Alright guy's tell me why locals do not go to NCS races ?


Just a thought maybe some of the locals (sportsman drivers) see some of the guy's that are running in the sportsman class that need to be in grandnational class. Maybe QSAC needs to look at a rule change for example, instead of the rule that you cannot run sportsman and grandnational at the same event, it should be that if your in the sportsman class you cannot run in the truck class or the sprint class, Only sportsman class. If you run in the sprint, or truck class with the 10.5mm carb. then you do not need to be in the sportsman class. Just look at the final results of the NCS races.

Something is not right when the person that WON the sportsman class also won the sprint car class. Why not just have an open wheel class and a body class. I have been to NCS races if you watch open practice you cannot tell the difference between a sportsman car and a grandnational car. Maybe the sportsman cars should be slowed down even more then maybe some of the better drivers (sportsman wackers) would move up where they should be.

How about some of you sportsman drivers chime in and let the QSAC officials know what you think.

The question should not only be for the NCS, but year around racing.... Why is the Sportsman class so much more popular over the GN?

I have been racing GN for the first half of the summer locally, and since the first or second week of August the whole track has been running Sportsman. The first half we would have the same three guys on the lead lap (but spread out) and most eveyone else was a lap or two down. I have noticed that with everyone running sportsman more guys are on the lead lap and usaully 1, 2, & 3 place are within one straightaway of each other. Very close racing.........now that is a rush........ I like both, But I will run whatever my local track offers. I do like the idea of a busch class for beginners.

LPR has experienced the same. It has narrowed the gap between the faster and the intermediate racers. Our racing has become very competitive and it's has been Sportsman for two seasons now.

Our new racer class is called Limited Sportsman. As the name states, they are limited in experience, but have great potential to be track champions one day.:thumbsup:

I have noticed that with everyone running sportsman more guys are on the lead lap and usaully 1, 2, & 3 place are within one straightaway of each other. Very close racing.........now that is a rush........ I like both, But I will run whatever my local track offers. I do like the idea of a busch class for beginners.

well here is my 2 cents (sportsman wackers) run sportsman at there local track because guess what? thats probable all they have to run luckily my track has started to get enough to branch out we have started truck which i have not got to participate yet do to repair but next year is looking like sprint may be added plus most of us run in a class that we are familiar with. setups vary major from one class to the other so i would not call it wacking i just call it get in were you fit in and have a good time and hope you can move up sometime
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My thoughts here would be to open up the GN class. RC230 motor with a stock muffler, the rest is up to the racers imagination.

Leave Sportsman alone... it ain't broke:thumbsup: Maybe the sportsman cars should be slowed down even more then maybe some of the better drivers (sportsman wackers) would move up where they should be.

i say leave it! i wouldnt want the gn class opened up..then it would be a money game. and would detour more people from running gn and thus more experienced drivers in sportsman. all though it would be exciting at first to see the gn's opened up. i dont think it would be cost affective...just my 2 cents.


DC

That is right it would be all about who has the bigest pocketbook. I think the rule should be changed to if you run sportsman you cannot run any other class. People that want to run two classes can run trucks & gn or sprint & gn or trucks & sprint. All 10.5 carbs.

i say leave it! i wouldnt want the gn class opened up..then it would be a money game. and would detour more people from running gn and thus more experienced drivers in sportsman. all though it would be exciting at first to see the gn's opened up. i dont think it would be cost affective...just my 2 cents.


DC

Change or no change to the GN, the Sportsman class does not need to be touched.

Agreed, if racers are running in any 10.5 class, they should not be allowed to run a 8.5 Sportsman class. This rule had to be an oversite long ago.

And no, there is nothing wrong with running more than one class at an NCS if you can afford it, as long as that class is a 10.5.

That is right it would be all about who has the bigest pocketbook. I think the rule should be changed to if you run sportsman you cannot run any other class. People that want to run two classes can run trucks & gn or sprint & gn or trucks & sprint. All 10.5 carbs.any form of raceing any class do your homework pay the tire bill you will be up front in any class period my son just got started he knows the car i pay the tire bill he will run up front in novice oop's i forgot he all ready has

Change or no change to the GN, the Sportsman class does not need to be touched.

Agreed, if racers are running in any 10.5 class, they should not be allowed to run a 8.5 Sportsman class. This rule had to be an oversite long ago.

And no, there is nothing wrong with running more than one class at an NCS if you can afford it, as long as that class is a 10.5.you cant say that tim and expect to have a class to race

Are we saying here that a Super Truck and a Sprint have the same characteristics as a Grand National because they share a 10.5 carb?

Are we saying here that a Super Truck and a Sprint have the same characteristics as a Grand National because they share a 10.5 carb?i guess mike guess some think they all just are throw down and run up front:thumbsup:

Mike, kinda the opposite... What is being said is that Sportsman has different characteristics due to being the only 8.5 class. Are we saying here that a Super Truck and a Sprint have the same characteristics as a Grand National because they share a 10.5 carb?

you did not get it every class is DIFFERENT there is not one close so you should not wip a racer for wanting to run any class

If a racer can run any class than why can't a GN guy run sportsman too.

you did not get it every class is DIFFERENT there is not one close so you should not wip a racer for wanting to run any class

Exactly... You beat me to the typing. :) If a racer can run any class than why can't a GN guy run sportsman too.

