Which is best, the sphere comp, or the sphere tc?

Non Of The Above. Down Here In Florida Where It Gets Hot Every Body Has A Problem With Them Shitting Off.. I Ran One A Few Weeks Ago At A Carpet Race And It Shut Down Almost Every Round.... Until I Pulled It Out And Put In My Tekin Rs And Had Absolutley No Problems....

Non Of The Above. Down Here In Florida Where It Gets Hot Every Body Has A Problem With Them Shitting Off.. I Ran One A Few Weeks Ago At A Carpet Race And It Shut Down Almost Every Round.... Until I Pulled It Out And Put In My Tekin Rs And Had Absolutley No Problems....

So is that the best speedo on the market right now? Will it fit under the shock tower of my CW aggressor?

should i get the rs bl or the rs pro bl?

I have 2 sphere tc speedos, and love them, i dont know if they perform different from novak or tekin but i think they have their problems in check.

Will it fit under the shock tower of my CW aggressor?

If its just the RS BL it will fit, cause its only .45" high.

mr doughboy why in the heck are you giving out false onformation????

i have owned a lrp for 3 years now without any problems..oh and i live and race in florida! so please stop the mis information.

as of today the lrp is the top dog in florida..

billy bruce runs it
both pedanos
myself
rich boehmler
johnny dye
jerry parrott
troy meredith
jeff irish
dave p
rick curtis

the list goes on and on..most of the 10.5 guys in florida must use the lrp...yes there are duds out there but mine has not been an issue for me.

so kat, which one is better. or should i say, which one should i buy? they are both the same price.

the tekin is being tested by the consumer on a day to day basis..constant updates needed and it still isn't there yet.

the novak is dependable and great customer service...

the lrp is the fast esc...some duds and customer service is not up to snuff

if i had to buy one esc it would be the lrp as of today...

a year from now the tekin may be awesome..very small and light...just not as fast as the lrp...yet.......

i hope lrp puts out a Q4 brushless and it's tiny......

I currently own all 3 (Novak, Tekin, LRP).

I would say there is zero performance difference, when geared right.

Your differences are price, size, weight, reliability, quirks and customer service.

Any of the three can and do win.

I've had 3 LRP's in 8 months and not a problem with one of them.

I had a very favorable customer service experience, sent a ESC in for repair, got a call back with ??'s, spoke with an person in the US, got replacement unit in a matter of days. My Comp 7 is running great and several fast racers in the Carolinas are running LRP. I wasn't expecting a Novak level of service, real nice surprise.
Tom

If its just the RS BL it will fit, cause its only .45" high.


yes the Tekin RS pro will fit under the shock tower of a CW.

The Tekin is a great speedo Steve Salvas took down the big win Today in 13.5 NEOT with it.

Katfish take me off the LRP list Tekin RS from here on out

as of today the lrp is the top dog in florida..

billy bruce runs it
both pedanos
myself
rich boehmler
johnny dye
jerry parrott
troy meredith
jeff irish
dave p
rick curtis




Lol Kat and out of the guys listed your the only one on that list not to have one just shut off. Heck the Pedano's sent 7 of them back because they were shutting off and once they get them 7 back there sending 4 more out.

But not to totally flame LRP they are great speedo's and there are alot of them out there running just fine.

Katfish I Agree With You Not All Of Them Are Bad And Not Every One Has Had Problems With Them But In The Last Couple Of Months All I Have Heard From People Is How It Keeps Shutting Off And Actually If You Look Through Some Of The Post On This Website You Will See Where People Have Put Up Post Trying To Figure Out Why They Just Shut Down And How They Can Stop It From Happening... I Have Ran All Three And I By Far Love My Tekin Rs Over Either Of The Others Dont Get Me Wrong The Novak Held Up Great And Is Very Good And There Customer Service Is Second To No One But For Performance And Dependability The Tekin Is Far Superior To There Competition.

Put me on the list of LRP shut-downs.
Currently running Novak

dave what you can't take away is the amount of wins and tq's those bunch of guys have had the last 3 years with lrp...

if/when you get the tekin up to speed i will own one! you can count on that! unless lrp releases a smaller esc before than..heck novak might beat them with a new smaller esc also?

and i could be wrong but going from 4 cells to lipo might fix all there woes?

yes the Tekin RS pro will fit under the shock tower of a CW.

