This morning I read on the ROAR site that the 2009 Nats had been awarded, it listed several nats. But no mention of any oval nats or mention of future announcement of addtional Nats.

What is the story? No Nats? TBA later?

probably won't find out til after the 1st of the year.

There will be an anouncement very soon.

Thanks John.:thumbsup:

Gentlemen: The class committee is currently working on class structures for 2009 and beyond. There were no bids for paved oval nationals for 2009 and a few for carpet oval. Past year participation indicates the carpet oval is never more than a basic regional in entry count and other matters must be taken into consideration.

I have had conversations with the current class committee chairperson about potential changes in the committee and per the bylaws, I will be discussing with the Executive Committee further changes and resolutions.

Yes, announcements will be coming and changes are imminent.

thank you so much for your patience and please, give ROAR and the Oval Committee some time to figure out the best direction for the future of oval nationals.

Dawn

Dawn, thank you.

The announcement that was recently made left oval out. Perhaps if it had stated "more announcements to come" there would have been less confusion and questions.

Dawn, thank you.

The announcement that was recently made left oval out. Perhaps if it had stated "more announcements to come" there would have been less confusion and questions.

Well, good point..

Just a stupid question what if no one bids for like the outdoor oval nats. Do you just not have one or talk someone into doing it.

Hopefully ROAR can make some calls and find a track to hold the Paved Nats. in 09'.And hope it is up north this year.

It would be awesome to have someone host it in a parking lot like Boylan does with the Daytona spectacular race. They always have a good turnout. its been done with On-road in the past and it worked awesome there.

If the tracks dont want to support ROAR for the Paved Nats then maybe its time ROAR did it on their own somewhere.

EA

EA... Daytona's race is hosted by Mike Bean and Crew, Boylan just shows up as one of the also rans, LOL!!!

we have hobby world? MTR and stricklands....hmmmmmmmm outdoors on foams and flat oval....80 entries from florida 10 from out of state,lol.

Outdoors is for caps, carpet is for foams.

Outdoors is for caps, carpet is for foams.
One Question. WHY?
If thats the case the the name of the event needs the be changed.
To "The R.O.A.R. Outdoor Bank Oval Paved Nationals"
I have enjoyed running cap tires, But they no longer offer the class that I raced for years at these events. I don't even know if BSR or anyone else even makes cap tires for 1/12 anymore.
I do believe in the hand out tire rule at caps tracks. After spending many $$$$ on tires going to races just to find out that the track was changed from the last time I was there. Just to have to go a buy more tires after I got there.

Big Flat piece of asphalt on foam tires levels the playing. Just like it did in Vegas a few years back. That Nats had more than a 100 enteries.
If they want to use handout tires than go for it.

At a Paved Nats event, how many sets of foams do you think you would use in 4 days of practice and 3 days of racing with practice in between rounds?

4 sets

My point exactly!!! 1 full set and a set of rights for backup. Alot of the reason we run caps is so we don't have to buy tires everyday. My personal opinion.

No problem with opinions

As for "4 days of practice and 3 days of racing with practice in between rounds?" I do have a problem with that though.
The idea is not cost effective. Just way to much time at the track after all this is a National Event. The Best of the Best are there to win the Title of Champion. The driver that adapts to the track the quickest wins. Keep practice to one day. Quals to two days and one day mains.
With the amount of entries in the last couple years the program could go to one day of quals and one day of mains. It's not the cost of racing the keeps drivers away. It's the time and money to get there and back.

Understand that totally. But it helps the out of towners get a handle on the track. The only reason we have that many days is because the track allows use to practice. Some tracks may only be open for the 5 days the event is scheduled for. We have gone to the last 3 Paved Nats, and you don't even want to know what it cost this year!!!!!! But we have a great time every year and will plan to go to everyone we can afford to attend. Just hoping that it is up here in the north this year.

i think a foam tire race for the paved nats would be cool

hmmmm

the foam guys get a carpet nats each year
the cap guys get a nats each year

call it even!