Mike, kinda the opposite... What is being said is that Sportsman has different characteristics due to being the only 8.5 class.
True but other than the carb and velocity stack,and some that run cut shoes Sportsman and GN are identical....so i guess im confused on why it would be a problem for someone to run Sprint (solid rear axle, no fenders) and/or Supertruck (big bulldozer nose) along with Sportsman?

If a racer can run any class than why can't a GN guy run sportsman too.
other than the carb and velocity stack,and some that run cut shoes Sportsman and GN are identical

Why not run GN instead of sportsman, Leave that class for the guy's who are still learning.

True but other than the carb and velocity stack,and some that run cut shoes Sportsman and GN are identical....so i guess im confused on why it would be a problem for someone to run Sprint (solid rear axle, no fenders) and/or Supertruck (big bulldozer nose) along with Sportsman?

Lap times.... Two or three tenths on a 325 to 350 foot runline is a good bit of difference.

Plus, look at the attendance of Sportsmen verses all other classes. It's pretty obvious racers like the separation.


True but other than the carb and velocity stack,and some that run cut shoes Sportsman and GN are identical....so i guess im confused on why it would be a problem for someone to run Sprint (solid rear axle, no fenders) and/or Supertruck (big bulldozer nose) along with Sportsman?

Why was the GN/Sportsman same day race rule put in place?

man yall have fun its not worth my time or effort

If memory serves me correct the rule, that you can not run Grand National and sportsman at the same event was to prevent what some call "sportsman whackers".
I do not see any harm or foul play when a racer wants to run more than one class such as sportsman and sprints or trucks and sprints or any combination of all three classes. If that person can foot the bill and get three cars set up to do good in more than one class then he should be allowed to do so.

Why not run GN instead of sportsman, Leave that class for the guy's who are still learning.
not good enough yet to run GN, still learning setup, still abusing tires with the setups i run. to be competitive in GN and not be a rolling corner dot you must be on top of your game..and i aint its that simple...but i love to race win or lose. so im an idiot and i run 3 classes at home and away!

So it's only sportsmen whacking if GN drivers do it on the same day? If memory serves me correct the rule, that you can not run Grand National and sportsman at the same event was to prevent what some call "sportsman whackers".
I do not see any harm or foul play when a racer wants to run more than one class such as sportsman and sprints or trucks and sprints or any combination of all three classes. If that person can foot the bill and get three cars set up to do good in more than one class then he should be allowed to do so.

So then some of the new racers might as well start out in GN or Sprints.

If memory serves me correct the rule, that you can not run Grand National and sportsman at the same event was to prevent what some call "sportsman whackers".
I do not see any harm or foul play when a racer wants to run more than one class such as sportsman and sprints or trucks and sprints or any combination of all three classes. If that person can foot the bill and get three cars set up to do good in more than one class then he should be allowed to do so.

So it's only sportsmen whacking if GN drivers do it on the same day?
its an apples to oranges thing sprints and trucks are not the same animal as cars...is this a common belief that if you drive something with a 10.5 carb and sportsman that you are cherry picking? To me GN is more of an expert class..but i dont see sportsman as a beginner class either

Mike, you put it in perspective in your own post....why Sportsmen shouldn't be in GN and why GN shouldn't be in Sportsmen.not good enough yet to run GN, still learning setup, still abusing tires with the setups i run. to be competitive in GN and not be a rolling corner dot you must be on top of your game..and i aint its that simple...

So then some of the new racers might as well start out in GN or Sprints.
how did you get that from what Fred posted? But if thats what they want to do that is thier choice!

Or trucks :)So then some of the new racers might as well start out in GN or Sprints.

its an apples to oranges thing sprints and trucks are not the same animal as cars...is this a common belief that if you drive something with a 10.5 carb and sportsman that you are cherry picking? To me GN is more of an expert class..but i dont see sportsman as a beginner class eitherthats right mike there has been a novice class at a few ncs events this year think this should go under the rookie or beginner class at local and national level:thumbsup:

Mike, you put it in perspective in your own post....why Sportsmen shouldn't be in GN and why GN shouldn't be in Sportsmen.
now im really confused cause i thought the problem here was anyone running 10.5 carb cannot also run 8.5

All i am saying is what is a local sportsman racer going to thank when he see's he is going to be racing with guy's that run Sprints or Trucks that are faster classes.


how did you get that from what Fred posted? But if thats what they want to do that is thier choice!

The original complaint was why the locals didn't race the NCS and is Sportsmen whacking the reason. You guys are right about sprints being a different animal so I don't think this class crossing over with any other is not real problem. now im really confused cause i thought the problem here was anyone running 10.5 carb cannot also run 8.5

simply put if you think because you run truck or sprint with a 10.5 carb that you can run GN, i think you are only fooling yourself.