The Tekin is a great speedo Steve Salvas took down the big win Today in 13.5 NEOT with it.

Katfish take me off the LRP list Tekin RS from here on out

Dave its nice to promote products and all but to be Honest: 2 LRP Speedo's were used in 17.5 on the 2 fastest cars by 3 seconds.. Not sure what speedo Tom Hargrave was running it could be a Tekin but he TQ'd 13.5. I will say the Tekins seemed to not have any Issues at all and the software changing is really cool.

I have 2 LRP Sphere Competition speed controls, the "old" version and the 2007 version, never had a problem with either one shutting down ........ go figure.

PLENTY of guys have had problems with them for sure shutting off at all different times and points in a race. I've seen from 6 laps into a 10.5 race to the 3:30 mark. no rhyme or reason.

Like everything else they run awesome when they do what they are supposed too ....... lol.

I like the progress that Tekin has made with their speedo for the oval scene and im sure LRP and Novak have stuff in the works.

cya,

Rich Boehmler

I happen to run a LRP Comp.

JB don't give so much credit to your LRP...your car was STOUT man. As was behler's.

Gotta agree with Simkins, they appear to all be equal in performance when geared correctly, which is really cool, and the first step to allowing any brand motors.

Dave its nice to promote products and all but to be Honest: 2 LRP Speedo's were used in 17.5 on the 2 fastest cars by 3 seconds.. Not sure what speedo Tom Hargrave was running it could be a Tekin but he TQ'd 13.5. I will say the Tekins seemed to not have any Issues at all and the software changing is really cool.

LRP/Tekin ... (correct me if I'm wrong Pully) all Dave meant to say is that the TEKIN RS PRO will not run shy to any ESC out there. Plus, it has proven itself to be extremely reliable so far.

I even put it to the real test: 4-cell + Redline Tekin 3.5 BL ... NO RECEIVER PACK ... 2 runs back-to-back ... blistering speed ... flew like a rocket AND glitch free ... started with 3.3s ended with 3.4s 4.5 minutes later on deadshorted practice packs.

Steve.
team Tekin

i would say i'll buy a tekin when dave wins a race....but i'm affraid we will be using nuclear power and flying jet cars by than! ahahhaahhahaha j/k

i have my eye on a nice lil tekin...just waiting a few more months ...the oval masters will be a very good test for them.

I currently own all 3 (Novak, Tekin, LRP).

I would say there is zero performance difference, when geared right.

Your differences are price, size, weight, reliability, quirks and customer service.

Any of the three can and do win.

YEP!!

...the oval masters will be a very good test for them.

I'm not sure what exactly you're waiting for or expecting exactly?!?

Oval masters a good test for them (Tekin RS Pro) ...?

No need to wait for the Ovalmasters ... plenty of competitive races before then.

Steve.
team Tekin

steve so far only dave has been running the tekin (who is worth a damn) and the results(not his) have been mixed. lots of time spent on the pc with updates(consumer testing) and fast laps in practice...but a 4 minute run he has dropped off a bit? each week out with his esc he has gained more confidence with it...alot of us(lrp owners) are waiting on the tekin to come around down here...

once they hit on the correct update for oval racers and we can all get the correct update(consumer) more guys will jump on the tekin bandwagon...right now 90% of us use lrp's even with the shutoff issues...

when dave 1st got his tekin it was a steamy pile (restrictor plate) looked real real nice but didn't give up the voltage? as an oval racer i don't want smooth...or a real battery saver...or runs cool...or has lot's of profiles....

i want 150% of my packs voltage going to the motor and producing fast lap times...what hurt the tekin in florida is...it wasn't doing that? the past 3 months it has gotten ALOT better......and we only have dave to judge it on........

we would rather run the lrp and know it's fast than take a 200.00 chance on the tekin and "hope" they get the right update asap.

dave has done alot of back to back testing between the lrp and tekin and right up until last month was not 100% satisfied with the esc's performance over a 4 minute run.

i have said this for a year now..i realy would like to see the tekin work out..it's small and my ride needs a diet..but not at the cost of speed.so for now it's lrp


are you sorry you asked now? lol

thanks Kat "boooooom" that is the sound of me being hit by a bus.

but Kat is right I have done a ton of back to back testing. this last time out with the RS I made huge gains.

