYAN MYERS - 21.5/LIPO
GARY HAMILTON - 17.5/LIPO
BRAD MUTHER - NASTRUCK
and of course the **ALLSTAR-SHOOTOUT** Champion
LARRY RUBY


Joe Myers
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Maverick Oval Chassis (http://www.swiftracingproducts.com)
DBAnderson Machine Technologies
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Since I'm fairly new to this message board, here is my background on "sanctioned" racing.
I have been racing oval (carpet, dirt, black top and concrete) for over 12 years. I was a ROAR member, competed in the 2003 carpet oval nationals in Milwaukee, Wi and since then I haven't renewed my membership. I also was a licensed technical inspector for NASCAR for the local weekly running dirt tracks. I understand sanctioned racing and what it can do and should do for its sport.
What I don't understand is how does a r/c racing organization like BRL with only 5 races in a "winter" racing season, have so much control on the rules in the upper midwest? What is this saying about r/c oval racing? Do we need a "revised" sanction? Do we need a "new" sanction? Do we need more tracks to come to an agreement on rules? Is this new following of the BRL rules saying that oval racers want a set of rules that are the same at 5 different tracks in 5 different states? I want it to be known that I mean no disrespect towards Sonny in any way, I am just stating the facts on what anyone can see. Also, I am only asking and speaking about oval racing. I personally would pay a $20 membership fee to a sanction that would get tracks to conform to a set of rules. So I know that if would go traveling to other tracks that would be under the same sanction, the rules would be exactly the same as my local track under the same sanction. This I believe would help generate more interest in r/c racing because people would understand that there would be other tracks that they could go race at and have a fair shot at doing good because everyone runs under the same set of rules.

This is my 2 cents. :thumbsup:

Craig

I put the money up to start an organization that is nationwide. If there is a Real need and support for it.

I toyed with the idea a while back ago, I just don't see it flying w/o a whole bunch of negativity from the normal people...

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it was an idea - but I'd have no way to see it through on a National Level myself...

well if we get enough people interested. I am Game. I will also structure the yearly championship a different way.

Ready and willing when the masses are.

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Great post Dale,and oh so true!:thumbsup:

I wonder who hes refering too. Lol

:) :) :)

dale when you get some time..can you tell us how you realy feel! LOLOLOL

sonny is doing a fine job and alot of us have taken notice!

great post dale.


and your bodies do RULE!!!!!