It states in the rules that we can run 4-cell 10.5 or Lipo 17.5.

I think this is detrimental to the class that doesn't seem to be getting a real strong following in some areas. I see 3 people so far are the only ones indicating that they are running it, I'm sure there are more, like myself:freak:

Sonny's rules are Sonny's rules and I don't have a problem with that.

My worst fear is 4-cell being better on certain tracks and being the same or slower than the lipo at other tracks.

This means preparing two cars, two motors, two different types of batteries etc etc.

My hope would be a "Gentleman's Agreement" to leave the NIMH at home and have everyone run Lipo 17.5.

I will only run Lipo 17.5 regardless of which is faster...signed Danny B.

I agree it would be better to just have it one way or the other. In my opinion NiMH will be faster, so that is what I planned to run. I was really hoping that 17.5 would prove to be faster, so there would be no issue. From what I have seen and heard that isn't how it has played out unfortunately.

I would love to leave the NiMH stuff at home, but unless everyone agreed to race that way or the rules were changed I can't justify traveling all that way to run a class and leave 2 seconds on the table versus guys running a different power plant.

I think (hope) there will be 15-20 in the class, it's kind of hard to get everyone to play together via a gentlemans agreement, especially less than two weeks out.

Not that it will matter for me since my stuff sucks this year no matter what I power it with.

I too agree, from what I heard happened at cincy last weekend it sounds like 10.5 is the way to go. There goes $200 down the drain, but we will have to see what happens at omaha and go from there, 21.5 looks very inviting.

Hope to see ya in NE

Jason

Danny,

First I want to say thank you for bringing this up. But sorry, I can't go along with your line of thinking. As of today I plan on making it to all the BRL races. I am only going to run the "Pro Modified class" and I am going to run 4 cell 10.5. I don't own a lipo battery and don't plan to until I am forced to get one. If it were up to me I would still run brushed motors but as the case may be that is not going to happen.

This past weekend here in Cincy we had 13 guys running the "Pro Class" with only two people making the "A" running Lipo. The fastest was John Foister, and he split the weekend between the two cars (NiMH and Lipo). Since we get to spend a lot of time together due to work his opinion is that the two classes are very equal in horsepower and has run the same times with both cars. This weekend I also know that Corey Heft and Frank Ulbrik both had lipo cars and opted to run their 4 cell cars in the quals and mains. Does this mean that 4 cell is faster? I am not confident enough to make that statement but I do not have a problem running 4 cell and Lipo together.

I have also seen issues with Lipo batteries not holding up. I know of several packs that have lost voltage from cycling 7.35 as a pack to 7.25 as a pack. With a loss of ten full points in voltage that pack will run about a lap slower. Which makes a $120 dollar lipo junk. Where as if I have NiMH pack loose some run time or voltage I can still dead short it and gain some of that power back. Not to mention that a person would only be out $45!

Let me also state that am a skeptic when it comes to lipo batteries. I don't see them as the answer for racing and in fact I think that they could hurt racing in the future. What has lipo solved? I mean we now have more voltage than what we need which makes us have to run slower motors so that people can drive them or handle the increase in speed. If we are going to make Lipo the battery of choice then lets combine them with 6 cell NiMH. I would much rather run a 6 cell pack which has the same voltage as a lipo. But wait we got rid of six cell because the class was to fast. I guess they say everything goes in circles, that awesome to hear because I can't wait for the Mullet to come back in style! Danny, if you want to make it a lipo only class then I feel it needs to be open up to 6 cells too. This would not go for the 21.5 class since they have a limit on the battery. What do you think about that?

I also want to give a pat on the back to Sonny for allowing this class to run at this years BRL series. I think that calling it "Pro Modified" and opening it up to two different battery and motor types will allow a person more options than making another spec class. I trust to think that most racers will choose the class they want to run biased on what they feel their skills can handle. If "Pro Modified" is not their cup of tea then so be it. That is why there are three other classes to run.