Now IMO it's right there with the LRPS from here on out the rs will be my speedo of choice.

steve so far only dave has been running the tekin (who is worth a damn) and the results(not his) have been mixed. lots of time spent on the pc with updates(consumer testing) and fast laps in practice...but a 4 minute run he has dropped off a bit? each week out with his esc he has gained more confidence with it...alot of us(lrp owners) are waiting on the tekin to come around down here...

once they hit on the correct update for oval racers and we can all get the correct update(consumer) more guys will jump on the tekin bandwagon...right now 90% of us use lrp's even with the shutoff issues...

when dave 1st got his tekin it was a steamy pile (restrictor plate) looked real real nice but didn't give up the voltage? as an oval racer i don't want smooth...or a real battery saver...or runs cool...or has lot's of profiles....

i want 150% of my packs voltage going to the motor and producing fast lap times...what hurt the tekin in florida is...it wasn't doing that? the past 3 months it has gotten ALOT better......and we only have dave to judge it on........

we would rather run the lrp and know it's fast than take a 200.00 chance on the tekin and "hope" they get the right update asap.

dave has done alot of back to back testing between the lrp and tekin and right up until last month was not 100% satisfied with the esc's performance over a 4 minute run.

i have said this for a year now..i realy would like to see the tekin work out..it's small and my ride needs a diet..but not at the cost of speed.so for now it's lrp


are you sorry you asked now? lol

You can drop the "update" or "software" issues with the RS Pro ... there are no need for update or new software ... period.

Sometime the problem in going back and forth between esc's is that you lose track time in tuning your car or finding proper gear for motor-esc combo.

I've been on the same software (1.80) since I got my RS Pro unit months ago and I've been winning with it everywhere ... 6-cell dirt oval and 4-cell carpet oval. My unit has no special trick or unavailable software it is and has been available for months over the Tekin website.

At Maximus I ran my Novak 13.5 bl motor at full physical timing and esc in "sensored only" mode (no software timing)... my rollout was .20 longer than the fastest LRP competing in that class (Hargrave).

Steve Salvas
team Tekin

steve thats great...but it's you...dave is a joe racer like most of us...i'm cheering him on...and he is trying like heck to sell them down here...

it's not just me who thinks like this...

think about it...we have been open esc for 3 months now..and only dave has switched to something else....

you'll be switching soon

make me a believer and soon! and i better not read on here about update # 196 is the bomb either! steve says updates are done!

lol now now kat you know that there will be updates that is part of the design of the speedo this way you just download a new program instead of having to go out and buy the new xxtc2 007 speedo.

isn't WFO,WFO? Are these magical speedo's?If your you're strapped,please explain any advantage there is between the Cali,Idaho,or Sweede speedo's?

i would say the advantage of the Tekin speedo is weight, size, and adjustablilty. the Tekin has the ability to run in to different modes. sensored only, sensorless, or dual mode which uses the sensors to start the switches to sensorless. the Tekin also has the hotwire which isweet and makes sdjusting things like timing, drag break, current limiting, throttle profile etc.. super easy. no mor counting lights. also as I said in my last post it's updatable.

The LRP is a little different it uses the throttle profiles to adjust the timing. what it does is in the lower profiles the speedo has less mechanical advance timing. that is right the timing advances as the rpms increases from what i have been told.

I don't have much experience with the novak but they run good.

I think the thing that should come out of this thread is that there are 3 different mouse traps out there (tekin LRP novak) and they all use different ways to catch the mouse. lol

just realized that I didn't rreally answer your question

NO WFO isn't WFO.

with the Tekin, WFO in sensored only is a little diff than in dual mode

with the LRP WFO in profile 1 is diff than WFO in profile 8

Question?Can the timing advance in the speedo go past what the mechanical timing is set in the motor with any speedo?

That would depend on the motor. With a Novak motor no.

Question?Can the timing advance in the speedo go past what the mechanical timing is set in the motor with any speedo?

