Curious,would any of you guys come as far as Maine for a Money race,if so what would it take ,a couple grand to win maybe 1500? payback say 8 spots? I know travel is costly and racing these cars is not about the money.of course there is also bragging rights when you win! :):woohoo:any thoughts or input would be appreciated

Just get the track Qsac sanctioned and put in for a race next year 2010. The money drives a lot of people away. If it is big money they will be big wrecks. We will be running a $1000.00 purse here in SC. next year. That will be $500 for 1st, $250 for 2nd, $100 for 3rd, $100 for TQ, and $50 for best of show.

I would love to come to maine to race.

Just get the track Qsac sanctioned and put in for a race next year 2010. The money drives a lot of people away. If it is big money they will be big wrecks. We will be running a $1000.00 purse here in SC. next year. That will be $500 for 1st, $250 for 2nd, $100 for 3rd, $100 for TQ, and $50 for best of show.

I would love to come to maine to race.


Jeff. Money drives alot away, you put that in ink, So why are ya gonna have a money race. Opp's Wreck fest??:confused::confused:

Just get the track Qsac sanctioned and put in for a race next year 2010. The money drives a lot of people away. If it is big money they will be big wrecks. We will be running a $1000.00 purse here in SC. next year. That will be $500 for 1st, $250 for 2nd, $100 for 3rd, $100 for TQ, and $50 for best of show.

I would love to come to maine to race.


Huh?.....:confused:....LOL

Curious,would any of you guys come as far as Maine for a Money race,if so what would it take ,a couple grand to win maybe 1500? payback say 8 spots? I know travel is costly and racing these cars is not about the money.of course there is also bragging rights when you win! :):woohoo:any thoughts or input would be appreciated

Jeff is right about getting the track QSAC sanctioned. That way you can bid for a NCS race, plus you get your track listed on the QSAC web site. Which gets over ten thousand hits per week (Sometimes more).

With a new track I feel the first thing you need is a good strong weekly turn out. Here are some great ideas to get racers involved in Q-scale. I practice some of these techniques myself.

http://www.qsac.org/pdfs/QSAC%20Track%20%20Promo%20Outline%201-1-06.pdf (http://www.qsac.org/pdfs/QSAC%20Track%20%20Promo%20Outline%201-1-06.pdf)


I don’t race any different for money. Money or no money I’m there to have fun and go for the win. However, I have seen racers drive like idiots when $$$ is on the line. It can bring out the worst in some. :(

I think the question being asked here is what do we have to do to make this a place that you want to come to.
What do we have to do to get you here?
Becoming QSAC sanctioned is big on our priority list. The commitment to get things right is priority number one!
Too often I have seen threads about new track announcements that have no plan other than a well intentioned individual with a good idea and pocket full of dreams on one side and a pocket full of lint on the other!
I have invested a serious amount of funds and effort into this project and those racers that have visited the track have been pleasantly surprised at what they see when they get here. This is the motivation I need to continue.
This place is for everyone in rc that like to go round and round.
When we are ready you are all invited, I hope you all show up.
If we have any money left we will figure out who gets what. lol............................................... .(still lol)..
Dan

Curious,would any of you guys come as far as Maine for a Money race,if so what would it take ,a couple grand to win maybe 1500? payback say 8 spots? I know travel is costly and racing these cars is not about the money.of course there is also bragging rights when you win! :):woohoo:any thoughts or input would be appreciated

In all the years I have been racing 1/4 scales a big purse has not been the thing that brings me to the track. I have found and Jeff has stated money and especially big money to win drives people away. I raced go karts once for money and you could have been seriously hurt for a small purse. People were taking chances they never would have otherwise. I have seen the same in smaller scales.
Build the track get a QSAC race in 2010 and we will come. I have traved from Vegas, NV. to Houston, TX. to Pembrook, NH. to Hideaway speedway up in MN. and a lot of diferent tracks in between. Not for the money but to race with fellows with the same intrest. This is a hobby we don't do it for money. It's all about the fun of racing a new track and with new friends. Trust me you will become our new friends.