As for your fear of lack in attendance I would not worry about that. Not to say that the "Pro Modified" class is going to be the largest but I am sure there will be a dedicated group of racers who will run it, my guess about 20 to 25.

Monti

Thanks for you honest opinion monti. I agree with certain things and disagree with a few of you points.

I am not a fan or a hater of lipo, I've only ran it twice. I really just want to hear what other people are doing and think about the situation. Racing will be good regardless. and I like Monti and others have either type of battery a call away, so that hasn't changed my feelings.

The way it looks to me, I'll run 4-cell 10.5 when allowed and run Lipo at races that it isn't combined. That's my thoughts right now.

Lipo Open would be fun too.

I too agree, from what I heard happened at cincy last weekend it sounds like 10.5 is the way to go. There goes $200 down the drain, but we will have to see what happens at omaha and go from there, 21.5 looks very inviting.

Hope to see ya in NE

Jason

No, cause you can't run your lipo in that class, so there's another what $80??? lol

Just stirring the pot. Better than reading about Steiner's thriving sticker business.

This is going to be a good thread :)

This is going to be a good thread :)

It won't be as exciting as you're hoping for, because we all play nice with each other for the most part. That's why I travel across the country to attend some races that are actually fun. The rules and classes etc are secondary to that.

Pat.... I meant it in a good way... It's all good. I think 10.5 will be faster than 17.5 Lipo. I wanted to see others opinions.

Theres too much to say I cant type it all. lol

Quick notes:
1)I agree with monti on the lipos situation. I feel like we all are a line of sheep following each other off the cliff without any idea where we were going. I'm not against it but it all happend so quick and has brought up alot of other issues and I think it places more of a demand on your equipment.

2)I like the ease of lipos for club racing so I may run it weekly and probably run 4cell at the BRL races but we'll see what happens.

3)I really dont have the time/money/ambition anymore to thoroughly test both and make a real good decision so that kind of sucks. But it should make it interesting and give more options mixing the two.

4)Gentlemens agreement dont last long in racing.

5)I'll still be 1+ laps behind Frank.

6)Steiner likes Men.

7)Corey doesnt seem like a very scary prison guard.

8)Iowa still sucks to drive through

9)Illinois is worse

10)I hate the Cubs & Bears.

11)Nice thread Danny B

:wave:

Ok ok ok ok...What did I do? :confused: :drunk: :rolleyes:

Ok ok ok ok...What did I do? :confused: :drunk: :rolleyes:

I heard you won on Saturday so I thought you deserved some shit.:hat::wave:

We can take the motor limits off if that will help...:)


It would be nice to race mod like a man again.....:wave:

I still am in favor of LiPO 13.5.

I still am in favor of LiPO 13.5.

Me to just remove the 1

If we had just (1) slow controlable speed class and (1) real fast class that would be good with me! Make it so you dont have to pull the trigger all the way.

no motor limits, i love being frustrated and going fast:woohoo:


jason

Me to just remove the 1

I'll run LiPO with a 13.5 and you can run it with a 3.5. :) Tortoise and the Hare sort of thing.

You have to bnring your own broom and dustpan though!

you will have to drive through my parts scattered across turn 3 at omaha

I'll run LiPO with a 13.5 and you can run it with a 3.5. :) Tortoise and the Hare sort of thing.


That's the beauty off open mod. Lot's of different combos that could win.

no motor limits, i love being frustrated and going fast:woohoo:


jason

ET Phone home. Could lightning strike twice?

nope i am faast this time:thumbsup:

That's the beauty off open mod. Lot's of difffernt combos that could win.

In theory.

In practice we'd all just run a 3.5 and one or two would have the skill to hook it up and the rest of us would break stuff. It'd still be fun though!

nope i am faast this time:thumbsup:

LOL that is a good one. I was faast by Sunday of the finals last year.

I say we all run open mod with spec blue fronts and spec green rears. Now try to make that thing turn!