Its not mechanical timing. Its timing built into the profile. If you really want to see the differences in speedo's sit down with a Turbo dyno, three different speedo's and the same motor one day. You'll be amazed! ;)

EA

steve thats great...but it's you...dave is a joe racer like most of us.......

Does that mean that my track performance is not relevant to the equipment I run?

Let's take a step back ...

Frank Ulbrik wins everywhere using a Novak esc
Arnie Fie wins everywhere using a LRP esc
I win my share of races using a Tekin RS Pro esc

...

All Dave have been saying and that's where I chime along, is that the Tekin RS Pro will absolutely not run shy to any esc out there ... where I like the Tekin the most is footprint/adjustability and I know for a fact that no one will beat me on esc performance.

Re: Software updates, I sure do hope there'll be updates coming, that's the core purpose of being able to update the esc in your own pit space using the HotWire. You need to consider new software as fine tuning adjustments, polishing ,,, rather than troubleshooting ... What I'm saying is that current version 180 is absolutely right and whoever isn't interested in the RS Pro and claim they'll wait for future software are in the left field.

Do you think the LRP people and Novak people don't work on new software??? What's nice about the Tekin RS Pro is you don't have to wait to buy the most recent one and/or be afraid of having to send your unit to get updated, it's all there to be downloaded via the team Tekin website.

Steve.
team Tekin

Interesting how much talk about Tekin there is in an LRP thread... ;)

Good to hear we're still setting the benchmark with a product that is 2 years old now. Btw, the software of the TC-Spec or the 2007-Edition were never touched since we sold the very first batch!

As for the shutdowns or failures, I'm kind of surprised as we're generally extremely happy with the failure rates since TC-Spec and 2007-Edition had been released.
Can you further explain what type of shutdown that is?

Reto Koenig
LRP electronic GmbH

Interesting how much talk about Tekin there is in an LRP thread... ;)

Good to hear we're still setting the benchmark with a product that is 2 years old now. Btw, the software of the TC-Spec or the 2007-Edition were never touched since we sold the very first batch!

As for the shutdowns or failures, I'm kind of surprised as we're generally extremely happy with the failure rates since TC-Spec and 2007-Edition had been released.
Can you further explain what type of shutdown that is?

Reto Koenig
LRP electronic GmbH


What about the (2) spheres I sent in for repairs over a month ago. I have called a few times and I get nothing but excuses, thats 300 bucks just floating around!

And for the "shut downs" I have seen guys cars shut down in the middle of a race. I saw it happen to Mike Boylan twice, Turn the switch off then back on and your good to go unless it goes up in smoke which I have seen many times too. I have seen it happen with the TC Spec and the Comp.

kat i know i am no one special but i changed to the tekin over a month ago and loved it and after running it at the fcc race two other racers from MTR went out and got the tekin also so you cant say that dave is the only one that has switched. you also say that here in florida we have been open speedos for three months that is 100% not true only the 10.5 4cell class has been open speedo... all other classes until 2-3 weeks ago was novak lrp only. now that we are allowed to use the tekin i can promise you that you will see more and more of them popping up. kat i know you hate the fact that you were wrong on this one but the bottom line is that the tekin is the best speedo out there right now and will continue to be until another company takes the time to sit down figure out a way to make a better one but i dont see that happening any time soon....

Its not mechanical timing. Its timing built into the profile. If you really want to see the differences in speedo's sit down with a Turbo dyno, three different speedo's and the same motor one day. You'll be amazed! ;)

EA
I'll word differently. So let me get this correct,the given speedo(whoever) in whatever profile,give the motor more timing than is actual set ,physically in the motor itself to give a performance advantage over one another on the track?If that is truely the case ,there would be only one speedo company in the world since they would absolet the rest.

Eric,don't have access to a CE dyno,so what was the outcome?
I've seen the on track deal with (fast guys) with the 2 major players and the other two sensored speedo companys.ZERO DIFFERENCE..

It's a matter of the color of the case,customer service,on track reliablilty,size,etc. oh yeah and what the local fast guy has loaded in his racecar..

Interesting how much talk about Tekin there is in an LRP thread... ;)

Good to hear we're still setting the benchmark with a product that is 2 years old now. Btw, the software of the TC-Spec or the 2007-Edition were never touched since we sold the very first batch!