I said that paying big money, $1500 to win would be a wreck fest. Not me, I want to keep my car. The race we will have will be between Easley and Clover and the best average finishes is how the money will be payed out. Not how you do at one track. I will post more details later on HT.:thumbsup:Jeff. Money drives alot away, you put that in ink, So why are ya gonna have a money race. Opp's Wreck fest??:confused::confused:

Jeff. $1500 or $1000 is big money in our hobby. Ought-oh im back pedaling. But hey my brother. Im picking up what your laying down.. $1500 is big money and $1000 will just tickle ya a tad, to come get ya some. A double standard. A Money Run is just that!!!!! No matter how ya want to water it down. Money is what tickles most folks. Not the love of the Hobby. Take it how ya Want Jeff. You made your point clear. Money Attracts.
refer back to wreck fest.

jeffdavis38. Hey my friend I just couldn't resist. LMBO!!!!!!!!! Knock and the door shall open.

Suggestion. I think all big money races should also include a couple of things 1. refferees, 2. security. In 10th scale I can remember breaking up fights over $100.00 race purses. That is one of the things that drove me away from 10th scale. Luckely it seems like the 1/4 scalers are a little older and a little more mature. Just my oppinion but I don't race these cars for the money. I enjoy racing in general and the fellowship of good people. If you build it they will come. (from all over)

I see both sides of the money race deal! Been to big money races in the past and traveled for no money races. I guess my only suggestion if you are have a money
race is to pay back all spots in the A main not just the top three! Money does attrack
alot of racers but also drives alot away, kinda of a washout! Not sure what it takes
to get people to travel especially the way the economy is. One of the best ways that
I've seen threw the years is the Royal Oak Grand National, a charity event, I would
like to see more of those types of races across the country.

I know how to get Willy there, Bud. and Lobster. LOL

You don't have to buy Lobster. Just free budwiser.:lol::devil:I know how to get Willy there, Bud. and Lobster. LOL

This would be along drive for me but I'm in if I can hookup with someone. I live in South Carolina. I may can get a ride with the j and m hobbies gang. Very nice people!!!

You don't have to buy Lobster. Just free budwiser.:lol::devil:

Jeff. You know Willy oh to well. LMBO!:woohoo:

Nice job Guys
The responses in this thread have been very informative and very lively.
Where were all these ideas when I started building the place?

The whole money thing started as part of a brain storming effort to figure out the interest before I went in the hole for another 10 grand.

The interest seems to be there on both the local and national levels.
Most business people of average intelligence would have done this sort of research before constructing such a place. Some would tell you I don't fit in either category .

And I like the idea of racing for lobsters and beer!
So what we will do instead of having a pay out we will have a big lobster fest after the races and salute and cheer the winners and everyone that shows up gets a Old Cedar Speedway winners t-shirt and tricked out key chain.

Of course everyone is invited to bring there guitars and we can build a big bon fire and have a talent contest after dinner....................$50.00 to the winner (lol)
Dan

Oh by the way.
One of the visitors to the track thought I should build an octagon to host mma fights in the infield.
I told him that's what the drivers stand was for.


Just kidding..............................

Nice job Guys
The responses in this thread have been very informative and very lively.
Where were all these ideas when I started building the place?

The whole money thing started as part of a brain storming effort to figure out the interest before I went in the hole for another 10 grand.

The interest seems to be there on both the local and national levels.
Most business people of average intelligence would have done this sort of research before constructing such a place. Some would tell you I don't fit in either category .

And I like the idea of racing for lobsters and beer!
So what we will do instead of having a pay out we will have a big lobster fest after the races and salute and cheer the winners and everyone that shows up gets a Old Cedar Speedway winners t-shirt and tricked out key chain.

Of course everyone is invited to bring there guitars and we can build a big bon fire and have a talent contest after dinner....................$50.00 to the winner (lol)
Dan
OH NO WILL DRESSED IN DRAG PLAYING THE GUITAR AGAIN....I CAN HARDLY WAIT...LOL

I don't know what money races you guys have participated in, but my experience has been the exact opposite. A few years ago the Las Vegas Supernationals paid $1000 to win in each of the classes and the racing was pretty darn clean. Same up here for some the District Championship events years ago. The sloppiest, dirtiest, cheapist racing you will see is during your local club events when there is NOTHING to be won or lost. Just my opinion.