I would love to see monti struggle with those:wave:

I've thought for years we should have a class where you run hard blues front and rear. It'd bring back some driving skill and cut our tire bills by 500%. I just get laughed at when I suggest it though.

3.5 Lipo might be a bit much but it would be fun to try. I really think a 4.5 lipo would work there.

At the Birds with the super high grip level 3.5 would not be a problem.

we need to do something with those motors sitting on the shelf

1" tires all the way around.

That's the beauty off open mod. Lot's of different combos that could win.

Throw in the Sully Factor...and you've got some interesting racing! :woohoo:

Throw in the Sully Factor...and you've got some interesting racing! :woohoo:

Ahh Grandpa and Grandson mixing it up again.

We would have to get him away from Harbor Freight first.

Bill mixed me right into the garage door at saturday, and it was my fault, go figure:freak:

Bill mixed me right into the garage door at saturday, and it was my fault, go figure:freak:

I can hear the Post Race Quote “ Hay Jason what happened to you”:rolleyes:

no he thought he had a shot at steiner and i ruined it

Bill mixed me right into the garage door at saturday, and it was my fault, go figure:freak:

Your Grandpa said he wasn't sure what you were doing. You just dove across the white at him! :drunk:

like he has never done that:confused:

Well what the heck were you doing hitting his front bumper with your spur gear.

like he has never done that:confused:

NEEEEEEEEVER!

Next time Jason, open the garage door and back the blazer up. That way Grandpa can load your car up for you! :woohoo:

So let the 10.5 nimhs and the 17.5 lipos practice together, but the run the qualifiers and mains as separate/different classes. You declare your class before the first qualifier.
Adds about 15 minutes to program time on Saturday and about 10 minutes on Sunday.

Yea, I need one of those too, an R/C oval car that can run in every class, not offend
anyone, and yet never be beat. . . .

The LIPO, MUDD, KSG, LE, TQ CELL, TM, NOVAK, BRL, SMC, OHP, OCP, TEKIN, IRS, PSE
PUTNAM, ASSOC., TRINITY, PRO LINE, PRO MATCH, PRO BUILT, PRO HEBITION, EPIC,
YOKOMO, RIP, HP, TOWER, LOSI, CW, CP, CE, ORC, CRC, HD, X-RAY, BOCA, FUTABA
KO, JR, LRP, RPM, GP, ORIAN, HORIZON, BSR, TAN LINE SPECIAL. . . .

If we would just stop listening to all you doom sayers, we could all buy our way out of this problem, and move onto whats really important, Finishing in front of the next guy. . .


Just Keep Racin'
Sparky

So does this mean we're racing open mod with lipos now in Pro Mod.:)
I'm in!!
:woohoo:

So does this mean we're racing open mod with lipos now in Pro Mod.:)
I'm in!!
:woohoo:

Well if you are in then I am too!

Monti

So does this mean we're racing open mod with lipos now in Pro Mod.:)
I'm in!!
:woohoo:

We could only hope. I'll dust off my 128 spurs and 20 tooth pinions

I still have a problem with the Class Name "pro modified". A class than anyone can enter and you have to run a spec motor. Dialed.

I still have a problem with the Class Name "pro modified". A class than anyone can enter and you have to run a spec motor. Dialed.

I agree with your point, but I beleive it is any roar approved 10.5/17.5.

How dare you mention the R word on a BRL thread...lol

Give me 12 drivers that will commit and we will run an Open Mod class in Omaha.

Lipo or up to 6 cells NiMh.
Any brushless motor (Whatever you can put down)
Pro Mod chassis and body rules.

1. Sonny B
2. Danny B
3. Mike Clement
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11. Pat Simkins ????
12. Frank Ulbrik ????

with work all crazy and stuff i waznt going to be able to make the omaha race but if you guys get 12 mod racers and i can run a 3.5 with lipo i'll change plans and book a flight!

I'll run it. Since I have to build up a second car now anyway...lol :-)