As for the shutdowns or failures, I'm kind of surprised as we're generally extremely happy with the failure rates since TC-Spec and 2007-Edition had been released.
Can you further explain what type of shutdown that is?

Reto Koenig
LRP electronic GmbH

No offense, but if a product perfomed like yours does in any other industry it'd be recalled and you'd probably be getting sued.

I don't know how you can be extremely happy with a product that many many users take out of the box, hook up per the instructions and then have it start on fire in the first few minutes of use. Get real.

@Dpreston: sorry, I can't help you with your repair questions since Associated handles this in the states and I'm located in Germany! Please get in touch with them directly.

Some questions about these "oval shutdowns":
1. with which motors (type & wind) does this happen?
2. is this all with 4-cells or also higher cell number (e.g. 6 cells or LiPo)?
3. what radios/receivers?
4. using receiver pack or none?
5. same issue when running on asphalt and/or carpet?

Sorry if these sound like silly questions to you but I'm definitely no oval expert and try to understand/think what the problem could be related to that some of you seem to be facing. Because at all the races I attend (TC, OffRoad, 1/12) there are hardly ever any problems with our stuff.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that none of our speedos ever has a problem, that's impossible to have none go bad whatsoever, but we're definitely very far from having a serious issue based on return rates etc.

Let's try to keep this positive, I'm here to listen, understand and help!

Reto
LRP/Germany

I'll word differently. So let me get this correct,the given speedo(whoever) in whatever profile,give the motor more timing than is actual set ,physically in the motor itself to give a performance advantage over one another on the track?If that is truely the case ,there would be only one speedo company in the world since they would absolet the rest.

Eric,don't have access to a CE dyno,so what was the outcome?
I've seen the on track deal with (fast guys) with the 2 major players and the other two sensored speedo companys.ZERO DIFFERENCE..

It's a matter of the color of the case,customer service,on track reliablilty,size,etc. oh yeah and what the local fast guy has loaded in his racecar..

Read Steve's post right after mine. I never said only one speedo did this. They all do it to a degree. Some just do it differently than others and have a different feel on the track. I would say that most oval racers do not feel the difference as they are not on and off the throttle like On-road racers are.

I know I can go from Orange, to blue to black and every single one has a different "feel" on the track. Some are faster than others in difference classes and with different motors as well. But when you run wide open for 90% of the race you probably are not going to feel it.

EA

@Dpreston: sorry, I can't help you with your repair questions since Associated handles this in the states and I'm located in Germany! Please get in touch with them directly.

Some questions about these "oval shutdowns":
1. with which motors (type & wind) does this happen?
2. is this all with 4-cells or also higher cell number (e.g. 6 cells or LiPo)?
3. what radios/receivers?
4. using receiver pack or none?
5. same issue when running on asphalt and/or carpet?

Sorry if these sound like silly questions to you but I'm definitely no oval expert and try to understand/think what the problem could be related to that some of you seem to be facing. Because at all the races I attend (TC, OffRoad, 1/12) there are hardly ever any problems with our stuff.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that none of our speedos ever has a problem, that's impossible to have none go bad whatsoever, but we're definitely very far from having a serious issue based on return rates etc.

Let's try to keep this positive, I'm here to listen, understand and help!

Reto
LRP/Germany


I'm not trying to be negative, but what about the issues with fires. To me this is a very serious problem and while return rate may be low, relative to your expectations, isn't the result serious enough that you'd address it or at least explain what was/is going wrong and what you are doing about it?

Personally I haven't experienced a shutdown, but I have experienced a burnt up car and a burned hand.

Such "meltdowns" are rare but certainly happen to all brands of speedos to some extend.
That you see more LRP's go up in smoke (as some try to say) doesn't come unexpected since it's usually the majority of racers run LRP speedos these days. If there are 25 LRP's and 3 others (ok, I'm exaggerating...) then it's more likely you see a blue one go up in smoke then one of the 3 others.

I don't try to sound funny, definitely such meltdowns are far from funny, serious and are addressed.
Honestly speaking: it's impossible, with todays cells and motors, to make speedos as bulletproof as they were in the 90's when cells were weak and motors brushed! Modern cells (NiMH and LiPo) in combination with brushless are capable of such high currents that a very small problem can become an avalange fairly easy!
Additionally us racers request small speedos which also doesn't make it easier for cooling, protection, etc.
Not trying to find an excuse, be assured that we look at all aspects to make it more bulletproof then it currently is bu!