True ! But the foam guys get 3 major events every year, ROAR carpet nats., Snowbirds, Ovalmasters. So I think that 1 cap tire only race a year is fair.

wow even when i am on the cap tires side i get flamed,lol.

Ok, So break it down to three nationals, R.O.A.R Carpet Nats, R.O.A.R. Paved Banked Nats, and The R.O.A.R. Asphalt Nats. Everyone gets a shot at a National on their prefered surface.

I've raced oval all surfaces, Banked/Flat carpet, Banked/Flat asphalt, Banked concrete,along with high banked clay and flat clay.

Who cares?!?!? Let's RACE!

Outdoors is for caps, carpet is for foams.
One Question. WHY? Because that's what the "real racers think" :rolleyes:

Big Flat piece of asphalt on foam tires levels the playing. Just like it did in Vegas a few years back. That Nats had more than a 100 enteries.
If they want to use handout tires than go for it. Over a 100 wasn't that big, but at that time ROAR wasn't in the Western States enough for those West of the Mississippi to care. I'd say that well over half of that 100 was "western'ers, and kudo's to those that came from the right coast all that way!! I assume that was the ROAR "Paved Oval Nats, 1995 @ Westren RC. Sure was a lot of crying from the boys East of the Mississippi over having to run foams. :o That was the race where the thoughts and information were discussed about going to 4 cell racing. After that race NORRCA had a member vote that was well in favor of going to 4 cells. ROAR followed about a year later with no vote. That's also the race that the 5 degree motor was tested by some of the best "factory" racers in the US, Palomdeia won the test race and did it with a stock motor. The others were allowed to change and do anything to the brushes only. The highlight of the race was all the laughing and fun that those drivers had testing the motor. They took it serious, but had a ball doing it. I teched those motors, some came off the track hot enough to boil water. Overall, it was a fun race for all "even on FOAMS!!" I'm sure, and even with the botched up BBQ..:(

When it comes down to it, if your good, know how to set up your car, have any knowledge at all, it shouldn't matter what tires..capped or foam. Just go to the Stupid race and have FUN!!

I hear several things being tossed around to make Oval work better for everyone involved. One possibilty is one Oval Nat each year. One year carpet the next paved. No Race Managment Team, allows the track to discount the entry fees for 2nd class. Lowers cost to host the event making it more desireable to track owners. I believe ROAR is making steps to meet what the oval community want in classes and rules. In the past there has been a division between the two ,that is now getting narrower. These are just some things I am hearing, I am sure there is more out there. But the thing I know for sure is that, if we want to see this thing grow we have to work together.

I feel that all the grumbling ( and I cast no stones ) before the Paved Nats this year really hurt it. WE (racers, promoters, ROAR & track owners) dont need this to happen agian. Who wants to go race in that type of atmosphere.

I have heard of 400 entries for a National Oval Race. I sure would like to see one.

I hear several things being tossed around to make Oval work better for everyone involved. One possibilty is one Oval Nat each year. One year carpet the next paved. No Race Managment Team, allows the track to discount the entry fees for 2nd class. Lowers cost to host the event making it more desireable to track owners. I believe ROAR is making steps to meet what the oval community want in classes and rules. In the past there has been a division between the two ,that is now getting narrower. These are just some things I am hearing, I am sure there is more out there. But the thing I know for sure is that, if we want to see this thing grow we have to work together.

I feel that all the grumbling ( and I cast no stones ) before the Paved Nats this year really hurt it. WE (racers, promoters, ROAR & track owners) dont need this to happen agian. Who wants to go race in that type of atmosphere.

I have heard of 400 entries for a National Oval Race. I sure would like to see one.

If that is coming form the Oval Committe they need FIRED!!!!!!!!!!some of it is fine 1 Nats is bull $&!^...I'm Glad My Membership is Expired!!!!!!!!!!

I have heard of 400 entries for a National Oval Race. I sure would like to see one.


Head to ORLANDO...for the SNOWBIRDS - ;)

The NAT'S JB refers to in Vegas...man was their a bunch of whining at that race...and some really good racing too.