So your telling me that sprint cars with 10.5 carb is easier to drive than a GN car with a 10.5 carb.


simply put if you think because you run truck or sprint with a 10.5 carb that you can run GN, i think you are only fooling yourself.

Mike, it's not about a racer moving up, it's about racers moving down.
At LPR we run GN for several years. Speed was no problem, lack of competitive racing and corner dots as you guys call them were.
simply put if you think because you run truck or sprint with a 10.5 carb that you can run GN, i think you are only fooling yourself.

never said easier my point was they are completley different...Sprint (solid rear axle, no fenders) Supertruck (big bulldozer nose) completely different in setups! you have 2 car classes, then you have truck and sprint

Tim i think most GN guys move down locally cause its no fun running with 2 or 3 cars ,more fun racing in a pack with everyone else.. and i cant blame em. i dont think most move down to cherry pick..beats the alternative, nor racing at all

i have not seen sportsman wacking at any class at any event period i know several GN guys have to run sportsman just to race they dont like it but they get to race thats what its all about 1/4 scale raceing is about respect to each other on the track you show that you will make an impression on the other racers you are with and that will make it better for all the more reason to not ban one from running with the other you impress the more experienced racers thats more reason they will be more willing to help you get up to were you need to be but its nice to be noticed for what you can do and those guys do pay attention to who is doing what

GRAYGHOST where do you race at?

This is about NCS races, does not matter where i race. This is about getting locals to show up for NCS races.




GRAYGHOST where do you race at?

Locally?

A few NCS questions to ponder...

Which class lacks the most participants?
Which class is dominated by racers that come from the class that lacks the most?
Which class over all has the most local racers that don't race the NCS when it is in town?

You're right, you can't blame guy for wanting to race even if it means dropping back. It happens pretty regular wouldn't you agree?
Tim i think most GN guys move down locally cause its no fun running with 2 or 3 cars ,more fun racing in a pack with everyone else.. and i cant blame em. i dont think most move down to cherry pick..beats the alternative, nor racing at all

This is getting a bit out of hand! I can tell you this. The lack of numbers at NCS races in my opinion has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with "cherry picking" in sportsman. If someone is that concerned that a "non GN" driver is going to cherry pick the sportsman feild because they drive a sprint car or truck....then once again....sorry but racing isnt for you buddy. The economy is BY FAR the biggest issue. There isnt a whole lot we can do about that.


As far as changing rules to where guys that run 10.5 cars cant run sportsman? Come on....... the rule has been like that for a long time. There is no need to re-invent the wheel in that aspect. It aint broke, dont fix it. The fact is, some guys start out in sprint cars because they look cool. They may not have near enough talent to compete....but they try. The same goes for trucks. Grand National is simply the TOP class above all. That is why it was the only class to be separated.

I think you guys are looking into that rule and that subject way too much.

Locally?

A few NCS questions to ponder...

Which class lacks the most participants?
Which class is dominated by racers that come from the class that lacks the most?
Which class over all has the most local racers that don't race the NCS when it is in town?

You're right, you can't blame guy for wanting to race even if it means dropping back. It happens pretty regular wouldn't you agree?
Yes GN has been in decline for a couple of years now..QSAC has been working on why and what to do to bring it back!

I don't think it's getting out of hand. Seems to be a decent dialog going.

This is getting a bit out of hand!

Have you looked at the NCS numbers for the last five years? Was it the economy back then too?
The economy is BY FAR the biggest issue. There isnt a whole lot we can do about that.

The numbers have been falling a long time.
As far as changing rules to where guys that run 10.5 cars cant run sportsman? Come on....... the rule has been like that for a long time.
So, you are happy with the GN turn outs?
There is no need to re-invent the wheel in that aspect. It aint broke, dont fix it.
Seems the cream doesn't float?
Grand National is simply the TOP class above all. That is why it was the only class to be separated.
You're probably right. The $700 billion bail out will fix it too:thumbsup:
I think you guys are looking into that rule and that subject way too much

You have your work cut out for you. :)Yes GN has been in decline for a couple of years now..QSAC has been working on why and what to do to bring it back!

This is about NCS races, does not matter where i race. This is about getting locals to show up for NCS races.
im sorry didnt mean anything personal about it,,just strange the way you started the thread like you have an axe to grind against the guy who worked his butt off and won sportsman and sprint! an imprissive job if you ask me and a hell of a nice guy who would and does help anyone who asks!! and even stranger you just joined the forum today with this name anyway.

I don't think it's getting out of hand. Seems to be a decent dialog going.



Have you looked at the NCS numbers for the last five years? Was it the economy back then too?


The numbers have been falling a long time.

So, you are happy with the GN turn outs?

Seems the cream doesn't float?

You're probably right. The $700 billion bail out will fix it too:thumbsup:

Im not going to argue with you Tim. If it is not economy....what is it? IT IS NOT SPRINT CAR DRIVERS OR TRUCK DRIVERS CHERRY PICKING SPORTSMAN! If you cant handle competition RACING IS NOT FOR YOU! It just flat costs too damn much to fly all over the country!