Scott

I tend to disagree with the theory that racing for money causes a crash fest. I’ve raced in several payout events in all scales and the prize money is the last thing that comes to mind when your in the heat of battle. Usually a persons reputation is worth far more than any amount of cash he will win at an R/C event. Besides history has shown us we can easily crash each other without any money up for grabs. :)

Having said that the bonus money is nice but not really what draws racers in. For most it’s the people and the excitement generated around a big event. Good promotion builds car counts and good pre-race buzz tends to feed on itself making everyone want to be there. Not many want to drive long miles to race less than a full field so promote, promote, promote. Obviously a good track and gaining a reputation of managing a timely race program will also help.

If you do opt for a payout I would suggest spread the purse throughout the field. Big money on top only matter to the guy that wins it. I see a lot of races that pay the top 3 spots ridiculous amounts and offer nothing for forth on back. The events are usually titled “The First Annual _ _ _ _” Problem is they never make it to the second annual because they paid too much to the top 3 and forgot about all the other guys that made the event happen.
Figure your purse amout and use the QSAC payout structure as a guide. It tend to work out pretty well. Also put some cash or nice race prizes up for the lower main winners. If a racers feels like he can win something regardless if his in the A-main or the F-main he is likely to show up, go home happy, and come back again the following year.

That’s my 2¢

Good luck with the new track.:thumbsup:

When It comes to being the first crossing the line at the flag ,I would rub,,,,, but not wreck anyone ,My fingers would be red from squeezing the trigger ,:thumbsup: Robert

Estimated Time: 21 hours 54 minutes Estimated Distance: 1327.58 miles

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Now that is a HAUL!!

well i have been racing since 90 2 years in 1/4 scale and i have yet competed in a decent payout race were it was give and take i was in the BRP dash at the finalshowdown last year and had 80 bucks of damage to a great car i will not run that again

OH NO WILL DRESSED IN DRAG PLAYING THE GUITAR AGAIN....I CAN HARDLY WAIT...LOLno mike i will stick to telling my everyday stories of what happens around my house that always is a crowd pleaser and entertainment:thumbsup:

Money won't draw me. a good track and nice car counts on regular basis is the draw.
I won the money race at the Freddie 500 and the only time i thought about the money
was when it was over.

I agree with Sonny. payout the field. at a minimum, payout everyone in the A main.
using the QSAC formula is an excellent idea.

in fact some won't even race in a money race because they feel they have no chance.
but if they can win something for making the A. That will feel good because making the A main at a large event is something to feel good about. and getting even 5 dollars back makes it even better.

It could be called a special event. Or whatever.leave it up to the track owner ,or the club president. with no mention of the $$$ Leave the money factor out till the race day is final, then surprize, it was a money event. and payout all in the Main event. Would take the greed factor out and make for a more Fun race attitude. Im telling ya, the mention of money changes everything for most people.

Back in my 10 scale days at some of the big races they would give the signed up drivers a raffle ticket ,put the twin ticket in a can , then during the day they would pull the twin ticket call out name and give out the prize. That gives you a chance to win with out effecting the racing , in my opinion it made it more fun , You can give out a car , motor ,tires, when doing that you are also supporting the MANUFACTURERS , by spending the cash with them and giving the prizes to the raffle WINNERS,good luck with your new track it is a nice one ,,,:thumbsup: Robert

I have another idea It goes something like this:
I was at a skeet shooting national championship and at the end of the official event all the people in attendance gathered and held an auction.
The way it worked was people bid on the shooter of course the high bid got that particular shooter. after the top ten shooters were auctioned off they had a 50 skeet shoot off. The shooter that hit the most skeet was the winner. he got a trophy ,1/2 the auction money and bragging rights, the bidder got the other half of the auction money.

What this did was keep the audience attendance up and got the spectators involved on a personal level with the shooters. It also of course was done during the diner hour which kept the concession stand busy all day (this works for me!) It worked like a charm. Having been to one as a spectator I can assure you there is nothing on this earth any more boring than 10 hours a day for 2 days at a skeet shoot! (I had to go my wife was a judge) I will get a divorce before I 'll go again!