Also just that noone misunderstands here, I'm not the official LRP spokesman. I work in R&D and try to help since I would like all racers to enjoy the product and improve it wherever possible. Btw, it's after work for me here...

I appreciate the response and agree it does happen to other brands too. Your market share is not stronger than the other brand in the oval world though :). Personally, it just frustrates me the standards of acceptability for quality in the RC world. I think you'd agree if you've worked as an engineer out in the regular industry world that a failure mode resulting in a major fire is basically unthinkable. Personally I just don't understand how chalking that up to "stuff" happens is ok.

After this extent of time on the market you should have traced the problem to a root cause and corrected it.

You obviously are either getting a bad component or you have a problem with how the board is being populated. It's not that hard given the 2+ years you've had to get it under control.

burito i will try and answer your questions.

before i start let me say that these shut down occur on veteran oval racers with top dollar equipment and bateries..not noobies with RTR cars.

1)the shut downs occur 90% of the time coming out of a corner (high load)
2)4 cells only at least in our case
3)it is hot out with a track temp around 140 deg f
4)some use receiver packs some dont
5)novak 10.5 motors in all cars (mostly)
6)there is no ryme or reason as to what time into the race they shut down..i have seen 2 laps to 3 min and 40 seconds into a race (last lap)
7)when the switch is turned back off and than back on the car runs fine again
8)this shut off stuff can go on and on or just start working fine after a few races

every guy who has sent his back has realy never had an explanation as to why?

hope this helps bill


TQ steve you realy do not read my replies

ALOT OF US IN FLORIDA ARE WAITING AND WATCHING DAVE PULL AND HIS ON TRACK PERFORMANCE!!!!!!!!!! NOT YOURS IF/WHEN DAVE STARTS TO SET FLORIDA ON FIRE TEKIN WILL SELL ALOT OF ESC'S HERE IN FLORIDA! SORRY BUT THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE BEAST...WHAT YOU WIN WITH MATTERS NOT TO US HERE IN FLORIDA.....DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AS SOON AS A GUY IN FLORIDA WON WITH A CUSTOM WORKS CAR THEY SOLD 10 CARS IN TWO WEEKS TIME? NOW 80% OF THE FIELD DOWN HERE IS CW CARS!


doughboy i could care less who does what in the other classes..it is all about 10.5 performance..you were laps off the pace with blue and orange and now red...put a lap on preston with a tekin and i'll buy one asap. and when i say open esc's it has been open esc's for the only class i care about 10.5 the other classes are still spec classes..

its a proven fact that the Tekin speedo is WAAAY better then when it was first released. The only guy I see on a regular basis that has been testing/running a tekin is Davepull (dont get all worked up Doughboy) he has done so from when it was orginally released a year or so ago. So if Dave tells me he's finally happy with it then thats good for me.

Steve Salvas I know you and your brother have had a big part in testing and further development of the speedo, kudos to you and everyone else who has helped improve the product especially in the oval scene.

ALOT of people are "waiting and seeing" what would happen with it because when it was originally released it wasnt that great for oval, it needed a push start etc. Now it would appear thru development and software updates it has been fine tuned to the point where it will work well in an oval car. Doughboy and Steve it didnt always work well, thats why some of us have been skeptical I hope you can understand that.

The fact that you can download updates via the website for the speed control is a GREAT thing IMHO, Like Davepull said that way you dont need to buy a new one neccesarily to improve upon what you have already layed down your $$$ for.

Is it the best speed control out there ? ......... jury is out, its all a matter of opinion at this point on who has the best/ fastest speed control. Tekin,LRP and Novak all run well as of late.

Now with that being said, If I were to buy a new speedo tomorrow ........ I REALLY like the download deal and size of the Tekin and it seems it runs good in an oval car now ......... so yeah I'd buy one over an LRP or novak for the reason i just stated not to mention the fact of the LRP shut off problems (which i havent fell victim to yet, but if im buying something new im not taking that chance on getting one).

my .02

Rich Boehmler