The funniest complaint I remember hearing was the whining about the track being in the middle of a JUNKYARD... nobody complained that it was in the middle of the freakin' NEVADA DESERT...just the Junkyard.

That track and TOWN was a LOT of fun to race and PARTY in - I miss those days...and THAT was my LAST R.O.A.R. National event. (I always thought it was funny that EVERY official, volunteer and person involved with putting THAT race on...was a NORRCA official...Oh and I think Phil Hurd (the THEN R.O.A.R. Pres. spent something like 20 minutes at that race, and seemed to have NO CLUE as to what was going on)

SRMiller and the BBQ I thought was Awesome

...I still say - to HECK with bidding on the R.O.A.R. paved oval nat's - LOCK it in to a certain track for a set number of years...and make THAT the 'OFFICIAL HOST of the R.O.A.R. Paved Oval Nationals' for that set term. ( I know, in fairness to other tracks...that wouldn't be FAIR)

DAWN SANCHEZ, Can you run for a 4 year term as PRES...and have R.O.A.R purchase/lease/rent a WORLD CLASS R/C Facility in Nebraska, Iowa, or even down in the Carolina's..and make that the OFFICIAL SITE of ALL the R.O.A.R. National events... (Works for the I.M.C.A. NATIONALS for Dirt Oval Racing - look up that event in BOONE, IOWA sometime....)

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I have heard of 400 entries for a National Oval Race. I sure would like to see one.

Head to ORLANDO...for the SNOWBIRDS -

I know what you mean about the Birds, But I was speaking of a Oval only race. No doubt that Mike Boylan does a great job of keeping his finger on the pulse of racing. By doing so he always puts on a good show. That is what I was trying to say, we need in ROAR's approach on Oval side of things.

If that is coming form the Oval Committe they need FIRED!!!!!!!!!!some of it is fine 1 Nats is bull $&!^...I'm Glad My Membership is Expired!!!!!!!!!!

Why don't you put together a reasoned argument as to why two is better than just one and present it to everyone?

DAWN SANCHEZ, Can you run for a 4 year term as PRES...


Nope.. cannot. :)

Bylaws clearly state its a 2 year term of which I am running currently for the years of 2009-2010. I ask for the support of the oval community in voting so we may mend a few fences and get back to what we all love first and foremost... RACING!!

Quoted from previous post "DAWN SANCHEZ, Can you run for a 4 year term as PRES...and have R.O.A.R purchase/lease/rent a WORLD CLASS R/C Facility in Nebraska, Iowa, or even down in the Carolina's..and make that the OFFICIAL SITE of ALL the R.O.A.R. National events... (Works for the I.M.C.A. NATIONALS for Dirt Oval Racing - look up that event in BOONE, IOWA sometime....)"

I have been to Boone Speedway, that track knows how to put on a show, even a weekly show is an awesome experience...the IMCA Super Nats is a "must" see.

They are as good at running the 1:1 show as Mike Boylan's Snowbirds & Carolina RC Complex is at running a 1:10 show..... Nuff Said!

Jim

Gentlemen: The class committee is currently working on class structures for 2009 and beyond. There were no bids for paved oval nationals for 2009 and a few for carpet oval. Past year participation indicates the carpet oval is never more than a basic regional in entry count and other matters must be taken into consideration.

I have had conversations with the current class committee chairperson about potential changes in the committee and per the bylaws, I will be discussing with the Executive Committee further changes and resolutions.

Yes, announcements will be coming and changes are imminent.

thank you so much for your patience and please, give ROAR and the Oval Committee some time to figure out the best direction for the future of oval nationals.

Dawn

What do you mean there were no bids for Paved Oval Nats, I know that Trax70 submitted for it.

What do you mean there were no bids for Paved Oval Nats, I know that Trax70 submitted for it.

I am not aware of this bid as you stated and I will check into it...

but, nothing be awarded until we get some kind of communication from the class committee... of this, we are all working as hard as we can.