Anyhow we off course would substitute shooters for drivers and shot guns for cars, and split one half of the proceeds with the winning participants and the other half would go to a fund to get less fortunate children into rc racing. Sort of a big brother rc program.
Just a thought.

I have another idea It goes something like this:
I was at a skeet shooting national championship and at the end of the official event all the people in attendance gathered and held an auction.
The way it worked was people bid on the shooter of course the high bid got that particular shooter. after the top ten shooters were auctioned off they had a 50 skeet shoot off. The shooter that hit the most skeet was the winner. he got a trophy ,1/2 the auction money and bragging rights, the bidder got the other half of the auction money.

What this did was keep the audience attendance up and got the spectators involved on a personal level with the shooters. It also of course was done during the diner hour which kept the concession stand busy all day (this works for me!) It worked like a charm. Having been to one as a spectator I can assure you there is nothing on this earth any more boring than 10 hours a day for 2 days at a skeet shoot! (I had to go my wife was a judge) I will get a divorce before I 'll go again!

Anyhow we off course would substitute shooters for drivers and shot guns for cars, and split one half of the proceeds with the winning participants and the other half would go to a fund to get less fortunate children into rc racing. Sort of a big brother rc program.
Just a thought.

Not really the same, but.. http://www.glqsr.com/RoyalOak-concept.pdf

Sonny i agree 100 %

I've been around r/c racing for about 18 years
racing all types of r/c cars

money races ( far few and inbetween)
happen so little around the midwest

i would go to a money race
way before another throphy race .....


this is my 1st year racing 1/4 scale
and had a blast

i did go to woodward and race that money race
had a blast and the money that was given out
paid for alot of the trip
i also brought my wife
and we both had fun ( she had fun shopping, it didn't mater how much money i won at the track ....... wouldn't have covered her shopping )

Sonny i agree 100%

i've been r/c racing all types for 19+ years

a money race..... i would go to in a heart beat...
a trophy race ....well let's say another dust collector
a local race ...... warm up for money races

i did go to the royal oak race and had a blast
yes they gave out money and that helped pay for some of the trip

i will go back forsure

as long as my car is hooked up and competitive and i meet new people and have a good time im in..."hobby" not "nascar"...just my 2 cents...ok ok maybe even the 2 blonde's in the 15th annual snowbirds nationals pictured on the right would make me show up too!!!

Big Show has a point. I race more aganist friends and money doesn't mean that much, Bragging rights, Now That's Priceless! Besides as far as travel goes, I live, on a round trip 3000 miles and 48 hours away. How much money are you racing for?

A special race at your track would either be a family vacation or a bunch of guys jump in the truck and head out.

I say, save your money build up your track and attendence with local racers. Then get on everybodies race calander and throw a big race in 2010 and I'll be there with friends in tow from Alabama.

I wont lie...if you put up enough money, I would come. I am planning on going the the 4th of July race at Hideaway for two reasons, one of which is the money, the other to get another shot at Scott!

I wont lie...if you put up enough money, I would come. I am planning on going the the 4th of July race at Hideaway for two reasons, one of which is the money, the other to get another shot at Scott!

If the money wasn't there would you still go?

Money rules. But not for me. If this was what my livelihood depended on, then it might be a tad different.

We are talking bout a hobby, not Nascar.

The Love of Money,is what has the world down to her knee's.=Greed!!!!

If the money wasn't there would you still go?

Personally, probably not. The only reason I say that is that I am personally focusing on running NCS races myself, and for me to go that far out of my way to make it to a race I would need good reason. Dont get me wrong, racing is litterally my life and I know more than most that you dont make money at this sport. Its just extra inscentive. I do however want to make it to the Royal Oak race. Just because of its history.

Chance

Big Show has a point. I race more aganist friends and money doesn't mean that much, Bragging rights, Now That's Priceless! Besides as far as travel goes, I live, on a round trip 3000 miles and 48 hours away. How much money are you racing for?

A special race at your track would either be a family vacation or a bunch of guys jump in the truck and head out.

I say, save your money build up your track and attendence with local racers. Then get on everybodies race calander and throw a big race in 2010 and I'll be there with friends in tow from Alabama.



couldnt have said it better!:thumbsup:

CHANCE i see you lurking in here!!