Dawn sent you a PM.

i'm curious to see what the turnout is at regional oval events west of Ohio? I've been traveling across the US for 8 years and whenever i stop at hotel i pull the phone book out and start calling around to see what hobby shops and tracks are around. If i find on road it's a slim chance it's oval and i've heard a lot of stories from tracks trying to get oval goin and end up with less than 5 people. Not knocking it if there is a lot of interest out west but if 70% - 80% ( I suspect it's prolly more than that) oval racers are on the eastern half of the US; It equals to more travel costs for the average person that actually shows up. How many are showing to the regionals in the western- mid western regions? That should be a good guage. I'm thinkin there is more series races and oval tracks in the east for a reason. At the same time Big attendance at Regionals should be a starting point for creating a local oval base in the western 2/3 of the country.

In Region 10, I'm unaware of any paved Oval events in recent history.

Carpet wise, I know that Rock Springs has a growing following. Additionally there is a lot of carpet oval racing in Colorado, specifically Fort Collins and Denver.

Montana held a 1/18th carpet oval event last year sponsored by Stormer and Tekin that was popular. I believe there is some carpet oval racing in North Dakota, and Eastern South Dakota.

Our club has a paved oval, 100x40, but it has mainly been used for Outlaw Oval and 1/18th oval racing. I have not promoted 1/10th pan car oval until the classes sort themselves out. I'm interested to see if the Oval class committee will put out updated rules and we can then jump on a class then as a starting point.

But yes, for the most part, I think oval racing is mostly popular in the east.

Midwest, Carolina RC complex is up north for us FL boys.

Trac70 is that in Browns Mill NJ?

Midwest, Carolina RC complex is up north for us FL boys.

Trac70 is that in Browns Mill NJ?

Yes, Trax70 is in Browns Mills, NJ used to be MegaTrack, but was rebuilt around 1995/96. http://www.trax70.com/cpg133/thumbnails.php?album=1

There's virtually NO R.O.A.R. "OVAL" out West. Ruben Benitez does do most of the West Coast R.O.A.R. races (in Northern Calif) but that's about it.

Ruben had the CARPET track in STOCKTON for a few years and held some pretty good RUG races (Both On-Road and Oval) and now is doing the R.O.A.R. races at the RIPON Racetrack.

To my knowledge there is NO R.O.A.R. in the rest of Region 12 for OVAL.

Most of the OVAL racing in Ca. is put on by ME in the southern part of the state, along with races at TWO HobbyShop/Tracks. (HotRod Hobbies and Racer's Haven Hobbies)

HotRod Hobbies Was the host of the R.O.A.R. 1/10th Electric OFFROAD Nationals this year. (OffRoad is their main focus, and bread & butter)

Any updates?

Only one and that will be carpet at Greenville RC Speedway in Tennessee.

The oval event in 2009 will be considered level 4 and championship events as no RMT will be present.

The hosts will manage their own events and new required classess as Mike and the oval committee has structured.
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More info in near future. Right now looking at a mid March date. If I understand correctly, required classes are 17.5 lipo, 21.5/ 3200 lipo, 17.5 4 cell.

Yes, the one oval event scheduled as per the class committee selection of the venue is the carpet oval event.





The required classes for oval as per Mike Russell and the class committee members are as follows:

OVAL – Carpet and Paved
17.5 Four cell – any ROAR approved sub-c four cell pack
21.5 Lipo w/3200 mah limit of ROAR approved Lipo (mah limit 2009 only)
17.5 Lipo (any ROAR approved 7.4v Lipo)

What are the dates for the carpet nats. ? Thanks

It looks like March the weekend of March 14-15. I will know more soon.

Sounds good. thanks

Yep. Two weeks before the Daytona Speedway Race and right in the Middle of Baseballs Spring Training.

I can't believe they would have it in the "Middle of Baseballs Spring Training":rolleyes:

Can't wait...for the race that is!

Yea, No just tuff for me to get out that month because of Spring training and a Speedway race. I wish I could be there.